What I Want In A Presidential Candidate

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 14:47


Since I often engage in criticism of Democratic Presidential candidates, but less frequently praise them, I thought it would be useful to spend some time to explain what I am looking for in a Presidential candidate before making an endorsement in the primary season. Here are the broad principles:
  1. A Progressive Core. Beyond any specific policy proposals made on the campaign trail, I am looking for a candidate who I believe will take a progressive approach to issues and legislative scenarios that have yet to arise. In other words, I am looking for a candidate who, at his or her core, is reflexively and instinctually progressive. Is someone's first reaction typically a progressive one, or does a candidate typically have to be cojoled and pressured before taking a progressive direction?

    Admittedly, this is a nebulous realm of candidate analysis. At different times, I have engaged in different means of determining it. Does a candidate refer to himself or herself as a progressive? To what extent does a candidate's background and formative years foreshadow their future actions? Who is willing to stand with the movement in the face of right-wing smears and engage the bar fight primary? Different candidates excel at different aspects of these methods of determining a progressive core. Edwards stands with the movement, for example, and I think he has a solid, immutable progressive core named Elizabeth. Obama has the background as an urban community organizer, a member of the religious left, and an international, multicultural upbringing. Clinton repeatedly self-identifies as a progressive, and viciously attacks the Republican Noise Machine. But they all have problems, too. Right now, in this category, I am leaning towards Obama, but that decision is not final.

  2. A Populist Attack On Elites. I believe that the political and media establishment in America is fundamentally elitist and instinctively anti-progressive. These are two of the main reasons why this establishment has been wrong about pretty much everything over the past ten years. I want a candidate who attacks that establishment, and whose campaign drives fear into significant sections of it. In my time as a political professional, the only two campaigns that I saw really scare the establishment were Howard Dean for America in 2004, and Ned Lamont for Connecticut in 2006. Back in 2003, in was widely viewed as dangerous to your career to work for Howard Dean. In 2006, Ned Lamont's primary campaign against Joe Lieberman seemed even more frightening to the establishment than Dean, as it dominated national headlines for weeks before the primary, every pundit slammed Lamont supporters as Stalinists, and as Lieberman took in $2,100 donations in amounts typically only seen with small donors. If you are not scaring the establishment, are you really going to be in a position to challenge them once in office? Call this the FDR criterion, perhaps, considering that media elites overwhelmingly hated the man early in his time as President, and that wealthy industrialists even tried to oust him as President in a military coup.

    Right now, Edwards has the clear lead in this category. Not only does he regularly engage in populist attacks on elites, but his campaign does seem to be the target the rather excessive establishment smearing. Obama has made motions in this direction when he talks about change, but to be honest one of the aspects of Obama's campaign that worries me the most is that he is surrounded with insider, establishment types. Some will argue that Obama, as an African-America, is not in a position to diss the establishment as openly as someone like John Edwards can, but I would argue that even if that is true, he certainly does not have to be as in bed with the establishment as he has been so afar in the campaign. As far as Clinton goes, if she wins, I feel like the establishment wins.

  3. Clarity On Iraq. My transformation from a part-time, volunteer political activist and union organizer to the world of professional politics and activism was spurred on in large part by the run-up, and eventual start, of the war in Iraq. I remember once, in mid-March of 2003, ranting to my brother that I have never been as angry with "my" government than I was at that time. Everything was bult on a series of lies and propaganda, and large numbers of Democrats and the media went happily along with it all. I knew that not only was the war immoral, but that it would have disastrous, long-term consequences for America. I vowed to make certain that those responsible would face both legal and electoral consequences for their involvement in this ruinous colonial clusterfuck.

    Right now, the only candidate offering clarity on Iraq in Bill Richardson. Quite frankly, by not offering estimates for how many troops they intend to leave in Iraq, I feel like the big three are lying to me when it comes to Iraq. Clinton, Edwards and Obama offer clarity and hypothetical estimates on everything from energy, poverty, health care and pollution, but they refuse to offer hypothetical estimates on troops levels in Iraq. That feels both dishonest and all too familiar. This is a huge missing ingredient when it comes to any of the "big three" receiving my support in the primary.

