Contraceptives And The Stimulus Plan--Yes, It's A Big Deal

by: Paul Rosenberg

Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 09:00


This is a follow-up to "Dems About To Collapse On Contraceptives In Stimulus Plan???". According to Elana Schor at TPMDC, "Family Planning Aid is Gone For Good From the Stimulus".  True or not, we need to fully realize just how bad this is, so we understand the parameters that Obama is operating within.  Hopefully they can and will be changed, but we cannot be effective in changing them if we don't understand them--particularly if we will fully mis-understand them.  First off, Robert in Monterrey, aka "Eugene" had an excellent recommended diary at DKos yesterday, "This Is Not Acceptable", hitting three main points at the crux of the matter:

Why does this battle matter? First, contraception is economic stimulus. Family planning is necessary for American families of all incomes to enjoy financial stability and the ability to plan expenses. If you have an "oops baby" then your finances may suffer severely and unwantedly.

Second, this is a conservative effort to destroy the Obama Administration in the womb. If Obama caves, as now appears likely, then Republicans will have won a truly major victory. They never had a chance to stop the stimulus, but now they will have shown they can dictate some of its terms. They were active in pushing their bullshit talking points to the media - flawed as they were. If Obama is going to cater to their whims, we know from the Bush era how this story ends - Republicans will make more crazy demands, and Democrats will give in to them.

Third, this is part of the conservative effort to attack not just abortion rights, but contraception and the right to privacy. What they have done, and what Obama is about to enable, is something rather stunning - they have made contraception controversial. Sure, some of us might have felt a bit sheepish the first time we bought condoms or picked up the pill at the pharmacy, but we got over it, because it's not controversial or shameful but normal.

Not to the conservatives. They never wanted to stop at rolling back Roe v. Wade - they want to roll back anything smacking of sexual freedom. Griswold v. Connecticut is their true goal, the 1967 case that outlawed bans on contraception and established the right to privacy. If they are going to have a chance at rolling that back, they have to make contraception controversial. And if we are to stop them, we must not yield an inch to them - we must stand up and say "no, you lost, and we are keeping contraception funding."

As dday observes at Hullabaloo, Obama is sacrificing "what works" for conservative ideology.

Paul Rosenberg :: Contraceptives And The Stimulus Plan--Yes, It's A Big Deal
In an update to his diary, Robert/Eugene noted:

dhonig has offered some valuable links showing that yes, this IS economic stimulus, including a Brookings Institution study showing the economic value of such funding.

The study, Reducing Unplanned Pregnancies through Medicaid Family Planning Services (PDF) by Melissa S. Kearney and Phillip B. Levine is worth quoting from to further elucidate what's going on here.

First, the abstract, which describes an economic analysis of the very program for which funding is being sacrificed.

Abstract

This brief describes a recent analysis of the impacts of state policies that expanded eligibility for Medicaid family planning services to women who do not meet regular Medicaid eligibility criteria. The results of this research show that these expanded eligibility policies had a significant impact on reducing unplanned births. The effect on birth rates was largest for women ages 18 to 24. Data on individual behavior confirms that this reduction in births was achieved through increased use of contraception among sexually-active women. The authors estimate the policy cost of preventing an unwanted birth to be around $6,800. They conclude that this is a cost-effective policy intervention relative to other policies and programs targeted at reducing teen and unwanted births.

The authors cannot identify a benefit figure they have confidence in, but express confidence that it would exceed $6,800. That seems staggeringly obvious.

Next, from the introduction, a snapshot overview of the problem and program:

Introduction

There is widespread consensus among the American public that rates of teen pregnancy and unintended pregnancies to young, unmarried women are too high. Approximately 30 percent of teenage girls in the United States become pregnant and 20 percent give birth by age 20. Increasingly, policy makers and advocacy groups are recognizing that the high rate of unintended pregnancy among unmarried women in their twenties is also a major social issue. Half of all pregnancies in the United States are reported by the mother as being unintended. More than one-third of these (1.1 million pregnancies in 2001) are to unmarried women in their twenties. The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy estimates that these pregnancies accounted for nearly half of the 1.3 million abortions in 2001. Rates of teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancy are higher among young unmarried women, lower income women, women with lower levels of education, and minority women.

