"Pro-Israel" Addicts... Is Recovery Possible?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 12:35


The LA Times reports:

In declaring a cease-fire Saturday in Gaza, Israel asserted that it had achieved its goals: hurting Hamas' military wing, discouraging rocket fire into Israel and cutting the flow of smuggled arms into Gaza. But Israel had a broader goal: sending a tough message to its arch-enemies Iran and Hezbollah.

All this is utterly delusional.  But delusion is all Israel has left.

In what is surely a sign of the Apocalypse, The New York Times runs a story about a Palestinian as a human being, "Gazan Doctor and Peace Advocate Loses 3 Daughters to Israeli Fire and Asks Why":

TEL HASHOMER, Israel -- Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish is a Gazan and a doctor who has devoted his life to medicine and reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians.

But on Saturday, the day after three of his daughters and a niece were killed by Israeli fire in Gaza, Dr. Abuelaish, 53, struggled to hold on to the humane philosophy that has guided his life and work.

As he sat in a waiting room of the Israeli hospital where he works part time, he asked over and over, "Why did they do this?"

Elsewhere in the hospital another daughter and a niece were being treated for their wounds.

"I dedicated my life really for peace, for medicine," said Dr. Abuelaish, who does joint research projects with Israeli physicians and for years has worked as something of a one-man force to bring injured and ailing Gazans for treatment in Israel.

"This is the path I believed in and what I raised and educated my children to believe," he said.

Against this immediacy, Ezra Klein  has an op-ed in Haaretz "What it means to be pro-Israel" that's a further reflection of how things have changed this time around--not enough, certainly for Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish and his family, nor all the others who have died or lost family members in Israel's assault on Gaza, or the millions of Palestinians still deprived of a homeland, but enough to clearly signal that Israel's current path is a road to nowhere.  

Klein begins:

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It is a striking image. Three cords of barbed wire cut violently across the top of a heavy concrete wall. Behind it is a Star of David, drawn to look simultaneously menacing and menaced. The text is urgent. "Why Israel Can't Win," it says.

This is not a normal cover for Time magazine, the august periodical that weekly defines America's consensus. But these are not normal times. Writing on The New York Times op-ed page, Nicholas Kristof condemned the murderous provocations of Hamas, but concluded, "Israel's right to do something doesn't mean it has the right to do anything." The very next day, Kristof's colleague Roger Cohen gave voice to his private horror. "I have never previously felt so despondent about Israel, so shamed by its actions," he wrote. These are not writers who tend to criticize Israel. For the American media, this is not normal.

Indeed, it is not normal.  Normal is changing.  

Normal has already changed. And I think that Juan Cole has told us why: we've seen the same movie with the neocons in Iraq.  We've had our noses shoved in it for five, going on six long years.  Klein doesn't dwell on this, though.  His real focus is on how hardliners have responded to criticism, particularly the challenge presented by J Street.

Traditionally, Israel's American advocates have prized a dogmatic species of support, best encapsulated in the "Israel, right-or-wrong" approach favored by groups like AIPAC. There is little room for discussion in this vision, and even less for dissent. Debate on a specific action is recast as a referendum on Israel itself.

Gee, pure authoritarianism. What could be wrong with that?

Ezra could go after such foolishness hammer and tongs.  But he does not:

The upside of this strategy is that it silences disagreement. While many question the strategic wisdom and proportionality of Operation Cast Lead, fewer are against Israel. This approach subsumes doubts about the former within the fierce commitment to the latter. The downside is that this makes for a brittle form of support. It cannot bend. It can only break. To judge the State of Israel wrong is a much graver judgment than to see its Gaza operation as misguided.

In recent years, a challenge has arisen to this perspective. In part out of virtue and in part out of necessity, new groups like J Street have argued that Israel is sometimes right and sometimes wrong. This approach has more space for criticism, which also means it has more space for support. It can bend without breaking.

This has terrified the "right-or-wrong" crowd.

