Are the Blue Dogs Just a Frat?

by: Matt Stoller

Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 18:31


I've long maintained that the Blue Dog caucus is basically a frat of white Southern men, with 88% of the caucus white and 88% men.  The Blue Dogs themselves argue that the group is dedicated to balanced budgets and PAYGO rules, as the group says on its website:  "The Coalition has been particularly active on fiscal issues, relentlessly pursuing a balanced budget  and then protecting that achievement from politically popular "raids" on the budget."

Which is it?  Well, I'm reading more and more articles like this.

Matt Stoller :: Are the Blue Dogs Just a Frat?
The fiscally conservative "Blue Dog" coalition of Congressmen is ready to support president-elect Barack Obama's deficit-financed stimulus package because of the deep national economic crisis, coalition member 4th District Rep. Mike Ross, D-Prescott., told the Political Animals Club of Northwest Arkansas on Thursday.

"I'm still a stickler for pay-go -- pay as you go -- for new mandated spending for ongoing government programs, but this stimulus package is an emergency," Ross said in an interview after speaking to the breakfast meeting at the Fayetteville Clarion Hotel.

The Blue Dogs used to make exceptions only for hundreds of billions of dollars in national security spending and wars and stuff, so now that they are making an exception for everything else, I think we can officially call their side of the argument on fiscal responsibility officially lost.

Now, I do appreciate the fact that the Blue Dogs have conceded that their stated reason for being is completely irrelevant to anything, but here's a suggestion to the caucus.  If it's ok to spend a trillion dollars as long as it's an emergency, then take that stupid debt clock off your website.  I do appreciate that you have conceded the ideological argument that government has an important role in a progressive society, but as long as you keep that clock on there, people might begin to think you're just a social organization dedicated to furthering the cause of conservative white men and corporate PACs in the Democratic Party.

And we wouldn't want that.


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Just a quickie. (0.00 / 0)
Don't dis frats in general.  A number of us lived in one in college.  My own (ZBT at MIT) was a wonderful place with good and decent men.  While I was there, homosexuality among brothers (but not between them) became accepted.  Don't compare fraternities to annoying social clubs like the Blue Dogs.

Actually, one of the things that got missed in the whole Rush Limbaugh description of Abu Ghraib was that most fraternities do not haze their members these days.  Mine certainly didn't.  It was offensive to me that he even made the comparison.


lolol (4.00 / 3)
i, for one, hope that ridiculing frats always remains a staple hobby of progressives.  

of course i know former frat/sorority folks and they're lovely people, but it really is a hilarious institution that will always be defined by its excesses and its maintenance of a social status quo.  all the "increasing tolerance" of frats tells you is that homosexuality is becoming mainstream, not that frats are becoming tolerant.  


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Stupid (0.00 / 0)
That is a patently absurd comment.  While a lot of fraternities are indeed party houses that have an excess of drugs, alcohol, and dangerous sexual escapades, a lot of them are not and do not deserve the ridicule and prejudice that they receive from many corners of society.  I told of the acceptance of homosexuality at my fraternity, because I felt like, at the time, we were ahead of a lot of people.  What was truly great about it was that there was absolutely no opposition to it whatsoever.  It wasn't like there was any real hate for gay folks there before; it was just that they were all closeted.  When the freshmen in my class came out, the upperclassmen came out a bit later, and everyone seemed to have the attitude of, "Well, what were you really worried about?  We like you no matter what."

The majority of the American students in my fraternity were Democrats.  There were Republicans, too, but they kind of stuck out politically.  (We loved them anyway.)  We did community service.  We were not a negative force on campus.  Indeed, at the time 1/3 of all MIT men lived in a fraternity, and the school is dependent on the fraternities, sororities, and independent living groups to house the population.  We were not there to support the status quo.


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Frat boys are funny when they get defensive. (0.00 / 0)
"We did community service!" is the frat boy defense equivalent of the beauty queen's "It's all about the scholarships!"

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You are a boar. (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, I get defensive about my fraternity.  These guys were my friends.  They were a very diverse set of people from all over the world.  We had men from five continents while I lived there.  We had wealthy and poor.  (Indeed, one of the things that made fraternities attractive at MIT was that they were generally cheaper than the dormitories.)  We had legacy students and first generation college students.  This was not some good-ol'-boys social club.

We lived together as a democratic community.  We had a constitution and managed our budget.  We elected officers and had duties.  We had responsibility to each other to maintain our house and to help each other academically.  It was a truly good thing.

So, yes, I get defensive about people attacking fraternities.  They don't understand them, usually.  In my mind, it's just ignorant prejudice.  In fact, in many ways, we were an ideal of progressivism.  If we weren't called a "fraternity," and you heard the description of what we were and what we did, you would think we were a hippy commune.


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Rural Caucus (4.00 / 3)
It's more like a super-sized rural caucus. The Blue Dogs almost never take a position as a coalition, and generally can only muster 25-30 votes as a bloc on any given issue.

It seems to act like a unusually well-organized state delegation. That would be helpful to members from small rural states, because they'll have easy access to someone on almost every committee despite being personally limited to two or three committees.  

It is trending away from its Southern roots. When the Blue Dog Coalition formed in 1995, it was 75% Southern. Now its 40% Southern (Which is probably why there was an attempt to cap membership last term).


Even if members of the caucus (4.00 / 1)
are now coming from areas outside the South, it is still very much a culturally Southern caucus. I think Digby has done more than anyone to pull apart exactly what that means.

For one thing, it's not just reflexive authoritarianism, but also a cult of victimization. You can see this is the very name they chose for themselves, "Blue" because they were "choked blue." Always the victims, never responsible for anything.

Montani semper liberi


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Harold Ford Jr. was part of this coalition (0.00 / 1)
In his case, he just wanted to pretend he was white and hated blacks so why not join this coalition.

These people don't really care about fiscal conservatism.


Uh (4.00 / 3)
that strikes me as a fairly hateful comment. I don't know anything about Ford but I do attend a small college in the South and know plenty of black people who fit into majority white male fraternities and their cultural and social mores without 'hating' black people. Please don't make racial assumptions like that, it makes progressives and liberals in general look bad on the identity politics front and is just ignorant(unless you have some specific evidence for this, in which case disregard my comment except as a general rule).  

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Maybe we should just (0.00 / 0)
start calling them the Beta Deltas.

Montani semper liberi

Couldn't the same thing be said of Open Left? (4.00 / 1)
Am I completely missing something here, or are over 88% of the posts here written by men? There are plenty of rationales for this, but, in the name of consistency, this (persistent) line of argument strikes me as really odd. I'm befuddled.

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