....Twenty-six states since 1993 have been granted waivers by the federal government to expand eligibility for Medicaid coverage of family planning services to women who would not otherwise qualify for the program. We examine the impact of this policy on service take-up, birth rates, sexual activity, and contraceptive use. Our results indicate that expanding eligibility to women at higher levels of income (above the traditional Medicaid eligibility level) reduced overall birth rates among women age 18-19 and 20-24 by 7 percent and 5 percent, respectively. The policy led to a 15 percent decline in births among just those 20-24 year old women made newly eligible for family planning coverage.

Going into more detail about the program:

Medicaid Family Planning Services

Medicaid is currently the largest source of public funding for family planning services in the United States. It funded $1.3 billion in family planning expenditures in 2006, 70.6 percent of total public expenditures. Medicaid family planning expenditures have more than doubled since 1994, with the increase driven largely by the waiver expansion policies described in this brief. The Medicaid program has provided comprehensive access to family planning services to its clients since 1972. But the stringent eligibility requirements to receive Medicaid have meant that in general only mothers who received welfare had access to these services. A series of expansions in the 1980s extended Medicaid eligibility for pregnancy-related care to childless women who met state income eligibility requirements; these services include family planning services for 60 days post-partum.

Since the early 1990s, the federal government has granted states waivers to provide coverage of family planning services to women who do not otherwise qualify for Medicaid. All such waivers require states to offer the full range of family planning services it offers to its regular Medicaid recipients to the additional population targeted. States have implemented their waiver policies in different ways, but the expanded services have generally applied to the following groups of women: (1) women whose pregnancy-related care, including post-partum family planning, would otherwise expire; (2) women who would lose their Medicaid eligibility status for any reason; and (3) women whose income is below a specified income threshold (typically 185% or 200% of the federal poverty threshold), but above the eligibility threshold for the state's regular Medicaid program, regardless of whether they meet the categorical requirement of having a child or being pregnant. Waiver policies that extend eligibility to this third group are the most far-reaching in terms of potential population affected.

Rather than a waiver system, the stimulus bill funding would have extended funding to all states at a time when state budget shortages are virtually universal, particularly Medicare funding.  Without the guaranteed assurance that this money will be forthcoming, it is highly likely that these programs will not be budgeted for by states, many of which need to know what federal funds will be available by Presidents' Day, according to a legislative specialist at the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Following their analysis, the authors conclude:

Conclusion
Our research shows that expanding Medicaid family planning coverage to women at higher levels of income has had a significant impact on reducing unplanned births. Increased use of contraception appears to explain the decline. We estimate that the cost of preventing an unwanted birth is around $6,800. Based on our reading of the evidence regarding the effectiveness of other interventions designed to reduce unwanted births, this seems like a relatively cost-effective policy intervention.

Beyond the cost-effectiveness of this policy, our results also raise the possibility that family planning waivers may have improved women's outcomes more broadly. If women are better able to control their fertility, new life options may present themselves. For instance, educational attainment and labor market outcomes might improve for women who delay childbearing or have fewer children. Future research should explore this issue.

In a diary at Hullabaloo, Post-Partisan Pain, dealing with the inclusion of ineffectual tax cuts, as well as the exclusion of mortgage bankruptcy reform and contraceptive funding, dday writes:

The report is that Obama personally called Henry Waxman, who has jurisdiction over the provision, and told him to ditch it. So now we're listening to Republicans who have no imagination and don't understand the economy. Family planning is a demand-based service that requires staffing. That means jobs. Jobs that now won't be created or will be eliminated by the states because it makes Republicans feel icky.

Then there's the mortgage provisions which Democrats would like to put in the stimulus bill that would allow homeowners to get their principle reduced by a bankruptcy judge, but which Obama wants out of it because big business and their Republican puppets might get mad at him. And once again, the President is prevailing....

