A Slight Alternate View on IL-05

by: David Sirota

Wed Mar 04, 2009 at 13:55


I appreciate Chris's apology to folks about the IL-05 results, and I definitely agree with the spirit of his comment that mere moral victories are, at this point, frustrating. But if I may, let me file perhaps what we might call a Minority Opinion in this verdict.

I just wanted to add that (speaking only for me) I don't think an apology is necessary. I don't think any of us promoted Tom as anything other than A) a movement progressive B) a guy who had a steep uphill climb in a first race for Congress. Just because he lost doesn't make any of that untrue - nor do I believe it makes any contributions or work for him a waste worthy of apology."

David Sirota :: A Slight Alternate View on IL-05
Now sure, we all have different reasons for contributing to campaigns. Sometimes, we give to someone we don't love, but it's a really important contested race for a Republican seat, and that extra little boost can throw them over the goal line. Other times, we give out of movement solidarity to someone we love who has been a major part of our movement, knowing that they probably will lose. There's value in both those acts - in the aforementioned example, the former to help win an important seat, the latter in developing an important solidarity and incentive structure for movement participants.  

If we had portrayed Geoghegan as the former - a guy who was a frontrunner who needed our help to throw him over the goal line - and not the latter - a movement progressive facing tough odds - then sure, I guess we would owe people an apology for misleading them.* But I don't think we ever did that - and we didn't do it primarily because everyone from activists to the Chicago media had little clue what would happen in this race because it was so low turnout and so many candidates were in the race.

More importantly, I would hate to think that we see our movement - and specifically, the campaign contribution part of our movement - only as an investment tool for frontrunners, and that's it. There is occasional value in backing longshots, even if those longshots lose. In Geoghegan's case, I think the value is helping someone who has been a really important voice on so many issues, and who has over a long career had the courage to fight the good fight. He got beat by a pool of mostly career politicians - that's not surprising, but does it mean our contributions were a waste? I don't think so, and I think if we categorize it as such, we run the risk of becoming a bloodless investment fund - a typical PAC in the worst sense of the word.

I guess it just depends on your view of what our movement should be - and no one has a monopoly on that idea. My view of our movement is that yes, winnability should be a factor in deciding which candidates to prioritize. But it should be only one factor - and not always the deciding factor, especially in races like the IL-05 special election. Remember, in this race, we always knew that A) The support for Tom wouldn't throw the seat to a Republican B) We wouldn't rip down or attack another Democratic candidate. So in that sense, it was one of those rare races where winnability didn't have to be the singular deciding factor for support - it was one of those rare races where we had the luxury of being able to help a movement progressive knowing he was a longshot and knowing it wouldn't damage our broader movement priorities.

Indeed, in the modest promotion we did, I don't think anyone pushed winnability as the major reason to support Tom. We pushed his record - and so even in losing, I think we are helping do our part to create a support system that says to movement progressives that even if they aren't a frontrunner or a career politician, there's still the possibility that they can find movement support for their ambitions.

Tom losing sucks. I hate it. But I don't hate it because I feel my money or advocacy was a waste - I just hate it because Tom would have been a great congressperson and would have helped our movement even more in Congress than he already does in his labor law and writing work.

* And alternately, the absolute worst kind of loss is the one where you are compelled to contribute to a candidate you may not love because you are told they have the best chance of winning a tough district, only to watch them lose badly. That's really the worst.


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Maybe it wasn't necessary... (4.00 / 2)
But I certainly appreciate Chris owning up to his mistakes. I certainly don't think it was a mistake for most of you here to support Geoghegan. I just think he was facing a SEVERE uphill battle against more seasoned politicos and needed a better campaign to make up for that. Hopefully, this will remind folks here that Netroots support isn't enough to win a race like this one.

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.

