Elite Democratic Policy Consensus

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 19:00


This is interesting from Edwards today:

[I]f we have actionable intelligence about imminent terrorist activity, and the Pakistan government refuses to act, we will.

Which sounds a lot like Obama last month:

If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.

This reminds of me when I recently looked up the global warming plans of the "top three" candidates. Clinton says:

She supports an 80% pollution reduction by the year 2050… Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming.

Obama says:

Barack Obama supports implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions 80 percent by 2050.

Edwards says:

Capping greenhouse gas pollution starting in 2010 with a cap-and-trade system, and reducing it by 15 percent by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050,

Are all of these plans written by exactly the same people? They are certainly sound identical. It kind of makes you wonder if there is any meaningful policy differences between what I am now hearing more and more people call Hillary Edwama. It even makes you wonder if the primary matters at all, because no matter who wins, the same centrist Democratic policy establishment will be in charge of developing policy under the coming trifecta. This means residual forces in Iraq, no reduction in the national security state, mandated health coverage instead of single-payer, cap and trade instead of a carbon tax, and a whole bunch of other compromise stuff on things like trade and immigration reform. The policy consensus coming from Democrats, which always seems to oppose the most common progressive solution, is extremely disturbing. It certainly isn't Bush-esque, but it always seems to start out in a third-way, compromised position. It also makes the rare progressive stances from Dodd on global warming, Richardson on residual forces, and Kucinich on the national Security state really stand out. Despite being common in the progressive mainstream, those positions look very unusual within the Democratic policy community.

There are some differences, but those differences are often hidden from view and difficult to spot. Tom Edsall points to one difference between the foreign policy advisors of Clinton and Obama:

Months before the war in Iraq began, the battle within the Democratic foreign policy establishment was engaged.

In late 2002 and throughout 2003, at such think-tanks as the Brookings Institution, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, many eminent scholars, policy intellectuals and politicians out of power lined up for and against Bush's war plans.

On one side were a number who opposed the war -- among them Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ivo Daalder, Susan Rice, and Lawrence Korb -- all of whom called for a broader, multinational coalition, intensified weapons inspections and expanded diplomacy.(…)

On the other side of the Democratic divide were the early backers of the drive to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein, including Richard Holbrooke, Sandy Berger and Martin Indyk.(…)

The well-publicized contrast between Hillary Clinton's early backing of the Bush administration's war effort and Barack Obama's early opposition, has to a degree been replicated in the less visible network of foreign policy advisers that each candidate has cultivated -- the early war opponents by Obama, and the one-time hawks by Clinton.

OK, now that is really good information on the difference between the candidates. It may not be the same as a break with standard Democratic policy orthodoxy, ala Dodd on the carbon tax or Richardson on no residual forces, but it is a start. While I do not see a meaningful difference between Obama and Clinton's redeployment plans, it is good to know that Obama has surrounded himself mainly with foreign policy advisors who opposed the war from the start, while Clinton has surrounded herself with advisors who mainly favored the war at the start. That strikes me as a potentially meaningful difference in the way they would govern during unforeseen circumstances.

But returning to the larger point, I wonder how the progressive grassroots can make a dent in elite Democratic foreign policy circles that seem to repeatedly and nearly ubiquitously favor centrist policies over progressive ones: cap and trade over carbon tax, mandated coverage versus single payer, maintaining the national security state versus reducing it, etc. Just as I discussed earlier today when it comes to Democratic primaries,and elite control of the concept of Democratic electability, these elite circles appear to have a stranglehold over decision making in the development of governmental policy, and they always seem to favor more conservative, pro-business policies. With an anti-progressive, pro-corporate, establishment elite primarily in control of who becomes Democratic nominees, what legislative policies we propose, and how our elected officials should act in order to remain "electable," basically the progressive movement is screwed when it comes to forging a progressive governing majority. These are just three of the major barrier we face when it comes to overthrowing the working conservative majority in Washington. It will take a long-term effort to overcome them all.

Chris Bowers :: Elite Democratic Policy Consensus

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On those issues... (0.00 / 0)
Two second-tier candidates have better positions (Dodd on climate change; Richardson on Iraq).

