Obama's Anti-Pragmatic Ideology vs. Universal Health Care

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Mar 07, 2009 at 13:30


In my earlier diary, "Hello! President Pragmatism! Over Here!", I discussed Michael Lind's article in Salon, "Obama's Timid Liberalism", which concluded:

It's not necessary to nudge the Obama administration leftward until it arrives at socialism. When it comes to the public provision of public goods, Eisenhower Republicanism would be just fine.

In my intro to that diary, I said:

This weekend I want to take a sharper, more clearly-defined look at the limits of Obama's progressivism, which this diary begins. Not surprisingly, the dividing line is not pragmatism, but good old-fashioned ideology: "neo"-liberalism vs. the real thing. A key distinction of the real thing is public provision of public goods.

Examples of those limits are everywhere, but none is better than the virtual exclusion of single-payer health care from discussion in the health-care debate.  Private insurance companies take roughly one third off the top for their bureaucracy, their advertising, their lobbying and their profits, and they don't contribute anything to providing health care.  In fact, they are a clear impediment, as millions of people know from their personal experience on a daily basis. They are, at this point, purely parasitical on our diseased political culture.  Yet, getting rid of them is politically unthinkable in Obama's mind, in the world he accepts as given.  On Democracy Now! on Friday, this was the topic of discussion with Harpers senior editor Luke Mitchell, author of the article "Sick in the head: Why America won't get the health-care system it needs."

Paul Rosenberg :: Obama's Anti-Pragmatic Ideology vs. Universal Health Care
From the interview, here is an early exchange:

AMY GOODMAN: So, why isn't single payer being considered? Why has it been rejected out of hand? Why do you think it's the only answer?

LUKE MITCHELL: Well, it's amazing how far-how out of hand it's been rejected. Max Baucus said a couple of months ago that everything is on the table. Max Baucus, the US senator who's going to have a big hand in coming up with whatever reform we do see this year, said everything is on the table, except single payer. He went out of his way to say that we can't have single payer.

Baucus, one should never forget, was the key figure in destroying the Clinton presidency.  One of Clinton's early agenda items had been repealing the 1872 mineral and mining act that virtually gives away public land mineral rights for free--a mere $5 per acre.  Clinton had campaigned on repealing the law as symbolic of wider long-standing problems revolving around private interests vs. the public good.  But Baucus opposed the repeal, and Clinton backed down.  Once other senators saw how easily Baucus rolled Clinton, Clinton never recovered.  Boren's opposition to Clinton's modest $15 billion stimulus is better remember, but it was simply the most high-profile example of the sort of internal sabotage Clinton suffered as a result of Baucus's first-out-of-the-box betrayal.  That's who Max Baucus is.  Mitchell continues:

And I think there are a couple of reasons why they're so explicitly rejecting it. One of them is that it's a threat to a great deal of people who are making a lot of money right now, which is to say the insurance companies. A single-payer system would take a lot of money out of the insurance system, the private insurance system. And it's also something that a lot of people in Washington understand as ideologically threatening, that is to say, they equate a single-payer system with what they call, quote, "socialized medicine," unquote.

So I think what Obama is trying to do is neutralize that threat and get, as he said, the imperfect rather than nothing. And maybe he's right. There's clearly a massive resistance to single payer on the Hill.

Yet, this explanation is questionable, at the very least--a point I'll return to below.

Despite the thrust of these comments, Mitchell himself talks about John Conyers' Single-Payer bill, HR 676, which has 100 co-sponsors--and, indeed, his Harpers article starts off in one of the regular meetings held by Conyers on his bill.  He also notes:

Many Americans appear actively to desire socialized medicine, even by that name. In one recent survey, a 45 percent plurality of Americans claimed to prefer a system of "socialized medicine." And another survey found that 59 percent of American physicians now support some form of national health insurance, up from 49 percent in 2002. Here was evidence, contrary to the Washington consensus, that in the American faith, markets were an easily discarded icon

Given these facts, it seems quite plausible that Obama could, at the very least, support full participation by single-payer advocates in the process, and come out with a far stronger program in the end as a result.  Indeed, it would seem to be a no-brainer.  Consider the kind of agenda-setting impact that such participation could have.  We can get a sense of that from how Mitchell's article in Harpers begins, as one can almost picture a younger Barack Obama as one of the participants in the meeting Conyers convenes to talk about single-payer healthcare:

I went to one of the meetings in July and found a hundred or so people stuffed into a stately conference room. Everyone had a notebook, but no one had the bored look of a political reporter. These were activists, young and mostly black or Hispanic....

