Dodd, Schumer Support Bank Nationalization

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Feb 20, 2009 at 16:30


When Senator Shuck Schumer starts channeling David Sirota, you know that a shift in mentality is taking place in Washington, D.C. Check out Schumer on nationalizing "zombie banks":

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) believes that failed "zombie" banks, no matter what their size, should be taken over by the government, which should then wipe out shareholders, fire management, clean up the banks and quickly resell them into the marketplace. Such a move, he cautioned, should come only if the "stress tests" being conducted by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner determine a bank to be insolvent.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Schumer sought to clarify and elaborate on widely-reported comments he made last Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

During the show, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, turned a few heads by stating that nationalizing the banks should be a policy option on the table.

Responding a few moments later, Schumer said on ABC, "I would not be for nationalizing. I don't think government is good at making these decisions."

Senate Banking Chair Chris Dodd jumps on the nationalization bankwagon, too. The Senate is turning pinko!

In addition to growing support for the "Swedish" nationalization model (depicted in the first blockquote paragraph), it is also becoming clear that whether or not Treasury Secretary Geithner intended the "stress test" to be a back door toward nationalization, it almost certainly will become a back door toward nationalization. By early to mi-April, when the stress test and quarterly reports show which banks are solvent and which are not, there just won't be any other options left from either a pure policy or political perspective.

Perhaps one of the keys to pushing nationalization over the finish line is, as Atrios and Josh Marshall both suggest, to stop calling it nationalization. In order to win this fight, perhaps something like "the receivership plan" or "the Swedish model" should become standard lingo for all of those who favor what we are now terming "nationalization."

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Elections do have consequences after all (4.00 / 2)

 I shudder to think in what direction the banking-crisis discussion would be going if it were John McCain in the White House.

 I'd be shipping my money to a bank on the moon...
 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


not researching a candidate's record has consequences (0.00 / 0)
i wouldn't be so quick to pat one's self on the back. consider the stimulus, do you consider it great strategy, or even worthwhile? if so, why?

let's try something a bit rare in the far leftisphere, ok? actual examination and thought.. the stimulus bill means, for example, the billionaire co-founder of microsoft, paul allen, will be a billion dollars richer because of new corporate tax relief that was included in the stimulus (reid and pelosi claimed tax credits for new job creation were, "discredited", but apparently more tax cuts for the corporate piglets weren't?). meanwhile the bill will give just $1.10 per day relief to the average worker... banana's, right?

schumer, dodd, clinton, obama, kerry, reid, pelosi, feinstein, virtually all of them have been in on this scam to funnel our money to the banks, more than half foreign owned. when you examine what's going on, you know this is devaluing our currency, which will cause no end of hardship. perhaps you believe that this is somehow necessary for your particular agenda? crack open a history book and consider what agenda's like this have actually brought about, and still further, consider that the drones that brought all such monster's to power, were the first ones discarded and eliminated when they had no longer served their purposes. what you are advocating is turning the reins of our government over to the corporate and foreign, globalist elites. unelected, unanswerable, corrupt, cruel elites. they will destroy untold millions of lives, including yours. they will despoil our environment, sell our water out to the highest bidder. for gosh sakes, think about something other than how much it gets you off to think you've beaten the right wing.. because you haven't. you've been duped into falling into the hands of those who used their money to put the right wing into power, and who have now put the far left wing into power. the far left, like the far right are corrupt, and don't give a damn about any of us.


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"....have now put the far left wing into power..." (4.00 / 1)
you're the one who is deluded if you think the far left wing is in power... wow!

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Not a bad idea (0.00 / 0)
Although it does remind me of when Republicans repeatedly tried rebranding their idiotic Social Security scheme from "privitization" to "private accounts" to "personal accounts". It's a bit like when The West Wing was using the word "bagel" to refer to a possible recession.

I mean, everybody knows what we're talking about here. Receivership is a better word though; even though everybody will know that it's the same thing you were calling nationalization last week.

I think the best way to sell it is to compare it to what the FDIC does with smaller banks. Everybody agrees that the FDIC is a model that works, and is something they're comfortable with. Just say "it's going to like the FDIC for big banks." We'll come up with a new acronym for the program, like Banks All Getting Eated LOL. BAGEL.

The continued sell-off of BoA and Citi and such means they're betting on the BAGEL. Given the market's track record, it doesn't fill me with confidence...

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


Proper (4.00 / 2)
This is the proper political way to do it. You ease everyone into the idea slowly, float some trial balloons and pretend to be reluctant.  

Salesmanship (4.00 / 2)
There is a certain art to selling ideas. If you can trick people into thinking that it was their idea and not yours, you've got 'em.

   Bugs: "Duck season!"
   Daffy: "Wabbit season!"
   Bugs: "Duck season!"
   Daffy: "Wabbit season!"
   Bugs: "Duck season!!"
   Daffy: "Wabbit season!!"
   Bugs: "Wabbit season!"
   Daffy: "Duck season!!!"
   Bugs: "Wabbit season!!!"
   Daffy: "I say it's duck season, and I say, FIRE!"


Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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If Tiger Woods can have a Swedish Model, why can't I? (4.00 / 2)


No, to the "Swedish Model" (4.00 / 2)
"Receivership is better." You could also call it a "structured bankruptcy."

But hell, it's going to happen, we don't need to sell it, so why not stick with "nationalization" and its pleasant (to my ears) connotations?


Swedish binkini bank plan (0.00 / 0)
would that win?

Doh! (0.00 / 0)
You just beat me to that one by a few minutes.

I thought with the Republicans out of power Federal policymaking was supposed to become LESS like a light beer commercial.


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Yeah... (0.00 / 0)
Schumer to nationalize, but then what?  Package them?  Then sell them on to the Carlyle Group?

you are all selling out to the carlyle group (0.00 / 1)
you're just too deluded to care.

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Wow... (0.00 / 0)
That was a non-productive comment.

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Sweded (0.00 / 0)
Man, I can't wait to start using the term "sweded" to describe these banks.  I imagine Jack Black and Mos Def fixing them up with cardboard, foil and pizza.

Let's use the proper term (4.00 / 1)
"nationalization" raises the hackles of too many people.  As several people have been pointing out (on TPM as well as elsewhere), we should be saying that failing banks should be put into receivership.  This is a form of temporary nationalization, but the FDIC does this every day.

It's the only way to stop throwing good money after bad.


how about 'cleanup' or 'turnaround'? (0.00 / 0)
may 'detoxification'

Leery of… (4.00 / 1)
...calling it the "Swedish model"...think that'll sound too European to some. Receivership seems most accurate, but now that "nationalization" is out there--and out of the mouth of a Republican like Lindsey Graham, no less--we might as well keep calling this song what it is. Is there a way to make nationalization spin like the "America first" option or something?

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams

we've already given the worst ones many billions -- more than they're worth -- (0.00 / 0)
only now, after they've gotten our money, do they even allow nationalization as an option? It's like 9 trillion and counting -- in loans and outright payments -- we've thrown away, no?

and we're also still paying banks -- including some of the biggest ones that would now maybe be possibly nationalized --  to take over other banks (and let them take the good parts, while we kept the bad worthless parts).

they won't really do it the way they should, i bet -- all along they've refused to punish the institutions -- and in fact are propping them up so they don't disappear.


and we've already guaranteed their debts and bonds, etc, too -- (0.00 / 0)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/... --
Asian investors won't buy debt and mortgage-backed securities from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac until they carry explicit U.S. guarantees, similar to those given on bonds issued by Bank of America Corp. or Citigroup Inc. ...

wouldn't we still have to pay on those whether we nationalized  or not?


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Bloomberg is reporting Dodd's words very differently -- it's their interview -- (4.00 / 1)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/... -- Dodd Says Obama Administration Trying to Avoid Nationalization  --

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd said the Obama administration is seeking to avoid nationalizing banks, and said that he doesn't want the government to take that step. ...


No... my understanding -- limited but I would like to know... (0.00 / 0)
is that they seem to want to to turn the banks over to Public-private partnerships?  Which is why the Carlyle Group keeps coming up.  Private, secretive, unaccountable equity firms.

http://peureport.blogspot.com/...

It's just seems creepy to me...  if taxpayers are going to have to fork out to keep these shawdowy enterprises happy.


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it's paying private firms to buy debts/toxic assets/etc -- and (0.00 / 0)
we (the public) also say we'll guarantee those worthless assets as if they're really worth something.

it's not taking the banks and changing their private status --  we're already throwing money at them and guaranteeing their assets/debts/bonds/etc regardless -- with nothing in return for it.

the problem is that no one in the private sector wants to buy them -- unless we pay them to do so, and also promise they will profit no matter what, while we also promise that losses are the govt's loss and not theirs.


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"no-risk private profit to be subsidized by public-sector losses." (0.00 / 0)
BAR has a good thing on all this -- Trying to Revive the Bubble Economy: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan -- http://www.blackagendareport.c...

... That is what the term "equity kicker"means.

This situation confronts the economy with a dilemma. The only policies deemed politically correct these days are those that make the situation worse: yet more government money in the hope that banks will create yet more credit/debt to raise house prices and make them even more unaffordable; credit/debt to inflate a new Bubble Economy #2.

Lobbyists for Wall Street's enormous Bad Bank conglomerates are screaming that all real solutions to today's debt problem and tax shift onto labor are politically incorrect, above all the time-honored debt write-downs to bring the debt burden within the ability to pay. That is what the market is supposed to do, after all, by bankruptcy in an anarchic collapse if not by more deliberate and targeted government policy. The Bad Banks, having demanded "free markets"all these years, fear a really free market when it threatens their bonuses and other takings. For Wall Street, free markets are "free"of public regulation against predatory lending; "free"of taxing the wealthy so as to shift the burden onto labor; "free"for the financial sector to wrap itself around the "real"economy like parasitic ivy around a tree to extract the surplus.

This is a travesty of freedom. ...

... the smartest money is still waiting like vultures in the wings - waiting for government guarantees that toxic loans will pay off. Another no-risk private profit to be subsidized by public-sector losses.

