America Is Really Angry - Obama Aides Still Fretting About Elite Opinion

by: David Sirota

Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 10:07


The crack reporting team at the New York Times gives us a huge scoop: Newsflash - America is really really angry at a government that keeps giving away taxpayer cash to banks while telling us we need to solve a deficit problem by potentially slashing Social Security. What a shocking scoop...only, ya know, a few months late (but hey, better late than never).

What I find newsy about this story is the subtext highlighted in this excerpt:

The Obama administration is increasingly concerned about a populist backlash against banks and Wall Street, worried that anger at financial institutions could also end up being directed at Congress and the White House and could complicate President Obama's agenda...

Even as Mr. Summers was denouncing A.I.G. for the bonuses, he suggested that there was little if anything the government could do to stop them, seconding the conclusion of Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner.

So, what we see is A) an administration more worried about the populist anger's consequences for its image rather than its utility in passing an aggressive agenda and B) Wall Street sycophants like Summers and Geithner continuing to push a red herring that says there's nothing that can be done to stop corporations from using our taxpayer money to subsidize bonuses for the same executives who created this economic crisis. In short, what we see here is an administration more worried about elite opinion - and more willing to echo elite opinionmakers' canards - than about seeing this populist moment as an opportunity.

David Sirota :: America Is Really Angry - Obama Aides Still Fretting About Elite Opinion
The fact is, the populist anger that the Times examines could be a huge force for good - if the administration gets serious about championing it, rather than trying to suppress it out of deference to a punditocracy that says it is "dangerous" or "unserious" or "too emotional." Doing the latter, in fact, is the best way for the White House to become a target of the public's ire. But then, doing the latter is exactly what the Washington insiders in Obama's administration have been doing for the better part of a generation - and so asking them to do anything different may be asking them to change too much.

This was the reason why Obama was originally right when he said "change doesn't come from Washington, it comes to Washington" - because Permanent Washington is predisposed to see public passion and anger as a threat rather than an opportunity.


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compare/contrast to how Auto aid is contingent on mandatory givebacks and restrictions (4.00 / 9)
while the ongoing trillions in finance $$ is restriction and regulation-free -- entirely.

Their fauxtrage over bonuses is beyond laughable, and their agenda is to keep pouring trillions -- without strings -- to finance and wall st.

They over and over have said revival of the economy depends solely on the health of these finance companies and related industries -- not on jobs and consumer spending, which is what the economy actually is dependent on.

Their agenda is clear - and it's not ours.


Duplicity. (4.00 / 11)
Glenn Greenwald has more to say on the duplicity of handling the UAW contracts vs the contracts of AIG.  More importantly though, this whole fiasco with AIG is quickly becoming Obama's problem simply because he is continuing down the same path as Bush/Paulson.  There is a populist backlash happening and it will quickly become a tsunami.  Unfortunately for us all, the right is seizing the populist rhetoric and that is very, very dangerous.  Does anyone want to contemplate what a reactionary "populist" government would do in this kind of difficult time?  I sure don't want to go there but I am afraid that if Obama, et al don't change course (like NOW) we will see it 4 years from now.  The idea that if we fix the financial system, then main street will be able to recover is ass backwards.  These financial institutions that have received so much government money must be nationalized immediately, broken up into smaller entities with completely new management teams and then resold to new investors.  Very strong new regulations must also be put into place.  This must be done but I don't think it will be.  

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - SCOTUS Justice Louis Brandeis

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How about less than 2 years from now? (4.00 / 2)
I can see the viral anti-Obama videos now, and linking them to the Democratic Party as a whole during the height of the next election cycle should be pretty easy to do.

An anti-Obama video would feature (faux) interviews of Wall Street types holding two foot wide bonus checks made out in easily readable multiples of millions of dollars. The interviewees would explain how they were worried that their 2008 bonuses might not reflect their value fairly, but that after their company got bailed out - "Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you, President Obama" - they now can buy real estate at depressed prices/upgrade their BMW/invest in foreign auto companies/what-have-you.

