Did the GOP Really Pull Even With The Democrats in the Congressional Ballot?

by: Daniel De Groot

Sat Mar 21, 2009 at 08:00


On March 17, NPR published a poll under the innocuous headline "More Voters Think U.S. Is On Right Track."  That poll had a rather surprising result on the question of generic Congressional ballot preference, with Democrats and Republicans tied at 42, and 15% undecided.  Whoa.  Is that true?

Well if you check the pollster trendlines, this seems entirely plausible:

Well I'm calling foul on this.  More inside.

Daniel De Groot :: Did the GOP Really Pull Even With The Democrats in the Congressional Ballot?
Being a general believer in the utility and statistical veracity of polling, I can't claim to know for a fact that these polls are in error, but I can point to other evidence which makes even this aggregate group of polls unlikely in the extreme.  

Absence of Corroborating Evidence

The biggest problem with this result is that it suggests that voters are losing faith in Democrats to the point of being willing to reconsider and re-elect Republicans.  But the other polling results both in that NPR poll and in many others don't back that claim.  First, as NPR's own title noted, voters are increasingly viewing the country as being on the right track:


5/08


3/09


Response


16%


31%


RIGHT DIRECTION


80%


63%


WRONG TRACK

Now, the right/wrong tracks are still overwhelmingly negative, but the 80% of voters who said "wrong track" in 2008 didn't boot the Democrats out, is it likely that the 63% saying "wrong track" today are planning to do so in 2010?  But the plot thickens further:

Not only are voters increasingly viewing the country as on the right track, but they are increasingly approving of their federal legislative branch.  36A/56D isn't anything to be excited about, but the trend is clearly increasing.  So again, not conclusive, but definitely suggestive that voters are not really gearing up to vote Republican.  Let's get a little more partisan now:

Daily Kos Congressional Party Approval Ratings

Here's where I think the plausiblity of the NPR and Pollster aggregate is most in question.  While the Democrats in Congress are not exceedingly popular, hovering around and below a net of 0, the Republicans are somewhere below "abysmal" and actually sinking.  Voters are ambivalent about the Democrats in Congress, but they loathe and despise the Republicans.  Collectively (and I could also point to Obama's strong approval and popularity numbers, a very important metric for the performance of a party in a mid-term election) these make a pretty strong case that the Generic Ballot polling is wrong.  

So What Happened? - NPR

Aside from being a smaller sample (~800), the big problem I have with the NPR poll is demographics.  

Question D4 on page 15 of the poll asks about ideology, and provides all the historical, an excerpt of which I've extracted:


5/03


1/08


5/08


3/09


Response


43%


40%


35%


45%


TOTAL CONSERVATIVE


16%


19%


21%


19%


TOTAL LIBERAL

45% is the highest proportion answering "conservative" in any iteration of this poll listed.  Even going back to the heady days of the post-invasion period of apparent success in Iraq of May 2003, only 43% said they were conservative.  Is it really believable that between May 2008 and March 2009, with the landslide election of a Democratic tri-fecta in November, the country became 10% more conservative?  

What About Pollster's Trend?

The problem here, in a word is Rasmussen.  If you look at the actual polls that make up this aggregate, it is overwhelmingly Rasmussen comprising this trend.  16 of the 20 polls since the 2008 election are Ras.  I don't have access to their internals to pick at their demographics, but in an election where Democrats won the national House popular vote by 53 to 44, Rasmussen's first post-election poll which started the day after has it only 43D/41R.  From a real world PV victory of +9, Ras finds Dems only +2 literally the day after.  Call me a little suspicious of their likely voter screen.  

Someone else needs to poll this question for greater certainty, but for now this looks like an outlier from NPR combined with Rasmussen's poor screen.  


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Furthermore (4.00 / 3)
While the Democrats in Congress are not exceedingly popular, hovering around and below a net of 0, the Republicans are somewhere below "abysmal" and actually sinking.

This is a bit misleading, on account of the South. DKos/R2000 has Congressional Dems at 29/62 in the South.  That alone is really dragging them down.  They're 48/45 in the Midwest, 50/43 in the West and 54/37 in the Northeast.  Those levels are pretty decent given how people usually feel about Congress.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Whether or not the numbers are exactly even is a bit less important then whether or not there is a trend. Because if there IS a trend then the numbers will eventually pan out anyways. Whether or not there is a house effect (left or right lean) on a particular pollster doesn't change the trajectory of public opinion. And if the trajectory is moving towards republicans, we need to find out why.

trends... (4.00 / 2)
The trends are that approval of "congress" is going up, and the feeling that the country is on the right track is going up.  As I note the generic ballot "trend" is worthless because it's 80% Rasmussen polling and I'm pretty dubious about their numbers.

It's possible that interest in voting Republican for Congress is going up at the same time as the general mood in the country is improving but that would be a remarkable contradiction where the public says "we're starting to like what you're doing Congress, so we're going to vote for the other guys"


[ Parent ]
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The rasmussen polling's lean is inconsequential to it's consistency. If they consistently poll the same way then any trend they show will be real, even if you have to subtract 3 points from the republican side. Accuracy vs. precision

[ Parent ]
yes (4.00 / 1)
Thinking about this, you may be right that the Republicans have made up some ground.  That's not impossible.  They had lost even some of their usual base, and it is not surprising if some of the right-leaning "independents", libertarians and other soft-republicans come home.

