More From William Black On Responding To The Wall Street Meltdown

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 18:45


In comments to my earlier diary, "It's the Criminality, Stupid! Bill Moyers/William Black On The Wall Street Meltdown", the issue was raised whether Black was misrepresenting the scope of the Prompt Corrective Action Law, as alleged in a recommended DKos diary, "Please be smarter than the Freepers".  While the accusation in the diary is over the top, the question of whether Black is misrepresenting the law (and if so, intentionally or not, clearly or not, etc.) is certainly germane to his arguments based on it.  My initial response was that that was not my main concern, as there was a broader thrust to Black's argument that doesn't depend on legal specifics, and that broader thrust was my main concern.  This contrasts with what's happening over at DKos, where the diary linked to above was responding to another more narrow and sensationalist diary.  

Then, in another comment, Joel wrote:

But if the guy's lying about even one minor part of his argument, probably best to make an argument without relying on him personally.

(Though maybe he's not lying. I'm gonna poke around and see if I can figure that out to my own satisfaction.)

While I can certainly appreciate this approach in terms of gladiatorial argumentation--and want to hear what Joel turns up--it's somewhat different from a reporter's point of view, where even very unreliable sources sometimes provide invaluable information that turns out to be crucial as well as boringly true.  Or sometimes they simply point you in the right direction by posing questions you hadn't thought of before.  Questions, after all, aren't right or wrong.  They're fruitful or not. Insightful or not. Misleading or not. Etc., etc., etc.

So, on the flip I want to look back at a set of suggestions that Black and James Galbraith made last fall, which I referred to in my previous diary.  I believe they stand up very well, and are not undermined in any way by questions about whether Black was right or wrong about the Prompt Corrective Action Law, either wittingly or not.  Others may not agree.  But, hey, what's a comment thread for?

Paul Rosenberg :: More From William Black On Responding To The Wall Street Meltdown
The Galbraith/Black piece was called "Bailout Plan: Trust But Verify.".  In it they said:

Congress must now impose conditions to protect the public, the national interest and, not least, the interests of the next administration.

Herewith a short list:

Needless to say, no such list of conditions was adopted, but it could have been adopted when Obama took office.  Instead, Obama opposed any added safeguards.  Here, then is the list:

1) A disclosure clause. Treasury should have immediate and complete access to information about portfolios, counterparties, the internal valuation methods used by financial firms, their proprietary models and the history of adjustments made to those models to recognize or conceal losses as the crisis unfolded.

This seems both eminently sensible, and in no way related to, or thrown in question by any concerns about Black's statements about the Prompt Corrective Action Law (PCAL from here on out).

2) A pricing clause. Treasury should establish a transparent mechanism to establish a before-the-bailout fair market value for mortgage-backed securities, set limits on the premium paid over that value and require that financial institutions value their full portfolios at the sale price. In other words, the practice of concealing losses--"accounting forbearance"--should be prohibited.

Again, this seems perfectly reasonable to me, and totally unrelated to Black's claims about the PCAL.

3) A fraud clause. Securities purchased should be reviewed and those found to be based on fraudulent appraisals, inadequate documentation, predatory and other abusive practice should be kicked back to the lenders at a penalty rate.

Again, seems quite reasonable to me.  I'm open to arguments to the contrary, of course.  But how is refusing to honor fraud a bad thing?  Again, no connection to Black's statements regarding the PCAL that I can see.

4) An enforcement clause. Treasury should be required to establish a framework for investigations and criminal referrals and to prove that the framework is in aggressive use. Participating firms should be required to investigate and document past frauds, to establish internal anti-fraud controls and make criminal referrals as necessary. The FBI and Assistant US Attorneys should get "'blank check" authorization to pursue the crimes behind this debacle.

I can certainly understand why Republicans would object to this.  But I'm of the opinion that any Democrat who does ought to be kicked out of the party.  Connection to Black's statements about the PCAL?  None.

5) An arbitrage clause. One big danger of Paulson's plan is that non-US institutions, hedge funds and others will seize the chance to sell their bad holdings to eligible US institutions, replenishing the swamp just as the Treasury seeks to drain it. All US financial institutions should be required to provide baseline information on their mortgage-backed securities and other eligible holdings as of September 15, 2008.