The first to speak was a large man in an immaculate green suit. "My name is Kenny Barnes," he said in a raspy whisper, "and I've got an organization called ROOT, Reaching Out to Others Together. It deals with the-my son was murdered, by the way-and it deals with the epidemic of gun violence that's taking place in the United States of America." Barnes quickly explained this striking interjection. Children in Washington were being traumatized by a culture of gun violence, and they had little access to mental-health services. A lot of them were being labeled as learning-disabled when in fact what they probably had was post-traumatic stress disorder. They needed help and they weren't getting it.

Conyers thanked Barnes, and then more people spoke. Each of them told a similarly compelling story. A group of people had been forgotten; they needed help and they weren't getting it. Some of the groups fit within familiar bounds-minorities with AIDS, for example-but others were parsed to an almost surreal degree of precision. One woman spoke, persuasively, about the special problem of black men who don't floss. Another addressed the challenge stoplights present to old people who cannot walk across the street in the amount of time it takes for a green light to turn red. Conyers's aides, watching from seats next to the lectern, would occasionally stand and walk over to someone, whisper in an ear, shake a hand. I wondered what the speakers thought would happen as the result of their varied petitions.

Then two doctors began to put all the divisions and inequities into context. Dr. Walter Tsou, well-fed and graying, first gave a PowerPoint presentation brimming with data about health disparities between various groups in America. We learned that the black infant-mortality rate is still double the white infant-mortality rate, that many doctors are strangely reluctant to recommend cardiac catheterization for elderly black women with chest pain, that Asian Americans had a significantly higher occurrence of hepatitis B than non-Asian Americans until 1993, when doctors began vaccinating all newborns against the disease. Remedying these disparities, Dr. Tsou said, was not a matter of repairing the health-care system. It was a matter of repairing everything. Your health is determined not only by your genes, after all, but also by your environment. And that environment is determined by the rules society itself sets up-rules about who lives in what place, who goes to what school, who gets what job. "Until we actually address the social determinants of health," Dr. Tsou said, "we will not truly eliminate health disparities."

The next speaker, Dr. Robert Zarr, continued the line of thought. "The single most important reason why we see these disparities is lack of health insurance," he said, with staccato confidence. "That is the truth. It's the truth for those of us who have gone periods of our lives without health insurance. It's the truth for my patients." ....

Obama need not present himself as an advocte of single payer.  He doesn't have to spend that kind of political capital.  All he need do is let the kind of political testimony that Conyers elicits have a prominent place in the health care debate.  And with the level of support that's out there for it, there is every justification for doing so.  Yet, quite the contrary, Obama has clearly resisted letting such voices be heard.

Later in his article, Mitchell notes:

The market price of maintaining or slightly modifying the current system is indeed quite low; the health-care lobby-which is to say, all of the people who benefit from the current system-gave just under $150 million to Congress and the presidential candidates last year. That is a terrific bargain for them, but it does not explain why the rest of us are willing to sell our health so cheaply.

There are many reasons, I am sure, but most of them trace back in part to hegemony.  For one thing, people don't realize how not-alone they are in their political circumstances and attitudes, even as the system makes them very much alone in their personal circumstances.  This is, indeed, the very essence of hegemony: creating circumstances in people's everyday lives that make it impossible for them to fundamentally and effectively question the existing order from which their suffering flows, at least in part.

Obama could help change that, of course.  This is what he already did during the campaign, in a rather nebulous and diffuse way.  And more or less fundamental change is what the natural consequences of a realigning election should be, in an organic sense: When the political arrangements of one party system prove inadequate to the problems that continue to emerge, a new party system emerges that can bring new solutions to bear.  But hegemony always places a limit on that, and the more modernized and unified America's political culture hs become, the more intense the constraints of hegemony have become.

