A Center-Right Nation? Not What You Think!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Dec 07, 2008 at 16:46


In my previous diary, "Nate Silver Redux", I wrote about a "Composite Index" of the long-term national spending items on the General Social Survey underlying Obama's "progressive" policies as identified by Nate Silver:

The Composite Index

If we combine all of the above questions that were asked of the same people (split samples were used, so we can't include all the tables), we have seven spending items we can combine with a distribution of support that looks like this:

Spending Composite Index--Seven Items
Spending?Progress- ivesCenter- LeftCenterCenter- RightConserv- ative
1: "Too Little"87.383.971.869.250.0
2: "About Right"8.79.015.516.615.2
3: "Too Much"4.07.412.414.034.8
4: Lib Index95.691.985.283.159.0
5: #1 + #296.093.087.385.865.2
Change in #4--3.66.72.124.2
Change in #5--3.05.71.520.6

What we see first in this table is a relatively slow gradation from progressive to center-right, followed by a sharp drop off among conservatives.  The liberalism index only declines 12.5 points from progressive to center-right, but then plunges 24.1-almost twice as much-from center-right to conservative. The drop-off in total support (#1 +#2) is smaller, but the ratio is greater: a 10.2 point drop from progressive to center-right, followed by a 20.6 point drop (more than twice as much) from center-right to conservative.  By both measures, conservatives are outliers.

But there's an interesting additional twist to this story....

Paul Rosenberg :: A Center-Right Nation? Not What You Think!
As it turns out, the attitudes of all people across the spectrum combined together turn out to be incredibly close to those of the center-right, which could be used to justify calling us a "center-right" nation:

Spending Composite Index--Seven Items
Spending?Progress- ivesCenter- LeftCenterCenter- RightConserv- ativeALL
1: "Too Little"87.383.971.869.250.069.4
2: "About Right"8.79.015.516.615.214.0
3: "Too Much"4.07.412.414.034.816.6
4: Lib Index95.691.985.283.159.080.7
5: #1 + #296.093.087.385.865.283.4
Change in #4--3.66.72.124.2--
Change in #5--3.05.71.520.6--

There are just two problems with this, however.

First is the reason why this result comes about: because there's not that big of a difference between center-right and center-left--or even progressive, for that matter, compared to the difference between center-right and conservative.  Center-right is actually part of a broad consensus from progressive to center-right, while conservatives alone are the outliers.

Second is the fact that even conservatives as a whole take an objectively liberal position--saying that there's not enough spending on these issue areas, whereas movement/Versailles conservatives would say that it's a bad thing to be spending anything at all.

Thus, even when we find some evidence that could support the "center-right nation" meme, it turns out that the meaning of saying that is far different, if not outright contradictory to what the Versailles talking heads mean by it.  


Tags: , , , , , , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email
I think democrats should embrace the center right rhetoric (4.00 / 1)
Because if they claim that they are the center right then the only moderate and bipartisan moves they can make are to the left.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....

Good Point! (4.00 / 3)
Only problem is, I've been waiting for that sort of compromise from Diane Feinstein for 16 years now, and I'm, like still waiting, man.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
If they claim they're center-right (0.00 / 0)
the pundits will demand they "reach across the aisle" to the wingnuts, just as they were so quick to proclaim (ad nauseam) that we're a center-right nation.


[ Parent ]
You've answered a question (4.00 / 1)
I had after reading the previous posts - how do you differentiate between self-identified conservatives who actually have center-left leaning from movement conservatives?

My experience is that there are far more self-identified conservatives who are actually pretty close to me a self-identified progressive.

It really comes down to how we talk about it in generalities. Conservatives assume that the welfare roles are composed of Cadillac Welfare Queens while progressives make no such assumption but see those who need help.

It's the difference between the looking at a homeless person and assuming they are lazy and looking at them and wondering what their story is.


This Is Generally True, But (4.00 / 2)
it's strange.  While I agree in general, particular in terms of reflexive first takes:

It's the difference between the looking at a homeless person and assuming they are lazy and looking at them and wondering what their story is.

at the same time, this difference seems to shrink considerably when people are presented with questions in a serious setting.

In particular, there was a special question module included with the GSS back in 1986, taking a deeper look at attitudes toward welfare.  People were given a set of descriptions of the recipients in question--married, unmarried, different number of kids of different ages, etc.  And they were asked to say how much money they thought was fair for people to get.

Well, the levels people set were remarkably high, two and three times what people were actually receiving, in many cases.  But even those who were not so generous were in sharp contrast to the questions asked in the format of the long-term GSS questions asked here.  Instead of a substantial tilt toward spending less money, fully 98% of those responding said that recipients should get amounts that were at least equal to the amounts they received under current law at the time.  Which means that, even if there was a substntial difference between liberals and conservatives, it was all within a relatively liberal range.

Something worth keeping in mind, IMHO.  It shows that there's a real potential out there for finding common ground that is not a heartless sell-out.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Exactly. (4.00 / 3)
It provides a basis for me to still get excited when I re-listen to Obama's speech in Denver.

We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. This too is part of America's promise - the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.

The far right is still not going to buy it and we can still argue over parts of it but taking this tact is how we start. It's certainly far superior to the "my way or the highway" of the last 8 years.


[ Parent ]
USER MENU

Open Left Campaigns

SEARCH

   

Advanced Search

QUICK HITS
STATE BLOGS
Powered by: SoapBlox