Another seeming no-brainer to me.  Tell me why I'm wrong, and I'll listen.  But I doubt if anyone can draw a connection between this and Black's statement about the PCAL.

6) A transparency clause. Treasury operations under this plan, including communications and consultation with outside advisers, should be transparent to Congress, which should be get whatever information it wants, at regular intervals. No exceptions.

Congressional oversight is one of Congress's most basic and vital functions.  It's why we have separate branches of government.  To make sure they keep each other honest. What part of "separation of powers" doesn't who understand?  And WTF does this possibly have to do with whatever Black said about the PCAL?

7) A crony clause. This program must be run by people who are free of abusive conflicts of interest. To ensure this, the Treasury should require full financial disclosure for anyone hired to administer the program, and impose rules and a system to enforce a strict conflict code. Special note to Congress: John McCain personifies and embodies the crony system. Do not pass a bill that would give him, as president, unfettered control over how this program is run.

Another no-brainer.  Another no-connection-with-Black-re-the-PCAL.

8) A modification and disposal clause. As foreclosures mount, Treasury will end up in control of physical properties, which degrade rapidly if not sold or rented and occupied. To prevent this, a new agency should be established to rapidly modify existing mortgage contracts, to manage rental conversions and to lease, sell or demolish vacated homes. This agency can be run as draft boards were in wartime, by citizens in each community under federal guidelines.

A very commonsense idea, and one that others made as well.  Again, no connection with Black's statement re the PCAL.

I think the above is a very good demonstration of why Black is well worth listening to, even if he was wrong about the PCAL.  Of course I would want to know if he is wrong and why, because one wants to know about people's fixations, blind spots, foibles, etc.  But one does not want to throw out valuable sources of insight willy-nilly.  One wants to be judicious, even when dealing with people one discovers to have given you bad information from time to time.

As Black and Galbraith said, "Trust But Verify."  This actually came from Gorbachov before Reagan, btw.  Please go ahead and verify.


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I Posted About the Alledged Lying (4.00 / 8)
on your previous column - which was very informative even if Black was, as some are saying at Kos a liar. And as you point out, there is alot more to the interview.

However, Black is not some Washington flunky - he has  credentials. That Galbraith, the people at Naked Capitalism and so forth are willing to write with him, interview etc., says something.

The idea that he went on Moyer's show and just starting lying is preposterous - it is interesting that the zealots at Kos don't even consider the possibility that he misspoke (not that it is clear that he did). Here is an apparently decently informed response from Talk Left:

Bank Holding Companies Are Not A Legal Impediment to Regulatory Receivership.

The true believers continue to swear at and troll rate anyone who doesn't take the 'liar' thing at face value and shut up.

Black made one great mistake - he apparently attacked the moral integrity of the 'one true savior' - the bringer of change!


Thanks, I'll Check That Out (4.00 / 7)
But I want to respond right away on a couple of points.  First off, it's usually not possible for a layman to puzzle out the controlling authorities in federal law.  We saw this with FISA, for example, in which it took several days to get a fairly clear consensus what the relevant passages were, and that there were no other passages elsewhere in the federal code that over-rode or invalidated them.

On a more local note, for several years now I've been sporadically following a whole subfield of law surrounding the ability of state and local entities to protect themselves and those they are responsible for from the damages of air polluters, who are broadly protected from sub-national regulation by a variety of national laws.  I've had the assistance of attorneys from the local office of the NRDC in doing this, but the plain fact is that the law is simply not yet settled, it's in the process of being battled out.  And new arguments are made from time to time bringing in either new sections of existing federal code, or new court rulings.

As a result of my experience covering various battles in this subfield, I'm quite well aware that seemingly straight-forward language in federal law may well be anything but (straight-forward language, that is).  So I know better than to think that I can discover the truth by myself with my trusty Google in a couple of minutes' or even hours' time.  This is one of those cases where real, flesh-and-blood experts are needed.  Accept no substitutes.

Second, if you look at the transcript, you'll see that Black is clearly disillusion with Obama, but when Moyers puts it too him that way, Black responds with a qualification:

BILL MOYERS: To hear you say this is unusual because you supported Barack Obama, during the campaign. But you're seeming disillusioned now.

WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, certainly in the financial sphere, I am.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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On one side we have the pseudonymous KosKop "geekesque"... (4.00 / 7)
... and on the other side, Glenn Greenwald, James Galbraith, Joe Stiglitz, and Paul Krugman.

