Eric Massa Votes Against Housing Bill Because He Doesn't Like People Outside His District

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:08


On Thursday, freshman Eric Massa, for whom we helped raise money in 2006, 2007 and 2008, was one of the twenty-four Democrats to vote against the Help Families Stay in Their Homes Act. His reasoning for this vote is self-contradictory, spiteful, hateful, and, dare I say it, borderline unpatriotic. In the extended entry, read the press release and see it for yourself.
Chris Bowers :: Eric Massa Votes Against Housing Bill Because He Doesn't Like People Outside His District
Congressman Eric Massa votes independent from Party Leadership

Rep. Massa stands up for his constituents by voting against Housing Bill

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today Congressman Eric Massa voted independent from his party leadership on the $75 billion Housing bill. Representative Massa said earlier in the week that he would vote against the bill as it was written at that point and today he stood by his word on the floor of the House of Representatives.

"I campaigned on a platform of standing as an independent voice and voting in the interests of my constituents, not a political party. Today I did just that because I didn't think the Housing bill delivered a proportionally fair amount of relief to the families of my district," said Congressman Massa moments after the vote. "With this in mind, I could not rationalize further deficit spending in the face of minimal assistance to the working families in our district. While there are a number of things that I did like in this bill, the projections in it demonstrated that it was largely targeted to States like California, Nevada and Florida where the housing crisis has hit the hardest, not Western New York. I support helping families refinance their adjustable rate mortgages to stay in their homes, but compared to many other states, Western New Yorkers would not benefit enough to warrant my vote."

There is no way I can raise money for someone espousing this level of stupidity.  And seriously--because the bill passed, the stupidity bothers me a lot more than the ideology in this case.  He admits the bill will help his constituents, and then claims he is standing up for his constituents by voting against it.  Then, he follows that Orwellian reasoning by arguing that legislation that he admits will not only people in his district, but also help people in other districts, should be opposed out of selfish spite because it doesn't help his district disproportionately.

Someone who thinks like this should not be in Congress.  Members of the legislative branch should not only vote for legislation that disproportionately benefits their own districts.  If you say that a piece of legislation will help people, but you oppose that piece of legislation because your corner of the country does not disproportionately benefit from it, then you have displayed not only an abusive relationship to members of your own district, but a rather shocking level of antipathy toward the residents of the other 434 congressional districts.  Does Eric Massa actively dislike the people who live outside of his district?  Given that he said that the housing bill will help them, but that he voted against it anyway, it is hard to conclude otherwise.

Really, Massa's line of reasoning is so bad here, I am tempted to submit a modified version of this blog post as an op-ed to the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. It is more than a little hypocritical for someone who raised $386K from Act Blue, and $554K from PACs to be so willing to give people outside his district the middle finger. If even 5% of that money came from the NY-29, it would be a shock.


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Really Chris (4.00 / 1)
You're running out of Democrats to hate.

Eric Massa doesn't have to face any voters except those in the 29th district of New York, who, btw, are tickled pink by his explanation for his vote.

He'll do just fine without you.  


But, um, Chris is right (4.00 / 10)
Massa's reasoning is ridiculous, moronic, self-serving, and myopic. How would he like it if the representatives from California, Nevada and Florida all voted against legislation that helped out voters in Massa's western New York district? And since when do we declare "every man for himself" while in a huge national economic crisis? Folks in CA have paid quite a lot of tax money to huge banks in New York, and you don't see our reps using that as a reason to vote against it.

Also, I notice that you don't actually defend Massa's vote or his logic in defense of that vote. Instead, you throw spitballs at Chris for showing some justified outrage.


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Something tells me (4.00 / 1)
if said legislation would be harmful to people in California, Nevada and Florida, they would vote against legislation that helps out Massa's district.

Massa didn't do anything unusual, he was just honest about it.