Klein goes on to give a bit of a blow-by-blow account of some assaults against J Street, including their ever-shifting grounds for accusing it of not being "pro-Israel", and pointing out how broadly J Street's views are reflected, both in Israel and the US.  He ends thus:

The American center, thankfully, considers itself resolutely pro-Israel. But it does not agree with Israel's every action. It wants an immediate cease-fire and is only tepidly supportive of Operation Cast Lead. In this, it is well-represented by groups like J Street, which provides a home for those who support the state without justifying its every twitch and gesture. And in this, Israel is well-served by J Street, and by other attempts to broaden its base of supporters rather than narrow the definition of support. It would be deeply unwise to write that perspective, and those supporters, out of the community that can consider itself "pro-Israel." A country that cannot brook criticism cannot have friends. And when Operation Cast Lead ends, Israel will still need friends. Indeed, it may need them more than ever.

This is a pretty mild argument, to put it mildly.  It's hard to see how any Palestinian, any Arab, any Muslim could get excited by this.  Nor should they.  And yet, for Jews--particularly American Jews--it is huge.  And the fact that it is huge is a measure of how small we have allowed ourselves to become.

At the Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer on Saturday, Dr. Abuelaish was surrounded by Israeli colleagues. Several were crying. Tammie Ronen, a professor of social work at Tel Aviv University, knelt beside the doctor. "You cannot let yourself collapse, you have your living children to take care of," said Dr. Ronen. Dr. Ronen had worked with him in researching the effects of conflict-related stress on Palestinian children in Gaza and Israeli children in Sderot, a border town that has been the main target of Gazan rocket fire in recent years....

Outside the room, Ms. Harpaz crumpled into a chair, sobbing.

"I hope this is a wake-up call," she said. "This is such a peace-loving family."

Dr. Abuelaish is a rarity: a Gazan at home among Israelis. He describes himself as a bridge between the two worlds, one of the few Gazans with a permit to enter Israel because of his work.

"I wanted every Palestinian treated in Israel to go back and say how well the Israelis treated them," he said. "That is the message I wanted to spread all the time. And this is what I get in return?"

As I said, Ezra's argument is a mild one.  But mine is not.  Of course Israel killed a Palestinian peace-maker's daughters.  It's what they do.

"Collateral damage."  Everyone and everything is "collateral damage" to them. Including Israel itself, for all their professed love.

Let's put it bluntly: The "pro-Israel" crowd is not pro-Israel at all.  They are pro their own narcassistic self-infatuation.  They do not love Israel any more than a stalker loves a celebrity.  Neither the love nor the object is real.  It is self-centered, self-obsessed infatuation that is above all a cowardly, terrified retreat from the real world.  And vitally important as the emergence of J Street has already proven itself to be, it represents, so far, mere baby steps at the beginning of a long pathway to recovery.  Recovery from a form of addiction that deludes itself into thinking it is love.

The stalker does not love.  The addict does not love.  The addict kills what it thinks it loves.  The addict does not know the meaning of the word "love."  The addict knows nothing-nothing of themselves, nothing of love, nothing of what they claim to love.

No wonder they kill everything in their path.  No wonder they make a wilderness and call it peace.


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35 yrs. ago this 49 yr. old was in middle school (4.00 / 2)
and round 44304988754897340938 of the I/P middle east bloodbath was in full swing.
I recall peace in the middle east as 1 of hte topics we had to read about / discuss
AND
I am sooooooooooo sick of all sides.

To this Irish American raised Catholic Devout Atheist,
this issue is EXACTLY like Northern Ireland and the Congo and the Khmer Rouge and and and ...

I am sick of alllllllllllllll of them on each side.
I wish there was a hell, cuz most of them belong in it.

rmm.  

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


But Northern Ireland Has Changed (4.00 / 8)
And South Africa has changed.

And now, it's starting to look like Israel/Palestine's turn is finally entering the beginning stages of change.

It's no longer an exact repeat cycle.  It's not Hell. It's Purgatory.

That's "progress."

Maybe not change we can believe in.  But it's the change we've got.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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& it's the more powerful side of most conflicts that usually change 1st -- (4.00 / 4)
whether from internal or external factors.

They in fact must change how they deal with those under their control (and all Palestinians in Israel are totally under their control) before any progress can occur.

Spain with ETA is almost there, i think, for one ongoing example. They've changed how they deal with ETA, and purposely don't take actions that inflame tensions or punish everyone in those areas.

