Progressives Are To Blame For Progressive Irrelevance

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Mar 26, 2009 at 21:30


As David already discussed earlier today, President Obama has not yet met with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, even though he has met with every other group in Congress (Blue Dogs, New Dems, House Republicans, etc). Some Progressive (capitalized because it signifies a member of the caucus, rather than just anyone who calls him or herself a progressive) are feeling slighted by this. I am going to chime in and agree with the general sentiment in the comments to David's post: rather than feeling slighted, Progressives need to start throwing more weight around so that such a meeting is required, rather than an act of politeness.

There are lots of ways that Progressives could be throwing their weight around, but are not. The most obvious current misuse of Progressive strength is the inability to maximize their, and our, strength among small donors. Progressives have enormous potential fundraising ability that can match the large donor and corporate PAC money other ideological caucuses and networks can provide to their members. This fundraising is a major reason why candidates join these groups, and progressives can do the same thing. Unfortunately, we don't use our networks as well as we should.

The blogosphere gets pretty angry at Blue Dogs and New Democrats on a regular basis. This isn't surprising since, according to the best information I have seen (some of which is not public) about 80% of the people who read progressive blogs and / or who are members of progressive email list organizations self-identify as either "liberal" or "progressive." However, from 2004-2008, and even in the excitement over the NY-20 special election next Tuesday where the Democrat has already declared himself to be a Blue Dog, I'd wager that a similar proportion of netroots congressional donations have gone to electing Blue Dogs and New Democrats (specific numbers are not available right now because the current caucus membership lists are not available). It is kind of a perverse cycle: we give huge amounts of money to Blue Dog and New Democratic candidates, and then we spend a huge amount of our time complaining about Blue Dog and New Democratic members of the House. We are funding our own complaints.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Progressives Are To Blame For Progressive Irrelevance
By this point, with huge Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate, the largest progressive blogs and emails list organizations should, at the very least, stop raising any money for Democratic candidates who refuse to rule out joining the Blue Dog or New Democratic caucus. Further, we should be giving special consideration to Democratic candidates who promise to join the Progressive caucus. We need to offer both a disincentive for candidates and members of the House to join the New Democrats and / or Blue Dogs. Just as importantly, we need to offer an incentive for candidates to join the Progressives, and for more progressive candidates to run in the first place. Unfortunately, right now, as a Democratic member of the House, it simply makes more financial sense to join the Blue Dogs or New Democrats. Not only does it tie them into corporate PAC and large donor networks (which it does), but it doesn't hurt them when they come asking for money from progressive grassroots donors.

If being a Blue Dog or a New Democrat means that you can, and do, get money from everyone willing to donate to Democrats, why wouldn't members in competitive districts join the Blue Dogs and New Democrats en masse? The answer is that there is no good reason. As such, this year, the New Democrats captured 15 freshman members, the Blue Dogs netted 9 new members (from 47 to 56), and the Progressive only netted 6 new members (from <71 to 77). That the netroots keeps raising money for Blue Dogs and New Democrats en masse is a key factor in this disparity. If the largest progressive donor networks in the country offer no disincentive for Democrats to join the Blue Dogs or the New Democrats, and also offer no incentive for people to join the Progressive caucus, should there be any surprise that the Blue Dogs and New Democrats again netted more members?

Membership in the New Democratic or Blue Dog caucus should become an automatic disqualifier for large, small donor grassroots fundraising networks. This is just one of the ways in which progressives need to start building more power for themselves. No one is just going to give us more power because we are good soldiers for the Democratic Party as a whole. We need our networks to be valuable, and we need clear requirements in order to partake in the benefits of those networks. That is how we start building actual power.

Tomorrow, I will discuss a second avenue: voting against, or at least publicly threatening to vote again, Democratic legislation.


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Add the populist caucus (4.00 / 13)
I would add the populist caucus to this. It's another emerging  progressive caucus but more focused on economic issues. Joining the Populist Caucus should be encouraged as well for some who may be inclined to go the Blue Dog way to keep them getting progressive perspectives.

Any non-Blue Dog who's a member of the Populist or Progressive caucuses and votes for the major Progressive/Obama priorities (the budget, healthcare, education, energy, cramdown, stimulus) and is in electoral danger needs to get backup from progressives to make sure good behavior gets rewarded. Right now that's looking like Tom Perriello and Alan Grayson.