Well David I agree (4.00 / 2)
and here is why:  A few weeks ago I thought Tom Geoghegan was an artist I had to study in Art Appreciation.  Last night I found myself logging in to check his status.  So the idea that I could be educated about a candidate and moved to root for him based on trusted blogger reportng is a testament to the influence The Bowers and Sirotas of the world have developed.  Now Tom has a little name id.  Got a following.  His message was heard.  And he did get a fair amount of votes.  But Andrew you miss the point; netroots support is not enough but consider that now, with us liberals bashing the Landrieus and Nelsons of the world, and moved to march for healthcare, netroots support is a path to viability for underfunded  (not rich) candidates.  And that is a good thing.  Because I now know that someday, thanks to these efforts, I too could make political runs based on the content of my ideas, not the approval of the DLC.

Unbiased reviews of internet traffic providers.  http://www.webtrafficfast.blog...

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No... (4.00 / 2)
I think you missed my point. I'm NOT trying to diminish Netroots influence. I'm just saying that the Netroots need to remember to stay in touch with the grassroots more often.

For instance, did you see this?

http://www.openleft.com/showCo...

And this?

http://www.openleft.com/showCo...

While all I heard here and on other blogs was that "Geoghegan is the ONLY progressive & he can win & we must make him win!", some local progressive groups were supporting other candidates (like Quigley) while the big progressive interest groups (unions, EMILY's List, etc.) were supporting other candidates (like Quigley and Feigenholtz). Perhaps instead of just hoping blog publicity would do the job, the Geoghegan forces should have invested earlier in basics like a good field program & building solid local support. And maybe, just maybe, we all should have been listening more to those in the know in Chicago & discovering for ourselves who's been on our side & who can really win this race.

Again, I'm not saying Netroots support is insignificant. Rather, I just think we need to work more to build alliances with the local grassroots to make it worth something in the non-Net world.

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.


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There was no "earlier" (0.00 / 0)
One point that I can't stress enough - there was no "earlier."  This was a 3-month campaign for the seasoned politicos who were ready to jump in right away, a 2-month campaign for those like Tom who had to talk to friends and family first.  

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The problem I have is similar to Darcy Burner (4.00 / 3)
I can appreciate getting behind a progressive democrat and using this platform to raise significant funds for them but we need to be pragmatic(I hate that word!).

We need to actually support people who can win so that we are taken seriously as a force.  There is a reason why you see in the WaPo and others that "liberal bloggers scream but aren't effective." Why?  Because our people aren't getting elected.  For all of the "support Darcy" nonstop campaign I'm sure there were half a dozen other progressive candidates around the country who had not lost a previous race and could have used the netroots support.  

Another thing that bothers me is that the netroots rarely focuses on minority progressives. Donna Edwards is an exception but with the lack of minority representation(especially in the senate) why aren't you guys working for not only more progressive voices but mninority voices?


Good point. (4.00 / 2)
Another thing that bothers me is that the netroots rarely focuses on minority progressives. Donna Edwards is an exception but with the lack of minority representation(especially in the senate) why aren't you guys working for not only more progressive voices but mninority voices?

I'd also like to see that, see us support more diversity, more people of color, more LGBT people, more women. So many in the MSM and among the Blue Dogs & CReeps like to stereotype us as a bunch of "rich lily white liberals". That couldn't be farther from the truth, but sometimes we don't help our own image by supporting a more diverse field of candidates. That does need to change.

Yes, Virginia, there are progressives in Nevada.


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Kevin Powell (4.00 / 1)
I think you are generalizing too much.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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Um Kevin Powell?!?! (0.00 / 0)
You do know his domestic violence background.  Sure he has cleaned his act up now (so he says) but lunging staplers at women and never apologizing to the women is  a problem for someone running for Congress.

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who else? (4.00 / 2)
The only way people learn about good challengers is when people on the ground broadcast their bona fides.  Who did we miss out on in 2007-08?

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One small disagreement (4.00 / 3)
There's always a tension between electable and desirable. In some districts, it's huge; in others not so much. If we want to proselytize -- and now is probably the most favorable environment for that since 1932 -- we have to commit significant resources in districts where we don't realistically have much of a chance. At its core, that was what Dean's fifty-state strategy was really about. We need to build a future, one in which the party claiming to represent us consists of more than one Terry McAuliffe, three or four billionaires, an AFL-CIO PAC, and a candidate vetted and certified by the DCCC.