So it obviously makes perfect sense to chase a red herring launched by one of the most disgustingly dishonest commenters on the internet, an absolute nobody and all-around scumbag like "geekesque," as if every phrase in his miserable diary has to be parsed by experts in a field of law where there are obviously no experts whatsoever of any description, because no whale like Citi/Group/Bank has ever before beached itself on the public shore.

Let's get the same experts who unraveled the last tangle involving Mexican law as applied to the possibility of a foreign government owning half of Banamex! What a wonderful idea! Except that there are no such "experts!"

So James Galbraith, Paul Krugman, Joe Stiglitz, and Glenn Greenwald are all on almost exactly the same page, along with a few other lesser-known economists like Dean Baker who saw the catastrophe coming, and yet...

...for some strange reason...

...because "geekesque" claims that the "Prompt Corrective Action" law doesn't really mean prompt, or corrective, or really, much of anything...

We ignore a battalion of Nobel-Prize-winners and the most respected legal blogger on the internet, and throw up our hands until non-existent "experts" arrive from another honking planet and sort it all out for us!

Harharharhar!!!

Chase that red herring, kiddies! Chase it 'til you puke!


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When are people going to (4.00 / 6)
start pointing out that most of Obama's sychophants were probush dems.  Geekesque was a major Iraq war supporter, so were nearly all of Obama's major supporters at TNR. I think the thing that is pissing me off the most about all this is that I am being told to shut up and defer to my betters just like I was in the runup to to the Iraq war, and during surge.

My blog  

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dKos (4.00 / 1)
has become little more than a sycophant mob, every bit as intellectually dishonest and glass-eyed as any Bush cheerleader over the last 8 years.

IMO.


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I couldn't agree more... (0.00 / 0)
...and I find that site almost disturbing.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me-and I welcome their hatred. - FDR

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I too saw the other DK diary (4.00 / 1)
The question is how much is one lying and is one "spinning"?

My issue with Kossacks is that while it is good to think the best of your new Dem president, there is too much to question that is going on in the background.  

The Kossack diarist admits there is a problem with transparency, but I think it is too easy to color it with a boldface accusation and calling many to be better than freepers.  Strong words in order not to look at the problems with the folks.  He should tell that to Glenn Greenwald's face too as Glenn is also a lawyer.  

We are questioning as to whether or not Obama made good choices to handle this mess.  It would not be a sign of weakness if Obama persuaded Summers to be "one of those consultants", but for a much lower rate than Goldman Sachs paid him. Otherwise, Glenn has a point.  


Well, I've been poking around (2.00 / 2)
a bit, as threatened. And this well out of my area of expertise. (Well, kinda: I write lies for a living. But I can barely balance my checkbook.)

Seems to me that Black was pretty out of line. He said: "We adopted a law after the Savings and Loan crisis, called the Prompt Corrective Action Law. And it requires them to close these institutions. And they're refusing to obey the law."

Far as I can tell--which again, isn't far--that's completely false. We're required to put them into receivership or do something else. Just about anything else, far as I can tell, as long as they have some excuse for it.

So if I'm right about that, it's beyond sloppy, and reminds me uncomfortably of George Will's recent climate bullshit.

On the other hand, everything I've heard about Galbraith is positive, so I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy he writes with.

On the third hand, my point was basically that because "unreliable sources sometimes provide invaluable information that turns out to be crucial as well as boringly true" we're better off pursing those questions without relying on those specific sources. Great that they point us in the right direction, but after that best to leave them behind. That's just a general point with which I imagine Paul agrees.



But isn't it possible (4.00 / 2)
that by 'closing them down' he meant 'put them into receivership'?

Surely he was not saying fire all the employees at Citi or BofA and board up the windows?


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Absolutely. I assume he meant precisely that. (2.67 / 3)
He seemed to be saying that the Obama administration had to put them into receivership or was breaking the law. That's more than a minor point, accusing someone of engaging in criminal activity.

From my reading (and again, I'm a not-particularly-well-informed layman), that's simply false, and the law does not require them to put these institutions into receivership.