All conflicts where one side has massive and official power and the others are resident--and oppressed by them -- are different, but there are general parallels -- even in Israel itself.

Israel tho, is intentionally digging in its heels and intentionally exacerbating the hatred and making progress impossible on all levels, while also trying to get other countries and/or the UN and NATO to take responsibility for the horrors they created and have perpetuated and are responsible for. It won't work -- i think they know it, too. Hopefully it's an "it's always darkest before the dawn" thing.

Hamas was brilliant today in declaring a seize-fire too, and basing it on Israel leaving the area and opening all the crossings -- they threw the onus where it belongs -- on Israel. -- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...


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Enablers (4.00 / 4)
I would like to add that as the enablers of Israel, a change in American sentiment will make a difference too.

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But didn't we think this after Lebanon 2006, too? (4.00 / 2)
That this was a turning point? That this useless, mindless massacre did show that military means can never bring real peace? That this was the last, stubborn attempt at proving the value of an already failed strategy?

Really, can we be sure that this was the last time the Israelis reacted with bloodthirsty overkill to the pathetic terrorist efforts of a radical group inside a desperate, hopeless population? No, sry, we can't.

And I don't even believe that there's really any serious change. I don't see that American Jews have changed their stance much since 2006, even though J-Street at least is a small step in the right direction. But change has to come from Israel in the first place. And polls show that even more Israeli Jews supported this horrible crime against humanity than the Lebanon war, and the peace fraction has shrunk to a ridiculous 4-5%. Ok, that's change, but in the wrong direction!

Paul, I don't want to discourage you, and I'm grateful for you being one of the few voices for sanity. I can only vaguely speculate about the cost you have to pay personally for this courageous stance. Thank you for still doing the right thing!

But after witnessing the "situation" in the news, in books and TV reports for about 35 years, my hope that this will end soon has sunk to a new low. I can only imagine that a massive uprising of all Palestinians and Israeli Arabs can bring a real change. Israel would either have to react with brutal military force, killing tens of thousands and instantly becoming an international pariah, or succumb to the numbers and finally acknoledge that it's impossible to suppress so many people for an infinite time. I fear it will be option number one. But imho the point where people become so desperate that they actually have nothing left to lose, where a final confrontation seems more desirable than suffering without end, can't be very far away. It will be like Armageddon, but at least it will bring real change, one way or the other.
:-(  


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Lebanon WAS A Turning Point (4.00 / 5)
But turning an ocean liner is a very long process.

That was about turning the reality of the power balance.  Israel gambled big in the neocon mold, and got knocked down hard.  Gaza was, on one level, a deliberate attempt to erase the memory of Lebanon.  Instead, it has reinforced it.  What was a single data point has now been confirmed as the start of a trend.

This is a much broader turning point.  It's a turning point in US opinion, for one thing--both US as a whole and US Jews in particular.  And given the crucial role that US plays in validating, supporting and encouraging Israel, this is absolutely vital.

Ezra's gloss is absolutely correct, I believe--the large mass of people who have always been ambivilent with equating broad support for Israel with blind support for every action have finally begun to find a public voice that speaks for them.  And this is a huge turning point.  This is absolutely vital.  And this did not happen with Lebanon.  But Lebanon surely helped plant the seeds that made this possible.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I can only hope that your more optimistic outlook comes true... (4.00 / 2)
..and not my visions of Armageddon. Again, thx for being so outspoken about this! If this encourages others to voice their concerns in spite of "common wisdom" of their peers, someday a critical mass may be reached and the balance may shift. It's a goal worth fighting for.  

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Well, Speaking For Myself (4.00 / 4)
I'm not projecting any timelines for the future.  I only know that there's a definite and systemic shift that's happened, and there's no going back to the status quo ante.