-Neither has joined the New Dems or Blue Dogs

-Both joined one of the good caucuses (Grayson the Progressives, Perriello the populists).

-Both are in Bush districts and Perriello is in a McCain district.

-Both are likely to get top tier challengers and be targeted heavily (Perriello by former rep Goode and Grayson by Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty)

-And most importantly both have voted the right way on major votes so far (stimulus, cramdown, SCHIP, Fair Pay, land bill, service bill) and seem likely to on the major votes to come (budget, healthcare, energy, education).

Making those things a priority for non-incumbent candidates is important too but we don't have a huge amount of potential pickups in 2010 so we need to make sure we're protecting our own when they are doing the right thing.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Yes! (4.00 / 1)
Your comment moved me to give to each of them (and I threw some coin at Grayson earlier this year, too). But why isn't Periello on the Better Democrats 2010 actblue page? Come on Chris, make it hap.

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Well (0.00 / 0)
it all goes to the same place, but I agree Chris. Make it happen.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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This A Brilliant Strategy (4.00 / 9)
     This would be a major move in the right direction.  I think this proposal needs to get to everyone involved in progressive circles asap, so we can moving on this front with whatever resources and improvements necessary to harness this strategy.

Also (4.00 / 11)
I forgot to mention this. But the threatening no votes needs to happen as well. For instance, on healthcare say if it doesn't include a public option then they will not vote for the legislation. If enough progressives signed that the leadership would either have to get dozens of Republicans on board (unlikely) or include the public option. I think the house leadership at least is committed to the public option but Baucus might try to screw us over in the Senate. If we've got that negotiating tool then the Senate will be pretty much forced to accept the public option and reconciliation. Blue Dogs do this kind of thing and it works, we need to start using our power to do the same.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

Baucus is holding firm on the public option.. (0.00 / 0)
Surprising, but true...

He's opposed to reconciliation... I think he honestly thinks that he can get a few republicans to support his version... I doubt it, but, hey... a regular bill is better than one through reconciliation 'cos the latter expires!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Right now (4.00 / 3)
but he's also holding firm to introducing a bipartisan bill with Grassley who has already signed a letter saying he will not vote for the public option. So I don't know what's going to happen with Baucus's bill but his track record and statements make me think it's much more likely he will potentially screw us over.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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Conrad sounded like he was going to screw us over... (4.00 / 2)
...as well, but it turns out it was just happy talk... the resulting Senate budget is better than expected from him.

Any final bill is going to require Teddy's approval... I think we'll be OK as long as we keep the pressure on....

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Interesting article on Baucus... (0.00 / 0)
http://www.time.com/time/polit...

The SEIU seems to be pleased... that's a good sign...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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True, but (4.00 / 1)
if what come out of reconcillation is popular with the people (for e.g.: health-care reform w/ a public choice), it should lead to getting Obama re-elected in 2012; and having a stronger chance of passing single-payer health-care reform with 60 votes.
I want it pushed through reconcillation (well, it is the only way).  Screw these "centrist" Dems in the Senate, esp ones that came from the DLC, and need progressive support.  I am looking at you Ben Nelson.

Single-payer health-care would be a great litmus test for 2010 and especially 2012.


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Why Wait Until Health Care Comes Up? (4.00 / 5)
Use power politics.

Here's an example.  Say Obama nominates a perfectly acceptable candidate who happens to be a personal friend as a federal judge.  If the Republicans don't do it first, hold Obama's friend hostage until he does some minor song and dance.

Basically, pick something relatively minor and use it to "show who is boss".  Don't have it be about ideology.  Have it be about power relationships.  Basically, choose to be annoying over non-substantive issues.  If progressives are willing to be petty about trivial matters, it sends a message that there might be all-out war on something important.

Some people here mock the concept of "post-partisanship".  If you want to be partisan, this is how you do it.  Find some Senator to be the "Tom Coburn of the left", for instance.

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Bernie! (4.00 / 4)
He's already doing this. He put a hold on Gary Gensler beacuse of his past support for deregulation. Hopefully we'll see more of that.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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Bernie Sanders is god (4.00 / 5)
He also introduced a single payer bill.

I hope he does a one man multi-day filibuster for it, the old-fashioned kind where they bring in cots.