As noted in the introduction, Michael Lind provides a sharply focused lens for honing in on what that means ideologically: the privatization (piratization?) of public goods.  It's worth stepping back a bit to see how this works.

First off, there is broad public support for public provision of public goods.  I have repeatedly referred to the General Social Survey data showing that even extreme conservatives support stable or increased spending on things like Social Security, national health, even solving the problems of big cities, and increased aid for blacks and the poor.  This represents a fundamental divide between even everyday conservatives and hardcore movement conservatives.  So what the movement conservatives did, to avoid confronting this opposition head on, was to sneak in the backdoor. They didn't stop public spending on these important public goods, but they did start privatizing that spending in every way they could conceive of.  And every step of the way that they did this, they created more and more of a private infrastructure that benefited from the arrangement--a vast array of insider special interests, who were very, very much like the British East India Company, the archetypal Crown Corporation against which the American colonials revolted, and against which Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations.

This private infrastructure has nothing to do with "free enterprise," except as ideological cover. The no-bid contract and the massive no-strings bailout are their prototypical ideals.  Conservatives largely built them, though the original model for this--the military-industrial complex--was built by liberals (first Wilson during WWI, then FDR during WWII, and Truman in the Cold War afterwards).  And corporate liberals--as they were called in the 1960s, neo-liberals today--accept the framework that conservatives have created but only seek to make things more humane within the conservative framework of possibilities.  This is the neo-liberals' "grand bargain" you will hear Obama talk of from time to time.  Tony Blair called it "The Third Way", a term that Clintonistas and the DLC used as well from time to time.

In the case of health care, the cost of the neo-liberal grand bargain becomes sharply clear: the US is far outlier from all the rest of the industrialized nations, and it will remain so without single-payer, even if the number of uninsured does shrink dramatically.  And if that is the case, then cost increases and benefit cuts are inevitable--and will only grow more intense  over time.

To accept the conservative framework, as neo-liberals do, is to accept the basic logic, and then attempt to mitigate it.  And the basic Mitchell explains that basic logic quite succinctly:

Basically, the role of a private insurance company is to separate people who are going to get sick from people who are not going to get sick. They're very good at it. They use technology from companies like McKesson to do it. They're going to get better at it, as we get better at understanding why people become sick, with genetic and proteomic data. And what the insurance company's goal ultimately is to do is to create two perfect circles: one circle with people who never get sick and who have private insurance, and one circle with people who will get sick and don't have private insurance. Creating those two circles is very profitable. It takes a lot of money to do it, and it doesn't help a lot of Americans.

Indeed, this elegant formulation makes it perfectly clear that the aims of insurance companies are totally inimical to the purpose of a health care system.  

The problem here is inextricably ideological.  It is only the deification of the market (fully embodied in countless profit-making enterprises, of course) that is the source of America's unique problems.   If one is truly a pragmatist, then there's no problem at all in recognizing that markets don't always work, that they can create systemically perverse incentive systems--exactly such as Mitchell describes.

A true pragmatist would say, "Fine, private health insurance creates perverse incentives.  We won't use it."  It would just be as simple as that.  That doesn't mean "socialized medicine."  It doesn't mean government bureaucrats assigning you a doctor against your will, and then telling your doctor what they can and cannot do.  And it's only free-market ideologues--and their neo-liberal enablers--who think that that binary choice is the only one we have.

In short, there is nothing the least bit pragmatic about the neo-liberal's "pragmatic" compromise with the conservatives.  It is not just incredibly costly in the purely economic sense, it is systematically wrong-headed, ands its costliness ensures that many other things will have to be sacrificed to keep it in place.

There is nothing the least bit pragmatic about it at all.


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Damn you Paul Rosenberg! (4.00 / 1)
Here I write an impassioned Diary [Openleft and Single Payer] as a plea and call to action because healthcare isnt getting enough attention at openleft, and that very second you write and get it on the front page!

But well .  . . . thanks

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What Can I Say? (0.00 / 0)
It's my nefarious fiendishness.

