Clinton Gets Machinists Endorsement

by: Matt Stoller

Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 11:23


It must suck to be John Edwards.

The Machinists' decision to endorse Sen. Hillary Clinton -- and Gov. Mile Huckabee of Arkansas -- comes as a surprise to advisers for Sen. John Edwards, some of whom were confident as of last night that the Machinists were on the verge of endorsing them.

"We began this process with invitation to five Democratic candidates and five Republican candidates to come participate in a conversation with candidates. Some of the candidates declined," an IAMAW official said. "They were in depth conversations, held before 700 IAM leaders from around the United States. We conducted a survey of our membership. We also conducted polling of the folks at the site and so we had a pretty extensive outreach program to try to ascertain what our folks wanted to do. And Sen. Clinton received the most support."

** A labor political official not affiliated with the Machinists told me, "They want a winner! And a frontrunner with HRC's pedigree has no downside. Sure Edwards is great on labor but she looks more like a winner."

Now don't get me wrong, as Tom Buffenbarger, the President of the Machinists International, has an awesome name.  But this is why labor can't get traction.  It doesn't matter to their leaders that Clinton employs a union-buster as her chief strategist, they want a winner.

If you make your endorsement premised on who is most likely to win instead of your principles and/or interests, then you have no principles and/or interests except backing winning candidates.  Candidates know this, which is why Hillary Clinton thinks nothing of having a union-buster as her chief strategist.  And in the White House, she's going to know that she need fear nothing from the Machinists, because all they want is to be with a winner, and who's more of a winner than the President?

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Difference? (4.00 / 2)
What's the difference between their reaction and that of the netroots with regard to candidates? I know one has endorsed, and many bloggers have not, but I keep coming back to David Mixner's question over at mydd.com- if bloggers believe these things that they say they believe, then why aren't these issues being discussed in the context of who you support and why, even if it's partial support?

I think this is a fair question... (0.00 / 0)
I'm an Obama supporter, but there are so many people on the left who I know that don't support Hillary and keep saying they're waiting to get behind a candidate.

Waiting for what? To get behind Edwards only if it seems he has a chance?

To get behind Obama only if Edwards is clearly out of the running?

I don't get it, except that I suppose neither Edwards or Obama is making them passionate enough to get involved.

But, if they don't, then must we all suffer a Clinton nomination simply because some amorphous dream candidate of their's just doesn't exist?

What's the Point?


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assumption (0.00 / 0)
Why does it matter if I 'support' Obama or Edwards?  How does that change the landscape any more than if I just offer criticism of Clinton?  Also, how am I supposed to back Edwards or Obama when they both want to leave troops in Iraq, just as Clinton does?

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Agreed... (0.00 / 0)
You certainly don't have to support anyone, but at some point it just seems that if many of us really want someone other than Clinton, we need to rally around someone...

Of all the candidates, Dennis Kucinich is putting out the message that most progressives I know are probably more comfortable with. None of the other candidates can withstand any of the traditional litmus tests.

So if not Edwards and Obama, then who?

Dodd? Richarson? Biden? Hard to picture a scenario in which one of those candidates actually gets some real traction.

So I think, realistically, we really only have three choices. (As an Obama partisan, I'd make the case that we really only have two. Don't see Edwards really having a shot.)

Most of my more "liberal" progressive friends say that they'd prefer Obama to Clinton.

I'm having difficulty imagining this "hands-off" position changing any time soon. Either Edwards or Obama are going to have to convince the fence-sitters that it's time to get off the fence. Otherwise, it'll be Hillary's DNC convention.



What's the Point?


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Because it's the logical next step (4.00 / 3)
First, I am not simply talking about Matt Stoller's next step. I am making a general coment about the caution that pervades many of the major blogs these days. In that, I guess I am a Big Tent Democrat acolyte. 

I question whether we will hold our party accountable?

Second,  having said that, you spend a great deal of time coming close to the finish line, but then you never cross the line. For example, here you complain of the union's choice (which I agree is a bad one) but then you never really cross the finish line of saying what are the logical next steps one should conclude as a progressive about which candidate choices are really available to us.

The obligation argument by you is a strawman. No one is obligated to do anything. You weren't obligated to write about whom the union supported. Yet, you choose to do so. I agree with your choice. Now, what is the logical extension? You are not obligated. But it certainly would be courageous to see the major blogs go fully in support of a candidate or fully eliminate candidate/s. Etc.

Right now, it feels like you are chipping at the edges of a mountain. It may knock that mountain down in a few million years or so, but really you don't have that kind of time.

As the other poster explains, if you keep saying you are against x,y and z about candidate 1, and your universe is limited to candidates 1,2 and 3. At the very least, if you are going to argue about someone taking a stand, even if its a sucky choice they, the least you can do is the logical conclusion with your power as an A blogger and the bullypulpit.


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Maybe I'm wrong (0.00 / 0)
but it seems to me that the 2004 primary pretty much alltogether proved the declining influence of major labor unions. Four years ago, Dean had two of the biggest unions in the country (SEIU and AFSCME) and his campaign collapsed. Was this the fault of the unions? Of course not. Dean's problems, scream or no scream, can from within his own campaign and the way they operated it.

I think unions do matter at the state and local level where politics is somewhat un-exciting. Whenever I have worked on state races in CT, it seems like union members are the only volunteers (besides old folks and Dem. town committee members) who actually pitch in to help out on a state rep or state senate campaign. Presidential elections are so much different - they have money, they have volunteers, they have excitement. Feel free to disagree with me.