The stimulus isn't a horrible bill, and there's a lot to like in there, particularly in the energy and health care provisions. But it's certainly Chamber of Commerce-friendly at a time when their member organizations are laying off tens of thousands. Obama has maintained this sugar plum fairy vision of bipartisanship, yet his bill manifestly does NOT value "what works" over ideology. Quite the opposite. It makes room for ideology, conservative ideology, and pre-empts provisions that would work much better in bringing back the economy. Despite a mandate for major new social and economic programs from the public, Obama is still playing small ball. He's responding to Republican hissy fits and teaching them that all they have to do to wring a concession is scream for a day or so and let their media allies whip up a frenzy. He's offering half-measures when they won't do the job.

If this bill is a blueprint for the next four years, it's going to be a missed opportunity. Also painful.

Oh, and that mandate dday mentioned?  He links to the Center for American Progress, which generated the following charts from a WaPo/ABC poll I mentioned the weekend before the inauguration:

Instead of bringing us the full-throated change the American people are ready for--including, rather obviously a good chunk of independents and Republicans, Obama is tethering himself to the failed policies of the past in ludicrous charade with figures who are political powerless, except for the power which he is giving them.

Let's review. Obama says he wants to ignore labels and just do "what works".  But the GOP positions he's adopted--including business tax cuts in place of transit funding, excluding mortgage bankruptcy reform, and excluding funding for contraceptives--do not work.  He is blatantly violating his campaign pledge, in order to make it appear as if the GOP is being reasonable, rational, pragmatic, and solution-oriented, when they are not.  And he is making Democrats appear ideologically rigid, when they are the ones who are actually being reasonable, rational, pragmatic, and solution-oriented.

There are four courses of action that Obama could have pursued:

    (1) Insisted on solutions that work, and rejected the GOP "solutions" right out front, explaining why they don't work.

    (2) Insisted on solutions that work, and welcomed a fact-based debate, using his bully pulpit to make sure that the entire nation came to understand that the GOP "solutions" don't work, before rejected them.

    (3) Insisted on solutions that work, and welcomed a fact-based debate, letting 1-day Congressional committee hearings clearly establish that the GOP "solutions" don't work, then using his bully pulpit to explain what just happened, and to make sure that the entire nation came to understand that the GOP "solutions" don't work.

    (4) Continue using the rhetoric of seeking to do "what works" and falsely adopting failed GOP policies under that rubric.

Any one of #s 1, 2 or 3 would have kept his campaign promise, and would have been acceptable to me.  Instead, he did #4.  And, indeed, this is what I've been warning would happen with him all along.  He is using his framing of "what works" to restore legitimacy to a failed ideology and its failed policies, while undermining and opposing the policies and positions of those who supported him, policies and positions that work.

This is not "change we can believe in."  This is just more of the same brain-dead Dick Morris triangulation BS, acting as if the last election was 1994, not 2008.  One can call it "the higher Clintonism", perhaps, because it transforms political compromise on bad terms from a survival strategy into a matter of high principle.

The sooner we recognize it for what it is, and reject it, the better for all concerned.

Not least of all, Barack Obama.


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I'm really hoping this is just a token sop to muffle the wingers (4.00 / 1)
and that the expanded family planning (which is really just dealing with waivers anyway) is run through as a separate bill or as part of a broader health and human services bll after the stimulus passes.

And strategically it could make sense...Can you imagine a filibuster over contraception?  Talk about marginalizing yourselves.

But we still have a lot of framing to do and we need to take back the debate on family planning by the midterms.  


Agree (4.00 / 1)
Contraceptive funding will be harder to nitpick as part of a broader health-care package. IMO, that's where it belongs anyway. If Dems aren't able to hold to their guns on the issue when it's part of a health-care bill, then health-care reform is completely doomed anyway.

So, passing contraceptive funding is important, but it's not, IMO, important that it passes as part of this particular bill.

More broadly, there's really no need to compromise with Republicans in the house at all. Just make the best bill that can get 60 votes in the senate. If it doesn't work, they're not going to be willing to share the blame either way. Bi-partisan cover plus a penny buys you a mechanical pony ride. Might as well take this opportunity to kick them in the nuts and show them how much they don't matter.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


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ditto (0.00 / 0)
people can compromise to get things passed. it happens all the time.  

