Is Washington the South? A Followup

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 09:30


Two weeks ago, I wrote a diary, "Is Washington the South? That Could Explain A Lot", in which I wrote:

Barack Obama is wildly popular.  But in Versailles, not so much.  After all, he's a Democrat and now that Republicans have rejected his bipartisan gestures, it's clear that he's got cooties, just like all the other Democrats in DC, except maybe Ben Nelson.

So Obama's continued popularity comes as a bit of shock to Versaillers....

I went on to note, based on the DKos/R2000 tracking poll, that Obama's favorability rating was in the 70s and 80s outside the South, compared to just 51% inside the South.  A similar pattern--though with lower levels of popularity, and not so extreme could be found with congressional leaders, and with measures of party popularity: everywhere outside the South, Democrats dominated by landslide majorities.  The South was the only place were rough parity could be found.  But Versailles continued treating the parties as if they were closely matched.  So what are things like two weeks later? So far, pretty much the same.

Paul Rosenberg :: Is Washington the South? A Followup
First, here are the results for the parties' national political leaders from two weeks before last week:

And what I wrote about them:

The South is narrowly divided, while the rest of the Country is overwhelmingly pro-Dem and anti-GOP, as can be clearly seen in the ratings for Obama, McConnell and Boehner....

In the South, Obama has a net favorable of 7 points, compared to McConnell at  -2. That's just a 9-point difference.  But outside the South, Obama's net favorables are an astronomical 58%, compared to McConnell's abysmal  -39%, a jaw-dropping difference of 97%.  Baehner goes from 16% down in the South to 107% down everywhere else.

Reid and Pelosi have much less dramatic swings.  Still, Pelosi trails Boehner by 2% in the South,  -11% to  -9, but wallops him elsewhere, +10% to  -49%, a 59% thumping.  Reid loses badly to McConnell--by 19 points--in his Southern stomping grounds, but crushes him by 33 points elsewhere,  -6% t  -29%. Reid is not a popular guy anywhere, really.  But outside the South, McConnell is running neck-and-neck with Dick Cheney and the Ebola virus.

The following week showed only minor changes:

As did last week as well:

This can be clearly seen by condensing everything to net favorables inside the South, outside the South and nationwide, and combining all three weeks into one chart:

President Obama is the only political figure who shows movement of more than two points from one week to the next either nationwide or inside or outside the South.  His poll movements also show a distinct pattern--down 5 points inside the South, up 7 outside it, for a 12 increase in the difference between the two: a 51 point difference jumps to a 63 point difference.

In short, the only losses Obama seems to have suffered are limited to the South, where he still enjoys a slight plurality.  He gained 4 points in the Northeast, 4 in the Midwest and 6 in the West in terms of net favorability.


Turning to the party favorability measures, here's what the first week looked like:

And here's what I wrote about it:

Congressional Democrats trail Republicans by 5 points in the South,  -32% to  -27%. But outside the South, the lead by 53%,  -7% to  -60%.  For the parties in general, it's even more tilted toward the Dems.  In the South, they barely lose by 5%,  -8% to  -3% for the Reps.  Outside the South, Dems have a 71% avalanche advantage over Reps, +30% to  -41%.

The next week showed little change:

But last week showed dramatic gains for Congressional Democrats everywhere outside the South:

Congressional Democrats were up an astonishing 22 points in the Northeast, up 17 points in the Midwest and up 18 points in the West, for a non-South total of 19 points up.  The Democratic party in general also showed noticeable grains, but these were much more modest and uneven.  The congressional gains were simply so stunning that it's hard to imagine anything like them.

Comparing the first week to the last week, we see that Congressional Democrats moved from a 53-point edge in the non-South to a 76-point edge.  Inside the South, they went from a 5-point deficit to a 4-point deficit.  Of course it's still very early.  But if this is how how the next two years turn out, Democrats look poised to win even more Republican seats outside the South in 2010.

As epitomized by President Obama's address to Congress, in contrast to the embarrassing GOP response, Versailles seems to have grudgingly admitted that maybe there really is something to this Obama fellah.  But their attitude remains much, much closer to that of the South than it is to that of the nation as a whole... much less non-Southern America.


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This is actually a really interesting take (4.00 / 1)
I'd never quite thought directly about it in these terms, but, yeah, a lot of time the major news producers' spin on issues represents the perspectives of white Southern conservatives more than it does the rest of the nation.

Still, as a native, born and bred Southerner, it does my heart good to see the rest of the nation so diverging from the South's conservatism.

Nothing would do the South better than to have its right wing lose, in fact, be thoroughly beaten for a while.


I went to DC last week (4.00 / 2)
It was my first trip since 2001, and I just have to say this -- they might as well call it Obamatown based on the sheer number of Obama paraphenelia I saw. Half the gift shops at the airport and the National Portrait gallery are dedicated to Obama merchandise. The Metro (subway) tickets have Obama's face on them. There are huge banners outside museums advertising Obama as the 44th president. Ben's Chili Bowl has a massive poster of Obama making a visit, and some bars I went to had Obama-related humor on the walls.

Now, I'm sure the Villagers can stay in a cocoon where they never ride the Metro and avoid gift shops and even scoff at public displays of Obama idolatry, but it just seemed to me that most of DC was pretty damn jazzed up about their new president. The locals told me it was 180 degrees from when Bush was in charge.


