Joss Whedon's Dollhouse

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Feb 14, 2009 at 23:07


Last night was the series premier of Joss Whedon's new tv series, Dollhouse, a typically complex, morally ambiguous, multi-genre pastiche about... well, I'll let Wikipedia do the honors:

In Dollhouse, Eliza Dushku plays a young woman called Echo, a member of a group of people known as "Actives" or "Dolls." The Dolls have had their personalities wiped clean so they can be imprinted with any number of new personas, including memory, muscle memory, skills, and language, for different assignments. They're then hired out for particular jobs, crimes, fantasies, and occasional good deeds. On missions, Actives are monitored internally (and remotely) by Handlers. In between tasks, they are mind-wiped into a child-like state and live in a futuristic dormitory/laboratory, a hidden facility nicknamed "The Dollhouse." The story follows Echo, who begins, in her mind-wiped state, to become self-aware.[3][4]

Beyond Dushku's character, the show also revolves around the people who run the mysterious "Dollhouse" and two other "Dolls," Victor and Sierra, who are friendly with Echo (the names are simply letters in the phonetic alphabet). Although the Actives are ostensibly volunteers, the operation is highly illegal and under constant threat on one end from Paul Ballard, a determined federal agent who has heard a rumor about the Dolls, and an insane rogue Active on the other.[4]  

Heather Havrilesky writes about it at Salon here. And Salon also has an interview with Joss Whedon here.  And I have a few thoughts of my own on the flip as I invite any other fans to weigh in as well.

Paul Rosenberg :: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
First off, of course, I hope this show survives.  Fox prematurely axed both Whedon's last series Firefly, and writer and producer Tim Minear's last two series, including The Inside which has thematic similarities with Dollhouse as well as with Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

And what are those thematic similarities?  The struggle for--and against--self awareness and self-definition, to begin with. Both Buffy and Rebecca Locke, the young female protagonist in The Inside have hidden powers within, and both series are, in one sense, stories about drawing those powers out into world, out into the light.  The same dynamic is at work in this series, clearly, but in a different form.

Echo is another young female protagonist, slightly older than either of the other two, but younger, too, in a way, because she has virtually no identity at first.  She is almost an unprogrammed android.

The complexity of the relationship between good and evil, is another thematic similarity: The world can be morally black and white and shades of gray at the same time.  

And, of course, there's bound to be more on the theme of the individual hero and their complex relationship with a surrounding social group.

This only begins to sketch out what's bound to emerge.  But only vaguely sensing the depths ahead is a very big part of what the initial thrill is all about.

It is, quite naturally, a thoroughly Kegan Level 5 affair.

Here's a tantalizing little snippet of the Salon interview:

Early in your career you worked as a writer on "Roseanne," which was kind of a social realist comedy, and very much of its era. How much do you feel like your shows reflect their moment? Thinking about "Dollhouse," where the clients are these zillionaires -- are you going to have some of them being bankrupted by Madoff?

Well, we wrote all of it before all this economic hilarity, so we were like, "Yeah, people are really going to want to see this show -- a lot of billionaires, this is awesome!" Ultimately everything I do is pretty baldly classist -- like, the powerful people are taking advantage of the poor people, and they don't get it.

Looking at the set I was reminded of Wolfram and Hart, the creepy law offices in "Angel" that looked very normal and slick but were run by the devil.

Yes, it is the same designer. And we wanted the same feeling of, "Isn't this attractive? You can't leave."

And it's a similar idea of these mysterious people who seem very normal and slick, but are they ... evil?

Yeah. And we get to confront them with the consequences of what they do, and learn more about why they do what they do. Because very few people are entirely evil. I know it's hard to believe that after the last eight years of government in this country, but everybody has two sides, and I believe that not only are people often less or more righteous than they understand, but they often don't know what part of them is actually the good part. And a lot of the things that we prize in America might not actually be useful traits, and a lot of the things we vilify, to me, are not necessarily harmful, and that's something that's been in my work from the start.