Each interviewee would conclude with "Yes, we can!"

To be perfectly honest, I hope such videos appear soon, and go viral. Obama needs a good spanking - he never should have appointed the financial creeps and crooks that he did. What was he thinking?

If he responds well to a populist backlash, he and the Democrats can weather the storm, and be better for it. If not, well, it's going to be a long 21st Century.

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No surprise. (4.00 / 3)
Meanwhile, people keep losing jobs and homes.

Please (0.00 / 0)
This isn't the NYT reporting on anger. This is the NYT trying to create the news.

Create news? .. (4.00 / 6)
how so? .. trying to give the impression that people are pissed off?  Who are you kidding? .. People are pissed off .. I know I am .. plenty of others are too .. somehow though .. I don't think Obama wanted it to play out exactly like this

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from what I thought (0.00 / 0)
AIG is giving bonuses to workers, not execs.

Not Exactly (4.00 / 4)
ABC News:

The Obama administration had one word today for insurance giant AIG's plans to award senior executives hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses and retention pay: "outrageous."

But keep trying.  One of these days you'll say something that isn't a lie.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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you're an ass. it's quite clear that I'm (0.00 / 0)
expressing uncertainty and inviting clarification. if you couldn't tell from that, you have terrible reading comprehension skills.

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Talking about how this differs from Auto Industry... (4.00 / 7)
take a look at this:

Great letter by a U.S. Ford dealer!!

Editor:

As I watch the coverage of the fate of the U.S. auto industry, one alarming and frustrating fact hits me right between the eyes. The fate of our nation's economic survival is in the hands of some congressmen who are completely out of touch and act without knowledge of an industry that affects almost every person in our nation. The same lack of knowledge is shared with many journalists whom are irresponsible when influencing the opinion of millions of viewers.
Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama has doomed the industry, calling it a dinosaur. No Mr. Shelby, you are the dinosaur, with ideas stuck in the '70s, '80s and '90s. You and the uninformed journalist and senators that hold onto myths that are not relevant in today's world.

When you say that the Big Three build vehicles nobody wants to buy, you must have overlooked that GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the U.S. and Ford outsold Honda by 850,000 and Nissan by 1.2 million in the U.S. GM was the world's No. 1 automaker beating Toyota by 3,000 units.
When you claim inferior quality comes from the Big Three, did you realize that Chevy makes the Malibu and Ford makes the Fusion that were both rated over the Camry and Accord by J.D. Power independent survey on initial quality? Did you bother to read the Consumer Report that rated Ford on par with good Japanese automakers.

Did you realize Big Three's gas guzzlers include the 33 mpg Malibu that beats the Accord. And for '09 Ford introduces the Hybrid Fusion whose 39 mpg is the best midsize, beating the Camry Hybrid. Ford's Focus beats the Corolla and Chevy's Cobalt beats the Civic.

When you ask how many times are we going to bail them out you must be referring to 1980. The only Big Three bailout was Chrysler, who paid back $1 billion, plus interest. GM and Ford have never received government aid.

When you criticize the Big Three for building so many pickups, surely you've noticed the attempts Toyota and Nissan have made spending billions to try to get a piece of that pie. Perhaps it bothers you that for 31 straight years Ford's F-Series has been the best selling vehicle. Ford and GM have dominated this market and when you see the new '09 F-150 you'll agree this won't change soon.

Did you realize that both GM and Ford offer more hybrid models than Nissan or Honda. Between 2005 and 2007, Ford alone has invested more than $22 billion in research and development of technologies such as Eco Boost, flex fuel, clean diesel, hybrids, plug in hybrids and hydrogen cars.
It's 2008 and the quality of the vehicles coming out of Detroit are once again the best in the world.