  4. A Willingness To Help Him Or Herself. I don't like lazy candidates, and I don't like candidates who don't stand up for themselves. If you aren't hitting the campaign trail until you are near the brink of exhaustion, if you are not engaging in a huge amount of call time to raise money, it you seem unprepared or extemporaneous on the stump, and if you are generally not doing all of the demeaning things required of a winning candidate, then I am not interested in supporting you. I am not going to waste my time supporting candidates who are not doing pulling out all of the structural stops necessary in order to win a campaign. My time is limited, are people are constantly hitting me up to support their campaign or cause. I will not waste my time on candidates and causes that are not absolutely dedicated to victory. And the same goes for candidates who are smeared by the right. If you do not respond in kind, f you apologize when the right-wing asks you to apologize, and if you allow bullshit media narratives to form around you without doing everything you can to hit back against the Republican Noise Machine, then I won't bother offering you my activist support.

    In case you are wondering, this is why it makes supporting Biden, Kucinich and Gravel impossible for me. Not only are they the three weakest campaigners in the 2008 field, but they all singed on for the non-cancelled Fox News debate. I can't be bothered to associate with self-defeating weakness of this sort. Clinton and Obama clearly lead in this category, but Edwards has improved of late.

  5. Who Has Movement Support? I generally trust the judgment of my progressive movement-oriented colleagues, and if they start to endorse a candidate en masse, I will probably follow along. This is especially the case when I am convinced that supporting a candidate can actually help grow the progressive movement. Overall, in this category, Obama has the most activism being engaged on his behalf. In my narrower realm of the progressive blogosphere, Edwards appears to be the most popular. This divergence within one segment of the movement from the movement as a whole, not to mention very real questions as to whether or not endorsing either Edwards or Obama would actually help build the progressive movement, is a serious barrier toward making any endorsement. It is also worth noting that Clinton actually has a decent amount of grassroots activism conducted on her behalf, too.

So, that is what I am looking for in a Democratic to endorse in the 2008 primaries. A Carbon tax and single-payer health care would be nice, too. No candidate has a clear lead according to all these criteria, although obviously Edwards and Obama hit more categories, and thus have advantages over the rest of the field. Hopefully, a post like this will be useful not only in that it shows where I am leaning in terms of the 2008 field, but that it also provides real transparency in how I view and critique the campaign. I think that if either Obama or Edwards were to adopt Richardson's Iraq plan, I would probably end up endorsing the candidate who did so. However, right now, I feel that there is at least one major red flag for all of the candidates, and so I remain in the undecided column.

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#4 (0.00 / 0)
Made me think of Fred Thompson.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I found this really helpful, Chris, (4.00 / 2)
and applaud the transparency.

Also, you helped me understand why support for gay marriage is to important to me. I'm not gay, and gay rights aren't my primary issue, but at the moment I can't think of a better litmus test for 'a progressive core' than an wholehearted support of civil rights for all.

I'm increasingly supportive of Obama (since his series of 'gaffes'!), but how do you square your previous discussion of his bi-partisanspeak with your assessment of him as possibly the candidate with the strongest progressive core?

And if you're so inclined, I'd be interested in hearing how you value Dodd on these criteria.


It's not bi-partisanspeak (0.00 / 0)
In a insider Liberdem way. It's bi-partisanspeak in a community organizer Paul Simon/Wellstone kind of way. Paul Simon was one of Obama's senate idols and Simon was a good lister who got things done but was still very liberal. And that comes easy to Obama because he was a community oranizer.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
Kucinich wins first 3 criteria, hands down (4.00 / 1)
Tell me Kucinich doesn't lead on "a progressive core", "a populist critique of elites", and "clarity on Iraq"--not to mention that on the issues you write about so often, war & labor, Kucinich has been right his whole career.
And his clarity on Iraq & the WTO came years ago. 
I won't belabor the point, I know Dennis gets little respect on the blogs.  But it'd be nice if progressives were at least supportive when political leaders do the right things as a matter of course...
Kucinich is ahead of Dodd & Gravel in national polls, ahead of Biden in some, tied for 4th with Richardson on Rasmussen, voted against the Patriot Act (the only one), and is still the only one who talks about impeachment.
Oh, yeah--he's the single-payer guy, too.