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hmm (4.00 / 4)
Yes, I can imagine republicans filibustering a bill for contraception. I have absolutely no doubt about it. If they can get all up in arms over a very small part of a bill that actually helps out people, it does not seem to be a reach for them to filibuster anything else.

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They don't have the votes (0.00 / 0)
The handful of nominally pro-choice Republican senators wouldn't participate. Getting to 60+ would be easy. It's not like EFCA which is 99% partisan.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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I doubt they would (0.00 / 0)

  Abortion is a legitimately divisive issue, and still an effective Republican wedge. But contraception is a problem only to the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts, the true bottom-feeders. In fact, many abortion opponents point to contraception as a way to avoid abortion.

  Let 'em filibuster.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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And yet they managed to (4.00 / 3)
get it cut?

Abortion is not actually a divisive issue. A majority of Americans believe it should be safe, legal, and a private matter. Yet the wingnuts have kept us tied up in knots over it, for a generation, because they just don't quit and they never give in.

It is a huge mistake to let them move the goalposts this far back, to contraception.

Montani semper liberi


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It's Nothing New, However (4.00 / 3)
It's always been about state control of women's bodies, and they've always opposed contraception, just as they oppose sex-ed, because that puts power in the wrong hands--women's.

Just a little over 3 years ago, I wrote a related diary at MyDD, "Forced Childbirth--What The Data Says", which used GSS data to show that anti-abortion attitudes correlated with anti-sex ed and anti-contraceptive attitudes. After presenting the data, I wrote:

Obviously, if the aim was to prevent abortions, those who are anti-abortion would tend to favor sex ed and birth control--at least as much as those who are pro-choice. But, in fact, they tend to oppose them more often on a consistent basis.  This is true both for abortions where choice is most salient, and where it is not.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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They don't want to prevent abortions (4.00 / 1)
They want to prevent sex.  They are anti-sex.  They believe sex is wrong and dirty and want to inflict this belief on everyone else by making the consequences too severe.

Republicans can't fix our country; they're too busy saddlebacking.

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That's where you slam them with the framing (4.00 / 3)
A republican filibuster over contraception -- which would hold up the business of the people in a time of economic crisis -- would be an opportunity to reframe the debate on family planning and reproductive health.  It would highlight a sane, responsible, evidence-based "centrist" approach vs. fringe ideology -- moves the debate right back to the realm of pragmatism and professional knowledge where it should be.

Plus, Spector, Snowe and Collins probably wouldn't support the filibuster.  


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Why not do it now? (4.00 / 2)
Let them blow up the stimulus over contaception.

Then pause, wait for them to realise how much they've fucked up (and hope that they pick Vitter as their point-man on this) and ram a stimulus through with all their pet projects taken out.

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Sigh. (4.00 / 3)
Hard to know where to begin with this one.  For starters, the idea that contraception=stimulus because unwanted pregnancies put families under financial stress is ..well...wrong.  As crappy as the situation is for the family, the fact that people are spending money on diapers and Gerber apple sauce rather than saving for retirement is actually BETTER as a booster of aggregate demand.  Crappy social policy but good economics.

The argument for including family planning in the stimulus was the savings it would provide to states by reducing health care costs down the road.  But the CBO estimates that those savings won't really kick in for at least 3 years.  Which is why Obama and the Democrats agreed to take it out of the bill.

Now, because this IS good social policy (if not good stimulus policy), it would be worrisome if the Dems were rejecting it completely.  But they're not; they just want to separate it from the current bill and pass it a little later.   Funding contraceptives through a stimulus bill and not an HHS appropriation isn't exactly the reason why women marched and burned their bras.


First, the bra burning thing is a myth (4.00 / 2)
for the most part.  In addition, women fought for their right to vote and own property throughout the 19th century and into the 20th century.  The women's movement did not start in teh 1960s.  

Second, contraception is not a "women's issue."  It is both a male and female issue.

Finalaly, I agreed with much of what you said.  It would have been a much better comemnt had you left out the last sentence.

I would have preferred that the Dems not have givn in on this, but it's not a big deal if they pass it later.  Obama took away a sound bite issue from the Rs.  