Which you would have seen coming if you'd looked at future diaries.

But, you couldn't have known I was also planning on promoting the National Nurses Movement diary as well.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"if you'd looked at future diaries." (4.00 / 1)
Which you would have seen coming if you'd looked at future diaries.

I am sadly lacking in knowledge about this feature. I assume its a feature. Where do I look to see future diaries?


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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You've really knocked this one outta da park (2.67 / 3)
Excellent!

We are all about to pay dearly for Obama's devotion to the intellectually (and factually) bankrupt ideology of neo-liberalism. For all his talk about pragmatism, one only need look at his pushing "private accounts" for SS, so-called Medicare "reform" and his bottomless Executive Wealthcare Payout for bank CEOs to understand he's really not all that practical at all.

It's almost as if the current admin is waging war with reality.

We pay twice what the French pay per capita for healthcare and what do we get? 50 million (and growing rapidly) without any healthcare at all. Now all he speaks about is money. He wants to make healthcare cheaper for government. No talk about patients... or about the quality of healthcare. If all he cares about is money, which would be consistent for a neo-lib, then he isn't qualified to even discuss healthcare. He should be framing it in terms of Medical Industrial Policy or something.

If this is his idea of pragmatism............... In any case, I don't see how Obama is the least bit progressive. To me, at least, he's just another triangulating DLC-type. He puts a band-aid on a sucking chestwound and calls that reform! And of course, we can count on the fact that the patient won't live to tell his/her side of the story!



"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


Except (0.00 / 0)
While I think you're justified in what you say about his policies, my point is that there's a sort of bifrucation here.  I really do think he has progressive intentions.  But they're simply mismatched with an intellectual framework that can't possibly deliver.  

In short, it's not that he's hard-hearted, he's soft-headed.  That's the difference between the neoliberals at their best, and the conservatives, at their always.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If sopm,eone passes this short note to Barack will he get it? (4.00 / 1)
In short, it's not that he's hard-hearted, he's soft-headed.  That's the difference between the neoliberals at their best, and the conservatives, at their always.

This is some good insight and explanation.  

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Good point (4.00 / 2)
I don't think he's hard-hearted. Lots of very nice people support policies just because that's their ideological bias, not because they're necessarily assholes.

I do think that his early experience as an organizer gives him some insight to the suffering of the "little people," but thus far his policy positions don't indicate any real progressive intent behind them. So mostly I don't trust him when he says, "trust me," which is primarily what he says in all his public performances directed at the larger polity.

This, for me, is a flashback to the Clinton administration. He was so very good at saying, "I feel your pain...now go back to sleep," but then went on to make policies that are directly causing our current economic collapse...thus causing us all a great deal more pain while his friends got rich beyond most people's comprehension. Repealing Glass-Steagal, just for starters. It's not that he intended to cause the collapse of the US economy, it's just that he couldn't see (and still completely denies any culpability) the real costs of what he did.

It'll be a while before we see any real details on healthcare. So perhaps its premature to declare his efforts "lipstick on the proverbial pig." But as long as he sticks to the neo-liberal mantra about markets, private profits, socialized losses and simply trying to tweak the status quo ante, he is doomed to fail--regardless of what kind of spin people put on it.  The very idea that markets can provide people with high quality healthcare is laughable at best, dangerously delusional at worst. There's a reason why the rest of the developed world figured that out 50 years ago.

Thus far, if we start adding up his policies thus far, I don't see much evidence of a progressive administration. His Israel-Palestine positions are Bush-Lite (sorry, but Hillary is channeling Cher Condi far too well at the moment). The build-up in Afghanistan looks to be a disaster, since there's no strategy or end game. He signed an Executive order banning torture, but Leon Panetta reserved the right to torture people (specifically "going beyond the Army Field Manual) and renditions will continue. He's also taking BushCO positions with respect to illegal surveillance, the use of the State Secret's Privilege in court and covering up Bush war crimes as well.

All this without even going into his econ policies, which will almost certainly prolong and deepen the recession and sink his popularity at some point (he's getting really shitty advice from Summers and Geithner and should fire them)... all just to be a faithful to the neo-liberal position which is already in intellectual rigor mortis.