Things may still get worse in some ways, but the momentum will only keep growing, and the choice will be "momentum towars what?" and once enough Israelis recognize this at a level they can't deny, then it will become obvious to everyone, and change can happen relatively swiftly.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Exactly. (4.00 / 2)
Lebanon WAS A Turning Point

Only the most demented portions of Olmert's government, who was also responsible for the debacle of Lebanon, didnt realize it, and may still not have realized it. But their delusion has been recognized, and the cost of those delusions, to the future of Israel, the future of Palestinians and it is vital and central to world peace. That delusion is well described by Paul:

Let's put it bluntly: The "pro-Israel" crowd is not pro-Israel at all.  They are pro their own narcassistic self-infatuation.  They do not love Israel any more than a stalker loves a celebrity.  Neither the love nor the object is real.  It is self-centered, self-obsessed infatuation that is above all a cowardly, terrified retreat from the real world.  And vitally important as the emergence of J Street has already proven itself to be, it represents, so far, mere baby steps at the beginning of a long pathway to recovery.  Recovery from a form of addiction that deludes itself into thinking it is love.

This is a Brilliant insight, and an incredibly useful insight.  

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Iraq made it possible too -- (4.00 / 3)
public opinion here and worldwide is now much more against this kind of one-sided military shit -- and the media lost so much trust during that -- they actually covered the protests for this -- a lot.

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i kinda agree with you, but this was also supposed to restore confidence after Lebanon -- (4.00 / 1)
it hasn't, i don't think.

Of course Israel will commit more horrors -- i think, tho, that now the rest of the world (and hopefully Israelis themselves) see that military and violent methods cost more than they are worth. (And Israelis will be screaming about all the "friendly fire" things -- watch and see.)

There'll be changes, i think -- this and Lebanon have absolutely shown that military stuff only strengthens those they see as "enemies" and "terrorists", etc.

And Fatah, too, is very damaged by this, and more know just what kind of puppets they are. And the world knows that Hamas is there to stay (and the alternative will be even worse, from our perspective and the neighboring countries too--it'd be real jihadists from what i understand)

I don't think it's blind hope or unjustified to expect a real change in strategy now by Israel -- whether it helps Palestinians or not, or is progress toward some kind of real solution or not is up in the air -- but it's coming very soon.

On the suicidal/armaggedon/genocide thing -- many regular Israeli Jews -- and especially young ones -- won't allow the leadership there to actually do it. The radical right there, and the settlers, are not the majority -- and are not liked by the majority either. And none of us outside Israel have any desire to move there at all -- the numbers of worldwide Jews making aliyah has been dropping to a trickle for ages--and now it'll drop even more.

A grim and hopeless Israel fighting til either they all die or all Arabs/Palestinians die would destroy their economy,  create a massive regional war, and make most soldier-age Israelis leave or want to leave (which destroys Israel too). The leadership there has to be very careful in how they use force -- even if it doesn't always seem like it to us. And the "moderate" leadership of Egypt and Jordan etc, would all fall and be replaced by religious people who are further to the right -- We, and the EU, do not want that at all, and would stop Israel.

 


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Things are changing. (4.00 / 1)
Certainly my attitudes have evolved since Lebanon and now Gaza. It's painful to change very deep-seated beliefs, so the move from approval of Israeli policy to opposition has been wavering. One exposure to anti-Semitism or ignorant invective pushes me back into a defensive posture. But in any objective environment, I acknowledge I'm appalled by recent events. I can't support key elements in Israeli policy toward the Arabs since 1967.  I've come to see that I must not be ruled by fear.

This is a huge change for me. I believe that a similar change is happening within many other Jewish Americans and many other supporters of Israel. Perhaps Israelis themselves are experiencing a similar change (I don't know and haven't seen evidence of it), but in any case the shift within American supporters will have to affect Israel, and probably in the relatively short run. I think we're moving to a new day in the Middle East, with new realities, challenges, dangers, and opportunities. There is hope despite the trauma and grief.

The essential truth is one that Chris Bowers recently articulated. Neither Arabs nor Jews are going to leave the area. That means they have to figure out how to get along together on an equitable basis. Doesn't it?


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I'm Moved To Read This Entire Comment (0.00 / 0)
But most of all this:

I've come to see that I must not be ruled by fear.

Fear is the real enemy of us all.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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It doesn't happen quickly (0.00 / 0)
I can't speak with any great knowledge about Northern Ireland, but I know that it's better than when I was growing up.

There hasn't been a bomb in Britain since '95. I don't remember ever seeing a bomb disposal lorry in my (military base) home town since I was six - and I think that was a hoax.