I don't think he does (0.00 / 0)
Over the years he has changed his opinion on a number of issues, especially surrounding reproductive choice, and his campaign doesn't scare anyone. That is not hands down, and it is not clear cut. 

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your answer's off the point (0.00 / 0)
Chris, I was objecting to you elevating other candidates over Kucinich on issues where he has been clear and far-sighted and consistent for years, when those others were wrong.  Think all of the others on the Iraq war (except Obama).  All of them on war funding.  All of them on the Patriot Act (including Dodd).  All of them on fair trade issues (even Edwards voted for China MFN, and for a while supported fast track).  All of them on impeachment.  Most of them on Iran, right now.
One of the reasons I have always enjoyed your writing is that you focus on the war but also on labor issues quite a bit.  So my point was that if these (including health care) are regarded as the progressive core, then it's just not right to pretend that others have clearer or better or earlier issue positions than Kucinich.
Dennis Kucinich has always had a progressive core, has always stood up for working people against powerful elites (not to mention Iraqis against warmongers!), and had clarity on Iraq half a decade ago.  He deserves more respect.  I'm biased, but the progressive blogs' refusal to give Kucinich any props at all, even on subjects like "clarity on Iraq" or single-payer, where he stands wholly alone, is just tough to take.

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I agree about Kucinich. (0.00 / 0)
It angers me that the media - including blogs such as openleft often ignore Kucinich.
He has been the most articulate since the beginning. His voting record is consistent with his voting record. He deserves our support.

I also feel that Richardson deserves our support.
Quoting Chris Bowers:

"Clinton, Edwards and Obama offer clarity and hypothetical estimates on everything from energy, poverty, health care and pollution, but they refuse to offer hypothetical estimates on troops levels in Iraq. That feels both dishonest and all too familiar".

It is refreshing to see someone acknowledge that Obama, as well as Clinton and Edwards, is being dishonest about Iraq. Sometimes I feel that "lying through their teeth" is a more accurate description. Obama has been trying to distinguish himself from Clinton and Edwards by referring to a speech he made in 2002.
But his speeches since entering the public limelight and the Senate have said nothing of substance regarding ending the horror that is the war in Iraq.
As far as I am concerned, he will never live down his enthusiastic support for Lieberman' reelection.

For me, frankly, there is no other issue but the war in Iraq.
If the "frontrunners" can't bring themselves to support an immediate withdrawal of forces from the region I will support Richardson or Kucinich.
If Richardson or Kucinich is denied the nomination and Clinton or Obama or Edwards is awarded the prize, I will not be voting for them.


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Correction (0.00 / 0)
In my reply above I wrote that Kucinich's "voting record is consistent with his voting record."  I meant to say that his voting record is consistent with his public statements.

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I'm going to be a broken record today (0.00 / 0)
I find this to be another close to the line, but not crossing the finish line post. I agree with much of how you breakdown your decision making process, but you give no indication of what is the final conclusion of it all. You aren't obligated to tell us, but it would be nice since you did feel obligated to tell us you do have some kind of criteria for what you are seeking in a candidate. That would suggest, at least as a logical extention, that you know where you are leaning even if it's not certain.

PS (4.00 / 1)
at the end you say that you are waiting to see if they adopt a particular quality, but what if they do not-w hat then? that's what I am referring to. No candidate is going to be perfect by any criteria, so will you support them if they don't do these htings?

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Seems pretty obvious (0.00 / 0)
maybe just because I'm in a similar position as Chris, that if nobody really knocks it out of the park based on these criteria, you go with whomever comes closest. The post says pretty clearly that right now Obama and Edwards are ahead of the pack, but even slight things can tip that in any number of directions.  Declaring a particular preference might be "crossing the finish line" to you, but would be premature to others.  It's like picking the winner of the Super Bowl halfway through the season.  Yeah, you can note what teams are playing well at the time, but too many variables come into play during the rest of the season for that prediction to mean anything.