So if there's a progressive inside Obama screaming to get out, it needs to scream a little louder. A lot louder.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Agreed (4.00 / 2)
I do think that his early experience as an organizer gives him some insight to the suffering of the "little people," but thus far his policy positions don't indicate any real progressive intent behind them. So mostly I don't trust him when he says, "trust me," which is primarily what he says in all his public performances directed at the larger polity.

The only politicians you should trust, even a little are those who never say "trust me."  

Why?

Well, for one thing, both of them are dead.

Bottom line:  I tend to have a more positive view of his intentions than you do.  But intentions alone are not worth diddly squat.  He seems to want to break decisively with "the failed policies of the past" but only does so with the most egregious of them.  And given the depth chart on egregious over the last 20-30 years, that's just not going to cut it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
I also think you and I (most in the progressosphere, actually) have  very different definitions of "change" than most of DC does. They want change in some form, but it's mostly about tinkering around the edges so as not to upset the apple cart too much. There are vested interests to protect, after all.

As far as Obama's intentions go, I don't doubt for a moment that HE thinks he's doing what's right for the country. But it's also apparent he's getting a lot of bad advice, especially on the economy and that can sink him if he doesn't wise up but quick.

In the end, it's policies that matter, as you no doubt agree. There is still lots of time for him to surprise on the upside. I just hope he gets around to it sooner rather than later. I would love to see some evidence that he really is something of a progressive, or at least open to enacting progressive policies simply out of the need to solve our myriad crises.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Insurance industry scam (4.00 / 1)
A little over a year ago in Iowa Obama said that we can't get rid of private health insurance because the insurance companies provide too many jobs.  He added that the insurance companied employ three million people "that's a lot of jobs."  The funny thing is that he buys into "government waste" as something that needs to be shut down.  What about the larger waste of the military industrial complex and the jealth insurance vusiness.

Thanks, Paul, for this diary (3.00 / 4)
Single Payer strikes me the most compelling and consequential example before us of a progressive, populist policy that is being thwarted by corporate interests and their lackeys in the Congress.

Why is it supposedly impossible politically to get Single Payer implemented? Answer: because our corporate-corrupted politicians in Congress, Democrat and Republican, tell us that it is so. It is perfectly circular reasoning.  These servants of special interests say they refuse to push for such change because, they declare, it is a political impossibility. But why is it a political impossibility? Only because they, themselves, refuse to push for such change. Remove their own opposition to such change, based in truth on their own corruption by special interests, and the argument falls apart.

One could scarcely have a more perfect case of the interests of the people being lined up on one side, and those of the health care insurance industry and their toadies on the other.

To me, this is what strikes me as so completely disingenuous and worthless in Obama's promise to curtail the influence of lobbyists in his administration, and his more general claim that he will fight special interests.

Single payer is the paradigm example of where that fight should be fought, and before any other. If Obama's promise means nothing on this matter, how likely is he to get it right on others, and to adhere to the spirit and not just the letter of some campaign promise he may have made?

Essentially, his refusal (matched by the like cowardly refusal of all other Democratic candidates) to take up arms for Single Payer as part of his campaign and potential mandate was such an enormous pre-cave on the issues affecting the American people that he can and should never rise above a deep and basic disappointment in his capacity for effecting change.  


Yes, The Circular Logic Is The Heart Of It (4.00 / 1)
Because it can't be done, there's no use in trying.

And that's why it can't be done!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yet another reprise of the Clinton era! (4.00 / 1)
It's like a broken record, all this "impossible" talk from the usual suspects.

Back in the 90s, a lot of us tended to accept that. Now, there's too much at stake for people to accept it.

This time is different. I hope Obama starts getting that right quick.

(Sorry to rag on Clinton so much, but I just can't help myself sometimes. This is one of them.)

Make the pie higher, people!  :^P

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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Spot on (4.00 / 2)
Obama is so popular right now that what's "politically possible" is, to a large extent, up to him. We know that about 60% of the polity want a national healthcare system. We also know that without one, the current economic collapse will put 100 million people out of reach of basic healthcare, much less quality care. It's an emergency. We know that it's a matter of national health that we have one. We know, based on lots of empirical evidence, that a national health system would make our economy much healthier and more competitive.

