The Desire To Be More Than An Echo Chamber

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Feb 19, 2009 at 17:45


President Obama held a reception for the leaders of large progressive organizations, plus the Chamber of Commerce, last night. This is both exciting, and a relief, given all the face time that Republicans and Blue Dogs were getting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

One of the main messages from the meeting appears to be using progressive organizations as a "echo chamber" or megaphone to help drive the Democratic message around the country:

At a private White House cocktail reception last night for leaders of major progressive groups, Barack Obama and his wife Michelle appealed to these leaders and signaled that their groups would play a key role in driving the big progressive changes at the heart of the White House's legislative agenda, an attendee tells me.

The message was that these groups would be valuable as a kind of progressive outside "echo chamber," as the attendee puts it.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: The Desire To Be More Than An Echo Chamber
There is nothing wrong with this message, in and of itself. Working to counteract conservative and Republican media messaging is undeniably one of the main reasons many new progressive organizations have come into existence over the past decade. Given netroots support for Democrats in electoral and legislative fights, helping out the team has clearly been one of the main tasks the "netroots" has always adopted for itself. It is also a message I have heard from Democratic leaders before, in conference calls and meetings with Democratic leaders like Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and even with (then Senator) Barack Obama.

However, it is also incredibly frustrating when it feels like echoing and broadcasting someone else's messaging is all they want from you. If small donors sometimes feel as though they are treated like ATMs, I'm sure I am not the only blogger who sometimes feels treated like a podium with a microphone attached to it. Both complaints are connected to an existential rationale for grassroots activism on behalf of large political institutions, whether campaigns, parties, organizations or administrations: many of us don't want to just help the institutions in question, but to change them, too.

So what I am getting at here is more an issue of best practices with new grassroots institutions than with specific complaints about any single campaign, party, organization or administration. To get better results from progressive grassroots activists, please treat them like more than just an echo chamber. It is much more useful to find some way to invest them in the campaign, whether that means providing a community representative in strategy meetings or providing them with a contact person who takes their concerns as more than just extremist, ignorant--but also exploitable--hotheads. On this front, the Obama transition and Obama administration have been much better than the Obama campaign, but this is a lesson that goes beyond Presidential politics, and applies to all other areas where grassroots activists are involved.  


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Should he be driving our agenda, or (4.00 / 9)
should we be driving his?  Are we suppose to assume they are same?  Hard to do with the Chamber of Commerce in the room.  Some lefty bloggers already resemble a pep rally.  I think progressives need to remember and respect "arms length".  Lots of questions, no answers.  

Chamber of Commerce (4.00 / 2)
was there strictly for stimulus support. What's encouraging is the attendee said an echo chamber for a PROGRESSIVE agenda.  

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What are you feelings about (4.00 / 2)
Sierra Club's Carl Pope, Planned Parenthood's Cecile Richardson, and Joe Solomonese of the Human Rights Campaign?

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right -- let's also think seriously about who is being conscripted here (4.00 / 3)
as the "progressive" echo chamber for obama; it aign't who i'd choose...

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energy, health care (4.00 / 5)
The story (and followup) both say that "energy, health care" are next, and that Obama is seeking allies on that.  There's no question that this is our big chance to get something real passed, and however imperfect the inevitable compromises with "centrists," we have to succeed in getting legislation through Congress.  2009 might just be the start, but it may be the only chance for decades.



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i think it's highly unlikely it will be the only chance for decades (4.00 / 1)
in fact, i think this is the last gasp of the rightwing dreams like social security privatisation.  The ideological debates on health care and energy are over - it is now mainstream (hegemonic) to support a better health care system and energy initiatives.  What is up for grabs is what "better" means within a range of to "rationalises an inefficient system and in the long run promotes stability / elites" to "universal single payer health care and anti-climate change initiatives for primarily environmental rather than primarily geopolitical reasons."  And of course there are other positions, both to the right and left of this spectrum, but I think they are and will be increasingly marginalised as the political elite catches up with what's already out there in the public.

In this vein, it's not that this is the last chance, but that this is the first chance, and it will be imperfect and an ugly compromise (for progressives) and i think a key is to make sure it does not cut off future opportunities by saying "the problem is solved" or by developing such a bad solution that people won't trust politics to solve it.


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I am not so sure (4.00 / 1)
I am frankly scared to death of 2010.  If the economy doesn't recover, we may look back on this period as the best chance we had to deliver on health care and the environment..    