That being said, I still think there are definitive differences between how the top candidates would act on some issues (e.g. health care), as well as what issues would receive focus (for example, I think Obama or Edwards would be much more receptive to poverty issues than Clinton will ever be).


There's a reason. (0.00 / 0)
....second tier candidates have a bit more varied positions on particular issues.

It doesn't matter what they say. They can plop down anything (eg. Kucinich at the GLBT debate on LOGO) and they are just hoping that wild statement will gain them some traction.

Just because the top tier candidates agree on some issues doesn't mean that they are led around by some 'elite' force. The other way of looking at it is that it's good democratic presidential candidates can have some common ground. Otherwise, if they were all so completely different you'd have no party unity. That's because during the primaries there would be such defined camps (and these would most likely last after and through the GE) that there could be no consensus met for legislation because you've split the democratic party.

Honestly, I think this whole diary is reaching to create drama.


[ Parent ]
Gore (0.00 / 0)
If he's not on the ballot, write him in.

Chris, keep digging (4.00 / 1)
The things you are writing are what I have always in the back of my mind thought was going on.  The netroots are a powerful innovation in helping to get progressives elected, but the elite consensus still determines the boundaries of policy.  This stuff is fascinating from a political science academic perspective, but more importantly, its exactly what's holding this country back and it needs to be uncovered. 

Long-Term Change (4.00 / 3)
Chris, this is an excellent analysis. The power elite is really powerful and they use their power to make it almost impossible even for a progressive perspective to be heard -- for example, how many peace activists have you heard interviewd in the mainstream media (besides Cindy Sheehan) in the last 4 years? When it comes to Presidential candidates, any voice outside of the power elite consensus is ridiculed and ignored (think of such people as Kucinich, Nader, and Jerry Brown when he is being a leftist). Only Hillary Edwama can be heard or considered "electable".

I think your efforts to defeat Republicans and challenge the Bush Dogs is exactly right and will be effective. We also need to challenge or bypass the mainstream media, and the progressive blogosphere is doing a pretty good job of this. But it will take time and lots of effort. The Right has been undoing our gains for most of the last 40 years. The country has been going the wrong direction for a very long time and it will take quite a lot to turn it around.

To me, the long-term solution is building a strong, grassroots movement of people who really understand how the power elite control things as well as how our destructive cultural conditioning and our own dysfunctional emotional conditioning interfere in our work. We must overcome these as well as overcome the widespread ignorance about these things and about the good ways to overcome them that have been developed over the last 300 years. We also need to deal with the fact that progressives have an appalling lack of resources -- your lack of healthcare earlier this year is just one small example.

Fortunately, I feel the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s provides a really good model for overcoming these five obstacles. And what has been learned since the 1960s can make it more likely that we can sustain a movement for more than a decade or two. Also, blogs and other Internet technologies we now have available make it much easier to reach people and provide the information that will empower them. I've been very impressed with the work OpenLeft and some of the other progressive blogs have done in helping to construct a grassroots progressive movement.

The obstacles we face are daunting, but people and social movements have overcome them in the past. It can be done because it has been done before on a small scale and on a large scale for short periods of time -- all we need to do is figure out how to do it on a very large scale over a long period of time.

This understanding is what prompted me to write Inciting Democracy: A Practical Proposal for Creating a Good Society (shameless plug). This book looks at the very long-term -- 80 years -- and asks how we can build a powerful grassroots movement able to overcome the conservative power elite once and for all. In writing the book, I came up with one proposal for reaching our goal, but this proposal doesn't include blogs or the netroots (since these didn't exist when I was writing the book). Clearly, there are other possible solutions. But I wrote the book because it seemed like no one was putting forward any long-term strategies that had any chance of actually creating a good society. If you are interested, Inciting Democracy is available for free download (one pdf file per chapter) here.