But that they're even?  Colour me incredulous.


[ Parent ]
A couple of questions (4.00 / 1)
1) If 60% think the country is on the wrong track in 2010 and 2012, does that reflect continued blame of the GOP? Or will the party in power be the focus or ire?

2) Suppose that recent shift in the political landscape IS TRUE; what lessons can be drawn from it?


answer (4.00 / 2)
1)  Yeah, if "wrong track" is still over 60% in summer/fall 2010, I might be worried about the mid-terms.  Unless somehow voters are still blaming Republicans for it, and the Senate GOP is seen to be blocking important improvements.  

2)  I suppose it would be some kind of "we want divided govt" mood.  


[ Parent ]
The Problem with the Two Party System (4.00 / 2)
I suspect that a sizable chunk of those people who are dissatisfied with what the Democrats are doing do not want to vote for Republicans. They would, I think, like to vote for candidates who are not criminal facilitators for corporations or other wealth-enabled power groups.

Yeah, But In The Immortal Words Of Chief Wiggums (4.00 / 2)
"What are the chances of that?"

Moral: We's gots to make our own chances, 'cause they don't just happen by chance.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
I'm frustrated with Obama (4.00 / 2)
and his selection of Geithner, Summers, and Gates to head up financial and defense policy and that they are going the wrong direction. But I am more likely to vote for the Green Party or the Socialist Party than for the we-haven't-screwed-up-the-country-enough-yet-so-vote-for-us Republican Party.

It is unfortunate that the poll questions do not distinguish discontent from the left from discontent from the right.


[ Parent ]
Well, as I look at the most recent (0.00 / 0)
polls, not just from Rasmussen, but also NPR and Diageo/Hotline, they all seem to show the same trend.

NPR shows that Republicans and Democrats exactly split. Diageo/Hotline, which seems to skew Democratic, and indeed recently had the outlying result of a 24% advantage for Democrats, shows the Dems up only by 6%.

I can see one outlier of course. But three, all showing the same trend?

The result of parity in the numbers for Dems and Repubs is a bit difficult to credit entirely, but the underlying trend of convergence in the numbers seems likely to be real.

And, as far as Rasmussen goes, it is worthwhile to remember that they hit the actual numbers for the Nov 2008 Presidential election right on the money. Gallup, in contrast, for example, missed by several percentage points in the Democratic direction. One wonders how fair it is to dismiss Rasmussen out of hand as being "Republican skewed". Perhaps other pollsters are, in effect, Democratically skewed, even if that skew is not based on any inherent partisan bias, but on some aspect of their methodology that introduces the skew.


Ras? (4.00 / 1)
Their eve-of-election generic ballot poll was 47D/41R.  Neither precise nor accurate.  

NPR's poll has demographic problems as noted above..  Diago/Hotline you can't take that +24 poll as part of a trend.  It's garbage, so you just have the one at +6.

BTW, I'm not arguing that Republicans have not gained.  That's possible, but that they're even?  Pretty unlikely.


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This isn't "gained," this is "gaining." Which means if that in a week or so, they just might be even, if they aren't already. I don't know if there is too much the dems in congress can do about it, because the economy is going to sap so much strength from them (and they don't enjoy a honeymoon like Obama) but they should recognize what direction things are going. Because the fights only get tougher.

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I have no problem with saying that Rasmussen has a republican lean. In fact, they did underestimate Obama's lead in the National Election results. Fox News, Ipsos/McClatchy, and CNN/Opinion Research were closer. Although Rasmussen wasn't exactly far off (under by one percentage point), especially compared to Gallup which was over by four.

But the main point is that leaning in one direction doesn't really affect a pollster's consistency. If they poll the same way, they are still going to show trends, even if the numbers aren't reflective of the exact public opinion. The trend curve will look exactly the same.


[ Parent ]
Dems are being eaten from the inside out..and everyone can smell it. (0.00 / 0)
I think we're seeing signs of the same public response to the sheep-like nature of a certain segment of congressional Democrats.  

We gave Harry and Nancy big clubs to wield over the fence sitters in the party.  Nancy bravely uses it, even on the likes of Steny Hoyer- they guy fully responsible for blowing the 2006 mandate.

Obama's the main man and a potentially great leader.  Nancy represents the A-team a great leader needs.
But they've run into an old log blocking their paths.  

Harry is horrible as a ML.  A whining pathetic sniveling Senator incapable of using or wielding the power given to him.  First it was Lieberman and McConnell who had Harry on his knees.  Now it's Bayh ...and Jim Bunning(R) from Kentucky!?  
When a Republican psycho from Kentucky has Harry cowering in the corners anyone seen him lately? you know the Dems are in deep sh**.

The Bayh who once pushed "progress over partisanship" is just another Joe Lieberman springing up to steal the Dems limelight in the absence of a strong and vocal Senate leader.  

Nancy is doing a great job, but she's looking more like a struggling single Mom to the bible-belt crowd.  
Pains me to say this, but they need a strong, respectable and mature white male Senate leader in their picture to give the necessary credibility to our party - but we don't have one.  

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


Rasmussen isn't credible, hasn't been (0.00 / 0)
Look at their polling in November.  Dems and Reps are only 2 points apart.  And their polling has shown very little deviation from those numbers while everyone who polls shows much larger margins.

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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