But the Omagh bombing - the worst bombing ever in Northern Ireland - occurred several years after the ceasefire.

And a decade later, despite unheralded economic prosperity, it still matters whether you say Derry or Londonderry. There are still Union Jacks, Red Hand flags, Ulster flags and red, white and blue paving stones in more or less every small village (and the occasional nationalist equivalent in some working-class suburbs). It still isn't advised to move in to a Catholic neighbourhood if you're Protestant or vice versa (and even less so if you're neutral).

I expect to be coming back there in thirty years time and some of those signs will still be there. Hell, Sinn Fein and the DUP, the more extreme of the sectional parties, dominate the assembly there now. But they've had to moderate and hopefully Northern Ireland will too, as day-to-day life becomes more important than what your retarded ancestors did fifty years, or four hundred years, or even a millenium and a half ago.

Palestine's seen a sight more blood and a sight less investment in social services. Think of Northern Ireland as your best case scenario, and be grateful for small merices.

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And the devils will play it out... (4.00 / 1)
until everyone enabling them is exhausted and heart sick with personal guilt--like in Northern Ireland, I guess. That is when a path out of the nightmare may be found. In some strange way the devils that Bush was so happy to released in the Middle East, may burn themselves out, in an odd Shakespearian way.

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Your tone is so hopeful. I am moved to tears. (4.00 / 4)
Let's put it bluntly: The "pro-Israel" crowd is not pro-Israel at all.  They are pro their own narcassistic self-infatuation.  They do not love Israel any more than a stalker loves a celebrity.

It is hard to find, this sliver, but for those of us calling for sanity to return, it is a wonder to find.

Thank you Paul.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


It is important to note that... (4.00 / 5)
...one can be pro-Isreal and still condemn these actions by the Israeli government... That may be hard for some right wingers to understand, because it is no different than being a pro-America patriot while vigorously condemning and opposing the current president (for the next two days).

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Even Israel's shifting and changing "goals" and rationales are like Iraq -- (4.00 / 1)
it used to be "ending all Hamas rockets and preventing any more from getting in altogether"

I wonder if Israelis are buying it? (I'm sure Obama is -- he signed off on that Bush-Rice-Livni "agreement")


Polls say, yes! (4.00 / 1)
Haaretz reported that only about 4% of Israeli Jews were against the Gaza "war" (imho you can't really call such a one sided slaughtering a war). The Israelis seem to be more brainwashed than ever from their own propaganda. We can't expect any change from their side, any serious initiative has to come from outside, and this seems to be unlikely. Sry for not having a more optimistic answer, but wishful thinking wouldn't get us anywhere, too.

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i'd like to see polls on the "ceasefire" -- new ones -- (4.00 / 1)
will they be angry that they didn't get that soldier back, and that the rockets never stopped, and that Hamas is still in charge there?

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I am sure there will be one (4.00 / 1)
After more than 24 hours and Obama makes some statement.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

[ Parent ]
and their Election will show too what they think there -- (0.00 / 0)
esp if rockets are still falling then.

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here's something on Israeli opinion on the ceasefire (interesting but anecdotal) -- (0.00 / 0)

Gunfire ends but the debate in Israel begins: should we have pressed on?
Broad public support for assault on Gaza Strip leaves some Israelis believing the ceasefire is a mistake
-- http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

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Must be the same Israelis who support shooting kids in the head (4.00 / 5)
"I can't precisely decide whether these children are being shot at as a target, but in some cases the bullet comes from the front of the head and goes towards the back, so I think the gun has been directly pointed at the child."
...
One of the medical team leaders at the hospital, Dr Ayman Abd al-Hadi, said that this was the worst conflict he had experienced. "We've had one child with two bullets in the head and nowhere else," he said. "We think that this shows something."

He praised the medical teams in Gaza for managing to save so many lives despite a shortage of staff, supplies and equipment. "But only a very small percentage of children can survive bullet wounds to the head," he said. "If we see three children here who have survived bullet wounds to the head, there are probably 97 still in Gaza who have not."
...
"The tanks opened fire on the fourth storey," said Mr Abedrabo, as he watched over his niece in hospital. About 30 people were sheltering on the ground floor as the tanks began pounding the third floor; then the second; then the first.