Perhaps Sen. Shelby isn't really that blind. Maybe he realizes the quality shift to American. Maybe it's the fact that his state of Alabama has given so much to land factories from Honda, Hyundai and Mercedes Benz that he is more concerned about their continued growth than he is about the people of our country. Sen. Shelby's disdain for "government subsidies" is very hypocritical. In the early '90s he was the driving force behind a $253 million incentive package to Mercedes. Plus, Alabama agreed to purchase 2,500 vehicles from Mercedes. While the bridge loan the Big Three is requesting will be paid back, Alabama 's $180,000-plus per job was pure incentive. Sen. Shelby, not only are you out of touch, you are a self-serving hypocrite, who is prepared to ruin our nation because of lack of knowledge and lack of due diligence in making your opinions and decisions.

After 9/11, the Detroit Three and Harley Davidson gave $40 million-plus emergency vehicles to the recovery efforts. What was given to the 9/11 relief effort by the Asian and European Auto Manufactures? $0 Nada. Zip!

We live in a world of free trade, world economy and we have not been able to produce products as cost efficiently. While the governments of other auto producing nations subsidize their automakers, our government may be ready to force its demise. While our automakers have paid union wages, benefits and legacy debt, our Asian competitors employ cheap labor. We are at an extreme disadvantage in production cost. Although many UAW concessions begin in 2010, many lawmakers think it's not enough.

Some point the blame to corporate management. I would like to speak of Ford Motor Co. The company has streamlined by reducing our workforce by 51,000 since 2005, closing 17 plants and cutting expenses. Product and future product is excellent and the company is focused on one Ford. This is a company poised for success. Ford product quality and corporate management have improved light years since the nightmare of Jacques Nasser. Thank you Alan Mulally and the best auto company management team in the business.

The financial collapse caused by the secondary mortgage fiasco and the greed of Wall Street has led to a $700 billion bailout of the industry that created the problem. AIG spent nearly $1 million on three company excursions to lavish resorts and hunting destinations. Paulson is saying no to $250 billion foreclosure relief and the whole thing is a mess. So when the Big Three ask for 4 percent of that of the $700 billion, $25 billion to save the country's largest industry, there is obviously oppositions. But does it make sense to reward the culprits of the problem with $700 billion unconditionally, and ignore the victims?

As a Ford dealer, I feel our portion of the $25 billion will never be touched and is not necessary. Ford currently has $29 billion of liquidity. However, the effect of a bankruptcy by GM will hurt the suppliers we all do business with. A Chapter 11 bankruptcy by any manufacture would cost retirees their health care and retirements. Chances are GM would recover from Chapter 11 with a better business plan with much less expense. So who foots the bill if GM or all three go Chapter 11? All that extra health care, unemployment, loss of tax base and some forgiven debt goes back to the taxpayer, us. With no chance of repayment, this would be much worse than a loan with the intent of repayment.

So while it is debatable whether a loan or Chapter 11 is better for the Big Three, a $25 billion loan is definitely better for the taxpayers and the economy of our country.

So I'll end where I began on the quality of the products of Detroit . Before you, Mr. or Ms. Journalist continue to misinform the American public and turn them against one of the great industries that helped build this nation, I must ask you one question. Before you, Mr. or Madam Congressman vote to end health care and retirement benefits for 1 million retirees, eliminate 2.5 million of our nation's jobs, lose the technology that will lead us in the future and create an economic disaster including hundreds of billions of tax dollars lost, I ask this question not in the rhetorical sense. I ask it in the sincere, literal way.

Can you tell me, have you driven a Ford lately?

Jim Jackson
Elkins



Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me-and I welcome their hatred. - FDR

Grrr! (4.00 / 3)
It really pissed me the hell off when Bush and co. turned me from a disinterested moderate into a flaming liberal. If Obama and co. turn me into a fucking populist, I'm gonna go absolutely ape-shit.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

God I can't believe how angry I am (4.00 / 5)
$450 million is a drop in the bucket (like 0.3% or something) compared to how much fucking money AIG has gotten so far. But this is so fucking galling.

"Oh, we can't break these contracts." WHAT THE FUCK. You forced the auto companies to break their contracts and cut UAW pay to get their much smaller bail-out. AIG is a fucking insurance company. Breaking contracts with policy holders is their fucking business model. Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker.