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I understand (4.00 / 1)
But my implicit concern is something witten by David Mixner or someone this week over at mydd. By not being more explicit, they limit the galvanizing effect that their support may have. Right now if you see the Hlllary avalanche is about to happen (and clearly he's not going to endorse Clinton) then what  do you do? Do you take steps to galvanize the field as effectively as possible or do you merely report on the field with a slight bit of editorial that here's the field and what I think we could do for me to support stopping the alvalanche. I suppose my point is one of effect. Do they want to affect outcomes or merely report and editorialize intellectually which way they sway?

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Additional point (0.00 / 0)
Look at the value of unambigous support by the netroots for candidates last year as an example of why it's nice to know his leanings, but more important to know what it all means in a conclusionary fashion. Imagine if when choosing between Jim Webb and (forgetting the national's choice in the race- Morrison??)  someone had done what Chris is doing here. Imagine if someone had not been unabiguious in their support. What would have happened?

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I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth (0.00 / 0)
But speaking for myself, I think part of it is a sense that reasonable people can disagree based on these sorts of criteria, but also that, as things stand, there isn't necessarily a sense that only one or two candidates would be viable in the election.  For example, I'm not particularly wild about Hillary Clinton but I think she would be able to win if she received the nomination.  Then it becomes a matter of degrees in terms of whether or not it would cost more or less, what the impact would be downticket, how the party would have to adapt or be changed, etc. for better or worse.  That's the sort of stuff that isn't easy to sift through in a definitive manner this far out for the most part, so claiming so, for me, would be premature.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Obama: A progressive who can woo the right (0.00 / 0)
Great post.

I very much agree with you on these criteria. I decided to personally endorse Obama a few months ago. I feel he pretty much matches up with your checklist-- which I think is a great measuring stick. I think he can get his message across--unlike Richardson or Dodd, Kucinich or Gravel.

But most importantly: 1) I studied his voting record and found it to be strongly progressive. 2) My Republican, Southern Baptist relatives said if they voted for a Dem they would vote for Obama.

How can you beat a progressive candidate who has a chance of wooing people on the right wing?

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Obama - progressive? (0.00 / 0)
I don't know how Obama can qualify to be called "strongly progressive".

He has continuously voted to fund the war in Iraq.
Obama supported Lieberman's reelection bid. Lieberman is the most virulent supporter of the senseless war in Iraq.

Obama voted for the Patriot Act. He did this after acknowledging that the act seriously threatens and compromises our civil liberties.

He sponsored a bill called  the Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007. Coal-to-liquid (CTL) would take America's prodigious coal reserves and turn them into diesel fuel . The Sierra Club has said that this bill " would double the global warming emissions of regular gasoline."

At present, he is making speeches about God and faith to Kansans. No wonder your Republican friends find him acceptable. Obama is playing to them.

He also referred to his religion as the source of his inner conflict about supporting equal rights for gay people.

These are not progressive stances. They fit in with the Republican mold.


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Good Points (0.00 / 0)
Good points lentinel.

On gay rights-- he supports it. Ok so he has conflicts, but to be honest part of my support comes from who I think can win. A candidate who says he has conflict due to religion BUT supports gay rights will appeal to voters more than someone who just says- sure why not, anyone who does not support gay rights is a wacko.

Coal To Liquid Fuel. Absolutely. This is his one stance that angers me. But I have also seen him voting strongly on the environment elsewhere, so I can forgive that.

God and Faith. I am an athiest. But man I WANT a democrat who will talk openly, comfortably, and progressively about religion. Again because of votes, but also-- I would rather be in a room full of progressive believers than a room of athiests and right wingers. He can highlight the best of religion WHILE appealing to the left and the right.

So I guess I think of him as a strong progressive next to people like Billary and Rahm Emanuel etc.

thoughts?

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My criteria are similar (0.00 / 0)
I like this -- and I especially like "a Willingness To Help Him Or Herself. I don't like lazy candidates..." Too often progressives have acted as if being correct on the issues should be enough to get them in. No way -- gotta bust your butt for it and educate a lot along the way.

Awhile ago I wrote a blog post looking at our choices through this lens: "If (when) the U.S. is hit by another terrorist attack, which candidate will be most able to keep retaliation/revenge within somewhat proportional limits?" I continue to think that's relevant, though I suppose if the incumbent attacks Iran, we'll have more immediate things to worry about.

Can it happen here?


