Republican Primary Machine Out Of Power in California

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Feb 20, 2009 at 20:30


Over in Quick Hits, there were two posts consecutive posts this afternoon that bear mentioning on the front page. In the first, demoinesdem points us to new Progressive Punch scores that compare how members of Congress vote to the partisan voting tendencies of their distracts. In the second, bruoton tells us about a new, non-partisan primary system in California, where the top two vote getters move on to the general election, regardless of party. According to this Quick Hit, Nate Silver thinks that conservative Democrats will be the biggest beneficiary of the new system. These two developments are worth looking at simultaneously, because they impact each other.

The new Progressive Punch tool is extremely useful, since it serves as a quick reference on which Democrats are voting more conservatively than their districts, and thus are vulnerable to a left-wing primary challenge. However, the new California laws probably render, as I think Nate Silver argues, either a left-wing or a right-wing primary challenge to a Congressional incumbent far more difficult. While an upstart progressive might be able to use the new law to reach the general election against one of California's many Blue Dog incumbents, those Blue Dogs can now fend off the challenge in the general election through the support of Republicans, ala Lieberman in the 2006 Connecticut Senate campaign. Similarly, Blue Dog type Democrats will now have a greater chance to reach the general election in one of California's many lean-red districts that are held by arch-conservative Republicans, thus giving LieberDems a second way of retaining or winning more U.S. House seats in California. At least, that is the theory. In practice, I think it will turn out quite differently, and put an end to the totalitarian control the Republican House leadership holds over California Republican U.S. House members.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Republican Primary Machine Out Of Power in California
If I were wagering money, I would bet that the most important thing that this new law will accomplish will be to put an end to right-wing primary challenges--and also the threat of such challenges--to California House Republicans once and for all. Progressive Democrats such as Donna Edwards are occasionally able to knock of an Bush Dog type incumbent who is too conservative for his district, but the truth is that such victories are extremely rare--probably one every two or three cycles (I'd love to see a comprehensive list of House incumbents defeated in primaries, from 1992 forward, but I can't find one). By contrast, the conservative movement has a well-established primary machine that knocks off two or three "moderate" Republicans every single two-year electoral cycle, and which keeps dozens more Republicans in line through threats of such primary challenges. However, at least in California, this new law wipes away the threat of such right-wing challenges once and for all.

I was once told by a progressive working high-up in the efforts to run more primary challenges that, in addition to taking out conservative Democrats in blue districts, someday he wanted to be able to replace right-wing Republicans in red districts with moderate Republicans who were backed by labor and environmental groups. This new California law now actually makes this possible. With redistricting in 2012, this new law might just lead to a wave of such challenges four years from now.

As such, while I can see, in theory, why the new California law might benefit conservative Democrats, in practice I think it will be an incumbent protection racket for the many conservative Blue Dogs in California, while freeing up the Republican delegation in the state from the clutches of the Republican House leadership. And that could be a real step forward for progressivism.


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It seems to me that (4.00 / 1)
it is very unlikely to pass.  Does being on the ballot in June 2010 imply it is during a primary election?  If so, that's not going to help it.


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Not going to pass (4.00 / 7)
It's on the June 2010 ballot when there will be a hotly contested election on the Dem side for Governor.  Abel Maldonado, the faux-moderate GoOPer who got this on the ballot in exchange for his vote, had his hand overplayed by the Dems who drafted the bill when they included Congressional seats.  Nancy Pelosi lets this pass over her dead body.

People are acting like this is a done deal, and also swallowing the theory whole that it automatically benefits moderates.  That's ridiculous and there's data from Louisiana and Washington state to support that blanket primaries help incumbents and depress turnout.  Polarization is simply not a correlative.

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i think so too -- incumbent protection - and reduces voter options (0.00 / 0)
In lopsided districts (which is many if not most), the choices may end up being one Repub against another, or one Dem against another.

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Yup. (4.00 / 1)
It'll be on the ballot in the June 2010 Primary Election, and won't even take effect until 2012 or 2014.

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I can't see it passing (4.00 / 2)
it just seems like too much of a wild card.

Dems like us don't want to see a bunch of Blue Dogs getting elected. And the crazy anti-tax Republicans in this state sure as hell won't want to see a bunch of wimpy moderate RINOs get elected. So, who exactly would vote for it? David Broder doesn't live in CA.

And ballot initiatives are becoming ever more unpopular in CA. It would take major funding to convince people to vote yes, and it's hard to see who would fund such a campaign.

If we want to see real progressive change, imagine what will happen if we can finally pass an initiative getting rid of this supermajority 2/3rds rule. I heard the Courage Campaign will be part of a signature gathering effort. They should align with the unions, who have the bucks to really fund it.

If CA actually had a functioning government again, we could do some great things.


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True, Broder doesn't live in Cali. (0.00 / 0)
But George Skelton and Dan Walters do.

Those two are Cali's version of David Broder.


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top two primary may well pass (0.00 / 0)
The assumption in the comments that it won't pass ignores the recent experience in Washington, where this type of primary was introduced through an initiative by the people that was strongly opposed by both major parties and the legislature. And both political parties together then challenged it in the federal courts, losing in the US Supreme Court.