We can create a good society. The work you and OpenLeft are doing is making it happen. Let's keep working on it.


the carbon tax is especially disturbing (0.00 / 0)
When I find The Economist(!) and the progressive behind the carbon tax, and the industry and the Democratic elites behind the cap-and-trade, I know we are getting something right, but it is very discouraging as you say.  Unfortunately, I think everyone is afraid of something called a tax.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I'm not sure (0.00 / 0)
I'm involved with several environmental groups, and there is no consensus among environmentalists that a carbon tax is the right way to deal with this issue either.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

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Compromises like Cap and Trade (0.00 / 0)
were not initially Democratic policy in the 70's.  Cap and trade is an 70/80's/90's accomodation by Democrats to the force of the Republican counter revolution in particular the concept of govt. regulation. 

Jimmy Carter is incriminated here...the first Democratic president to accede to the Republican mantra that regulation is bad and no regulation is good.  Dems before would just have mandated certain non pollution targets and forced industry to find the market/technological fixes.

Cap and trade is the result of Democrats looking for some kind of market based way of delaing with pollution.  And when you begin it might work up to a point but if you really want to get rid of pollution it obviously doesn't...it just moves it around and monetizes it. 

Democrats felt they had to fight the R's and prove that Democrats don't hate capitalism and capitalists ( esp when money in elelctions began to matter even more) This became even more potent an argument with the fall of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of communism and by implication the supposed failure of all kinds of socialistic ideas ( from regulations to public education)

It once wasn't the Democratic consensus ... regulation used to be the Democratic consensus.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


Breaking the Vichy/Enron Democratic Stranglehold (4.00 / 1)
But returning to the larger point, I wonder how the progressive grassroots can make a dent in elite Democratic foreign policy circles that seem to repeatedly and nearly ubiquitously favor centrist policies over progressive ones: cap and trade over carbon tax, mandated coverage versus single payer, maintaining the national security state versus reducing it, etc.

Each of these matters can be unblocked by just one state or even one city-state (like Seattle-Washington on health care) by exercising its sovereign powers and some economic and engineering sense. What is a foreign-policy elite of chicken-hawks and bond-lawyers good for anyway?

In a global market economy success breeds success on an appropriate scale -- generally much less than the scale of concessions and subsidies tended in Washington-New York-London.

The most surprising would be dealing with the "security", actually garrison, state on a state level. What? That's strictly federal, no?

Actually, no, states have the right to maintain a "well regulated" militia. They stopped doing that in 1905. The National Guard is not a militia. A few states should do it for civil liberty and military security reasons. No, those are not opposites.

But, they could, actually, do it for plain, old economic development reasons.

Consider just two examples:

Military Remittances

The regular forces of the US are rank-inflated, top-heavy, and poorly equipped for anything but Pentagon budget wars. Any state could create volunteer companies and brigades with more appropriate doctrine, ordnance, training, and leadership than the military bureaucracy and Congressional flabocracy have come up with since the Civil War.

The state rents out the unit: It would not be that hard to both outperform and underbid Blackwater, Triple Canopy, and the rest of the mercenary companies. Switzerland and Nepal used to do a lot of this, and still do a little bit of it.

Sovereign Wealth Funds and Small Diesel Engines

Now, there is a surfeit of arms production capacity in the US and the whole world: It largely consists of oversized, state-controled firms among the central powers of the Great, World, and Cold Wars, plus undersized import-substitution "mills" in much of the rest of the world.

The economic development opportunities arise from using co-production and public credit to realize conversion from military to civilian production, in particular, where the integration of green technologies are concerned. For instance, the military uses small, modular, multi-fuel diesel engines, including hybrids. These are "tweaked" for extreme reliablity and moderate durability, but can be "tweaked" for moderate reliability and extreme economy. In any case, an inordinate proportion of experienced and highly patriotic skilled and professional workforce are tied up filling out forms for the political and financial tenders, not doing anything useful even during a war that has not inconvenienced high net-worth taxpayers or no net-worth political and economic parasites.

I just cannot fit any of this nineteenth or twenty-first century innovation into the twentieth century universe of catastrophe-prone, blustering Republicans and risk-averse, whining Democratic office-squatters.