I'm calling my broker and telling him to go really fucking long in the torches and pitchforks.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


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"Populist?" (4.00 / 1)
How is this mere "populism"?

Is it not possible to get angry at ills and wrongs at the unjust give-away of hundreds of millions of dollars to corporate profit of taxpayer dollars without it being some sort of ephemeral 'style' of politicking?


You guys know TARP (0.00 / 0)
is loans right?

Yep (4.00 / 1)
Loans where the collateral is currently worthless, but more than likely being valued as collateral at a rate higher than current market value. In short, loans with a large potential downside to the taxpayer and nothing but upside for the companies. On top of that, loans to currently insolvent companies that have no plan to restore themselves to solvency other than clicking their heels three times and saying "I wish I was home".

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The bank issue could really torpedo his presidency (4.00 / 4)
Especially if they move (or tacitly accept congress's move) to tax employee health care benefits, which the NYT reported on yesterday:

Administration open to taxing health benefits

Free lunches for the banks, tough love towards auto workers and auto/manufacturing execs, and the specter of taxed health benefits is a serious witches brew for populist revolt.

The question is: will it be right-wing populism or left-wing populism?

"When Facism comes to America it will come wrapped in a Flag and Carrying the Cross"
Sincair Lewis


Tough Love... Without The Love Part (4.00 / 2)
tough love towards auto workers

To quote Tina Turner, "What's love got to do with it?"

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Pissed Off? Yeah, but... (0.00 / 0)
Of course if you ask most Americans how they feel about the financial bailouts, they will probably complain. I complain. This is a given now and not anything newsworthy. There was lots of anger when Bush and Henry Paulson started these bailouts. What's new now?

And there is plenty of anger or faux anger to go around. We hear it from the left and the right. While I'm a lefty, I'm also a pragmatist, so let's get real. Without bailing out financial institutions, Obama will preside over a single term in office that would witness a worsening global economic depression. How popular would he be then? How able to get health care passed? You get the drift.

I think what angers many on the left is that taxpayer money is being used to prop up capitalism. FDR saved capitalism from collapse in the 30s, historical revisionism aside. How is what Obama is doing any different? My lefty instincts would like to see capitalism fail, but that would bring too much misery for innocent people around the globe for me to enjoy it.

Give Obama a break. He inherited this mess. He ran for office as a capitalist. What's new now?

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Joseph Stiglitz Put it Quite Succinctly A Few Weeks Ago (4.00 / 8)
Obama is confusing bailing out the banks with bailing out the bankers.

Big difference.

FDR didn't make the same mistake.  How is it that Obama unlearns the lessons of the past, the same way the conservatives do?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Roosevelt included "radicals" in his brain trust (4.00 / 6)
Obama's economic team all hails from the Rubin/Citigroup/Chicago School of Economics axis.

And they are aided and abetted by the unholy trinity (on banking matters that is) of Chris Dodd, Joe Liberman and Chuck Schumer.

There's almost no outside perspective on Obama's economics team.   Perhaps Elizabeth Warren and Sheila Bair can be seen as outsiders to some extent, but it doesn't appear they are listened to.  Plus they sit outside the inner circle of economic advisers.  


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Yup! (0.00 / 0)
And Jamie Galbraith just may as well be in Siberia.

Much less Krugman, Rubini, Baker, or Stiglitz himself.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well... (4.00 / 4)
This lefty would rather not see capitalism fail.

I would like to see the end of the absolutism about "free market" capitalism. No incarnation of capitalism has ever really been "free market" - the market and capitalism require oversight to function - and when that oversight is provided capitalism can be a pretty efficient means of organizing society.

Obama's actions so far appear to give inordinate consideration to saving the charade of the "free market". Trying to find a way for the Government to save these companies while exerting minimal control over how they do business.

Functional capitalism requires that the government step in to prevent companies from getting "too big to fail", and it requires the government to oversee the demise or restructuring of failed companies, especially when those companies are "too big to fail".

Nothing that the Obama administration has said so far implies that this is their goal. Instead, their goal seems to be to post-facto prevent the insolvencies of currently insolvent companies. Something worthy of Alice in Wonderland.