If they wanted a winner... (0.00 / 0)
... they have gone with Obama.

What's the Point?

That is your opinion (0.00 / 0)
and while we're entitled to our own opinions, we're not entitled to our own facts.  He's not won anything yet.  And don't forget all the labor endorsements Howard got that didn't count for very much in the end.  Labor support doesn't really mean much until you get to the general election.

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This wasn't meant as a slam... (0.00 / 0)
... on Edwards. More on my belief that Hillary is just not the best candidate for the nomination.

And yes, it is indeed my opinion (propped up by some self-serving polling, too) that Obama is the best candidate to win the Presidency with enough of a significant margin to bring some "real change" to the country.

What's the Point?


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Didn't you get my memo last night, Matt? (4.00 / 5)
Here's my diary:

http://www.openleft....

Had 3 comments.  But somehow, it didn't make it to the diary list.  **shrugs**

I don't consider the Machinist endorsement of Clinton "sucky" to Edwards.  They endorsed Huckabee too, which means the two cancel each other out in this case.


Of course, Edwards did (4.00 / 3)
get the Carpenters Union and Steelworkers.

Look, it's clear Matt has issues with John Edwards.  My god, he accused him of being "a little racist" in his approach to poverty. 

It is hard for me to take his comments regarding the presidential race seriously.  He apperars to have a blind spot.

I think his work on Bush Dogs is good and support that effort. 


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Matt has issues with (0.00 / 0)
everyone. That's the tremendous value of Matt.

I disagree with him fairly regularly, but you can't say he plays favorites. He doesn't coddle anyone, far as I've seen, in the years I've read him. He can be hypersensitive and over-harsh and obsessive; if only we had a hundred more like him, we'd have a Permanent Progressive Majority.


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calling (4.00 / 1)
somone racist is more than a little disagreement. If he wants to say Edwards isn't the best choice, that's fine. But the formulation I've been seeing on both Clinton and Obama is that if you say you don't think they are the best choice, some will say that equals sexism or racism. I had someone call me racist for saying I don't support Obama, and I am black. that's when I began to realize just how entrenched identity politics is in the democratic race right now. If someone is perceived of as saying "i am a better leader" peo assume this means racism. i mean the guy is from the South- when he says he will do better down south- heaven forbit it's because he is actually from the region.

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The Unions Are Generally As Clueless As The Dems (4.00 / 1)
They (the entire AFL-CIO, in fact) endorsed Mondale early in 1984, following the same logic.  And Mondale was actually pretty good for labor, unlike Clinton.  But they got equally taken for granted, despite the fact that their support was one of the factors that prevented Hart from making a successful challenge run.

When it came to the general election, instead of a strong pro-labor, economic populist agenda--which would have been relatively consistent with his political history--Mondale ran on raising taxes and balancing the budget, i.e. fixing Reagan's "mistakes" within the framework that Reagan had defined.  The unions had zero say in defining the terms of battle in the election.  A brilliant exercise in self-marginalization.  Mondale, of course, lost 49 states.  If people were going to vote for fantasy, they were going to vote for fantasy.

Fortunately, the unions are not uniformly this dumb, not by a long shot.  The Teamsters have a very smart organizing campaign right now targetting port truck drivers, with LA/Long Beach as one of their chief targets, and they've helped pull together an impressive local coalition of groups which they are not trying to micro-manage and control, and which is doing great work educating the public in a comprehensive cross-issue framework encompassing labor rights, environmental justice, health care, and economic development.

The problem is, there is just no consistency.  Just like the Dems.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Tom Buffenbarger (0.00 / 0)
Buffenbarger represents the worst of Old Labor thinking. For a still-relevant mini-profile of him within a larger profile on Andy Stern before the AFL-CIO split, look here.

The Machinists are sealing their own fate (4.00 / 1)
in terms of political relevance by their strategy of split endorsements.  For a union to endorse any Republican is frankly quite mind-boggling; for a Democrat to share that endorsement is embarrassing.

The Clinton campaign has put a brave face on this, what else can they do.


Principles & Endorsements (4.00 / 2)
Let me just say that the International Association of Fire Fighters has endorsed Chris Dodd for President precisely because he stands for the principles they want to see America's next President stand for.

IAFF President Harold Schaitberger explained why his union voted unanimously to endorse Chris Dodd on www.FireFightersForDodd.com. He writes:

we did the background work and looked at the candidates' records on fire fighter and working family issues. We saw which issues they have a history not just of supporting, but where they led the fight to change things for the better, and where they would in the future. And we examined the strengths each candidate would bring in a general election.

We listened to the candidates' words, hosted forums and printed them in our magazine.

We talked with our leaders and members across the country... and after all of that work, your IAFF Executive Board took that information, got together and found that one candidate out of all those running in both parties really stood head and shoulders above the rest when it came to support for fire fighters, for protecting our country and on issues that are important to our economy, our families and their quality of life.

That candidate is U.S. Senator Chris Dodd, and that's why your IAFF Executive Board voted unanimously today to endorse Senator Dodd for President of the United States.

Here's the video of the endorsement:

Disclosure: I proudly work for Chris Dodd's presidential campaign and I'm excited to be working for the choice of America's professional fire fighters.


Off Topic (0.00 / 0)
Matt, sorry to go off topic, but wasn't sure the best way to reach out to you.  Thanks for visiting Central Sanity earlier.  I've responded to your comment/question, here: http://centralsanity...

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