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the legislation (4.00 / 7)
Is not harmful to the people of his district.  It just doesn't disproportionately benefit them.  Massa is mad that the bill gives most help to where people are most in need.  He evidently would like a bill that gives each district 1/435th of the money, so Beverly Hills gets just as much bankruptcy help as Detroit.  That's absurd.  Is he going to oppose progressive taxation next?  Insist that every district get a military base of equal size?  



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Don't count on it (4.00 / 5)
I've got a ton of family in that district, and Act Blue is, by far, Eric Massa's top donor. It all came from blogs, and accounted for 20% of his fundraising.

But please, feel free to defend Eric Massa's logic here. Try to imagine what would happen to this country if everyone in Congress voted based on that reasoning.


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I think everyone in Congress (4.00 / 1)
does vote based on that reasoning unless they have higher ambitions. I know my Congressman has made similar votes against amendments and legislation he thought would be harmful to the district, even progressive ones. I have absolutely no problem with his reasoning...his wasn't a deciding vote, so he stood up for what he thought was better for his district...and judging by what I'm reading on the ground there and from local New York blogs, he's getting a lot of positive responses for it.

Just because you decide you will no longer support Massa doesn't mean no other blogs will.  


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Again (4.00 / 4)
Once again:

Just because you decide you will no longer support Massa doesn't mean no other blogs will.

Once again, don't count on it. Matt and I were the people who got blogs fundraising for him in the first place.

And if everyone in Congress voted on the same reasoning Massa uses here, then only people from high foreclosure districts would have voted for the bill. They didn't--not even close. Most of the highest foreclosure districts were in Republican areas, in fact.


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Riddle me this: (4.00 / 6)
Why is it that Democrats are having such a hard time acting like Democrats?  They talked about all the great things they would do if put back in, then so many screw us over.  How many are undermining the President now?  And why with policies that are favored?  Seems like they are more comfortable talking about progress than working for it.  Maybe some of both parties are ruled by corporate masters.  Massa betrayed us.  And the reason Texas, California, and New York have more foreclosures?  More population.  Duh.  Of course those states will disproportionately benefit.  Massa talks like he would prefer the Articles of the Confederation, every state or district for itself.  Chris is right, no one this myopic should be in congress, and he must be held accountable.  Primary his ass next round.

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Tooting your own horn... (0.00 / 1)
Once again, don't count on it. Matt and I were the people who got blogs fundraising for him in the first place.

Apparently this post was more of an opportunity to issue a self-congratulations than to actually criticize Massa. Or perhaps it was both.

If you don't raise for Massa, others will. I'm not one to let one vote or one issue stand in my way. This vote doesn't make him a Blue Dog. This vote doesn't make him any less progressive. We need people like Massa in Congress. I know I will be fundraising for him in 2010.

And if everyone in Congress voted on the same reasoning Massa uses here, then only people from high foreclosure districts would have voted for the bill. They didn't--not even close. Most of the highest foreclosure districts were in Republican areas, in fact.

If everyone voted on the same reasoning Massa utilizes, they would be doing their jobs: Representing the best interests of their district. That is why districts elect them. These aren't statewide elected officials like U.S. senators. These are representatives of individual districts.

While the last sentence of your comment is true, the same can be said of Democratic districts. Here in New York, the top five foreclosure districts are all blue. The foreclosure crisis doesn't discriminate. There were only seven Republicans that voted for the housing bill. I find that to be a bigger crime than what Massa did.

Massa's argument against the bill was, like it or not, a sound one. What can the Republicans offer? That they voted against the housing bill because it was sponsored by a Democrat?  

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interests (4.00 / 2)
If everyone voted on the same reasoning Massa utilizes, they would be doing their jobs: Representing the best interests of their district.

Your operational definition of interests is rather narrow and parochial.  If every member of congress insisted that every bill disproportionately favour their district, nothing would ever pass.  By definition bills cannot favour every district.

Also, we expect Democrats to understand something of the idea that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and the point of the legislation is not pork barrel redistribution (for which every member should insist on their fair share) but to solve a bigger economic problem - the cascade effects of mass forclosure on the whole economy.  So if the legislation had failed, would Massa's district be better served?  