Okay, now over to you...


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Just watched (4.00 / 1)
Funny, my daughter and I just finished watching Dollhouse on TiVo a few minutes ago and this is the very first thing I read on the internet afterwards.

I'm curious how they'll keep this going beyond one year.  If Echo becomes self aware, how can the Dollhouse survive?  If she does not, how does the show keep a story arch you care about?

For now, I'm just happy they showed the pilot first, instead of some episode featuring Echo robbing a train for no obvious reason.  :-)


Ah, But From Little I've Read (I HATE Spoilers) This ISN'T The Pilot (0.00 / 0)
The pilot is next week.  But Joss had more of a hand in it this time.

We shall see.

On the question of how it can survive.  Hey!  This is Joss Whedon we're talking about.

But, seriously, I think two things are distinct possibilities:

(1) She becomes self-aware gradually, and as she does so, new things emerge to keep things from flying apart--but only just barely.

(2) The survival of the Dollhouse depends on circumstances we have no idea of as yet.

One thing I'm pretty sure of is that the FBI guy and Echo are going to meet up face-to-face before the end of the first season.  And that should be very interesting.  And even more interesting afterwards.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Pilot (0.00 / 0)
Figures.  I hate the guys in suits, sometimes.  Joss did a reasonably good job fixing up this episode to get the important points across, then, if this was not the actual pilot.

Whatever else happens, I'm guessing Echo will start retaining the skills of all her various implants, slowly becoming an expert at everything.  We'll see.


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How could this not be the pilot? (0.00 / 0)
I haven't seen your sources, but the first episode is always the pilot, by definition. Sometimes the pilot is not aired, or has different actors playing the roles (I think this was the case with Star Trek), but I've never heard of someone showing the pilot episode one week AFTER the premier episode.

But...maybe episode "two" is the one that Whedon filmed as the pilot in order to get Fox to purchase a whole season. In which case it should be a good show.


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From Heather Havrilesky (0.00 / 0)
here:

"Dollhouse" has traveled a long and bumpy road for Joss Whedon so far, starting with the lukewarm reception his original pilot received from Fox. Whedon explained on the Whedonesque Web site, "Basically, the network and I had different ideas about what the tone of the show would be. They bought something somewhat different than what I was selling them, which is not that uncommon in this business. Their desires were not surprising: up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase. Oh, and add a chase. That you can cut to." Whedon decided to scrap his entire pilot and start over, and the show was held until midseason.

The new pilot actually begins with a motorcycle chase

I don't recall where I saw the contrary claim that it runs next week.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I liked it (0.00 / 0)
It's hard to fall in love with a show after a pilot episode. Hell, Buffy didn't kick into high gear until season two. But the show offers a very intriguing concept that, at least to my mind, hasn't been done before. And it offers a lot of room for intriguing stories every week.

Quantum Leap also used the idea of the lead character becoming someone new every episode. But perhaps the closest example is the movie Total Recall, which also dealt with memory wipes and implanted personalities/histories. I don't think Eliza Dushku is going to "get her ass to Mars" any time soon, so the analogy pretty much ends there. But I think Dollhouse have a lot of potential.

It's really shocking that they would dump it into one of the worst time slots ever. Thank god for TiVo I guess.


I Know People Say That, But... (0.00 / 0)
Hell, Buffy didn't kick into high gear until season two.

But I disagree.  It kicked into high gear at the end of the intro segment in the first episode.

And

But perhaps the closest example is the movie Total Recall, which also dealt with memory wipes and implanted personalities/histories.

If you know anything about the work of Philip K. Dick (author of the short-story the movie's based on, "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale") you'll realize that Dollhouse has a significant Philip K. Dick vibe about it.  It combines elements of "Wholesale" with echoes of Ubiq and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Its funny though... (4.00 / 1)
Buffy season 1 was decent, but I agree with existenz... it hit its stride in Season 2...