So if I'm right, Black is falsely accusing the Obama administration of breaking the law. But the law is full of stuff like this:

(2) Specific actions authorized
The appropriate Federal banking agency shall carry out this section by taking 1 or more of the following actions:
(A) Requiring recapitalization
Doing 1 or more of the following:
(i) Requiring the institution to sell enough shares or obligations of the institution so that the institution will be adequately capitalized after the sale.
(ii) Further requiring that instruments sold under clause (i) be voting shares.
(iii) Requiring the institution to be acquired by a depository institution holding company, or to combine with another insured depository institution, if 1 or more grounds exist for appointing a conservator or receiver for the institution.
(B) Restricting transactions with affiliates
(i) Requiring the institution to comply with section 371c of this title as if subsection (d)(1) of that section (exempting transactions with certain affiliated institutions) did not apply.
(ii) Further restricting the institution's transactions with affiliates.

So while I think Black is wrong, I very, very, very possible could be completely mistaken. Give the link a read and tell me what you think.


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I don't mean to paste too much legal (4.00 / 1)
stuff here, but

C) Appointment of receiver required if other action fails to restore capital
(i) In general Notwithstanding subparagraphs (A) and (B), the appropriate Federal banking agency shall appoint a receiver for the insured depository institution if the institution is critically undercapitalized on average during the calendar quarter beginning 270 days after the date on which the institution became critically undercapitalized.
(ii) Exception Notwithstanding clause (i), the appropriate Federal banking agency may continue to take such other action as the agency determines to be appropriate in lieu of such appointment if-
(I) the agency determines, with the concurrence of the Corporation, that (aa) the insured depository institution has positive net worth, (bb) the insured depository institution has been in substantial compliance with an approved capital restoration plan which requires consistent improvement in the institution's capital since the date of the approval of the plan, (cc) the insured depository institution is profitable or has an upward trend in earnings the agency projects as sustainable, and (dd) the insured depository institution is reducing the ratio of nonperforming loans to total loans; and
(II) the head of the appropriate Federal banking agency and the Chairperson of the Board of Directors both certify that the institution is viable and not expected to fail.

That seems to be saying that after 270 days (plus a quarter? or part of a quarter? Or something) after the determination of being critically undercapitalized (and I'm not sure when that was made), the administration must  (well, 'in general') put the institution into receivership unless they both agree to a bunch of stuff that strikes me in my ignorance as fairly slippery.

But I'll stop talking about things I don't understand now, and do a bit more reading, instead!


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Experts! (4.00 / 4)
I feel like I'm my own echo here.

There's just no way that reading more of this stuff is going to provide the realworld context we're lacking.

It's not that the experts should be treated like gods.  We still get to ask them questions and stuff.  In fact, that's sort of the whole point.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I Think We Need To Hear From Experts (4.00 / 3)
Read my other comment about my own experience as a reporter dealing with local air pollution regulation, and you'll see what I mean.

The one problem I can see right off is that multiple forms of action might be permissible under law, but not applicable to the kinds of failures that Black was talking about.

Alternatively, this might not actually be the case for all of them, but Black might have honestly been mistaken about some of them.  See where the room for grey areas can suddenly expand?  See why you want to hear from experts?  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Be careful, or you'll argue (0.00 / 0)
away the entire existence of blogs!

[ Parent ]
So Balkinization, Talk Left & Unclaimed Territory Aren't Blogs? (4.00 / 2)
Good to know, I guess.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. (0.00 / 0)


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You Now Owe Me A 500-Word Essay (0.00 / 0)
on the differences between irony, sarcasm and snark.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Okay, Help Me Out Here (4.00 / 1)
Far as I can tell--which again, isn't far--that's completely false. We're required to put them into receivership or do something else. Just about anything else, far as I can tell, as long as they have some excuse for it.

What counts as "something else. Just about anything else"?

Without knowing that, I can't really tell if it's "beyond sloppy".  Or even if I'd really even call it sloppy, as I know from long experience that precision can often--unfortunately--be the enemy of clarity.

Beyond that, even if he were completely wrong on this, he'd have quite a ways to go to get anywhere close to George Will climate territory.  Will isn't just wrong about one particular thing, he's wrong about everything, about the entire nature of the debate.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You'll have to read the link I (0.00 / 0)
provided above. I'm out of my depth.