It's the right thing to do for the country on all counts.

If Obama stood up and staked out that ground, he would own that ground and get a standing "O" from two-thirds of this country's population. So its all very possible. I mean, talk about a legacy to last for decades! Even taken as a selfish political matter for him it all looks great. Only a small mind would discount that.

The question is, will he do it?

At this point, I'd be amazed if this current confab on health policy goes anywhere once the corporate interests muck up the well with their infighting and outright bribery. Perhaps once that's worked its way through Obama's intestinal tract, he'll find some fortitude there.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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It Is Puzzling (4.00 / 1)
That Obama seems to so greatly under-estimate his political power right now.

It's like he's afraid of his own shadow, and doesn't seem to realize that it's high noon, and his shadow is nowhere to be found.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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doesn't that kind of assume (0.00 / 0)
that he would be inclined to do these things, but holds back because (rightly or wrongly) he doesn't think he has the support?

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.

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Well, Obviously Some Things He Doesn't Want To Do (0.00 / 0)
But some things he has to do.  And he just seems to be obviously making a good deal of political trouble for himself by not going big on at least a couple of fronts.  Surely he must know that if he just goes big on one front, it will give him much more leverage on everything else.  And what politician doesn't want leverage?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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umm (0.00 / 0)
Maybe he doesn't like single payer? as pointed out during his 2 year campaign? but na it has to be a secret thing he is hiding!

same with his Iraq policy and the budget! all what he said he would do but not what his heart REALLY wants!! which is socialism :)


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But He DOES Recognize That It's The Best System (0.00 / 0)
He just says, "there's all this legacy stuff, yadda-yadda-yadda."

So why not just usher the single-payer folks into the arena and let them do the heavy lifting of keeping everyone else honest, and come out with a stronger version of the plan he already favors, which is one that facilitates a longer-term transition to single-payer?

I think the reasons are multiple.  But one of them is what I assert here.  He really doesn't get what sort of power he has and what a rare opportunity this is.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Holy crap no. (4.00 / 2)
I think your original thought is closer to the mark (see my next post blow). Whats needed is to convince him not he has the power, but that we have his back, that we demand it, that it is not dangerous to go to the preferred single payer way, but more dangerous not to.

He is already convinced about the need for some actions, and ready to preform multiple sweeping changes. He needs to know that THIS ONE, is one that CAN NOT be ignored. And thats our job. This isn't some 'call your Congresscritter' type of thing. This a close off the streets, stop sending in money, march on Washington, fill the lobbies of the insurance companies or buy paint and color the streets red across the nation kind of thing.

I think this is one of the true elect democrats forever, make America better forever, "warm people's hearts and make them hopeful and convinced of their power" actions that we must do. MUST DO.

Where on the spectra of "saving peoples jobs", "rescuing the asshat's destroyed economy so we will have one to make fair", bring real potential for peace to the world, stop the earth from becoming uninhabitable and saving democracy this effort stands, but it is there. Its among the most important of the crises we face, it's among the most important of the solutions we can implement. And we can implement it. It is within our power,  within Obama's power if you insist. But it can be done. Something more than regretting his deficiencies is needed though.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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I Agree With This (4.00 / 1)
I think you misunderstood my comment, in at least two ways that I want to clarify.  (Not your fault.  Comments are necessarily limited and their unspoken context often matters a lot.)

First, I think that Obama has the power in large part because we have his back.  It's not an either/or thing.