Doing so, I'm sorry to say, will be a losing proposition much of the time. So what?


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There are 75 women in the House and 17 in the Senate (4.00 / 2)
Women are half the population.  While they may not be a traditional "minority", they are certainly underrepresented in congress.  Add in the fact that (on average) congresswomen are more liberal than their male colleagues and that makes a pretty good case for supporting someone like Darcy.

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The Manifesto of Done (4.00 / 2)
I posted this on Chris's apology, which isnt needed.

Hell Chris youOpenleft may as well apologize for the entire Obama administration right now, because no matter how far we move, no matter what progress we make, and no matter how many Americans are covered in how affordable a healthcare system, it will fall short of what could have been done. But thats just silly and counter productive. Because its getting done.

Here's the maifesto of DONE, its instructive and heart warming.


   The Cult of Done
   Manifesto

   1. There are three states of being. Not knowing, action and completion.
   2. Accept that everything is a first draft. It helps to get it done.
   3. There is no editing stage.
   4. Pretending you know what you're doing is almost the same as knowing what you are doing, so just accept that you know what you're doing even if you don't and do it.
   5. Banish procrastination. If you wait more than a week to get an idea done, abandon it.
   6. The point of being done is not to finish but to get other things done.
   7. Once you're done you can throw it away.
   8. Laugh at perfection. It's boring and keeps you from being done.
   9. People without dirty hands are wrong. Doing something makes you right.
   10. Failure counts as done. So do mistakes.
   11. Destruction is a variant of done.
   12. If you have an idea and publish it on the internet, that counts as a ghost of done.
   13. Done is the engine of more.

http://www.brepettis.com/blog/...

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


David I support your work (4.00 / 1)
though I don't always agree with you,  and you do a great job waving the bloody shirt on behalf of progressivism.

But with all due respect, I think you need to help yourself to a great big slice of humble pie.

Chris' apology wasn't necessary, but it was thoughtful and demonstrated a sensitivity to the community and to peoples pockets.



Nah, nothing to apologize for (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, but I have nothing to apologize for. We lost. It sucks. Anyone who tells you they can predict with certainty an election - and specifically a special election in Chicago - is lying to you, and we never did that. Not even close. We always said this was an uphill battle. It was. We lost...now we move on.

If you are looking for me to be someone who claims to know with certainty who is and who is not going to win these kinds of elections - you are looking in the wrong place. I never have done that, and I never will, and I won't apologize for that.


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I'm not looking for certainty from you or anyone else (4.00 / 2)
I am suggesting however, as one professional to another, that you may may want to consider a little humility now and again.

Your post was unnecessary, Chris's was classy even though he didn't need to post it.  


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I think there's a false binary there (4.00 / 3)
If we had portrayed Geoghegan as the former - a guy who was a frontrunner who needed our help to throw him over the goal line - and not the latter - a movement progressive facing tough odds - then sure, I guess we would owe people an apology for misleading them.

Between the binary poles of a frontrunner and a longshot lies the legitimate candidate who plausibly could win.  I think that was how you portrayed Geoghegan, and seeing as how he came in seventh with six percent of the vote, he evidently was not that.

Other times, we give out of movement solidarity to someone we love who has been a major part of our movement, knowing that they probably will lose.

If "probably" just means there's a 51% chance that Geoghegan isn't the eventual winner, then yes, you did adequately convey that Geoghegan was "probably" going to lose.  On the other hand, if you knew that Geoghegan was likely to get less than ten percent of the vote, and come in fifth, then I don't actually think you conveyed that to your readers adequately.  Overall, I think your write-ups of this race argued that Geoghegan had a legitimate chance of victory, a pretty good benchmark of which would be a likelihood of finishing in at least the top three.  This campaign came nowhere remotely close to that (seventh).  If you knew that Tom was likely to finish in single-digits, then you really should have told your readers that more clearly, and if you didn't know that, then like Chris, you should consider taking some responsibility for not having known it.