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Well Paul, I'm glad you decided to (0.00 / 0)
wade into this mess and try to make some sense of it because I sure as hell wasn't going to. And from what you are saying here, I'm glad I didn't waste any time trying.

I saw that "Don't be like a Freeper" diary at the top of the DKos rec list this morning and suspected that something wasn't quite right. But I didn't have time or inclination to try to sort it out, so I just left it. Thanks for shedding some light.


I don't know either, but it ain't completely my fault, is it? (4.00 / 8)
Given the available evidence, I'd say we're pretty sure that AIG is insolvent, but it's not a bank. We think -- or at least Krugman, Stiglitz, Galbraith, etc. are telling us -- that Bank of America, Citicorp, and possibly several other large bank conglomerates are also insolvent. We can't know for sure, of course, because no one seems able to tell us what their assets are actually worth.

The suspicion, of course, is that the Obama administration is actually doing its best to avoid assigning the assets in question a reasonable valuation, namely by refusing to force the banks to sell any of of them without a substantial subsidy, in fact a guarantee to the buyers that they can't suffer significant losses from the transaction. What they're doing looks to many outside the charmed circle, including me, like the moral equivalent of holding their hands over their eyes lest they find out the awful truth themselves.

Under the circumstances, I think that it's perfectly reasonable to ask whether or not they're doing this specifically in order not to put the banks into receivership, especially when it appears that they're far more interested in preserving bankers as a class than in reforming the financial system.

To date, of course, no one is willing to tell us anything which might allow us -- expert or not -- to assess whether or not such reasons as they have for doing what they're doing make sense. Maybe it's true that if they keep pouring capital into the banks in question, all that toxic waste will magically be transmuted into assets of great value. Then again, the available evidence strongly suggests otherwise, and their silence on the matter isn't helpful to anyone outside their own circle.

So I ask you, why, exactly, are we bashing Mr. Black here? Sounds a bit like shooting the messenger to me.


Shoot The Messenger? (4.00 / 1)
Exactly!

Ouzi?  Or Predator Drone?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A much older weapon (0.00 / 0)
Slander, to be precise.

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I should add (4.00 / 2)
that there are ample precedents for believing that Presidents, Obama not excluded, are willing to ignore the law when it suits what they believe to be a higher purpose. I won't bother citing these precedents; we have the eloquent Mr. Greenwald -- the blessings of Allah be upon him -- for that.

William Black may be right in this case, or he may be wrong, but what he said is certainly not implausible, not in this day and age.


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Precedent and coincidence... (4.00 / 2)
Administration Seeks an Out On Bailout Rules for Firms Officials Worry Constraints Set by Congress Deter Participation  

Problem is the preliminary data shows a pattern and indicates Obama is still off on the wrong track, something voters clearly said they wanted changed.   While I'll be the first to admit that I tend to idealism and can be too literal for my own good, I see way too many areas where his actions do not match his campaign promises.

I don't think voters are in much of a mood to accept any more of the same.  At least, I hope not.  The fraudulent losses suffered as a result of the wars and the bank meltdown have squarely landed on the shoulders of average Americans and their grandkids. There is no way we can assume this burden given the decline in our wages, the systemic elimination of our high jobs, and the redistribution of our wealth up and out.  Globalization has become the great disfuser of accountability for corporations and politicians.  What they can't steal here, they can simply move overseas.  


[ Parent ]
The Broader Thrust of Black's (4.00 / 3)
argument, that we were undone by financial industry fraud at all levels, is what registered with me, and is the right way to understand all this.

I don't think Black is (4.00 / 1)
right in his suggesting that the FDIC is REQUIRED in the manner suggested, and I represented a number of S&L's in the late 80's.  I doubt it is intentional, though.   Moreover, and this point has been missed, there is significant similarity between Geithner's toxic assets plan and the way assets were disposed during the S&L crisis.  I will try to find a comparison and post it here.

A lot of the suggestions in this diary are an attempt to require in law either what is already in law (eg, there are laws on fraud already).

Here is my basic problem with the discussion this morning : either you have officials committed to the public interest and who believe in the mission of the agency they are a part of or you don't.  There is, in any law enforcement agency or administrative agency, always substantial discretion.  Anyone who has been in law enforcement knows that there SHOULD be discretion, or you wind up prosecuting someone for stealing a loaf of bread. Black's reading of the law reads out that discretion, and I don't think he is right about that.