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you mean for economic reasons? (0.00 / 0)
that would make sense to me - american politics is accustomed to assume that as much money as necessary is always available for everything, which may be obviously-not-the-case at some point (though i would guess that's more than a year in the distance).

because otherwise, that doesn't make sense to me.  The political framework of the last 3 decades is dead outside Washington and dying (too slowly) inside Washington.  Think of it this way - if you lived in 1929 you would probably by 1932 be terrified of 1933 and think that that might be your last chance to enact social safety network legislation.

don't get me wrong though - i thibnk they should get a move on.


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Yes (0.00 / 0)
the economy in large measure defines the political environment.  

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you sound like a marxist :) (0.00 / 0)
i mean that as a compliment :)

i agree, broadly, but what I'm saying is that there are two aspects to this latest economic downturn (at least) that are relevant - one is that the suffering induces anger and populism that is not containable anymore (probablybecause it reached the upper classes) and the other is that the u.s. government may be pushing itself towards fiscal breakdown with its military and now economic spending.

It would be balanceable if this debate were among liberals, progressives, and radicals, but it's unfortunately colored by people who think that escalating a war in Afghanistan or Hooverite economics or retaiing tax cuts for the extremely wealthy is a strong priority for the country.  So in that sense, the politics (as it stands) is exacerbating the situation(s).


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If the policy or decision is beneficial (4.00 / 2)
from a progressive standpoint, he will automatically get the support and megaphone he wants -- from the progressive blogosphere anyway.

I'd like to hear more about what was discussed, from a few more sources.  What I'm hearing here is not good, IMHO.  I'm not sure if it's an effort to pacify progressives while still showing them no real respect, or whether it's an attempt to tamp down the criticisms that have been coming from this arena, after having been accustomed to having a very supportive group in the blogosphere who reflexively shouted down any criticisms.

Personally, I'm not going to forget the comments on Fox News about the extreme left, or whatever he said when he threw the progr. blogosphere under the bus.  While I'd love to think that he and his admin. have some respect for us, I've seen no real sign of it yet.  Maybe last night's meeting was a start.  That would be a good thing.  Hopefully we'll hear from more attendees soon.  

Who was there last night?  It would help to know who the Obama admin. considers the leading progressive groups to be.


i have a slightly different take -- seems to me that obama is beginning to realize that (4.00 / 3)
his only realistic strategy for getting bills passed is to rally the country, unite the left behind his (more progressive) agenda, and basically pressure/cajole a handful of centrist senators to get on board (i.e. start making offers to them that they can't refuse).  the 'bipartisan'/isolate the left route is clearly closed.  

   


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Er, I thought the famously grassroots Obama campaign... (0.00 / 0)
... has already DONE that?

I mean, who is the "progressive" that matters that wasn't already on board back in February 2008?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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Think About It Just A Bit (4.00 / 1)
How well can progressives work with Obama while he's pretending he doesn't know them?  It's not about having support in principle, it's about mobilizing it an effective manner.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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bingo paul. (0.00 / 0)
we need more than one way streets.

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after the message is formed -- and policies crafted -- inside, with these people -- (2.40 / 5)
... Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan courted banks and housing industry groups last week to gather support ahead of the housing policy announcement. The Cabinet officers used a one-hour meeting to discuss strategies for preventing foreclosures and modifying mortgages for struggling homeowners.

Bank of America, JPMorgan, Wells Fargo & Co. and Citigroup were represented at the meeting with Geithner and Donovan, along with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-backed mortgage companies, and banking industry and consumer advocacy groups, the people said.  ...

-- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...

for housing, the stimulus, the bailout, healthcare, etc ...


Well many of those same groups are still bitching about (0.00 / 0)
the housing plan even if they were invited. Inviting groups is not the same as taking all of their ideas. A lot of the groups are against cram downs which will be effective in preventing foreclosures.

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why would you take really SOME of the ideas (4.00 / 2)
of corporations that ran themselves into the ground while convincing investors and the political elite and the country that they were not doing so, if you're a "progressive" president?  They have no moral authority and they've revealed themselves to have little fianncial or planning acument and their political skills are pretty lackluster.  

The only thing to be gained is to send a message to the pro-corporate special interest people in your big tent that they are still welcome - which is fine by me, as long as someone else controls the levers of power (which is currently not the case apparently)?


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on healthcare--"Since last fall, many of the leading figures in the nation's long-running health care debate have been meeting secretly in a Senate hearing room" (0.00 / 0)
NYT today -- Health Care Industry in Talks to Shape Policy -- http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02...

