Creating Space for Disagreement

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 23:00


In terms of the long-running meta argument about whether there is too much or too little criticism of Barack Obama in the netroots, two quotes from the Obama transition today are relevant. First, incoming Press Secretary David Gibbs when asked about disagreement:

But isn't it inherent in what President-elect Obama has done with his Cabinet - selecting so many strong personalities in his "Team of Rivals," including four former primary opponents - that one will maybe occasionally wander off the reservation?

"I think the far greater risk is assembling a group of people that whenever the president opens their mouth they all nod their heads in agreement," Gibbs said. The president-elect "wants and expects there to be disagreement within that room."

Second, Internet director Macon Phillips:

Twenty thousand people participated in the first user-generated press conference, which allowed the public to write and rank questions. The bailout, civil liberties and marijuana legalization were popular topics. The transition team's Internet director, Macon Phillips, said the queries "weren't only ones you'd expect from supporters, which is a good thing." Phillips did Internet outreach for the campaign, but he stressed that the objectives have shifted. "In the campaign we were organizing people. Now it's more conversational, trying to listen and engage people that weren't engaged in the campaign."

Over the past few months, Obama staff and supporters have sometimes taken on a totalitarian tone in response to Democratic and progressive criticism of Obama. You are probably familiar with the tunes in this pitch:

  1. Those who criticize Obama will be responsible for his defeat, and thus need to be silenced / separated from his true supporters. (This is actually my favorite example of Obama supporters adopting totalitarian language.)
  2. Shut up, because Obama is smarter than you (a very common meme)
  3. Shut up and clap louder. (This one seemed to grow in popularity during December)
  4. Or, just shut up to anyone who criticizes us at all, mostly famously from Obama advisors Hildebrand and Plouffe.

This tone is impossible to miss if you have lived online over the past year. However, through it all, the Obama campaign has both maintained a clear, public stance in favor of intra-party disagreement and, even more importantly, continued to create spaces (MyBO, Change.gov) that allowed for such disagreement (although the circumvention of Joe Anthony is a real exception). This has long been one of the fundamental tensions within the broader Obama movement, as an often top-down campaign met up with the largest grassroots activist outpouring in this country for about three decades. This tension is never going to disappear, as there will always be internal progressive and Democratic criticism of Obama, just as there will always be those Obama supporters who lash out against any such criticism for it's very existence. The important thing is that the spaces that allow for communication of disagreement remain intact. So far, that is something the Obama transition has definitely accomplished and, as the above quotes show, even openly sought out and encouraged. That is something they need to be congratulated and thanked for, and a reason to be positive heading into next year.

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FYI (0.00 / 0)
"David" Gibbs should be "Robert" Gibbs.

We are in a lull (0.00 / 0)
filled mostly by speculation.

In the next three months there will be significant legislation in Congress on the stimulus package, taxes and health care.  For the most part these will be issues that will be supported by progressives - and fought like hell by the GOP in the Senate.  The bailout bill was just the start - the GOP will seek to define itself in the debates over these bills.

When this happens we will look back on this time and see it for what it was.

I remain very concerned about Obama's direction on Iraq, though.  


Dunno about that formulation (4.00 / 4)
In the next three months there will be significant legislation in Congress on the stimulus package, taxes and health care.  For the most part these will be issues that will be supported by progressives

We want action on those issues but it definitely remains to be seen whether the actual legislation itself is progressive. For example, a stimulus package heavy on roads and weak on mass transit may cause progressive pushback. A tax package that doesn't take action on increasing upper income brackets isn't going to get progressives excited. And health care may be the fault line that sees progressives split openly from Obama and the Congress, especially if mandated purchase of insurance is involved.

I wouldn't assume that this is going to be Obama+progressives versus the Senate GOP. Progressives don't want issues to be taken up, we want progressive results. This isn't 1993 and I hope we aren't going to be fooled again.

We are in a lull, but it's not speculative - everyone is reading the tea leaves and if anything overanalyzing every statement made from the Obama team. I think once the new Congress is sworn in things become easier because we'll have stuff to rally around - either for or against.


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I don't follow you (4.00 / 1)
"health care may be the fault line that sees progressives split openly from Obama and the Congress, especially if mandated purchase of insurance is involved."

Do you mean that Obama/Congressional Dems will support mandates, and progressives will split with the party over it? Because usually health care plans that include mandates are regarded more favorably by progressives (e.g., Hillary's health care plan in the primaries was lauded as the more progressive of the two). Or is it the other way around? In which case, I'd be surprised if the left gets exercised over it.


[ Parent ]
as long as the web exists (0.00 / 0)
dissent will occur.  the media will only do what is popular and profitable.  

I think a lot of the debates are inflamed because it's speculation (4.00 / 2)
Both sides say "you don't know how he's actually going to govern when he gets into office". Both sides say "you're being unreasonable if you honestly believe that's what will happen".

I'm glad there's room for disagreement. I just hope that going forward, it will be less speculation, and more rooted in actual policy. Unfortunately, speculation is the best we can do at this point.


"Shut up, because Obama is smarter than you" is selective and unfair framing (4.00 / 4)
I appreciate Chris's tone, but I'm not sure this example is reflective of a meme.  Sure, there is an "Obama knows best" phenomenon, but after a year-plus of political campaigning, this shouldn't be surprising.  A good deal of Obama supporters will defer to him on political decisions.   That they are prepared to do so is not a sign of "totalitarianism" so much as a common deference to a political leader who has, so far, earned their trust.  A healthy skepticism is needed, but a little bit of honeymoon glow does not totalitarian language make.

The problem is that (4.00 / 1)
so many of his supporters defer to Obama on everything.