I don't know about that. (0.00 / 0)
We had something like this back in 2004--Prop 62--that would have created very much this same thing and it was soundly defeated.

I'm hoping the voters of California have the good sense to reject it this time, as well.


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That's correct (4.00 / 3)
And just last November Measure 65, Oregon's own "top two" proposal, went down in flames with 65% of voters saying no.

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three things (0.00 / 0)

Would this reduce the number of times that voters are made to go to the polls(voting once a cycle instead of twice)?  Which if is the case may make the level of voter participation increase?

Could an instant run off provision be added to this non partisan format? I would be all for that.  Also the upcoming redistricting will have more effect on how effective this new format would be more than the format itself.

And with the incompetency of County Registrars especially in LA county the fewer number of ballot configurations they need to create the better.


Nope (0.00 / 0)
It sounds like you'd still have to vote twice -- first the open primary, then in the general election where the top two go against each other.

Some districts would see an R versus D, some would see R vs. R, some would see D vs. D.

The R vs. D races would be unchanged, while the other races would be a battle for who could appear more moderate to the opposite party (ala Lieberman in 2006).


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I hope this fails (4.00 / 1)
we will end up with a bu7nch of Mary Landrieus.  The jungle primary is the reason why Louisiana has such shitty democrats and it is why so few people in Louisiana vote.

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Not a new law (4.00 / 1)
As others have pointed out, the change is California is only a ballot initiative, not a new law.  As I understand it, California has passed something similar in the past, only to have the courts rule it unconstitutional.  They later had a more court friendly version that failed.

Personally, I'm against these measures in general (I voted against one in Oregon in the most recent election) but favor the passing in California.  Anything that can moderate the Republican minority is a good thing there, where a supermajority is needed for most everything important.


the one that was overturned... (0.00 / 0)
...was one of those open primary rules where Dems could vote in the Republican primary and vice versa.

This current idea would just throw all the candidates on a single ballot and see who the top two vote getters are.


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This shouldn't pass (0.00 / 0)
It's not a good thing, it will mean more conservatives in congress.

Top Two, PP (4.00 / 1)
1) The most obvious effect of the Top Two system in Washington was the removal of third parties from the November ballot.  There will be no Greens, Libertarians, Peace and Freedoms or whatevers on the ballot.  I think this sucks.  No protest votes aginst conservative Dems in the fall.

2)  The new Progressive Punch rating system for "out of whack" voting references only the US House vote %, not Presidential voting a la Cook.  According to the system the most out of whack members of the House are Joe Donelly, Brad Ellsworth, Jason Altmire, Travis Childers and Heath Shuler in that order.

I did a state by state "analysis" and only three states showed as having no Democratic more conservative than warranted by the district: Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont.  That seemed a bit overdone.

According to the system, Bill Foster and not Dan Lipinski or Melissa Bean was the most overly conservative Dem from Illinois.

A list of some targets by state with the highest rating for the state for Dems:

IN (Joe Donnelly, -43.48)
PA (Jason Altmire, -36.67)
MS (Travis Childers, -33.16)
NC (Heath Shuler, -32.46)
AZ (Harry Mitchell, -29.28)
TX (Henry Cuellar, -27.43)
GA (John Barrow, -26.45)
OH (Zach Space, -24.20)
OK (Dan Boren, -23.81)
MN (Collin Peterson, -22.77)
TN (John Tanner, -22.04)
CA (Jim Costa,-19.20)
MO (Ike Skelton, -17.29)
IA (Leonard Boswell, -15.94)
FL (Allen Boyd, -15.88)
IL (Bill Foster, -15.38)
WV (Alan Mollohan,-14.99)
LA (Charlie Melancon, -13.24)
WA (Adam Smith,-13.94)
CO (Ed Perlmutter, -13.33)
UT (Jim Matheson, -10.94)
AL (Artur Davis (-10.86)
NJ (Rob Andrews, -10.36)
VA (Jim Moran, -10.18)
SD (Stephanie Herseth, -9.39)
MD (Dutch Ruppersberger, -9.29)
AR (Mike Ross, -7.69)
SC (John Spratt, -7.77)
KY (Ben Chandler (-6.67)
NY (Carolyn McCarthy, -7.82)
NV (Shelley Berkley, -7.68)
WI (Ron Kind, -7.16)
ND (Earl Pomeroy, -5.62)
KS (Dennis Moore, -5.62)
MI (John Dingell, -3.77)
OR (David Wu, -2.99)
MA (Stephen Lynch, -1.95)
HI (Neil Abercrombie, -1.90)
RI (Patrick Kennedy, -1.13)
CT (John Larson, -0.26)

Mostly this seems to pick established conservative Dems from conservative districts.  Most of my picks for targets would, in fact, come from fairly far down the list or off the list: Boswell,Boyd, Bean, Rob Andrews, Lipinski, Artur Davis, John Barrow, David Scott (a Blue Dog from a 71% Obama district),Brian Baird, Jim Clyburn.  Jim Moran is an interesting pick that does come out from this list.



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