Don't Panic: Congressional Ballot Version

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Mar 22, 2009 at 10:40


Yesterday, Daniel wrote a diary,"Did the GOP Really Pull Even With The Democrats in the Congressional Ballot?", which was especially critical of the internal demographics of NPR and Rasmussen, thereby questioning whether the Republicans had actually closed the generic ballot gap to virtually nothing.  In comments, I referred to the DKos/R2000 tracking poll as counter-evidence to the supposed trend.  Neither Daniel nor I are suggesting that the polls should be ignored completely.  One should always be quite reluctant to throw out a poll entirely.  But putting polls into the "I don't know about that" category is a different matter, and I'd argue that that seems to be what's warranted here.

To make this point, here's the summary data of DKos/R2000 tracking poll for Congressional Reps and Dems over the past two months (more detailed tables on the flip):

As can be seen, there's only a very slight trend on the GOP side, while the Dems show a strong gain outside the South in February, which faded somewhat in March, still leaving them stronger than they were at the beginning of February.  While this is not the same as a generic ballot poll, it's obviously a related measure, and these results are not compatible with the generic ballot narrowing to a dead heat.

Not even close.

Paul Rosenberg :: Don't Panic: Congressional Ballot Version
Here's the DKos chart for all of 2009:

Here's the tabular breakdown for February:

And here's the tabular breakdown for March:

Nothing that I can see in any of this to support the notion that the GOP is closing the generic ballot race.  So, the polls are out there, so is Daniel's critique, and so are these totally incompatible results.


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yeah and (4.00 / 1)
Neither of us dug into the details of Obama's enduring popularity.  It would be a remarkable moment in American electoral history where voters said 'we love this Democratic President, but want a Republican congress'

Before anyone cites 1996, I would note that House Democrats actually won the popular vote in '96, even though they didn't retake the majority.


The problem is, republicans are very motivated at the moment... (0.00 / 0)
...while democrats feel very complacent and satisfied...  That's what makes seeing numbers like the NPR poll scary....

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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The key is to ask why Democrat favorability trending down since the end of feburary? That matches the trend towards republicans in the same time period in other polls. It isn't necessarily that you should take a poll at face value for what it says. What you try to do is recognize what it represents. Maybe this is a geniune shift away from the dems maybe it's just a hiccup brought on by the lull between the stimulus and the next big thing the dems propose.

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Maybe (4.00 / 2)
You make a good point that one should interrogate polls and not just take them at face value.

But maybe it's too small to worry about right now.  A one-poll shift of 3%?  That's MOE territory!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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But, support for democrats isn't going down.... (0.00 / 0)
...that's why the numbers are so confusing!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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If we are going to (0.00 / 0)
dismiss Rasmussen as irredeemably biased toward Republicans, how fair is it to embrace the DKos poll, which, for example, would seem to exhibit a remarkably strong bias toward Democrats -- typically in its daily tracking poll on Obama's approval, it seems to be about 6-8 points higher for Obama than even Gallup.

I don't think being reality-based starts with dismissing pollsters whose results you don't like, and embracing pollsters whose results you do.


So Knock 8 Points Off The Congressional Dems (4.00 / 1)
Their favorability edge over the Congressional Reps is only 43 points, instead of 51.  The trend is still in their favor since early Feb, and nowhere near convergence.

Even though I actually think DKos is probably closer to the truth on this one, I have no problem with assuming the contrary.  It makes absolutely no difference for the argument here, because the congressional Dems' advantage is just so utterly overwhelming, except for in the South.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That may be true, but (4.00 / 1)
I believe that R2000 doesn't really deviate a tremendous amount from approval ratings, whereas since the beginning of time, Rasmussen's approval ratings of Bush have ALWAYS been more than pretty much any other public pollster. I don't think the reasoning of dismissing Rasmussen because he was a Republican pollster is valid, but stating that his favorability polls have always deviated far from other pollsters is fair and true. Of course, favorability and generic ballot are different things, but its possible to draw a similar line of logic here.

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Right (0.00 / 0)
No one is arguing for throwing anything out, any more than blindly deifying some other result.  This is all about how many grains of salt to take with which particular poll or set of polls.  It's always good to keep a critical dialogue going about such things.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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