... Since last fall, many of the leading figures in the nation's long-running health care debate have been meeting secretly in a Senate hearing room. Now, with the blessing of the Senate's leading proponent of universal health insurance, Edward M. Kennedy, they appear to be inching toward a consensus that could reshape the debate.

Many of the parties, from big insurance companies to lobbyists for consumers, doctors, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, are embracing the idea that comprehensive health care legislation should include a requirement that every American carry insurance.

While not all industry groups are in complete agreement, there is enough of a consensus, according to people who have attended the meetings, that they have begun to tackle the next steps: how to enforce the requirement for everyone to have health insurance; how to make insurance affordable to the uninsured; and whether to require employers to help buy coverage for their employees.

The talks, which are taking place behind closed doors, are unusual. Lobbyists for a wide range of interest groups - some of which were involved in defeating national health legislation in 1993-4 - are meeting with the staff of Mr. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, in a search for common ground. ...



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on Energy and Tech in stimulus -- "new administration's closest friends in the business world" (0.00 / 0)
http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N3/te... -- Technology Leaves Fingerprints on the Stimulus Bill --

... the biggest outlay on new initiatives is essentially a technology industry wish list: ...

To many on K Street, the stimulus bill was the clearest guide to the new administration's closest friends in the business world. What oil was to President George W. Bush, some say, clean energy and technology are to the Obama White House.

"We have a president who gets it," said Dean Garfield, the president of the Information Technology Industry Council, which recently identified the Senate initiatives in a short list of its top priorities.

A close look at the history of the stimulus bill - the first major product of the new administration - shows that the industries that stand to gain most from the proposed legislation were also working to help shape it even before Obama had won the election.

For months, the industry officials had been talking with Obama advisers about how to use taxpayer aid to jump-start the economy while laying the groundwork for both the new president's and their own goals of building a high-tech infrastructure.

...

Campaign finance records also show that executives at many of the energy and technology companies that stand to profit from the stimulus bill were also big contributors to Obama's campaign. His promises about a "smart grid" and universal broadband dovetailed with the dreams of many in the technology industry, as well as allied fields like renewable energy and electric power. ...

The idea of harnessing such pre-existing proposals to a stimulus package traces back to September 2008, when the financial crisis was worsening and it became clear that a jobs bill could be an early priority if Obama won the election.

Obama advisers including Furman, Julius Genachowski and Austan Goolsbee began soliciting input from the high-tech and alternative energy interests, including General Motors, IBM, Google, the Information Technology Industry Council and the electric utilities' Edison Institute.

...



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it isn't about how they treat us (4.00 / 5)
it is about how we treat them. If we allow them to use us as ATM's and echo chambers  it is our fault. we need to drive our agenda and our issues and force them to compromise with us.

It's like any other relationship, you have to set your own boundries or not complain when you get steamrolled.


but at the same time, (4.00 / 1)
it is about how they treat us.

stockholm syndrome lefties.  we deserve better.


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The great criticism of the Clintons (4.00 / 8)
was that they were always there when they needed you. We don't need more of that. If the Obama White House want Progressive outlets to be the megaphone for their brand of change, they are going to have to start adopting true Progressive policies as part of that brand of change.

It cannot be a one-way street.


What's wrong with you, Bowers? (4.00 / 4)
Don't you want to be a "savvy insider"?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

the blogosphere is in fact the blahblahsphere (0.00 / 0)
and I won't be commenting again because I truly believe what I've just said.

Not that I've commented much before, but hey, whatever.  


the irony is staggering. (0.00 / 0)
your comment was the pinnacle of "blahblahsphere" and so meta that it means something only to you.  youll be missed.

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Good (0.00 / 0)


Montani semper liberi

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Thanks for making it count (0.00 / 0)
 

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it was a pleasant evening of drinks and conversation (4.00 / 7)
but was it anything more?

Obama is the master of the symbolic gesture, he's got the previous administration beat hands down at that. You can bet that anything he does will be deliberately crafted for maximal PR impact.

The only thing that can really be concluded from this event, is that Obama wanted to be seen in the same room with "progressives".

Does that translate into his adopting some of their policy concerns? Not necessarily; it simply means he thought it was a good idea to be seen offering a symbolic olive branch to "progressives."

Just keep your heads down, and push for the issues you care about, regardless of Obama's gestures.


Agreed (4.00 / 4)
Political theater is the name of the game.

Bush was Animal House. Obama is Noel Coward.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Bush was Beast Rabban (0.00 / 0)
Obama is Feyd Rautha

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bush was scooby doo (4.00 / 1)
obama is the friendly mayor who actually perpetrated the zombie scam to keep pesky reporters away from the truth and if
not for you meddling kids he might just get away with it.