"The house began to shake and we were terrified," he said. "The women and children were screaming as they thought the house was going to collapse.

"I speak Hebrew so I shouted to the Israelis. The officer said, 'Come out' so the women went first, waving a white flag. They opened fire from just 15 metres away. How could they not tell they were children? They could see them."

Three hours later, when a cousin arrived with Palestinian doctors, eight people remained in the house. At that point, Mr Abedrabo said, missiles fired by Israeli F16 jets destroyed what was left of the building, killing those still inside.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

If this would have happened in former Yugoslavia, the responsible officer would face prosecution at The Hague for this possible war crime. But since this "only" happened in Gaza, we can't be sure...


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Haaretz ticker reporting that Israelis are split on whether massacre "succeeded" (4.00 / 1)
http://haaretz.com/hasen/objec...

Most of those who say it didn't succeed are almost certainly against the ceasefire. They can soothe themselves with the reality that there remains no cease starvation - the Palestinians' "diet" (as Olmert advisor Dov Weisglass put it) continues. Maybe they can get that number of Palestinian children with stunted growth up from 20% to 25%.


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"41% of Israelis think Gaza op succeeded, equal number feel it failed" (4.00 / 1)
the failed number will go up, i bet.

That soldier was such a big deal too -- and where is he?

More journalists will be going into Gaza too -- we'll be seeing and reading tons more about what's gone on.


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we (the US) made them stop in 06, and now too i think -- (4.00 / 1)
the pattern is that we give them 3 weeks and then make them stop, i'd say. And they were open about the timing of this happening before the Inauguration -- and didn't want to start anything during the beginning of Obama -- they don't know him well enough.

So initiatives always are coming from outside -- and that's where the new and very open public and media dissent here comes in too -- and while we're bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc, Obama and State has to keep a lid on Israel, and Israel knows it.  


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their media strategy and propaganda totally failed worldwide too -- (4.00 / 3)
that's a very big deal -- a gigantic deal.

Shutting reporters out was horrendously bad strategy, and every picture from Gaza (and we saw far more than from us in Iraq, too) showed them to be lying in realtime.

So that will now change too.

Also, hitting the UN and the aid groups did them enormous damage -- there will be change as a result of what they did there too.


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Did not read this particular story yet (4.00 / 1)
But it is unique to the NYT only inasmuch as they are writing about a complex human being. Certainly the NYT often writes stories where the Palestinians are victims, for which you should have compassion. Taghreed al-Khodary has done this routinely.  

For every story like that, there is a story during this conflict with which the "pro-Israel" side could be very happy. Ethan Bronner wrote the story on Israeli public opinion and yesterday wrote a story about war crimes where the anti-war-crime side was given ample time to make their case.

I think the "pro-Israel" side feels pressure to be an advocate precisely because there is no advocate. That is a different dynamic from that of a stalker and a celebrity. It is more like the mindless electioneering of last year.

Without any more insight into the motives of members of AIPAC than that, part of why Zionism is important is similar to the Chinese sending rockets into space. It is not new to send rockets into space. But it is important that the Chinese be seen to have the capability to do it. Similarly it is important to have enough self-determination that Jews can take on the modern world as Jews without worrying about what "they" will say or fear. That is a reason to be attached to Israel which I can find much more natural than the appeals to fear and self-defense.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  


Of course there are advocates in the US (4.00 / 1)
But from the AIPAC point of view it is not good enough and you have to keep working the refs.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

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it's very telling that they weren't as effective in silencing dissent -- (4.00 / 2)
and also a good sign, i'd say.

In and outside the media, more people were outspoken -- especially in the Mainstream Media, even tho they print every single piece of Israeli propaganda still. Time magazine wouldn't have dared print that cover story in the past. And NYT ran more Gaza violence and destruction pics than they did of Iraq -- by far.


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Gaza-Iraq not proper axis (0.00 / 0)
Gaza-Lebanon proper axis.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

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Thanks for this diary. (4.00 / 2)
Unfortunately, I did not dare read the comments lest I find a human being somewhere who could actually apologize (read justify) the many killings of people, especially the children, that took place in Gaza during the turkey shoot, the massacre.  