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I'm aware of the historical timeline (4.00 / 3)
I was just trying to make the point that this isn't about the betrayal of women or progressives more generally- it's just a procedural issue, and secondarily, an issue of what really counts as economic stimulus.  

The latter is important if for no other reason than this: if progressives are going to (rightly) oppose the inclusion of, say, business tax-cuts in the stimulus on the grounds that they won't help the economic recovery, they can't turn around and defend the inclusion of something non-stimulative, however desirable the policy.  I really want Don't Ask Don't Tell repealed, but intellectual honesty requires me to admit that it's repeal has nothing to do with economic recovery.  


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I agreed with that general point, (4.00 / 1)
which is why I would have preferred you said it that way.  No big deal.  My problem was just with the last sentence and we all write things quickly here at times.

To the extent that people argue that this was a betrayal of women, this miss the point that contraception is not just a woman's issue.  Perhaps you were responding to their poor formulation of the issue.


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The misogynistic framing is, though, a woman's issue, and the concession (4.00 / 3)
to it is mitigated but not erased by a second bill. The sexual shame expressed in Boehner's notion that condoms are somehow inherently laughable certainly cuts both ways, gender-wise. It may be a soundbite, but a soundbite is only useful and resonant if it taps into something larger, in this case that something larger is sexual anxieties that women do pay for in day to day experience. And family planning employs a significantly larger proportion of women than the creation of infrastructure.

 


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Yes. But it also is (4.00 / 2)
an important "woman's issue" for men to see contraception as not just a woman's issue.  

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So, So Wrong (4.00 / 2)
The contraceptive spending will be immediate.  The spending on unwanted pregnancies will be spread out over a long period of time.

Spending that's immediate which saves money in the long run is precisely what Obama says we need.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Bad economics (4.00 / 2)
Sure, the money spent on contraception will be spent immediately.  By that standard, you could just as easily argue for spending $800 Billion on toothpaste; that spending would be immediate too, just as the savings in dental costs would be long-tern.  

What matters for the economists is THE MULTIPLIER, and the speed with which it takes effect.  That's what separates useful from non-useful deficit spending.  It's not much more complicated than that.


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Toothpaste is far different ... (0.00 / 0)
Than a child's (and the mother's) healthcare costs.

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So You Think There's No Multiplier Involved In Buying Toothpaste? (4.00 / 1)
The more you write, the less you know.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I agree (4.00 / 1)
this is a classic "the sky is falling" diary. Family planning funding should and will be taken care of in the health care bill. Another case of Obama playing chess and most everyone else is playing checkers. The Repugs only marginalized themselves more by picking on this part of the package and by Obama cutting it out of the bailout makes him look like he's truly trying to be bi-partisan.

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And we can be sure we'll get a health care bill this year? (4.00 / 2)
There's no guarantee of that, or of anything else. Obviously women's interests are going to be first on the table when the goal is to get bipartisan support, which he isn't getting anyway, for a really important bill.

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Screwing the horticulturalists too! (0.00 / 0)
How else to interpret his pathetic capitulation on the issue of the National Mall?

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0.0024% of the $825 billion (4.00 / 2)
were to go toward revamping the National Mall.

That's pretty small potatoes, no?

But, $20,000,000 buys alot of flowers and pays more than a few folks to plant them.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Some Folks Just Don't Find Grass That Stimulating (4.00 / 2)
What do they know?



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If they don't care for grass, maybe some art and culture (4.00 / 2)
will stimulate them?  Of course, Jerry Lewis (R- CA)doesn't see the value in directing $50,000,000 to the National Endowment for the Arts, either.

"I'm scratching my head trying to determine how items like $50 million in funding for the National Endowment for the Arts will create jobs or provide relief for families across the country," Lewis said.

Full article: http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/2...

Thing is, funds distributed via the NEA (or whatever agency oversees gronds-keeping at the Mall) will get into the general economy very quickly because the mechanisms for disbursement are already in place and those recieving the stimulous are itching to spend the money. Very much different than the "trickle-down" notion (which never seems to actually trickle down, anyway) that corporate tax-cuts are based on, or the TARP hand-outs that many banks simply sat on.