Say there was a slow moving plague in California.  Should Massa vote against funding for a cure because the money doesn't go to his district?  Or is he supposed to understand curing the plague over there will prevent his constituents being afflicted?

Call it "enlightened self interest" if you want.  Best interest of the nation is best interest of your constituents.


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Chris really stop it (0.00 / 0)
you're not that big of a deal.

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No (0.00 / 0)
this is Chris trying to convince you that he has some major pull in Western New York and can bring down Eric Massa all by himself.

To quote robert at The Albany Project;

I do, however, take solace in the fact that about 99 percent of the 29th congressional district could care less who Chris Bowers is.

But I guarantee you they know who Eric Massa is.

So Chris, disagree if you must, try doing it respectfully would be nice, but as of right now, we New Yorkers have no reason to think Massa is anything other than a stand up guy looking for for what's best for his district. If you don't like it, fine, get a primary challenge, tell them to run their "Massa only cares about you and not everyone else" campaign and watch them go down in flames like Mark Pera, Dan Seals, Darcy Burner, Tom Geogehan, Linda Stender, Judy Feder, Jim Esch, Raul Martinez, Annette Taddeo, Charlie Brown, Gary Trauner, Jill Derby, Larry Grant, Linda Ketner, Lois Murphy and every other progressive hero you though you could get elected with your perceived influence only to watch them be left in the dust.  


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Nonsense (4.00 / 5)
There are plenty of districts where LGBT individuals make up the tiniest percentage of the population, and the Representative still does the right thing, with no higher ambitions at all. Massa will vote for several pieces of LGBT rights legislation despite the fact that some pieces will benefit San Francisco a lot more than Olean.

Not to mention opening himself up to a nice hypocrisy attack on that principle. Rest assured Massa will find himself having to explain voting FOR plenty of bills that do next to nothing for WNY.

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He would not be (4.00 / 2)
in congress wthout Chris and Matt and the blogosphere help.

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And the blogsphere will help him again (0.00 / 1)
just not Chris...Chris and Matt AREN'T the blogsphere...and if you went elsewhere, you'd fine out, they aren't even that popular off OpenLeft

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Well… (0.00 / 0)
...all those blogs that are not Open Left disproportionately cover issues I don't care about, so why read them?

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you don't have to (0.00 / 0)
I'm just making the point that Chris, David, Matt and OpenLeft aren't the blogsphere, just a piece of it and don't control what they collectively do.


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And I'm trying to make the point… (0.00 / 0)
...that putting your head in the sand and blocking out all that isn't in your interest is kind of overdoing things, whether you're a reader looking for current events info or a congressman serving one district in a country connected by an economy, a culture, whatever.

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Could you be anymore personal and insulting? (0.00 / 0)
Whether you agree or not, you don't need to be so rude crude.

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Sure I can (0.00 / 0)
I can be Chris Bowers in this diary. This is about the most disgusting crude piece of crap I've ever read...unpatriotic? spiteful? hateful? Chris has shown himself to be nothing more than a liberal Ann Coulter.

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That's true (0.00 / 0)
But you assume that no one else in the blogosphere will read this post.  Or that they will and disagree with Chris anyway.

Besides, if it's published in the local paper, it don't matter who writes it.  If the argument is compelling, the locals will be convinced by it and vote accordingly.  Maybe a fellow Democrat that cares about his country as well as his district will put up a primary fight.  And get supported by OpenLeft, ActBlue, etc, and knock him off.  It could happen.  :)


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They are disagreeing with him (0.00 / 0)
They are vehemently disagreeing with him. I urge you to check out the New York blogs.


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When someone we worked to elect (4.00 / 3)
does something stupid they deserve to be called out. Massa voted against the best interest of the country. I live in California and contributed a small amount to Massa via ActBlue. I won't go so far to say that I feel cheated -- but this information prompted me to call his office and let them know how unhappy I am about his vote. Kudos to Chris for bringing this to light. If we ever expect to move a progressive agenda forward we must hold our own accountable.