The thing I always loved about Buffy is that its top moments were usually not the fight, action, big bad scenes, but rather the scenes that put you (and the scoobies) through the emotional ringer....  Her losing her virginity with Angel and the aftermath (and the blatant metaphors) that followed... "The body" which still brings tears to my eyes...The Prom class protector moment... Spike and Buffy's final moment in the finale...

Of course, some of my other favorites and moments are just funny episodes or cool episodes... I love The Zeppo, Hush, Once more with Feeling... Cordy kissing Wesley..  Great stuff.


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Too bad.. (0.00 / 0)
Its too bad Angel got cancelled... I thought it was hitting its stride...

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Damn... (0.00 / 0)
Missed it... I'll have to find it online...

I don't hold out hope for Fox and this show...  Its too bad Showtime and HBO or even FX don't pay more...  He'd be more appreciated it there...  Unfortunately, given its Friday time slot, I'm not holding out hope they'll keep it... If it isn't procedural or Reality TV or Animation, fox seems to ditch it.


Reminds me of a sixties or seventies movie... (0.00 / 0)
...about a special agent whose brain can be reprogrammed with different knowledge and even skills. He has to infiltrate undercover a criminal organization by pretending he is someone else. One of the main scenes involves a racetrack where he has to prove he has the great racing skills of the person he tries to incorporate. He braely manages to stay on the track in the first round, but then still wins aganst the professional driver in the other car. Damn, that's about all I remember.

Anybody here remembers this movie? Maybe it was a part of the Steve Austin series? Or another series of its won? Hell, I hate those memory losses. First symptoms of Alzheimer, I'm afraid...


No But (0.00 / 0)
Skill memory chips have been around SF for quite a while.  Personality wipes are a whole different kind of thing, which tend to resonate more with Hindu metaphysics, whether consciously or not.  It will be interesting to see if some of that sneaks into Dollhouse somehow.  If so, it probably won't be until the second or third season.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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There are a couple sci-fi series & movies... (4.00 / 1)
...involving memory wipes.  The short-lived "Nowhere Man" is one.  "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" is, of course, a movie around that theme, and a particularly good one.

There is, unfortunately, no memory wipe available which will release me from the memory of having sat through the movie "The Comfort of Strangers."  

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.


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Hmm, after a lot of googling... (0.00 / 0)
..I think it may have been an episode from "It takes a thief", the 1968 series with Robert Wagner:
http://www.tv.com/it-takes-a-t...
Only that I'm damn sure the knowledge was transferred electronically, and this episode overview doesn't really say it was. Damn...

As for "The confort of strangers": Thx for the warning! Since I remember favoritely "Don't Look Now", the 1973 Donald Sutherland thriller taking place in Venice, I otherwise might have tried this one.
:-)


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I liked "Dollhouse" (0.00 / 0)
It didn't completely grab me the way that "Firefly," "Buffy" and "Angel" did, but I like it so far.  

This is one of the few things I actually read about it, but I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes and hoping it doesn't get canceled after 11 episodes.

Oh, and to explain the difference between "pilot" and "premiere," a "pilot" episode is the one created for the networks to get them to pick up the show.  The "premiere" is the first episode aired to the public.  Very often the "premiere" and "pilot" are the same episode, but in the case of "Firefly" the premiere episode ("The Train Job") was not the pilot episode ("Serenity").

Apparently Dollhouse suffers from the same problem.  So I guess I'm looking forward to seeing the pilot.

It doesn't surprise me at all to learn they used the same set designer for this show and Season 5 of Angel.  The set looked like a higher-tech, more slick version of that set.  

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.


Premiers And Pilots (0.00 / 0)
Can diverge, but that generally makes for trouble, particularly when:

(a) a show's creator is not primarily episode-driven.
(b) the show is set in its own fictional universe.