I Have No Doubt (4.00 / 4)
That's why I call it "Versailles".  It's not the geography.

It's a very insular crowd.  There's a real irony to the fact that they resented the Clinton's as invaders.  Obama's election and the response you describe is pretty much the god's getting even with them.  "Oh, you thought the Clinton's came in and disturbed the peace of your quaint little town.  Well, how about this!?!?"

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Don't Confuse the Two Washingtons (4.00 / 3)
The regular folks in service industries in Washington -- teachers, janitors, hotel clerks, plumbers, police officers, clerical workers, etc., are one Washington.  The other Washington -- a really small group -- is made up of people sent here by voters, constituency groups, associations and media outlets as well as young wannabes.  Don't blame one Washington for the clowns -- and yes, some really great folks -- sent here by the rest of the country.

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I think this is a very apt perspective (4.00 / 1)
Over the years I've met folks professionally who work for real beltway-system firms;  BAE, Level 3 Communications, Mitre, etc. in the D.C. area. Almost invaribly the people I met are from the south, mid-south or Tidewater OR are notherners who have gone to school at places like Washington & Lee, VMI, Auburn, etc.

I think culturally it is D.C.

Plus, D.C. is the first place on the I-95 corridor you can get really good biscuts without hopping over to the Eastern shore.  


As a Washington & Lee grad (4.00 / 1)
I can say you are correct sir. Many graduates do move 150 miles up the road to DC after graduation.

(I was a W&L Young Democrat... it's kind of like a secret society).


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Should read (4.00 / 1)
culturally, I think D.C. is southern.  

America may be tuning out "Versailles" (4.00 / 2)
Is America listening any more to the traditional media and punditocracy based in Washington? My partner has (finally) started reading some of the blogs I've been following over the past eight years. He's always been a liberal Democrat, like me, but when Obama won, he finally asked me "where did you read that...?" and I referred him to americablog.com. I think he's even got openleft.com on his list now and two or three weeks ago, without telling me, he ordered Mike Lux's new book (Progressive Revolution). I'm looking forward to reading it too when he finishes.

He's enthusiastic about where we're going now and he wants to read about it from folks who share that enthusiasm. Obama's dismissal of Washington insiders basically told him to ignore those gasbags. I think maybe lots of people have abandoned the establishment Washington media and we're seeing that reflected in these polls too.


Next Maybe? (4.00 / 2)
They start trying to play catch up with us?

Hire David Sirota, maybe?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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We can only hope... (0.00 / 0)
If not him, then someone like Maddow please or Olbermann.  In fact, lets get rid of Matthews and bring in Sirota and another progressive to replace him.   Turn MSNBC into the polar opposite of Fox news.


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There might be (4.00 / 1)
a huge difference between the normal everyday citizenry of Washington and those who just work there.

What is Obama's approval rating among the everyday residents of the city? I'm willing to gather it would be astronomical.  


DC (0.00 / 0)
Well DC is two different cities.    The "real" DC which is predominantly African American reminds me very much of the Urban South... Atlanta, New Orleans, etc.  Very Democrat, much of it very poor.

The other part of DC is almost its own region (although NOT a reference to  French royalty that is commonly used in a ridiculously incorrect metaphor.)   I won't call it insular, as the people are aware of what's going on much of the time.   Instead I'd call it elitist and self absorbed... THey know what happens outside, they just don't care.  Or they feel that THEY can change it by acting "better" than those not there.  Which is why I find the Versailles reference to be a poor choice in metaphor as the court of Versailles was more ignorant to the plight.   They didn't know what was going on and didn't care.    


Why is there a GOP in the NE? (0.00 / 0)
Republicans in the Northeast are both quantitatively different (nearly insignificant) and qualitatively different.  Let'e go for a few facts.

Republicans in Congress:  219 (both Houses)
Supporting Stimulus:  3
% supporting stimulus: 1%

Republicans in Northeast: 21
Supporting stimulus:  3
% supporting stimulus: 14%

Republicans outside Northeast:  188
Supporting stimulus: 0
% supporting stimulus: 0%

NE Republicans in House: 17
Number in 20 most moderate Republicans: 9
% that are "moderate": 53%

Other Republicans in House: 161
Number in 20 most moderate: 11
% that are "moderate": 7%

Snowe, Collins and Specter stamd aone in their Progressive Punch scores for Republicans  They all score in the mid 30s and are closer to Walt Minnick (lowest democratic score in the House) than to Chris Smith (top Republican score in the House).  Scores in the two chambers are only roughly comparable, still ...

What these polls do is show that in much of the Northeast Republicans are not welcome as Republicans electorally.  In order to survive, Republicans in the region mostly try to position themselves as members of a non-existent third party, "the moderates."  The problem is that it is the mainstrem Republicans who define and rule the party with an iron fist enforced by Club For Growth challenges.  I am defining "mainstream Republican" as outside the top 50 Progressive Punch scores , i.e. covering 128 of 178 House members (or 72% of House Republicans).  There are five mainstream Republicans in the Northeast:  3 from rural PA, one from western MD and Scott Garrett, R-NJ (cuckkoo though).  Garret is a Club For Growth special who was chosen because he was the most conservative Republican in the NJ state legislature (either house) at the time.  

The more the Republicans are pushing the unity theme and enforcing it the more they are driving these enablers off the cliff.  


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