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Also (0.00 / 0)
what about Larry Kissell?  

Kissell does need to answer the q (0.00 / 0)
Many of us gave money to his campaign in 2006 and 2008.  This isn't exactly standing up for the little guy.   Blue NC has a lot of comments on it about Kissell.  

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Massa's welcome here (0.00 / 0)
I agree that Massa's explanation of his vote sounds hammy. And it's exciting to learn from no-less-than Chris Bowers that western New York has Democratic congressmen to spare. If Mr. Bowers is successful in running Massa out of office in New York, I sure hope he will consider moving to and running in Wisconsin where we can't get a single soul to run against our lame-ass Republican representative Jim Sensenbrenner.

Hey, Bowers: calm down for a sec. I think I gave money to Massa after one or two of your calls over the past few years. His vote against this bill may be a mistake as you say. From where I live in Wisconsin, it sure seems that California and New York have a lot more in common (size, national political influence, paying more in federal taxes than they get back in return) and so what's his point in voting against a bill that helps another state. If his district has a better, more progressive / socialist Democrat, then I'm all in favor of supporting that candidate, too. But when you turn on the guy in the tone you've used, it makes it sound like your first judgement to support him was a bad one. You damage your own credibility. Maybe, just maybe, the guy thinks for himself and he's not perfect. Surely it's better to have a Democrat in office in the district than not.


ActBlue got played (4.00 / 2)
The whole idea is to elect representatives to Congress who will act in the best interests of the people, not only in their district, but in the U.S. as a whole.

No selfish genes allowed. He is not what he pretended to be: progressive. Let him get his money from the RNC next election.

The same holds true for Obama. Regardless of what's in his heart, he took big bucks from the Wall Street money people for his campaign, and Summers is there to enforce the contract. The problem is, Obama took a lot of money, sweat and tears from working class Americans to win the presidency, and those people have a contract with him as well and expect him to keep it.


The rationale given here... (2.00 / 2)
Is quite strong, really. Insinuating that a patriot like Eric Massa is un-American (and yes, Chris, you did that by saying that the vote is "borderline unpatriotic") is, in itself, spiteful and hateful. I'm not saying that you must agree with every vote or everything Massa says, but even if he doesn't vote your way, at least disagree with him in a respectful manner. After all, for years our own patriotism was questioned when we went against the grain. We didn't like that. So we shouldn't be spewing the same hate when someone rubs us the wrong way.

Massa's vote was in the best interests of his district. He felt that it didn't do enough for his district while acknowledging in the press release above that there were elements to the bill he liked. So he didn't hate the bill. But he didn't like it for his district.

For the record, I didn't hear any progressive outrage from the likes of you, Chris, when Henry Waxman voted repeatedly against the Farm Bill last year. Even Kucinich voted against it at one point. So it works both ways. Obviously, those two men saw something in that bill that they didn't like, whether it was based on their own opinions or whether it was because it didn't do anything for the district. But I didn't complain about that. The Farm Bill passed, just as the housing bill did.

We need to learn when and where to pick our battles as a movement. Here we are, chastising Massa over a vote that he made known days before that he was going to cast. We have other battles to fight. We have a special election in New York that has a lot of our attention. I don't see the value in attacking Massa, especially as low as you go Chris.

As I said, we need to pick our battles. I'm not saying you should be forced into liking Massa's vote. In my opinion, the housing bill was a solid piece of legislation that deserved passage. In Massa's opinion, it didn't do enough for his district.

That isn't exactly a rationale deserving of the words "spiteful, hateful" and "unpatriotic."

It is one thing to question our elected officials, which we all should do. It is another to equate their actions with un-American activities, unless such a label is deserved. In this case, that label isn't deserved. It is rather insulting to the intelligence of this movement.  