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No no no no no no no! (0.00 / 0)
No way the Scoob would allow all those raids on Medical Marijuana Facilities!

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Conceptual dissonance (4.00 / 7)
The whole concept of the "echo chamber" is inherently right wing authoritarianism and is truly antithetical to democratic and ultimately progressive values. Just look at the difference in the make up of what has been and continues to be the right wing echo chamber vs. what appears to be a semblance of a left wing echo chamber. Drudge, Limbaugh, Fox, Heritage, etc. are all strategically focused on achieving the same ends: dominance of a right wing authoritarian monolithic platform. What is the answer on the left? Much more narrowly focused, issue/policy driven contributors to the political dialogue. No, what we need is not a strategy that mimics the right but a totally new strategy that changes the status quo in political messaging.

Save Our Schools! March & National Call to Action, July 28-31, 2011 in Washington, DC: http://www.saveourschoolsmarch...

Yup (4.00 / 4)
On the one hand, folks like Obama think conservatives are really just liberals with a different set of ideas.  Hence, they can be reasoned with.  On the other hand, they think that the progressive masses are just like the dittoheads, and can be rallied via authoritarian calls to arms.

The good news is, there is some learning going on.

The bad news is, it's still baby steps.

And babies don't take steps. They crawl.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good analysis Paul (4.00 / 1)
You have to be careful projecting your mindset on your opposition (or even your allies), and thinking that they can be reasoned with in a way that would make sense to you.

Rick Pearlstein points this out in his book "Nixonland", where President Johnson imagined that he could deal with the North Vietnamese like he dealt with his oppostion in the U.S. Senate. First, you beat the crap out of them and then you bring them to the table and compromise.

Unfortunately, the North Vietnamese didn't understand the ways of the U.S. Senate and didn't look kindly on having all those bombs dropped on their heads.

In a similar vein, the rightwingnut repubs are not looking for compromise with President Obama, they are looking for the destruction of the Obama presidency in ths same way they did with the Clinton presidency.

History repeats itself, but with different starring players.


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And this is crawling (0.00 / 0)
In 2008, "Southern unions were able to hold their ground despite big job losses in the region. Among the 13 Southern states, seven showed union gains."

Save Our Schools! March & National Call to Action, July 28-31, 2011 in Washington, DC: http://www.saveourschoolsmarch...

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Not too likely (4.00 / 3)
One's leftness is directly proportional to one's inability to serve in an echo chamber.  Insofar as Obama is able to get an echo chamber going, it won't be of the left.  If the ideas are good, say they're good; if they're bad, say they're bad.  Had someone asked me to be part of an echo chamber, I'd have been pretty pissed; even hearing about it causes my respect for Obama to decline, not increase. Dittoheads are for Rush.

First, they ignore you. (4.00 / 1)
Then they laugh at you.
Then they co-opt you.

Then they win.


We really are naive, you know that Chris? (0.00 / 0)
We spend years lamenting how Bushco ignores us, spits at us, leaves us int he dark.  Now we have (a great) in with Obama and we're whining about how he is using us.  Guess what?  Life is always like this, there is no perfect scenario where everyone gets onboard and we ride away to utopia.  The key to getting what you want in politics is to use someone else while they are using you to acheive your ends and stymie theirs (when they don't match up.)

Obama just handed us the keys to the kingdom.  Well, maybe the keys to the sewer of the kingdom, but it's an in and is a vital task that must be done.  Would you rather he turn back to the DNC and Fox News to provide his echo chamber and control the message?  

Now, here is how we win:  provide this echo chamber ability and provide it in spades, but only for the programs and points we agree with.  Obama wants us to drum up support for more stimulus, increasing taxes on rich, regulating wall street?  Awesome, we hit the streets going 0-60mph in 3 seconds.  He wants us to push an extention of our time in Iraq, lack of accountability for Bushco admin on torture, or on Social Security cuts?  Give him crickets, no echo chamber.  You think this is not the way Fox News does it?  

He's giving us a huge opportunity here, don't blow it.  But only go to the mat for what you believe in, not for what Obama wants.  This is a hand in hand relationship, not master/servant.  Understand the power of that and we've basically won.



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At one level (4.00 / 1)
a challenge for progressives is to master the policy details well enough to be effective.  Certainly in the upcoming health care debate we can expect distortions ad nauseum.  

This is a significant challenge: I found the stimulus debate frustrating in part because I did not have time to actually understand what the details were.  


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