Kaine: We Will Continue a 50-State Stategy (of some sort)

by: tremayne

Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 14:47


Newly appointed DNC Chair Tim Kaine has released a video where he responds to about a dozen questions submitted by citizens. Credit where due: not one but two of the selected questions concern the 50-state strategy advocated and pursued by Former DNC Chair Howard Dean. Those questions come at the 11:12 and 23:00 points in the video below:

In response to both questions Kaine talks about all the ways that Virginia has gone from red to blue over the last few years and gives credit to Dean for this. I see it more as going from reddish-purple to bluish-purple but okay. He says the 50-state strategy was "really important." Good. He says "Its success speaks for itself." Yes.

But in both answers he says they won't being doing exactly what they did during the last 4 years. Kaine: "You never should just do what you did yesterday" and "We may do it in different ways." More specifically, Virginia is not, say, Idaho and therefore: "I won't say it should apply equally in every state." But we will continue it in "new and exciting ways."

So, bottom line: it was really important and successful and we'll be doing something that we'll call a 50-state strategy but it won't look like it did before. Because "you never should just do what you did yesterday" even if what you did yesterday worked really well.

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this is reassuring (0.00 / 0)
The 50-state strategy is a great strategy.  If the new team thinks they've got some better tactics to execute that strategy (and I'm sure they've learned some great lessons from the Obama campaign), more power to them.

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don't be too reassured (4.00 / 2)
Based on the GOTV operation in Iowa this fall, I expect that the 50-state strategy under Kaine's leadership will be a 50-state strategy primarily in the service of Barack Obama.

The Obama campaign took over the GOTV in Iowa, and we ended up with a 9-point victory for Obama but not as many state legislative wins as we should have had. Even the Republicans were surprised by how well they did in those races. The Democrats had net gains in the Iowa House and Senate, but not the number they were expecting.

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Perhaps... (0.00 / 0)
...but, Obama is not on the ballot in 2010... Kaine needs to be successful in the midterms as well.... and maybe one of the lessons learned that Kaine mentioned was from what happened in Iowa--not to assume that GOTV for Obama will lead to downticket success as well...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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You're Missing the Point (4.00 / 1)
Obama's DNC will care about Obama's fortunes, like supporting the election of Congresscritters who will bow before him.

The DNC under Dean cared about winning elections, but as the end-result of building Democratic infrastructure, a term that has since outlived etymological usefulness.  

The DNC-Obama operation will be run in service of Obama, not in service of Democrats, including winning elections for Democrats up and down the ballot, developing Democratic activists and leaders, and always building for the future of Democrats.


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Yeah, right. (4.00 / 1)
Sounds to me like a lie pretending somewhat halfheartedly to be a qualification. Of course, it might just be a qualification trying too hard not to sound like a lie. Perhaps my political ear lacks subtlety. Or something.

yes it could be something like (4.00 / 4)
Exciting new 2009 policy:

When the DNC sends fund-raising emails they will make sure they are addressed to people in all 50 states.


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To me, the important thing was never the actual strategy (4.00 / 1)
it was the idea -- the philosophy -- that lay behind it: That it is embarrassing for a major party to NOT compete in every state, plus Puerto Rico, Guam and Samoa.

If you believe in the fundamental rightness of your ideas and your policy proposals, why would you not believe that people in every state can be won over if you campaign properly?  For better or worse, we are basically a two-political party nation.  That means that neither party should be conceding ground anywhere.


To me, the important thing was... (4.00 / 3)
sending money and staff to all 50 states so they could organize in the off years.

Any changes should be improvements or an expansion of that.  


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The 50 State Strategy (4.00 / 4)
never spent we spent the same in each state.  It meant, though, that you tried to organize everywhere. The part that always seemed to me to be greatly understood was that if your started to organize say Mississippi, your efforts could largely be self-funding as you built your infrastructure.  

Credit to Democracy for America (0.00 / 0)
DFA has been encouraging members to e-mail Kaine with questions about the 50-state-strategy (Kaine acknowledges that "many people sent this in") so maybe any credit that Kaine addressed the issue should go to DFA.

Oh, and I'm sure Kaine's okay - he won a race for governor - and Dean could rub people the wrong way, but I don't see Kaine being as forceful as Dean could be on talking head shows.


Shorter Kaine (0.00 / 0)
"We'll continue the 50-state strategy, except for the 50-state part."  

So irritating.  Once again, the Beltway guys are gonna tell us that there's places that Democrats just can't win.  Like Idaho...oh, wait, we won 1 of the 2 House seats there this year.  Well, Alaska...hmm, won a Senate seat.  

I hope I'm wrong.  

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I got it, but didn't watch it. I assumed it was (0.00 / 0)
propaganda ~ as usual.  I asked them several times why Dean wasn't offered any kind of a job in the Obama cabinet or WH.  I didn't expect an answer, and I was right.  

Maybe 'cos Dean wants to retire? (0.00 / 0)
He did not want another term as DNC head, and it seems to me, he's wiped out from politics and wants a break...  

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Not exactly true. (0.00 / 0)
He said on TV (an interview with Larry King if I remember rightly) that he would be interested in and accept Sec. of Education or Health and Human Services if asked.  

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This would be a logical possibility (4.00 / 1)
If it weren't complete fiction.

Look, Dean was going to step down from the DNC if any Democrat won the Presidency - that's just how it's done. But he really had his eyes on a cabinet post, and probably felt he deserved one (which he most surely does). He was especially interested in HHS. That he got NOTHING and was left out in the wilderness was a snub, no matter how you look at it. Democrats refuse to give him his due, despite how much they owe him for his work and insight.And I predict that will come back to bite them.