...



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FT on this -- "consequences for bondholders. Partial nationalisation implies no loss to them" (4.00 / 1)
Stress tests to map future for ailing banks -- http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6e3a...

... Wherever possible, the administration plans to support banks in the private markets by providing contingent capital that converts into equity as needed.

The problem is the weakest banks need more equity now. While the government could take instruments that convey equity-like risks without equity-like rights, that would be politically risky. So the choice may be between taking stakes in these banks, which amounts to partial nationalisation, and FDIC control, which amounts to full nationalisation on a temporary basis.

The strategic approach is under pressure from the market. The further shares in the weakest banks fall, the less attractive it is to support them in private markets.
...

In the case of full nationalisation the authorities would use special powers to stand behind whatever liabilities it chose. There would be no funding risk and it would be easier to separate a "good bank" from a "bad bank", since the government would not have to worry about the price at which toxic assets were transferred.

But full nationalisation of one bank could destabilise others. With global banks such as Citigroup, policymakers would have to be confident that their actions would not trigger disorderly seizures in other jurisdictions.

...

The choice has important consequences for bondholders. Partial nationalisation implies no loss to them. Full nationalisation via the FDIC leaves that open, though officials are wary of inflicting losses on debtholders.

Citigroup is seen as the test case. If it is supported in the private markets, all other systemically important banks will probably be too.

If it is pushed into the FDIC, the question will be which other banks will be as well - with Bank of America seen as next on the list. Even partial nationalisation may not be a soft touch. Existing shareholders would face huge dilution.  ...



It's starting to sound like (4.00 / 2)
they may pick and choose who loses and who doesn't.  That doesn't mesh with "nationalization" as far as I know.  We're hearing about "senior debt" and "senior creditors" from Greenspan, Bloomberg News, the ratings agencies, etc. That applies in bankruptcy, but what about nationalization?  These institutions are insolvent, no?

The cost of protecting senior debt of Citi, Bank of America and Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) hit record levels Friday before receding. Meanwhile, bank hybrid debt has plummeted this week, as investors worry that these securities, which blend features of both stocks and bonds, could be wiped out if there's a government intervention. Bank of America and Citigroup hybrids have dropped more than 10 cents on the dollar to around 20 cents on the dollar.

Risk premiums on 10-year senior bank bonds across the board have widened about 60 basis points for the past two weeks, according to a bond investor. A bond trader said bank senior bonds were trading between 20 to 50 basis points wider on the week, but other market participants noted that these bonds have been thinly traded.
http://money.cnn.com/news/news...



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The funny thing... (0.00 / 0)
In Illinois, I know a lot of Dems and I know many republicans... most of whom I'd call either moderate GOP or Populist GOP (Mike Huckabee types)... I'd say at LEAST 70% of both groups support nationalization... It seems only the hard core corporate GOP or Dems are against it... I found it quite funny... looks like Obama could easily get a national consensus on this if he pushes the issue.

I've been harping this point forever (4.00 / 1)
over at HuffPo.

In no way should this have ever been referred to as "Nationalization." Nationalization implies government takeover of an entire industry on an indefinite to permanent basis. This plan is merely the temporary takeover of certain failed banks - which as has been pointed out endlessly, happens every year - rehabilitating the assets and recapitalizing them. It's a no-brainer and the best idea yet. Right now those banks are money-pits and throwing cash at them is completely futile.


Don't we just need an expanded version of the RTC? (4.00 / 1)
Can someone who knows more about this issue explain what the distinction is, if any, between the "nationalization" or "detox" or "Swedish model" or "Swedish chef" proposals that are out there and the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) that the federal government used to clean up the savings & loan crisis in the late 80s and early 90s?

From what I know, the RTC would take receivership of an S&L, clear out all of its failed assets (a lot of which were "bad loans"), and then sell what was left of the place to a healthy bank.

Isn't that what we need now?

It would seem to me that we just need an uber-RTC (to stick with the European theme), with a much larger scale.  This time around, the "bad loans" were sliced, diced, securitized, and "infected" the asset sheets of a wider variety of institutions.  And as for the loans themselves, there are more of them than back then; today, in most places, the real estate market has now fallen further than it did during the 87-92 crisis; and the 00s bubble featured a wider range of exotic loans (nothing-down loans, interest only loans, reverse amortization, etc.) that should not have been issued in the first place and have become impossible to repay.  

Can someone make a case for why an RTC-like program wouldn't work here?


They tried to make me go to rehab.... (0.00 / 0)
As for branding and messaging, yes, it's vital.  Whatever we do, don't call it nationalization!  Or Swedish.  Being able to bash something as "European" has always been a winning tactic in American politics, even as far back as the 1790s.  

So why not "detox"?  Or "rehab"?  Emphasis the illness of the banks, rather than the power the government is exercising.  And make it accessible to the average voter: it's like detox or rehab for a drugged-out celebrity.  Come to think of it, that's a fairly apt analogy for what happened.  We could even anoint various failed financiers as the Amy Winehouse or the Colin Farrell of Wall Street...


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