There appears to be nothing he might realistically do, no matter how cynical and manipulative, that they won't excuse as doing what is politically necessary.

To all appearances, there are no lines in the sand that they have drawn where their avid of support of Obama might end. Not FISA, not a firm commitment to getting out of Iraq quickly, not selecting a progressive set of advisers, not Rick Warren -- not, apparently, anything.

Once upon a time most of these same supporters could not be louder in their denunciations of Democrats who refused to stand up for principle. Now they couldn't be more solid in their support of Obama when he makes the exact same kind of compromises.

Why do they even call themselves progressives, I wonder? What firm principles do they even hold?  


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Tonal difference (0.00 / 0)
I take your point, and in large part I agree. They've done very well in getting things accomplished, and to the extent that this continues, they'll continue building trust.

However, there's a difference between supporters and surrogate promoting the growth of that trust and actively attempting to suppress dissent.

There's a fair amount of both that goes on, and some of the latter is in along the lines of, "STFU what do you know?"

Anyway, it's all good really. Politics are a lot like sports. Fanboys abound. I've been one!

Me | My Work | Future Majority


[ Parent ]
Progressives Better Stay Warm (4.00 / 5)
Having read Obama's books, and virtually observed his every move on the campaign trail for the past 2 years, my sense is that Obama listens and is particularly moved by intelligent, persuasive arguments (fancy that). Moreover, he knows how politics is played.

Accordingly, it would be absolutely idiotic for progressives to stay quiet. To the contrary, progressives need to speak, and speak as persuasively as possible about their wishes, and that includes cabinet appointment preferences. Silence will get you nothing.

Considering the fact that epic/monumental/historical decisions are going to be made in the next 100-200 days by the Obama administration and Congress, progressives better stay warm, keep the muscles moving, because the big one, the big game, is just around the corner. And progressives better bring their A game, because our opponents surely will.

As far as attributing ostensibly "totalitarian" comments made by citizen supporters of Obama to Obama himself and/or his inner political circle, I don't believe that conflation is fair. You are talking about two different groups.  

With respect to the Obama campaign itself, the Plouffe comment you link to is a perfectly reasonable "don't worry, we are going to win this thing" comment he made during the campaign.  By contrast, portions of the Hildebrand HuffPo posting can best be described as a misstep on the part of the Obama campaign. That was a "net mistake" on their part.

Bottom line for progressives:  get in the game, engage, persuade, organize like crazy, and never believe it's over.  


translation difficulties (4.00 / 2)
Chris (and others),

"I disagree with your take on Obama" does not translate to "Shut up" in any language.

Good advice, Demo37.


Dimes (4.00 / 1)
If we all had a dime for everytime this has been said on this website, the recession would be over.

I've lost count how many times this same tired notion that everyone is telling critics to "Shut up" has been presented here.  It's been written in countless ways with different words, but it generally follows a post where someone had the temerity to disagree with them.  It's an easy out.  Rather than debate or explain their position, they can change the topic in accusing others of telling them to "Shut up".  

   


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While you attribute to Obama an (0.00 / 0)
interest in dissent and "open" discussion, you give no real examples where that is demonstrably sincere, rather than quite possibly window dressing. Certainly the MyBO and change.gov sites are effectively censored by either the campaign or supporters as perceived need arises.

Someone who is not a dyed in the wool Obama supporter might readily take these sites as still another deceptive method to foster the illusion of openness when, in fact, no real criticism is countenanced.

Really, a politician in a democracy has to pretend to want open discussion, and needs to point to something that would seem to confirm his desire for it, right? So why not put up structures that seem to support it, while carefully suppressing any genuine criticism?

Honestly, I continue to be amazed at the ongoing ingenuousness of so many "progressives" when it comes even to the possibility of manipulation by the Obama campaign.

When will you ever learn?


Cocksure (4.00 / 1)
It's unfortunate that many of the individuals offering their daily dose of insights are so cocksure of what is going to happen in the next four years.  Barack Obama makes a political appointment, and quickly there's a formal annunciation from those out of the loop of what this will mean in terms of policy, agenda, political ramifications, and how it will affect a down ballot race in Bismark, North Dakota.

Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of speculation. However, what is tragic is that some individuals are so invested in their point of view that they have allowed their speculation to become all too personal and they have lost sight that they are no longer offering mere speculation, rather they are making declarations in stone.


Nice Article... (4.00 / 1)
I just want to point out one thing... Sometimes its NOT the criticism, but the nastiness and anger the criticism is said with that bugs some of us.    The type of response that comes off as insulting to someone holding that belief.   THe response thats more emotion than reason thus creating an emotional reaction.



Another take on the conclusion (4.00 / 1)
The important thing is that the spaces that allow for communication of disagreement remain intact. So far, that is something the Obama transition has definitely accomplished and, as the above quotes show, even openly sought out and encouraged. That is something they need to be congratulated and thanked for, and a reason to be positive heading into next year.

Here's a "glass half empty" version of that conclusion:

The "spaces that allow for communication of disagreement" exist to facilitate the quashing of that disagreement before it grows to unmanageable levels.

I mean, come on, the campaign dealt with the FISA controversy like a Sherman tank going through a brick wall.

What they're doing now is getting rid of the dissent brick by brick before anyone can even build a wall. They're even getting people to bring the bricks to them for destruction instead of having to search them out.

Those that snipe from the blogosphere will be labeled, marginalized, and ostracized accordingly.

Now, I'm just presenting this alternative viewpoint as a Devil's advocate. It would be nice to know just how it's going to work out, to the satisfaction of half full philosophers or to the lament of half empty philosophers.

My guess is it will be somewhere inbetween half full and half empty...







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