Besides, don't artists have families too?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Lewis Is A Crook (4.00 / 1)
It bears remembering that Lewis is a crook, and only escaped prosecution because of the US Attorneys scandal.  Not one, but two US Attorneys were canned in order to protect him from prosecution shortly after Duke Cunningham was exposed.

So the notion of him objecting to any sort of federal spending as not being in the public interest, just has to fall into one of two categories:

(1) Coffee all over the keyboard.
(2) Coffee all over the monitor.

Take your pick.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Agreed (4.00 / 3)
Yet, there he sits, flapping his gums in the Public Square.

The underlying point is this: while the GOPpers are able to paint the inclusion of funds for NEA, or Family Planning, or re-sodding, as an example of how the "left" is introjecting politics into the stimulus bill by directing funds (in relatively nominal amounts) toward their "pet projects", once you step back and see the larger picture it becomes clear that the GOPpers are cherry-picking these "issues" to score points with their base while trying to water down the bill with the non-stimulating tax cuts.

I may be wrong, but from my perspective, by conceding to the GOPpers and removing these projects from the bill, President Obama and the Congressional Democrats are also conceding the larger (and invalid) point that such are merely "pet projects" of the left, rather than the kind of direct economic stimulus that is needed.

Note: as far as I know, funding for the NEA is still in the bill.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Not even a deal (4.00 / 5)
This is bad and unneccesary but let's look at what's missing.  Does Obama have a large number of pledged Republican votes in exchange for his cave-in?  Not a one.  This is not a negotiation nor is it a trade.  It is just surrender.

Surrender is ingrained in the Democrats' DNA (4.00 / 4)
 
 The Democrats are the party of excuses for waving the white flag.

The excuse in 2001 was "We need to give Bush a chance."

The excuse in 2003 was "Bush is a popular wartime presdient."

The excuse in 2005 was "Bush has a mandate."

The excuse in 2007 was "We just don't have the votes."

The excuse in 2009 is "We have to look bipartisan."

Every cycle, there's always an excuse.

Let's face it -- our leadership is just not all that into us, the public.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


Not what Republicans give (4.00 / 2)
It is what Obama takes.  So far, he has taken nothing from this, so we'll see.  If he can use this to embarrass the Republicans who don't vote for the stimulus package it might be worth it.  If he can use this and the other concessions to form a coalition with a handful of Republicans who will join the Democrats on the big, difficult bills still pending, it will be worth it.

But the two easiest Republicans to peal away permanently are the women from Maine.  Where do they stand on birth control?  Did Obama check with them, first?  My guess is this was not the best choice, even if it was the most public.


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Don't forget whitehouse.gov (0.00 / 0)
"President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. To send questions, comments, concerns, or well-wishes to the President or his staff, please use the form below:"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/cont...


this is crazy (0.00 / 0)
we should be beating the press over the head for perpetuating, supporting and echoing right wing talking points that are illogical and unsound...not beating up obama for being against contraceptives.

Yglesias and even Marshall make more sense than the 'outrage' spewed here at OL.


What Part of "Bully Pulpit" Don't You Understand? (4.00 / 3)
Seriously?

As long as Obama validates the wingnuts what the hell do you expect the media to do?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What exactly is he "validating"??? (4.00 / 1)
Have you heard a single Republican in the last couple days say that family planning is bad? That contraception is bad? I haven't.  What I've heard them saying is basically this:  whatever the merits of this policy, it doesn't have anything to do with job creation and thus shouldn't be part of the stimulus.  The only argument Obama is "validating" by his "capitulation" on this issue is that one.  

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Uh, healthcare spending absolutely is job creation, (4.00 / 3)
and by some estimates would be a faster way to infuse cash into the economy than infrastructure. How the heck did you come to decide that healthcare jobs aren't real jobs?

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missing the point (4.00 / 1)
It's not just about "creating jobs".  If it was that simple, we could spend the entire $800 paying people dig holes in the ground.  As I just wrote in a comment above: the difference between good stimulus and bad stimulus is the size of the multiplier.  Will the jobs created lead to increased output down the road.  In the case of digging holes in the ground- no.  In the case of family planning jobs - yes, insofar as states will save money by reducing unwanted pregnancies.  BUT, as the CBO report makes clear, that savings will only accrue after several years.  Thus, as stimulus goes, this isn't a good way to go.