[ Parent ]
Remember Econ 101? (4.00 / 1)
Monopolies are bad unless they are under strict government regulation, that's what I learned in college economics classes.  

"Free market" capitalism has led to the deregulation of public utilities like telecommunications, electricity and natural gas.  Globalization has destroyed US labor unions, promoted labor arbitrage and eviscerated the post WWII manufacturing base in the US.  In the wake of this destruction, our great hegemonic Financial System has emerged and flourished.  It's purpose is to dominate a new feudal world society.

Too big to fail = monopoly.  It must be reorganized and placed under strong regulation in order for us to pursue a socially democratic future.

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - SCOTUS Justice Louis Brandeis


[ Parent ]
Time to get rid of Geithner (4.00 / 4)
The disgust is bipartisan, and despite the fact that Republican populism has a deeper anti-government streak than its anti Wall Street streak, it seems like the bipartisan disgust could be directed at a very useful purpose: getting rid of Geithner.

Powers that be at Open Left: consider whether this could be a useful project. I'm writing my senators and representative to ask that they start working to get rid of Geithner. An organized blogosphere could really put on the pressure.

The problem is not AIG - the problem is that Treasury refuses to acknowledge that government ownership of AIG is only justified if it is the functional equivalent of bankruptcy. That refusal is most likely due to Geithner's career commitment to the old way of doing business - the way of doing business that has failed.

Obama needs to replace Geithner with a reformer, and he needs to do it now while there's still time for Obama and the democrats to recover before the midterms.

Time to "make Obama do it".


Unlikely to Happen (0.00 / 1)
Let us know how working to get rid of Tim Geithner works out for you. It is unlikely to happen and who would be the replacement?

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[ Parent ]
How about Thomas Hoenig? (4.00 / 4)
President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

It is unlikely.

If you don't think it's advisable, tell me why?

If you think it is advisable, why not put the pressure on Congress? It may not get rid of Geithner, but it will help to direct Congress's anger at the right person. I could really care less whether AIG's executives get their bonuses at this point - $170 million is a drop in the bucket.

If Barney Frank is going to make calls to fire people, I want him including Geithner in those calls. Geithner is the one standing in the way of actual reforms.


[ Parent ]
Geithner is just the public face -- not "the decider" (4.00 / 2)
the buck stops with Obama -- and all his non-publicly-confirmed inside advisors.

[ Parent ]
Fair enough (0.00 / 0)
But I'm not prepared to ask for the impeachment of Obama over this. If you are, go ahead.

I also think putting some extreme pressure on Geithner is a more realistic goal than, say, getting a vote of no confidence in Obama over the banking crisis.


[ Parent ]
what would change, policywise, if you got Geithner dumped? (0.00 / 0)
seriously. what?

[ Parent ]
why (0.00 / 0)
Why is the contract-breaking a "red herring"?  As far as I know there isn't a collective-bargaining organization like UAW to work with, and short of bankruptcy -- which they will absolutely not do because of the financial repercussions -- there really is not much that they can do.

Neither the government nor AIG are in a position to be decide which contracts to uphold and which to break.  They can refuse to pay out bonuses, but it's quite possible that the resulting lawsuits would end up costing more than the bonuses itself.  

Is wasting more taxpayer money really worth assuaging your righteous indignation?  


Just Break The Contracts, And Let Them Sue (4.00 / 1)
It should be fun watching the juries vomit at their lawyers plead their care.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
so (0.00 / 0)
So we, as a country, think it's cool to throw out contracts because they're overwhelmingly unpopular?  Do you really think that juries should side against employees here simply because they don't think they deserve the money that they're contractually obligated to receive?

Are we really willing to go down that road -- or even champion it, as this site does?  Because that strikes me as a pretty scary precedent to set.


[ Parent ]
Correction = (4.00 / 1)
executives. The bonuses are for senior executives.