In short, supporting people that you know with total certainty will lose is cool, but your readers need to be informed that that is what you are asking of them, and I don't actually think you did that.  As I said in Chris' thread, I think the way Matt Stoller handled Larry Lessig's exploratory campaign exemplified that this can be done both candidly and successfully.


Well, I guess by that measure... (4.00 / 1)
Well, I guess by that measure, the Chicago Sun-Times, activists on the ground and anyone involved in the race has to apologize, because there was no polling at all done in the race, and the crowded field and low turnout made it impossible to know.

But then, at least for our part, we didn't pretend to know. Had we pretended to know, you're right - we should apologize. But we never did, and we never advocated Tom's candidacy based on his winnability - we advocated for him based on his movement credentials, and we did so without any financial interest in it on our own part.

He lost. It sucks. Now we move on. But apologize for advocating for him? Fuck that - I apologize for nothing of the kind. I don't apologize for working/advocating for good candidates who end up losing. I never will. And if I only wanted to work for winners, I'd be working and advocating only for incumbents. Sorry, but that ain't never gonna be my game.


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"Apologize for advocating for him" is a straw man. (4.00 / 2)
One that I actually anticipated specifically in my comment in Chris's thread:
And in case the Lessig example doesn't make my argument clear enough, I'm not arguing the straw-man case that Geoghegan should not have been supported at all, under any circumstances, and with any kind of exhortative rhetoric.  That's not my point.  Again, if one goes back to see how Matt handled Lessig, I think that's a model for how to do this well.

I think it's abundantly clear that I was not arguing that you should not have advocated for Geoghegan at all.

As for this from your comment:

anyone involved in the race has to apologize, because there was no polling at all done in the race, and the crowded field and low turnout made it impossible to know
I offer only this from Chris Bowers:
  1. Went in flying blind: There was only one poll on the campaign that I saw. The top three candidates in that poll finished in the top three, including a victory for the leader, Mike Quigley. Clearly, it was actually a good poll. The poll was conducted before Tom Geoghegan entered the campaign, and I thought the low numbers for the leader made it an attractive, and winnable, possibility. However, I probably should have waited for another poll showing Geoghegan at least in the mix, rather than just jumping in blindly.

  2. Kept disregarding warning signs: I should have taken more heed of the warning signs that kept appearing. Geoghegan was not endorsed by local unions, by local ward leaders, or local newspapers. Also, his field campaign was, from what I heard "good but not great." In such a low turnout election, all four of those factors are absolutely crucial. These warning signs kept appearing in January and February, and I did not take the appropriate caution from them. Again, I allowed my hopes of what could be achieved in a wide open, low-turnout primary to get the best of me.

And finally, from your comment:

Fuck that - I apologize for nothing of the kind. I don't apologize for working/advocating for good candidates who end up losing. I never will.
That's interesting, because Chris already apologized for this and previous campaigns, and Matt has too in the past (Mark Pera, Ed Fallon).  I wonder what you understand about this that they do not.

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We win the presidency and now we are acting all crazy (0.00 / 0)
I don't think anyone owes anyone an apology for advocating for someone they believe in for a few simple reasons:

a) if you can't think independently about spending your money wisely you shouldn't be clicking any donation button anywhere
b) if you do something simply because a blog post asked you see a)
c) if you donated to this race and you can't afford it because of this economy you might want to consider a) or not complain about being "coerced" into spending the money
d) the odds of donating to a winning political campaign are worse than winning most casino card games, unless you just donate to incumbents, as was already said.

I think there were plenty of good reasons to donate and I did and feel just fine doing it. I appreciate the posts and information I read about him on Openleft and other sites because I never would have thought to look into Geoghegan. Obviously Chris and David thought he was a good guy, and that made me consider him, but I didn't just click donate because of that. Geoghegan would have been a great addition to congress and as others have said this was a perfect opportunity to support an "outside" bid with no serious repercussions.