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You're UTTERLY Confused (4.00 / 1)
Reducing unwanted pregnancies has nothing to do with the economic multiplier.  It's a completely different sort of economic benefit.  And the CBO analysis does not get into multipliers.

A Marc Ambinder notes ("Scoring The CBO Score Of The House Democrats' Stimulus Plan"):

the CBO does not score these proposals dynamically, which means that they don't include the multiplier effects that Obama's economic advisers use to tout it.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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HOW confused? (4.00 / 1)
"Supporters of the measure point to an estimate by the Congressional Budget Office that, by the third year of implementation, the measure would actually save $100 billion per year by preventing some pregnancies and avoiding the Medicaid cost of delivering and then caring for these babies. During the first three years, the cost and savings are negligible, the CBO said."

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/...


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That's NOT A Multiplier Effect (4.00 / 1)
That's in addition to multiplier effects.

Multiplier effects come from a dollar spent by the government leading to spending by those who get that dollar.  The multiplier is low for tax cuts because they tend to be used to pay off debts (on the low end) or make investments (on the high end) rather than being spent on consumption.  

Reducing costs are a different kind of economic benefit.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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yes. and in this example.. (0.00 / 0)
..."those who get the dollar" are the states.  by lowering overall medical costs, family planning increases the marginal propensity (of states) to consume.  WHICH IN TURN INCREASES THE MULTIPLIER.  this is why funding for condoms is better than funding for klonkide bars.  the only problem being, it takes 3 years to kick in.



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Debating Wingnuts 101 (4.00 / 1)
"Repeating a lie does not make it true."  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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If oxmaster had a wife or girlfriend . . . (4.00 / 5)
he would appreciate the fact that the pill costs something like $40/month, and if you are a woman you have to pay for it every month for roughly 30-35 years of your life. Of course insurance doesn't cover it, because it's not like it's viagra or something important!


Montani semper liberi

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The GOP Says "Tax Cuts Good" "Spending Bad" --And Obama Says "They've Got A Point" (4.00 / 4)
The GOP equates tax cuts with economic stimulus, despite the fact that they are generally inferior--and the tax cuts they like the most tend to be the most inferior of all.  Obama doesn't challenge that.

The GOP attacks contraceptives, saying that has nothing to do with economic stimulus.  But government spending is government spending is government spending, and it's all inherently stimulative, though some is more stimulative than others, and some kicks in faster than others.  Health care spending is both stimulative and quick, which is precisely what's needed.

The fact that you don't understand this is, in part, a direct consequence of the fact that Obama--and the rest of the Dems, following his lead--have not been directly challenging the Republicans.

Thus, your objection is proving my point.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The only thing this is proving (0.00 / 0)
is that only one of us took notes in macro.  But I'll give you points that Spending = Spending = Spending proof you just unveiled there.  It has the virtue of simplicity, if nothing else.

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From Arguments To Insults In One Quick Step (0.00 / 0)
Boy, that didn't take long!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Only because insults are my last resort (0.00 / 0)
After all, were I to continue my objections, I would only end up further proving your point!

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What you fail to understand (0.00 / 0)
is that their is a huge shortage of health care workers in the U.S. Right now we are in need of over 100,00 nurses, so though this may create jobs, their are not qualified people to fill these jobs.

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...


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Uh, from that LAT piece: (4.00 / 1)
"The worsening economy has sparked interest in the program among mid-career workers who have lost their jobs to downsizing or are seeking stable work. The field also attracts immigrants who worked in a health profession in their home countries."


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Yes, but (0.00 / 0)
the problem is that it then creates immigration problems trying to get them legal status. How long will that take? I'm all for funding family planning but if the money put aside for it can't be immediately put to use because of lack of trained workers, then I think it's best to put this money where workers can be immediately put to work.

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What Proof Do You Have??? (4.00 / 2)
Nursing shortages have been with us for quite some time.  This results in less than optimal care in many hospital settings.  But distributing contraceptives is not necessarily constrained by the overall shortage of nurses, and, indeed, I've never seen this argument made before.  Do you have any evidence that there's an actual limit here?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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This piece also significantly pre-dates recent state Medicaid cuts, (4.00 / 1)
which you are conveniently ignoring.