Fuck Max Baucus and Harry Reid sideways.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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Get Someone with a D To Do It (4.00 / 3)
Someone who is an actual Democrat just needs to an utter dick to the point that some Dems say s/he is shooting the party in the foot.  That sets up a dynamic where another progressive can play good cop/bad cop.  it doesn't mean as much when it comes from someone outside of the party.

Also, I think you're missing my point.  You don't put a hold on someone with flaws; you put a hold on someone who you would normally approve.  It's all about flexing one's muscles as a demonstration of power.  I want someone to say, "I'm only doing this because I can."

Let me spell it out.  Some nights, I dream of a progressive who will act as a political thug.  I want someone who will stop just short of going all Preston Brooks on someone's ass when the left doesn't get enough love.  I want someone who will engage in petty tit-for-tat games for no other reason than to make a point.

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. (4.00 / 1)
I don't know the actual numbers, but I'd be surprised if members of the congressional progressive caucus had much less fundraising than the blue dogs or new dems in the first place. It's a bit presumptive to think that just because something has the name progressive, it doesn't get large donors or PAC money.

I mean, the issue seems obviously ideological to me. The ny-20 guy is a bluedog because he has 195,000 republicans in his district (125,000 democrats). Not because he had to pick the side with the most money.


Yet ... (0.00 / 0)
Obama won that district(I believe) .. and Gillibrand won it overwhelmingly .. so I guess they don't mind electing Democrats after all

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Gillibrand was an incumbent (4.00 / 1)
Obama took it 51-48. So the republican advantage is a worst +2.

Not a crazy amount, but given party ID and the nature of special elections, enough that it wouldn't be surprising if the GOP took back the district on tuesday.


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She wasn't an incumbent in 2006 when she took the district (4.00 / 2)
"In 2006, Gillibrand defeated four-term Republican incumbent, John E. Sweeney, in New York's 20th congressional district election by a margin of 53%-47%."

At the end of the day, I don't care how red, blue or purple your district is.  Conviction trumps ideology.  Strong liberals don't win because they don't try to win with conviction, they equivocate and demonstrate squishiness.

At the end of the day, we need to start realizing the putting more moderate/conservative/dino/bluedogs in to Congress IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.  We need more primary challengers and we need to focus on real Democrats.


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True to a degree. . . (4.00 / 1)
     We have seen a major shift in what people want pertaining to the issues; they are are picking liberal positions, even if they are unaware of it.
    So, getting better candidates to communicate the constituents' desires, even in more conservative, Republican districts can really change the landscape.  
Obama tapped into this disconnect using his amazing rhetorical gifts, but moreso, using common sense arguments backed with facts.

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Totally agree with the plan, but here's an additional thought.. (4.00 / 2)
This may sound totally bizarre, but suppose...Obama is as Progressive as we are -secretly.  ??

This guy is a brilliant strategist and knows how to work a room long before anyone sees what hit 'em.
Remember he started off as an antiHillary, anti-DLC, pro-Dean Lefty.
Then he worked the Moderates and Blue Dogs over until they're falling all over themselves to still be relevant.  Republicans, who had us by the balls with Harry in charge, are looking more stupid than Bush ever did.
Nancy is his Ateam and she has Hoyer following orders!
-But best of all, the Prez is about to do with 51 votes in the Senate what Harry whined he could never do.

Obama, using a honeyed approach has pulled the country more to the left than I ever thought possible.  Progressive members of Congress and groups look MoveOn, FDL and Kos now look more appealing because they've become champions of populism.

He's got his fangs out and is using them -and I'm loving every delicious minute of it!    

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


I disagree. President Obama (4.00 / 1)
acts are to the right of many of us.  His rhetoric sometimes is progressive, but Geithner, Summers, Gates, and Clinton are not.

Iraq: combat troops being reclassified so to play verbal games.  (They stat past 2009, but are called not combat troops.  All troops there until Dec 30, 2011.

Afganistan, Obama's war.  Escalation.

Bank Bailouts.

No EFCA.

Moderately left of center so far.


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On most of those issues (0.00 / 0)
yes, he is slightly to the right of most of us.

But EFCA, really? Your going to blame Arlen Specter and the idiotic behavior of some Senate Democrats on Obama?