27 comments right now (4.00 / 2)
and zero are what you feared.

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also, we did to Fallujah what Israel just did to Gaza -- (4.00 / 2)
and we never even heard about it -- and we told the same lies too --

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/mid...

much more at Cris Floyd -- http://empireburlesquenow.blog...

a recent post of his comparing the 2 -- http://chris-floyd.com/compone...


"head of Shin Bet - Israel's internal security service admitted that Tel Aviv has failed to achieve its goals " (4.00 / 1)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a... --

... Speaking at the end of the weekly Sunday cabinet meeting, head of Shin Bet - Israel's internal security service, - Yuval Diskin admitted that Tel Aviv has failed to achieve its goals, including disarming Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

"The operation did not deal an irreversible blow to the tunnel industry," said Diskin in an apparent reference to the tunnels Tel Aviv claims Hamas has been using to 'smuggle' into the Gaza Strip.

The senior official added that Hamas could still rearm itself within months.
...



It sad that two so similar peoples (4.00 / 2)
are so hateful of each other.

Jews and Arabs are very similar genetically; their religions are practically identical, they have other common cultural values, similar languages, and an economic interest in peace...

This is a strange mixture of colonial war and civil war... very sad.


we're cousins historically-- but (4.00 / 2)
Jewish people don't actually have a language. Only Israelis have a language. (and Muslims have more than one too)

All thru history, Muslims have been good to Jewish people on the whole. (It's Christians and Catholics who haven't.)

Our religions aren't practically identical either. I'd say Islam and Christianity might be more similar -- they both grew out of ours and changed tons of things and added tons too.

Israel was founded by European (Ashkenazi) Jews, who aren't as genetically similar to Arabs as Sephardic Jews are. (the vast majority of Jewish people worldwide are Ashkenazi)

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Ha ha, Paul is finally motivated. :-) (0.00 / 1)
Glad to see that the fire I lit under your ass Paul -- from my now deleted/hidden comment -- has got you to step up and start telling it like it is, as opposed to the hemming and hawing I saw in your comments last month over this issue.

It's disappointing for me to know that it takes my acid criticism to get you to do your job as a so-called liberal Paul. Because I don't really have time to do your job for you. And as you can see, when Jews don't stand up and criticize Israel when it counts, it costs lives, innocent lives, as it did in this case.  Remember that.

Keep up the good work, and don't make me come back here to bust your ass again, because rest assured important people read my comments, long before you boys have a chance to hide them.  :-)

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Non-political routes towards cooperative existence (4.00 / 2)
This is a bit off topic, but... Running with the idea that fostering some sort of identity that transcends disparate historical and ethnic ones could facilitate an eventual political accommodation, I thought I'd suggest the following.

For music lovers, the West-Eastern Divan Workshop and Orchestra and the Barenboim-Said Foundation function to cement some sort of common identity or mutual respect. I wonder if there is any analogous movement which fosters scientific cooperation between Jews and Palestinians, particularly focusing on problems of mutual survival? For the Middle East, one key problem that leaps to mind is water desalination, since I don't think there's enough groundwater, streams, etc. to well supply much of the current population.

Even if there was perfect harmony in the Middle East today, it's not exactly brain surgery to predict that water resource wars would eventually develop, anyhow. So, even as a prophylactic, so to speak, cooperative projects make a lot of sense. Creating a change of attitude that could facilitate peaceful resolution of pre-existing conflicts would be a very nice bonus, even if it's not guaranteed....

Finally, I'm sure Klaatu would agree that it's worth a shot. :-)

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pictures of dead children (0.00 / 0)
Paul,

Pat Lang's site, Sic Semper Tyrannis (http://www.turcopolier.typepad.com/), has pictures of dead children sent in from a reader's colleague in Egypt.  This is different from either the NY Times or even Al-Jazeera-English pictures, where they're not all neatly wrapped up for burial.

This is a gross form of propaganda war.  But as the Israelis say un-censored pictures from Gaza could hurt the Israeli cause.  They are right.  I couldn't bring myself to look at them all.

One way to wage the fight is to find ways to get the uncensored pictures to the other progressive blogs.

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