In the end, WHO is enforcing the law is always of critical importance.  In the Bush administration we had an SEC Chair who did not believe in the SEC's mission, with disastrous results.  You cannot legislate everything.  Much of what Paul suggests here I agree with, and should, and would be done by people who have the public interest first and foremost.

The REAL question on the table is whether Giethner, and by extension Obama, have that commitment.  I think they do, but there is certainly a case to be made that they are too close to the large financial institutions.  


The eye of the beholder (4.00 / 2)
Yes, that's the question, but it isn't the only one. On what evidence do you base your view that Geithner and Obama are committed to a solution to the problem which is both legal and just?

As long as neither of them are willing to be open about what they're up to, and the Congress has its head up its ass, we'll be tempted to find legal solutions where there may not be any, just as the Supreme Court, in Brown v. Board of Education, were arguably ahead of both the law as it had been interpreted, and public sentiment.

Frankly, I think that an argument which alleges that the situation is too delicate to let the public in on what's going on, that a world-wide crisis in confidence would ensue, irreparably damaging the banking system, and bringing on an unspecified, and therefore unimaginable catastrophe, is both self-serving and wrong.

You say the glass is half full; I say that the same evidence indicates that it may very well be completely empty. Which brings us to the real real question: how can you trust, when you can't verify?


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I'm With William (4.00 / 1)
I agree completely with you when you say:

The REAL question on the table is whether Giethner, and by extension Obama, have that commitment.

But then when you follow up with:


I think they do, but there is certainly a case to be made that they are too close to the large financial institutions.  

You lose me, simply because I see no supporting evidence.  One of the main reasons for laying out the list of proposals was to give us some conceptual benchmarks regarding what a responsible plan would look like.  I've seen nothing close to such thinking coming from Obama and his team.

So, please, if there is some evidence I've missed, let me know.  I really do want to see Obama succeed.  The whole point of all this criticism is not to tear down, but to build pressure to move in a positive direction.

So I would welcome any signs that he has already done so, as that would indicate something I could cheerlead for more of.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The reason (0.00 / 0)
is simple, and Chris had a really good piece on it during the week.  I doubt you will see this response but....

Straight up - you cannot disentangle the regulatory reaction from the judgment about what the CDO's are worth.  Even if Black is right in his reading of the statute(and I think he is clearly wrong)_ if the CDO's are worth 60 cents on the dollar and not 20 cents on the dollar, none of these banks are close to bankrupt.

If Giethner and Obama are right, then the steps they have taken are appropriate.  If they are wrong, then they are wasting trillions.  But make no mistake, at the heart of this argument is a complicated judgment that is beyond ideology.

In the end, this is a dispute between technocrats and ideologues. The technocrats think the value of the CDO's has an answer, and the answer can inform polioy.  The ideolouges appear disinterested in the value of the CDO's and more interested in applying whatever solution their ideology suggests is correct.

In this instance I think the technocrats are right. I can think of many instances where they are wrong, but here I think they are right.      


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Not Exactly (0.00 / 0)
I've got several problems with your claims here, not least the technocrat/ideologue dichotomy, as if the technocrats were ideology-free.  But perhaps the least ideologically implicated problem was highlighted by Krugman in a recent blog post:

On the run: this critique of my views is interesting. But I think there's a crucial assumption that isn't right. The question isn't whether "the banks" are insolvent; most surely aren't. Instead, some banks are probably insolvent.

So it's not the case that the costs of the PPIP are costs we'd have to bear one way or another; there's a lot of money going to institutions that would never otherwise arrive at the taxpayers' door.

And that, in a broad sense, is what's wrong with TARPish rescue schemes. They try to fix the banks by driving up the price of a whole asset class. Most of those assets are NOT held by the probably insolvent banks. So it's a diffuse, inefficient way of tackling the problem - a taxpayer subsidy to basically anyone holding toxic waste legacy assets, rather than a direct infusion of funds where needed. Contrast it with what the FDIC does when it moves in: it doesn't shower money on banks in general, hoping that this will solve the problem; it seizes banks that are in trouble, and recapitalizes them. [Emphasis added]

Krugman's point here is in no way dependent on the pricing of CDOs.  And it's pretty damn hard to see how it qualifies as ideological, rather than pragmatic.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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