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what i understand is that we are limited (4.00 / 1)
and taking on the obama bully pulpit is a waste of time and resources.

there are better ways to get the message out than attacking the 'most famous person in the world' and you are smart enough to come up with a few.


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A matter of perspective (4.00 / 1)
You claim that this diary "attacks" President Obama, whereas I see it as "pushing" him.

I disagree that the use of a bully pulpit by the "most famous person in the world" is a waste of time. Do you think that Obama's high approval (and low negatives) will last forever? NOW is the time for him to get on the pulpit, before he fritters away the opportunity.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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So limited (4.00 / 5)
For some people, there's never a right time. Screw that.

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Easier written than done... (0.00 / 0)
I agree with your sentiment but not your approach.

If Obama choses any of the first three courses of action he will be seen as acting on a "mandate".

Bully pulpits backfire. The two Bushes and Clinton learned this.


Why do you think we call it (4.00 / 6)
political "capital?" If you invest in things that make life better for regular people, and yes, women are regular people, your political power increases.

If you fritter it away playing kumbaya with the people who don't really care about regular people (ie Republicans, the media), it decreases.

Montani semper liberi


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Standing ovation (4.00 / 2)
Yes. Make life better for regular people. What a novel idea. It almost sounds like the founding principle of the Democratic Party, buried now in almost 50 years of right wing manure. Thank you for reminding us that nothing gives us the courage of our convictions like remembering what our convictions are.

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When did GWB ever have a bully pulpit? (4.00 / 1)
Certainly not in 2000, when he was still trying to gain legitimacy for his questionable electoral "victory".

I don't think that eking out a victory in 2004 gave him a bully pulpit, either. Sure, GWB claimed to have political capital, but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Maybe you are refering to Sept. 12, 2001 when the US had the sympathy of the world to support him, but I don't think that blowing all that political capital on an ill-advised and possibly illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq is quite the same thing as "back-firing".

I don't recall Bush I using any kind of bully pulpit, but I really had a hard time not falling asleep when that dude gave a speech, so I might have missed it.

With Clinton you may have point. He did have political capital and he did try to preach from a pulpit. However, I'm not sure that giving in to his desire for oral sex in the Oval Office and being hounded by Congressional Republicans and their media hound dogs constitutes "back-firing", either.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Arguments like this make me grumpy (4.00 / 5)
What I mean, of course, is the economic arguments. Yes, for all the reasons Paul enumerates, this has the potential to be a much more effective economic stimulus than its trivializers would have us believe. (And contrary to oxmaster's snark, subsidizing the consumption of toothpaste would hardly do as well, unless we bought it at Costco in 55 gallon drums.) That isn't the principal reason, however, why we should defend family planning aid with bared fangs.

I'm with Digby on this one. First of all there's the issue of power. Exposure to the derision of wingnuts was never a good reason not to do anything, and it's even less so now. What we need to do is to inflict an utterly humiliating and public defeat on them on ground of their own choosing. This will not only keep them muttering in corners for the next hundred days, but will cow them for the rest of Obama's term. For the next four years, he'll only have to raise the lash to send them cringing, which should save him the tedious task of actually using it, and allow us to get on with the people's business without so many irrelevant distractions.

Second, there's what both Digby and Paul point out as the real wingnut agenda here, which is yet again to remind everyone that women are property, and to forestall the idea that the purpose of restoring the economy has anything to do with restoring the economic independence of the middle class, or enhancing its ability to make its own choices free of the hierarchies of wealth or religious orthodoxy. We shouldn't allow them to get away with this, especially not now, when we already have them cornered.


Ah yes, (4.00 / 2)
but you have to admit, letting them out of the corner, and giving them the lash to hold in their own hands, just because this time we can trust them, I'm sure! does add a certain drama to the proceedings. A certain, predictable sort of drama.

Montani semper liberi

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Devil's advocacy withdrawn (0.00 / 0)
Evidence that unplanned births decrease presented.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

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