Richardson's Plans (4.00 / 2)
Video from debate - John Edwards On Iraq

From website on Iraq:

Edwards has issued a comprehensive proposal to end the war in Iraq-starting today: It calls on Congress to use its funding power to block President Bush's escalation, immediately begin withdrawing troops by capping funding and requiring complete withdrawal of all combat troops in 12 to 18 months.

He is clear that the only troops in Iraq would be marines to protect the embassy. 

Richardson's plan is the same as Edwards only in different words. Link

Richardson would leave a small Marine contingent behind in Iraq to protect the U.S. Embassy. But, he said, "if the embassy isn't safe, they're coming home too, along with embassy personnel."

From Richardson's website:

Once it has de-authorized this war, Congress should set a military pull-out date and appropriate funds accordingly for the re-deployment of troops. I believe we can withdraw all the troops within six months of de-authorization, but if it takes a few months longer the key is to get them all out as soon as humanly possible.

Richardson fudges too.  He would get them out in 6 months but.....

He sets up impossible conditions
- Once it has de-authorized this war
- appropriate funds
This would require Bush to sign these bills if even passed.  Would never happen.

Congress can defund the war.  Richardson is not advocating that.

It is fine that you have these criteria for choosing your candidate but buying Richardson's rhetoric without analysis seems to help confuse the issue.  I don't find Richardson congruent with his past record or even fairly recent comments.  It is interesting that he is the new standard for Iraq. 


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There's a difference between clarity and (4.00 / 2)
simplistic.  Richardson reminds me of a candidate for Student Council president who promises free Mountain Dew for everybody.

 


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Honesty on Iraq (4.00 / 1)
I am not really sure what the most honest approach to talking about Iraq is.  It is a moving target and the best way to approach it seems to change each time the Bush administration fucks it up a little more.

It actually frustrates me when presidential candidates talk about us withdrawing before they are in office since it does not appear to me that that is likely to happen.

What I want from a candidate is the sentiment that we are doing more harm than good, that the solution is not an American one, that we will not stay and man those bases we are building.  Preferably a history of opposition to the war, or at least a repudiation of their past support.

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Great Criteria (0.00 / 0)
These are really good criteria -- not unreasonable at all.

Until one of the canidates can actually meet these criteria, they should expect that many progressives will not support them. Those of us who have supported candidates in the past only to be disappointed later when they flopped and voted/worked against us are wary of candidates who hint at progressive stances, but won't actually stand up, talk straight, and fight for progressive stances.


Are You Being Honest With Yourself?? (4.00 / 2)
I think you know the answer of who is the most progressive of all the candidates and that is John Edwards.  He has been the strongest on human rights and on having anti discrimination laws to protect the minority including all peoples who have no voice.  I think Obama would compromise as Reid seems to be doing on too many issues that are too important to compromise on.  I have faith in Edwards that he would standup and not back down. 

Richardson is not being honest with himself, and I think he is only pandering to the voters who desperately want the US to leave Iraq.  It is irresponsible of him to not tell the truth of the real curcumstances on getting out of Iraq. Honesty is the best policy.

I say enodorse your candidate whoever that might be.  Be brave, and quit sitting on the fence.  Whomever you endorse will most probably have no baring on whom the bloggers on this site support because we have been with our candidates from the beginning.


I want a candidate who will... (0.00 / 0)
...promise not to attack Iran unless Iran hits us first. Fat chance.

I have similar criteria (0.00 / 0)
But I expect at this point that no candidate will particularly blow me away.  So the default barometer that I keep coming down to is largely (unfortunately) based on a gut impression from distilling everything down and asking one question:  Eight years after assuming office, which candidate will depart the White House with the strongest progressive Democratic Party remaining to move forward?

I don't have an answer to that question yet and I don't think I even have any leanings (none that I know of anyways).  But once I decide that, it'll likely decide it all for me.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


Leanings (0.00 / 0)
I don't understand if you are clear about your leanings why that doesn't mean you can't say candidates 2 or 3, but not 1 in an agressive way?