 

::JRBehrman


Laughing out loud (0.00 / 0)
Because if I didn't laugh, I'd cry.  Anyone care to suggest how I might respond to this inquiry from my Blue/Bush Dog Senator Salazar?  Excerpted from his "newsletter" today:

The month of September will be extremely important for our Nation on the issue of Iraq and the Middle East. Please let me know what you think are the best ways to find a bipartisan way forward in Iraq and the Middle East. Majority Leader Reid has recently mentioned my bipartisan Iraq Study Group (ISG) bill as one possible bill to be used as a vehicle to chart a new course in Iraq.

Bipartisan?  Hardly.  I've already told the man to get us the h*ll out of Iraq and to keep us the f*ck out of Iran on more occasions than I care to count.

I think this is what it feels like when you suddenly discover that your steering column is no longer connected to the front wheels of your car on a 16% grade.  It's a real fast run to the bottom with a guaranteed *splat* at the end.  Color me Road Kill.


Compromises like Cap and Trade (0.00 / 0)
were not initially Democratic policy in the 70's.  Cap and trade is an 70/80's/90's accomodation by Democrats to the force of the Republican counter revolution in particular the concept of govt. regulation. 

Jimmy Carter is incriminated here...the first Democratic president to accede to the Republican mantra that regulation is bad and no regulation is good.  Dems before would just have mandated certain non pollution targets and forced industry to find the market/technological fixes.

Cap and trade is the result of Democrats looking for some kind of market based way of delaing with pollution.  And when you begin it might work up to a point but if you really want to get rid of pollution it obviously doesn't...it just moves it around and monetizes it. 

Democrats felt they had to fight the R's and prove that Democrats don't hate capitalism and capitalists ( esp when money in elelctions began to matter even more) This became even more potent an argument with the fall of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of communism and by implication the supposed failure of all kinds of socialistic ideas ( from regulations to public education)

It once wasn't the Democratic consensus ... regulation used to be the Democratic consensus.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


Cap and trade worked on Acid Rain... (0.00 / 0)
Cap and trade with declining caps and AUCTIONING the rights does monetize the emissions. But that can be a very flexible and effective tool to reduce global pollution from identified single sources like power plants. This is a good way to reduce the overall level of emissions. Since localized emissions aren't the problem, it doesn't have the local problems that other pollutants have.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't ALSO have a carbon tax, especially on gasoline where cap and trade won't work.


[ Parent ]
i agree with clinton, edwards and obama (0.00 / 0)
on the Pakistan issue. Does that mean I am an elistist?

guess its easier to lump together (0.00 / 0)
us versus them.

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I know this gets the eye-roll (4.00 / 2)
But man, run for dog catcher. That's where meaningful change is going to start. These consultants, pundits and experts aren't likely to be run out of a job anytime in the near-term. But if you want to change the country for a century, start on the corner.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

you can't (0.00 / 0)
.....take TWO issues and claim that all the candidates are the same or will follow a centrist policy.

How insane is thar?



I keep saying, Chris (4.00 / 1)
don't listen to what they say, look who they roll with.  Hillary always has the wrong people advising her.  Always.

Top tier also believe in "no options off the table" on Iran (0.00 / 0)
I wrote a diary on Daily Kos yesterday on Iran about the positions of all of the Democratic presidential candidates on Iran (http://www.dailykos.....

Edwards, Obama and Clinton have all used the phrase about taking "no options off the table"; i.e they might be willing to use military force against Iran nuclear installations.

Interestingly every single one of the lower-tier candidates seemed to have a better position on Iran, none of them threatening the use of military force. Kucinich and Gravel both challenged using that phrase, denouncing the potential use of military force. Dodd, Richardson and Biden have all denounced the militaristic approach Bush has taken on Iraq.

There seems to be a serious timidity for all of the top-tier candidates on this issue as well.


IndySteve (0.00 / 0)
Hold on....there is a significant difference from what Edwards says, 'imminent terrorist ACTIVITY' which implies an attack and is the ONLY justification for the use of force, and Obama "action against high value terrrorist TARGETS'. Obama would take action without a justification (imminent threat of attack) while Edwards would require the only UN authorized use of force.