Since when does practice not make perfect, and since when is $350k raised by an outsider in a highly competitive primary bad news? If anyone should be giving apologies its Geoghegan if his loss is due to a crappy campaign. But, even then I'd need to see something pretty bad. Enough complaining about such stupid stuff like this, there are much more important things to spend you neurons on than a primary loss that doesn't matter.  


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I never got the Tom Geoghegan bandwagon (4.00 / 3)
Il-5, while a strange district that can go machine and crony (think Rosty and Blago - since Blago won becuase of his father-in-law not his faux progressivism), had a lot of good progressive candidates this time around.  There was not an ounce of difference between the candidates on labor, economic, sexual identity and environmental issues.  Tom, while a great writer and lawyer, was a dilettante when it came to politics and is frnakly inexperienced as a legislator.  So for Progressives to waste resources pushing someone like Tom to a major office (without his having any real experience in government) was irresponsible.  This was a vanity play not too different from that of I Write For The Economist and Work at U of C So I Am A Genius Charlie Wheelan.

Resources are scare, there are lots of battles out there.  There was no need to fight in this one to move the agenda.  Frankly,  SEIU members ought to pissed as hell that the union spent $250,000 on Sara.  


A hundred times, yes (0.00 / 0)
Even without debating the merits of Geoghegan vs Quigley or Geoghegan vs Feigenholtz, the most important point, at least to me, is that in a race where a progressive would win either way, why make the big push for donations?  Are we really at the point -- in THIS economy -- of taking your readership for granted and assuming bottomless pockets on demand?  Wouldn't it more important to be starting now to build a warchest to ensure that the needed funds will be there come primary time in 2010 to take on the all the Blue Dogs that we want to challenge?  Why waste time and money opposing proven progressives?  What did this guy Geoghegan do that had all the Establishment Eastern Liberal Bloggers in his pocket, but not the local ones, anyway?

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Not an ounce of difference? (4.00 / 2)
Take a look Geoghegan's issue stands and you will see that there are many ounces of difference between Geoghegan and the other Dem candidates -- and between him and about 90% of our current Congressional Dems as well.  For example, how many Dems in Congress right now are calling for nationalizing the banks? For an immediate moritorium on forclosures? For credit card debt forgiveness as part of the bailout? For working to double Social Security?  For single payer health care?

I wish he could have won (though am still thrilled that Quigley did win) but I hope that this campaign will propel him into a position where he can have an amplified voice going forward.  For example, I would love it if he could become a regular columnist somewhere.  Or join the Obama administration in some capacity.  Or become a senior policy advisor for XXX.  Something!


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I agree - no apology necessary... (4.00 / 2)
First off, Geoghegan is in a class by himself as a progressive compared to the other 11 candidates.  

If you believe, as I do, that we need to back the most progressive candidates that have a chance, slim as it may be, then you would support Tom.

If we followed the person who had the $$ and endorsements, we would have gone for Fritchey - you know, the State Rep who is also a registered lobbyist?  He had 10 times the signs around town compared to any other candidate but didn't turn out the vote.

I saw this as a chance to put an incredibly progressive person in a seat that would easily sustain this incredible progressive.  Think Jan Schakowsky.  Her district, which borders the 5th in Chicago, has sustained her for years and she's 4th on Progressive Punch's progressive listing.  That was the sort of opportunity we had.  A big risk? Yes, but a very principled one and one that had a chance, albeit slim.

I personally don't feel that anyone at OpenLeft said he was likely to win, but that he did have a chance.  In a 12-way primary, most standard rules don't apply so I was willing to take a principled stand and support Tom with my $$ and with about 20 hours over the last month.

His staff was adequate, but they did miss some opportunities.  For example, they apparently didn't submit the survey from the paper that always asks candidates a list of questions.  He showed as a "not returned", which by LGBT people often means that the candidate doesn't support LGBT issues.  So Feigenholtz got the endorsement, and it didn't do her much good.  Turnout was very light in the LGBT part of the district.

So thanks for being sensitive and strategic, and no second guessing on my end here.  We made the right choice in supporting Tom and I'd do it again.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr


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