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


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I am not specifically "blaming" (4.00 / 2)
Obama for EFCA, although he has not expended political capital on it.

Instead of talking about investors creating our prosperity, he could have talked about workers sweat and built public support for it.

I give him a "C" on it.


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This Ought To Be A No-Brainer (4.00 / 10)
Unfortunately, folks seem to have formed their habits in '06, when just electing any Dem was a legitimate strategy.

Time for folks to wake up.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Ideas (4.00 / 6)
1) Work the primaries better in safe Democratic seats.  I recognize a number of names on the list who were supported by Emily's List (Yvette Clarke, Chellie Pingree, Donna Edwards).  A major screw up on these lines was NY-21, an open seat in 2008 where the best funded and most conservative Democrat (Paul Tonko) won the Primary against several more progressive opponents. If we united, this was a clear Progressive seat for a long time.

2) I gather some people may not want to be labelled Progressive.  We might recruit some of the missing here.  Rush Holt?  Nita Lowey?  

3) Blue Dogs are pretty lax on funding the DCCC  but they do consistently fund other Blue Dogs.  Progressives shhould fund Progressives.  My impression has been that the DCCC consistently over funds Blue Dogs early in the cycle before it can even be determined if they are threatened.


They SHOULD Despise Us. They F'K us Over AND (0.00 / 0)
We Give Them money ANYWAY.

HELLO over educated mouth breathers ...

We should NOT help any of these people, AT ALL.

What are the Top 4 things most of us care about?

IF someone is NOT on board completely for at least 3, fuck 'em.

I know many of us are hoping for our Cindy Sheehan at Crawford or MLK at the Mall moment ... but ... let's get f'ing real. Those moments don't come along that often - the rest of life is work.

rmm.


It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


What is the marginal utility of the last Republican voter? (0.00 / 0)
Progressives might have a different answer to that than the party regulars -- taking a more policy oriented view.


I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

progressives (4.00 / 2)
as a whole always think of the country first rather then their own agenda and thats why unlike all the other groups in the congress they never advance their policies to fruition. if we are to move left of the current trend in america the progressives (i prefer liberal) must start holding the line on liberal ideas and make the leadership pay for not including the liberal agenda in americas political discourse, not only is this an issue of fairness to a segment of the congress but it is also good for america and its citizens, along with the future of the american dream, unlike the nightmare we live under conservative rule and its agenda, history proves this beyond a political doubt.  

great job chris (4.00 / 1)
real politik and idealistic at the same time.

normally... (0.00 / 0)
i'd support the democrat, but this doesn't mean I'd give money to a blue dog. I think progressives should know better then to do that. However, what happens when the public discourse shifts back to social issues? The blue dog plays much nicer then the GOP no?

I suppose the nice thing about a financial meltdown is that it sets our priorities as a group. Good, it's about time.


Excellent, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
I agree. No money for those who only seek to undermine progressive change.  

Progressive Irrelevance (0.00 / 0)
Before we go jumping off a cliff here, let's remember that the Republican's are in the dire mess they are in right now because they kicked all the moderates out of the party and all they have now are the "tin foil hat" crowd.  If we as Democrats don't want to go the same way, we need to keep the Democratic party open to all.

This is not at all true... (4.00 / 1)
...and Newt Gingrich would laugh at you (justifiably).

He has gone on TV and said several times the demise of the Republican party was his fault, for not being more careful who he carried in to Congress with Contract for America and the successive years, too many moderates and mediocres.

Some of these folks have been taken out by Democrats, some by Republicans...but what you are referring to is something different.  When Republicans are scared, when they are threatened, they run to the base/wing of the party - when Democrats are threatened/afraid they run to the center, towards the other party...that is something we need to put an end to.

I don't expect every Democratic candidate to be as liberal as I am, but I do expect them to be with us on the basic principles, the party platform, the "easy calls".  Instead I find most candidates willing to give away a lot of ground on health care and education, tax policy and environment...and we tolerate it...in many cases we encourage it by continuing to give our money to them.


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We are far from Rush territory (0.00 / 0)
That may be a concern we need to address at some point far off in the distance, but right now we have the opposite problem. We have almost NO leverage over our own party. Yes we need to be careful to have a big enough tent to be representative of the majority of the country, but there is no reason we should not be pushing that representation to our priorities at the same time.

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