If they think they can explain to a jury of representative Americans (the ones currently paying the piper for AIG's days of wine and roses) why they are entitled to taxpayer-funded bonuses then this I got to see. Bring it.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
that's easy. (0.00 / 0)
They have contracts that say they do.  Full stop.  Contracts are legally binding, and whether juries think they DESERVE bonuses or not, legally it's cut and dried.  Contracts cannot be annulled just because a jury doesn't like what they stipulate.

Cheering on juries that selectively decide to enforce the law is pretty damn scary.  Would you be cheering so loudly if they decided that to ignore laws on torture of accused terrorists, because terrorists are unpopular too?  

Once you start selectively enforcing the law, that's the door you're opening.


[ Parent ]
Juries can decide the law. (0.00 / 0)
I guess you just don't have as much faith in your fellow Americans as I do.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
huh? (4.00 / 1)
No they can't.  Juries can decide whether the law has been broken or not based on evidence presented to them.  But they absolutely cannot decide what is and is not legal.

[ Parent ]
"Contracts are legally binding" (4.00 / 1)
That's a good one, coming from a defender of the Masters of the Universe. If AIG had had such high regard for law, or even common decency, before now they wouldn't have found themselves in this position.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
well (0.00 / 0)
I'll agree with you on decency, but if decency was a factor in all of this it would be a non-issue because the employees would be refusing the bonuses themselves.

I haven't heard anyone point to anything specific that AIG did that was illegal though.  Especially something significant enough where you could reasonably argue for the voiding of employment contracts.


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Again, executives. (0.00 / 0)
It's the executives, the decision-makers who wrecked the company, and our economy, who are now stealing our money.

I think if you could focus on that you might understand what's going on here.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
what does it matter? (0.00 / 0)
From a legal point of view, who cares whether it's executives or average joes?  It's utterly obnoxious for executives to get contracted bonuses, I agree, but that doesn't mean invalidating their contracts should be magically legal.

I think if you could focus on the legal issues you might understand the reality of the situation.


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Because it's not a legal problem (0.00 / 0)
it's a political one. An issue of power and abuse. If the aristocrats think their problems are merely legal ones (they kind they are accustomed to disappearing like yesterday's empty gin bottles) they are in for an awakening.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
it IS a legal problem. (0.00 / 0)
Contract law is a legal problem.  There's political pressure to ignore the law, yes, but that doesn't turn a legal issue into a political one.

The law is the law, and in this case, sadly, it's very clear.


[ Parent ]
A jury trial -- that would be rich! (0.00 / 0)
I would love to see this case decided by a jury of non-billionaires.

Because seriously, do billionaires do jury duty? It's like taxes, or the draft -- strictly for the little people.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
What jury? (0.00 / 0)
This would never be decided by a jury trial.  

[ Parent ]
Why not? (0.00 / 0)
Juries decide contract cases all the time. What's special about this one? If anything it begs for a jury trial since it's so political.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
Well that's why it WOULDN'T be a jury trial (0.00 / 0)
AIG's lawyers would argue they can't get a fair jury and probably would get a judge trial in civil court because of it.


[ Parent ]
Really, (0.00 / 0)
what judge in his right mind wants to touch this with a ten foot pole? That's why it will be a jury trial.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
a judge (4.00 / 1)
So now judges should be afraid of taking cases because they're unpopular, even though the law is crystal clear?

It's hard to believe you're seriously advocating this stuff.


[ Parent ]
I am serious (0.00 / 1)
about justice. Sorry if you find that too distasteful for your refined palate.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
I disagree (4.00 / 2)
Your comments say otherwise.  An integral part of justice is upholding the law, not ignoring laws that you find distasteful.

[ Parent ]
Hey, I said it before (0.00 / 0)
if these guys really think the law is with them on this, if they think they can convince a jury that they are entitled to line their pockets with our tax dollars after everything they've done, then I want to see it. I want to see ALL the evidence that just such a trial will bring into the sunshine

I'm all for upholding the law -- I want to see these bastards in jail.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
You notice Adam Nagourney wrote that (0.00 / 0)
The blogosphere's favorite reporter. Sorry if this has been commented already.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  






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