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What ever rationale this is - it doesn't wash - (0.00 / 0)
It is known as an excuse. Why he voted against this probably has more mundane and obvious reasons. I don't know if he is scared, was offered money nor that he is merely unimaginably thick, just that this is in opposition to why he was supported for election, and why he will be chosen for being primaried.  

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I'm sorry (0.00 / 0)
but he was supported in this election to represent the people of the 29th district of New York and that's why he will trounch any primary challenge you throw at him.

What is your argument, he wasn't thinking of the people of California first?  


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My argument is that progressives will be supporting someone else (0.00 / 0)
becasue he is not acting as if he was a member of the Democratic caucus. We can support who we think America needs, and you can support people who don't make even logical excuses for why they can't support our popular President and caucus during a time grave National, even world crisis.

Please support who you think represents the wishes of NY 2th, its your right, even your duty. The same is true of progressives who support our President, who support homeowners, and will support a candidate whose voting record doesn't need bizarre excuses and who can make logical arguments.

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No you want to primary him (0.00 / 0)
Go ahead and support someone else, and watch them piss you off to, because I'm sure they will at some point and watch Massa win reelection without you, because he will, because New Yorkers will support him.

But you think a primary challenge is a good idea...that is stupid.  


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Unpatriotic? (0.00 / 0)
So it's unpatriotic for a Congressional representative to take a different side than his base?  C'mon now Chris, you're delving into wingnut talking points.  Being angry at one of our own is one thing, but calling them unpatriotic is a much, much different thing.  

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Politics (0.00 / 0)
Has anyone stopped once to think that, unfortunately, Massa has another race to win in two years?

His election was a pretty close one, and in an R+5 district at that. Perhaps he's being smarts and building up his popularity to assure his place in Congress for years to come.

I'm not defending those political games, but I also don't think that being outwardly progressive so early in the game is going to win him many voters. Yes, he won on those ideals, but I can see why he'd want to cement himself.


I didn't always agree with Wellstone (0.00 / 0)
I have no problem calling out anyone on a vote. But unless this becomes a pattern one vote of this sort is not enough for me to not support someone in the future.

Exactly… (0.00 / 0)
...I think prudence demands we stay tuned to Massa's voting record, but even though his rationale stinks, this is one bill that passed without him. My gut tells me he knew it would, for whatever that's worth. Although I think these times are too extraordinary for anyone to respond so parochially (provincially?), this wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. I also think, however, that as the Republican Party publicly self-destructs it's going to be an imperative to hold Democrats to a higher standard--just so they can't use the Dem affiliation as cover for centrism.

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Coming out against the budget as well (4.00 / 2)
Massa has been a big let down. He's not in a district that a primary makes sense, but a lot of people worked very hard to get him elected and he's screwing them over very quickly so far.  

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Even Worse (0.00 / 0)
His argument that the bill would help the hardest states like California, Nevada, and Florida more than western New York is just flat out wrong anyway!  In those markets, home prices have fallen too far and too fast in order for the vast majority of homeowners to take advantage of the new refinancing rules.  Those rules State that if you owe between 80-105% of your home's value, then you are now eligible to refinance - whereas before you must owe less than 80%.  Now, the problem is that in the hardest hit states, people are way more underwater than this.  Most of the articles analyzing the impact of the housing plan have noted this fact, so it is inexcusable for Mass to have this so wrong!  

Even so, it does seem that maybe he voted against the bill because he wanted even more help for his district - that is, he did so from the left not the right.    


And he's also saying (4.00 / 1)
that he will not support Obama's budget. Mostly beacuse he claims that "every farmer in his district" would be cut off my Obama's ag subsides cut (really, all the farmers in his district make over $500,000?)

Massa has been a big disappointment.

On the other hand, I've been very happy with Better Democrat Tom Perriello. He voted for the stimulus, against TARP 2, for the housing bill and has said he will vote for the budget. And he's in a much tougher district then Massa. He should go on the Better Democrats list again for sure along with Grayson.  

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