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Hmm (4.00 / 2)
So, bottom line: it was really important and successful and we'll be doing something that we'll call a 50-state strategy but it won't look like it did before. Because "you never should just do what you did yesterday" even if what you did yesterday worked really well.

No, it was an idea which will live on. I know  desmoinesdem will bitch about their Iowa losses (every chance he gets) and blame it on anyone except themselves but that's no surprise from his track during the primaries.

Non the less the new tactics Kaine is talking about will probably be the tactics they used to run the Obama campaign machine in 08. those tactics results speak for themselves, they were immensely successful and gained the dem congress the biggest gain since the Reagan revolution. Also O Got the biggest mandate for the dems since LBJ 44 years ago with 53% of votes. there will always be hand wringers for everything but people with the know how will be in charge.

P.S. The best 50 state strategy would be to improve the economy right now, nothing else comes close.


I will never understand (0.00 / 0)
the apparent pathological inability or refusal of the Democratic Party to just admit that Dean was right and they were wrong and that they should indeed keep doing exactly what Dean did.

Please Read This (4.00 / 3)
The 50SS was never anything more than a strategic commitment on the part of the DNC to extend the reach of the Democratic infrastructure and nascent capacity - or the commitment to build that - everywhere.

The 50SS did not mean anything beyond an orientation, a direction.

Please, bear in mind that the "Democratic party" is not the same as the "Democratic Party."  The latter, with the capital "p" is the party-as-organization, as the estimable V.O. Key, Jr created the distinction in the 1960s.  The former, with the lower-case "p," is either the party-in-government or the party-in-the-electorate.

The 50SS was about making it possible to expand the (Democratic) party-in-the-electorate to expand the (Democratic) party-in-government by re-orienting and building the Democratic Party-as-organization.  

The 50SS meant two key programs over the course of 4 years - from early 2005 through the 2008 elections, with the 2006 midterms in between.  The first program was the State Partnership Program and the second was the development of the VAN, the national voter file.

The SPP was essentially a block grant from the DNC to each state party to pay for staff.  Seems straightforward, right?  What made it genius, and what allowed us to build the PIG by expanding and activating the PIE, was that the PAO was built through the SPP, with local state parties in control of it.  The SPP funded staff that were essentially directed by the state party organization to work on local priorities.  It was not run out of D.C. for the benefit of the DNC (immediately).  

It was run out of the states for the benefit of Democrats.

This built critical infrastructure of state and local parties to capitalize upon the national mood in 2006 by organizing voters and activists well ahead of September 2006.  This is a huge reason why we won lots in 2006 - we had done the work ahead of time, and Democratic activists on the ground were a part of it, not just staffers.

This in turn laid the groundwork for 2008, continuing to build actual Democratic Party-as-organization capacity.  We had the opportunity to best organize the party-in-the-electorate to win the most possible for the party-in-government.  

Now, as an aside, the VAN was a huge part of this.  And creating a resource that could be used by local party leaders (e.g. county party chairs), local, state, and federal candidates together, and shared across people within the Party-as-organization, well that was a) profoundly simple and b) profoundly effective.

The threat of seeing the SPP and the VAN go by the wayside scares me as a Democrat and as a Democratic Party leader and party elected official.

Don't believe the hype.  Obama's DNC will be very different from Dean's DNC.  This I do not begrudge them from the start.  Dean's DNC was about re-building and about building an organization.  We were out of power when he took over.  Now, Kaine's DNC will be run while we are in power.  But the one thing that should unite the tenures of both Kaine and Dean is that the DNC be run for the robust benefit of all Democrats, not just any one particular elected official (e.g. Obama) and his interests.  

Obama's campaign strategy in 2008 was just that, a campaign strategy.  It was organized around one candidate, winning one election.  Putting together a competent, effective DNC will have to (should) respond to many masters (i.e. lots of Democrats, from elected officials to rank-and-filers) through many elections (including those of 2010 and that of 2016 or 2024, the future).  

There is reason for hand-wringing on this matter.  Tim Kaine and, to the extent that he now speaks for Obama's vision of what the Democratic Party-as-organization will be, Barack Obama leave me incredibly concerned about what our Party will be like.  We need the SPP and the VAN - and if Tim Kaine means the components of the 50SS will not be the same because the SPP will be expanded to fund 10 staffers per state party that work for that state party, fine by me.  We don't need a DNC that continues older practices to support one person at the mutual exclusion of benefiting all Democrats.


excellent detailed comment (4.00 / 1)
"The threat of seeing the SPP and the VAN go by the wayside scares me as a Democrat and as a Democratic Party leader and party elected official."

Agree completely. Will the national party pay for a full-time organizer in my part of my state? That's what the SPP did.

"Obama's campaign strategy in 2008 was just that, a campaign strategy.  It was organized around one candidate, winning one election."

Exactly. Obama gave up on my state. The 50SS is about laying the groundwork to be competitive in every CD, in every city council election, and so forth. Now, if there is someone experienced in the effective Obama community organizing methods who will camp out in my region of the state to help grow the Democratic brand, that would be a huge innovation for the 50SS.

Until then, I'm ready to move my Democracy Bonds investment over to DFA or Wellstone's group--to some place I feel more confident the money will help broad-scale grassroots organizing.  

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I said no to the DNC phone banker (4.00 / 1)
who called me this week--the first time I've said no to them in years. I told him I need to wait and see whether Kaine is interested in serving the interests of down-ticket Democrats, or only Obama.

I said yes to the DFA, though, and will keep doing so.

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Remember... (4.00 / 2)
The DNC under Dean was building capacity.  DFA and Wellstone don't as of yet build capacity like the DNC is/was.

Voter files and people are concrete things that organize.  


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