Since (a) and (b) are both true of Whedon, and Fox is known to be idiot wanker heaven, well, the rest just writes itself... (or, in this case, doesn't.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Hey, I didn't say... (0.00 / 0)
...it was a good thing.  I was just clarifying how something can be the first episode without being the "pilot," since there seemed to be some confusion :)

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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No, I Understand (0.00 / 0)
I was just clarifying why this was particularly disconcerting, and why people might be surprised by it.

Bit of Trekkie trivia here: The pilot for Star Trek was never aired during the original run, for a very simple reason: different actors.  In fact, Majel Barrett--Roddenberry's future wife--was the first officer.  Spock was in the crew, however. The captain wasn't Kirk, it was Christopher Pike, played by Jeffrey Hunter.  Kirk was not in the crew.

So, yeah, the concept and the series premier can involve some, ah, adjustments.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I almost used that one as an example (0.00 / 0)
when I first posted about it.  

I randomly got to see that pilot many years ago.  One of the local UHF stations (yes, children, there used to be something called UHF, when we got our tv through these funny looking things called "antennas") would regularly rebroadcast original Star Trek and just aired the pilot as though it were any ol' episode.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.


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Yeah, That's How I Saw It Too. (0.00 / 0)
Like it was just another episode!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I almost prefer not to see the pilot... (0.00 / 0)
Only because pilots now adays are almost mini movies and the budget and technology quality rarely carry over for Dramas, etc.   Pushing daisies is a great example... loved the show, but a lot of the beautiful coloring was absent after the first due to cost... they had some but it was never as brillantly beautiful as the pilot was.

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One wonders about the recording process and how it'll be used. (0.00 / 0)
For this episode's main bits, Echo's skill set is an amalgam from several sources.

So I wonder how Dollhouse goes out and records these people.

Also, do they take an archival dump of Echo's brain before wiping it each time?  If so, then she could come back to characters she's been in the past.


I suspect it's something along the lines of... (4.00 / 1)
...a "research" facility in a hospital which secretly does scans of every patient that comes through, done under the guise of "routine scans."

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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That raises the question ... (0.00 / 0)
How on the ball could a hostage negotiator be, if she didn't notice this record function happening?

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Fine. (0.00 / 0)
An unconscious test.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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If You Went In For An MRI (0.00 / 0)
How exactly would you know that some bizarre SF brain scan no one knows about was not being preformed at the same time?

I'm just curious, as I have no idea at all how that's supposed to work.  Are there cherubs in pink tutus with circles and arrows ala "Alice's Restaurant" showing you where the recording device is located, and how it's hooked up?

Because if so, then I agree completely.  In which case, julie has the right idea.  Make sure she's unconscious, so she can't see the circles and arrows, again, ala "Alice's Restaurant".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Whedon's Firefly Was the Best Sci-Fi Show in A Generation (4.00 / 2)
A genuinely important show with a measure of social consciousness virtually unknown in the network broadcast world, it was cut off for political reasons.

Almost no one got to see it because the Fox executives put the kibosh on the show before it had aired even a half season. They deemed it inappropriate and dangerous for young people, ideas like questioning authority, and living your life with true freedom, and literal family values, as opposed to the garbage that network stuffs down the throat of our children these days.

Fox, through its thinly disguised propaganda arm of a TV show known as 24, devoted an entire season to teaching our children the absolute necessity of torture, and its moral virtues. According to the people who run the network, children should not be allowed to view sexual content, the act of lovemaking, something that hopefully one day all of them will engage in, but we should allow our six and seven-year-olds to watch people being water boarded and brutally tortured, and characters explaining to us why it is in fact a moral imperative.  The whole damn network should be pulled down to the ground, and purged from the American consciousness forever, for attempting to pollute and destroy the minds and morality of our youth.

If anyone here hasn't seen Firefly 2002 , check it out, you won't be disappointed.


Of course you can't show children anything sexual. (0.00 / 0)
They might get ideas.  Or thoughts.  Or something.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.