Second, I was trying to address his own inner conflicts--a somewhat speculative endeavor, to be sure.  You are addressing the objective historical condition.  I was not meaning to deny the latter by talking about the former.  I agree 100% with you on the latter, and nothing I wrote was meant to contradict it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I ddint think you meant it that way, but needed to make the clarification for purposes of this important dialogue. (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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what to do (0.00 / 0)
you've laid this out really well here. but dang, it kind of leaves us with "well, we're screwed, shame about that", doesn't it?

do we go at this from the outside in? changing the public conversation to bring single payer in from the cold, and thereby influence what gets built?

or from the inside out? trying to work on the specific people and organizations that have influence, to somehow break the circular logic? (which ends up expanding the conversation)

seems like the latter approach is the only thing that could affect what is going to happen this year/term, but i can't think of where or how we have any real leverage. given that there are already a number of political actors with real clout (votes, money) who have been trying and not getting anywhere.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


Insight and action. Learning is a continuous process not just for those we seek to influence but for ourselves. (4.00 / 1)
In short, it's not that he's hard-hearted, he's soft-headed.  That's the difference between the neoliberals at their best, and the conservatives, at their always.

I already pointed to this above as a distinctly insightful and instructive recognition. While colorful and correctly, delightfully even audaciously impertinent, it captures directly the problem. Reading one's copy of Obama's Dreams From My Father, one recognizes, that while he included among his contemporaries, silly posturing leftists, and even "Marxist professors" they were literally dissmisible for their uselessness, even if they were and are to be part and parcel of the ad hoc unorganized group needing leadership and dose of sense.

This means two things: One - he possibly never met, or at least deeply discussed with anyone with a true progressive analysis that he admired and found convincing. So he has no real sense that, other than the fact that progressives and leftists share a feeling that something is wrong and needs fixing, there was no real analysis there to be investigated, explored and understood. He never got that there was a real analysis that described AND proscribed the problems and the implied resolutions. He merely understood, people are trying (badly) to find solutions. He thinks, the solutions format, the structure of a solution, doesn't matter. While as a lawyer, even constitutional law professor, he should understand that contractual obligations and their implications are the basis of our, even any, system.

Another writer here castigates him as a 'band-aid' politician, who through cowardice and other base reasons, pretends to solve problems, but in reality has no intention to solve any problem. This is on its face silly - the tax law changes, reversing years of Reaganite bull$#!7 anbti-progressive taxation literally transferring a trillion dollars of wealth back to middle and working class from the owning class. It, the silliness, also points to the second realization this should produce. Ridiculous posturing is antithetical to organizing, educating and progress.

"Socialized Medicine" isn't "angry Red Flag, bury the bastards alive in their Gas Guzzling SUVs!" it is sensible calm "this represents who we are as a people" - Canadian kind of an idea. Canada hasn't 'fallen' into some sort of "work camp for the bad thinking" commie dictatorship. In fact it has a still very "thriving none of our banks is failing capitalist state"

It has a very rightwing, though minority, government right this second, doing some very stupid and hurtful things, including following a lot of Bushlike solutions to 'protect' Canada from the i9nbternational economic collapse. But long long before they got their minority government status they promised very formally, very often, they would do nothing to alter Canada's HealthCare system. Altering the Health System in Canada, even moving toward Obama's semi-semi, half in half out, private-public partnership, is considered dangerously, even treasonously radical.

Canadians don't wear armbands, don't shout angrily in public speaking, and apologize to each other even at near violent demonstrations. This not to praise them unecessarily, but to make the distinction about posturing, redflaggyness and silly insulting posturing.

It kept real analysis from Obama, it hides the sensibleness of good policy.

I don't know how to get this sensible policy delivered convincingly to Obama and his team. I think Obama would listen, there are assuredly soem in his administration whop wouldn't, but iots not through posturing.

If there is a way, it would be through a combination of this:

Here we go! We will have to pound away to exhaustion  (4.00 / 1)
until it becomes a national debate.

Medicare isn't exactly free. I am on a fixed income and it is about$100 a month with the drug benefit. There are still many who can't afford that unless they are also on medicaid which pays those premiums. Hard to get on too.
by: abbeysbooks


And this:
there really needs to be a massive rally in DC in support  (4.00 / 4)
of single payer.  
by: teral @ Sat Mar 07, 2009 at 16:21

 Million uninsured march... (4.00 / 2)

If we could actually get a million... and I think there are enough pissed off sick people to do it... it would be incredible...
by: lord_mike @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 at 00:02
Oh yes it would (4.00 / 1)
Now how to get it going.
by: abbeysbooks @ Sun Mar 08, 2009 at 03:10
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