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Well (0.00 / 0)
I'm less concerned with the process of candidates finding their way and more concerned with who they've become when it's time to vote.  As far as I am aware, I have no current leanings.  I will however say that some candidates have demonstrated more potential to me than others.  Whether that potential ever pays off, we'll see.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Space (0.00 / 0)
I think the space you are in is different from some who post on this subject. You  seem much more open and questioning, and they seem more like "I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 3 that I like, and I'll hint at it, but I am not gonna tell."

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I don't pretend to speak for others (0.00 / 0)
I have my own outlook, I'm not speaking for anyone else here obviously.  Where I think I overlap with this post is that I'm not interested in deciding right now that anyone is irrevocably who they are going to be come January.  For some candidates, that will prove to be a good thing.  For other candidates, that will prove to be a bad thing.  What I get from this post and agree with is that none of the legit candidates (in which I include folks like Richardson and Dodd [though not necessarily just them]) have completely rules themselves in or out.  They've all shown tendencies that should not be dismissed, but only that.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

[ Parent ]
Clinton (4.00 / 2)
For example, Stollers post today is agressively anti Clinton, but then what?

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I think there's a difference (0.00 / 0)
An anti-Clinton post is not the same as disqualifying Clinton.  Do I envision any of the FPers here endorsing her? No I do not.  But I also do not for a minute get the impression until people state it flat out that they are not willing to have their minds changed.

More specifically, it may well be that Clinton or just Candidate X has not, to this point, impressed Stoller, Bowers, me, whomever.  That doesn't mean Candidate X cannot do so.  Rather, it means that thus far, it doesn't look good.  Just because a particular candidate has yet to deliver for me or for someone else doesn't mean they can't eventually do so, it just means that others might currently be closer.  A lot can happen going forward for good or bad relative to each candidate.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


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I don't trust the caution is based on the reasoning you give (4.00 / 1)
That's what it comes down to. Past behavior certainly doesn't demonstrate why  this present behavior makes much sense.

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PS (4.00 / 1)
Also, I've seen this before. A group or organization will come in as an upstart. They will develop creds. Once they develop creds, and get notice by the players, they start to act more cautiously versus how they acted when they were upstarts.

[ Parent ]
Perhaps (0.00 / 0)
But what good are bold declarations if half the time they're wrong or counterproductive because they weren't fully considered in the first place?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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My point they made this declarations in the past (0.00 / 0)
Often with the same ambiguity, and uncertainties as this list. The fact is overall this bloggers have become more cautious and conservative in what they are willing to say and call to action peo to do. I am not even discussing holding the Congress to task because its a side discussion. My point is I don't doubt some part of what you say is true, but I also don't doubt that those things can be used as a means by which one overelooks the under dynamics at play. That whereas before even with the dynamics at play they may have acted a little bit more decisively now with a Democratic majority and desire to be a part of it, they are not doing it as much.

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What a great field (0.00 / 0)
What Chris shows so well here is that any of the top three are way better than last year's field.

No one in 04 really had a progressive core. Edwards had the Two Americas, but was much more DLC at the same time. Dean was right on the war, but is very neoliberal on other issues - his framing of reproductive rights and his position on economics jump to mind.

Dean comes close on 2-5, but the way that he tells the story of his campaign is that it happened around him and he went with it. Excepting the war, he didn't start out as the Dean he became and it always showed, to me. Always a Bill Bradley vibe... I'm sure many will disagree and that's a reasonable stance too.

In any case, I feel like the top three are hitting the right harder and taking more liberal stances on the issues than anyone but Kucinich did. They are running bigger and smarter campaigns with more activist support for each of them than any of the candidates. We have public opinion more on our side than we did, but we also have three candidates that we can be really, really pleased with.


progressive presidential candidate (4.00 / 3)
I got to see Edwards here in Orlando this past Tuesday; he was very clear about only leaving enugh marines in Iraq to protect the U.S. embassy there. Of coure we all know that this embassy is going to be huge, so how many marines will be needed is anyones' guess. Aside from this sticking point my vote is pretty much for John Edwards at this point. I am making a point of listening to all of the democratic candidates in the media and in person when possible. Your list does help clarify points though I have to disagree with you on the Progressive Core. Edwards has been leading this fight for the last three years in the south east corner of the country. Some see it as populist, but when you are supporting and picketing with unions in this hostile territory many call it "socialist". 

Why yes, I'm a liberal. Thank you very much!

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