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It was good... (0.00 / 0)
But I wouldn't call it the best of the generation or decade or whatever... Assuming shows like Buffy and Angel are not eligible (going pure sci-fi here), I'd say Battlestar Galactica from a social commentary aspect and X-Files from a story line (until they got rid of Duchovny).


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Not to defend Fox... (0.00 / 0)
But the ratings on the series were not very good....

It suffered from being 1) ahead of its time and 2) being on network TV... would have been better on Cable or HBO or Showtime.  There are a lot of ones like this unfortunately.


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Oddly... (0.00 / 0)
First season ratings don't necessarily translate into a show's failure.  Seinfeld had lousy ratings in its first season and is now known as being possibly the best comedy of the 90's.  (I guess that Friends might be considered as such, but I hated that show.)  MASH had lousy ratings, too, but if it weren't for the wife of one of the Fox executives loving the show, it would have been off of the air after a season.  It outlasted the duration of the Korean War (even if it occurred at a different point in history) and continued after the Fall of Saigon.

I think that the point is that ratings may be a way to measure the success of a show, relying on them alone for the first season is an error.  I think that network executives have to look at the artistic quality of the show, too.  They have to consider that it sometimes takes time for a show to catch on, and once it does, beautiful things can happen.  Of course, they can be pretty bad at telling when a good show has past its time (see the X-Files or the Simpsons, for examples.)

Fox in particular is extremely bad at telling when their shows are good.  Firefly, Futurama, and The Family Guy all had phenomenal DVD sales after the shows were canceled.  Futurama and The Family Guy were reinstated.  Whedon was offered more episodes of Firefly, but he wisely knew that it was too late to continue the series.  If it had never been canceled, though, wow...  That would have been grand.  I agree with the comment that it is the best sci-fi series in a generation.  It was truly a special show.


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Fox has a history of... (4.00 / 1)
...canceling shows that have already accumulated a small fan base long before they even have a chance to mature.  If you listen to the DVD commentaries (and yes, I am a geek) on The Tick & Firefly, you'll hear stories about the meetings with Fox executives who just didn't even know how to begin to "get" the shows and were tone deaf to the possibility.  The worst part about "Firefly" was that it was a show Fox invited Wheedon to produce and then totally cut the legs out from under him.

From what I recall, "The X-Files" was marked for cancellation and fan outcry got it renewed, though possibly for one season too long :)

There are two shows in particular, aside from "Firefly," that Fox really pissed me off by canceling: "Strange Luck," which was kind of brilliant in its own way, and incredibly funny, and "Tru Calling," which was just starting to get really intriguing.  

I guess I just don't know how to think like a network executive, which is probably for the better for everyone involved, 'cause I think I'd suffer an early death if I were to make such comments as "honey, that 3-bean chili was great, but, I'm just not getting what its demographic is.  I mean, the kidney beans appeal to the medical professionals, the black-eyed peas appeal to the edgy youth, but the great northern beans leave our west coast viewers out in the cold.  Can't you just make it one-bean chili?  Oh, and how about instead of beans, we use pepperoni and instead of chili we call it 'pizza?'"

A sidenote about MASH: one of the reasons it got such poor ratings in its first season was that it's first season is not very good.  I mean, it's good as far as situational comedy goes, but it took a few seasons before the show really became something incredible.

I probably have better things to do with my time than this.


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In Addition To nanoboy's Point (0.00 / 0)
The general formulation is that the network is responsible for bringing the audience via its promotion and scheduling, the show's creator is responsible for keeping and growing the audience.  With Joss and Tim Minear in particular (they're not the only ones), FOX has done a terrible job of promotion and scheduling.  So terrible, that it gives the distinct appearance that they want the shows to die.

The worst of the lot was The Inside, which was launched with about two weeks notice.  If it had had a two-month promotional buildup, particularly with promo spots during the last 6 episodes of "24" that year, then it would have had a decent chance.

As it was, there was so little lead time that even folks like me who had been anticipating it for over a year didn't have time to get most of our friends to even notice it was coming on.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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