A lot of people claimed Bush and Gore were similar too (0.00 / 0)
A lot of people claimed Bush and Gore were similar too and look how that turned out.

This election isn't about specific policies because voting based on policies isn't how people vote.  People vote based on cultural similarities.

The questions among democrats are "Do we want a conservative southern white male from NC who is heavily in favor of unions", "Do we want a multicultural black man from Hawaii and a bit overseas and had some good judgment on Iraq", and "Do we want a return of the clinton years"

The elites have a stranglehold over campaigning rather than governing.


crashing the foreign policy establishment? (0.00 / 0)
The only way that the foreign policy establishment is going to change is if a new generation comes in.  Foreign policy 'experts' are a bunch of old, white men who came up through the cold war.  We need a new generation for whom the cold war is something they learned in school, not something they experienced.  We need a generation that thinks of a multipolar world, not a unipolar or bipolar world. 

The world has changed in huge ways, and we seem to still approach foreign policy from a cold war perspective.  Seeking out the great foreign enemy, propping up petty dictators, pushing american exceptionalism.

There are three major powers in the world today - the U.S., the EU, and China.  Then there are a whole bunch of second tier powers - Japan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, Turkey, India, Australia, South Africa, etc.

Its no longer a bipolar world where you're with us or you're with the russians.  You can be with us, with the EU, with China, or grouping up to take on the big boys.  Look at the alliance that is forming between Russia and Iran.

The foreign policy establishment is pretty insular, and I don't know if you can crash it from the outside going in.  I think it would be a long term battle where young progressives coming out of college have to enter the foreign policy service and change things from the inside out.  Challenge orthodoxy and all that.  The biggest and most important thing we could do on the outside is discredit neo-conservatism, which is well on its way to being fully discredited, albeit at a huge cost.


oh, and there is one other important thing (0.00 / 0)
the netroots could do.  There needs to be an effective counter to AIPAC on the left.  AIPAC totally dominates middle east/israel affairs, and that's due to the lack of an effective counter weight.  Everyone thinks they have to get AIPAC's blessing.  And AIPAC pushes an increasingly dangerous, hawkish agenda.

As Dr. Mearsheimer pointed out at YearlyKos, while there may be a few left wing israel advocacy groups, none of them are effective in any way. 

It's Obama's pandering to AIPAC that has pushed me away from him, especially regarding the Pakistan issue.  We need to push Musharraf to restore Democracy (and with the last freely elected PM coming back to challenge Musharraf, that may be happening even without our blessing - thank god), which would do more to stabilize Pakistan and push extremist anti-Musharraf/islamist groups to the fringes of Pakistani society than an invasion by US troops would ever do. 

I'm increasingly leaning toward Dodd, although I don't know enough of his stances on the issues, including foreign policy.  All I really know about Dodd is that restoring the Constitution seems to be the centerpiece of his campaign, and that he introduced the legislation to restore New Orleans.


Argg.... (0.00 / 0)
You too, Chris? A carbon tax is not the progressive alternative to a centrist cap-and-trade system. There's nothing inherently centrist or progressive about the two policy instruments.

Robert Shapiro's paper, which Matt extols as his proof that a carbon tax is so much better than cap-and-trade, is an American Consumer Institute-funded PR piece.

Wait, the ACI? Isn't that the free market PR group run by Stephen Pociask, a telecom consultant and former chief economist for Bell Atlantic and an avowed enemy of network neutrality?

What do you think the odds are that they're exactly wrong on net neutrality, an issue you and Matt know tons about, and exactly right on climate change policy, an issue you and Matt are new to?

As I've said before, carbon tax v. cap-and-trade is a fight between different sectors of the right-wing corporate movement.

The progressive and environmentally sound stance is:
* Make people pay for pollution, not work
* An unbreakable cap on emissions that goes smoothly to carbon neutrality

And that translates policywise to:
* Cap and trade with full auction of emissions credits
* Carbon tax replacing payroll taxes
* No new coal
* Investment in distributed energy grid

and other elements which are in the Gore proposal.


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