Afghanistan: Obama's Vietnam?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 14:00


This is republished from the April 2 edition of Random Lengths News.


Afghanistan: Obama's Vietnam?
Less New Thinking and More Old Mistakes
By Paul Rosenberg, Senior Editor
On October 2, 2002, Barack Obama, then an Illinois State Senator, gave a speech opposing going to war in Iraq.  That speech, at that time, would prove crucial to his election, first as a US Senator two years later, and then as President, four years after that.  Democrats who equivocated were a dime a dozen.  Obama stood out, because he stood up when others did not, and said, "This is wrong."  

He did not oppose all wars.  He cited the Civil War and World War II as specific examples of necessary ones.  But, he said, "I'm opposed to dumb wars." Yet, on January 23, his third full day as President, Obama ordered two separate air strikes in Pakistan, killing 14 civilians, along with four suspected terrorists.  One strike killed six civilians along with four suspected terrorists staying in their home, the other simply hit the wrong target, the home of a pro-government tribal elder, Malik Deen Faraz in the Gangikhel area of South Waziristan, killing him, his three sons and a grandson, along with three others.

Now President Obama has made it official.  In addition to another 17,000 troops promised early, he made an additional pledge of 4,000 more on Friday, March 27.  It was reportedly a 'carefully calibrated' decision, these would be trainers not combat troops, we were told.  But Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran, whose career included long stretches preparing security briefs for Presidents Reagan and Bush Sr., was not impressed with such fine distinctions.

Paul Rosenberg :: Afghanistan: Obama's Vietnam?
"I was wrong," McGovern wrote about his belief that Obama's campaign rhetoric regarding escalation in Afghanistan would not be followed through.  "I kept thinking to myself that when he got briefed on the history of Afghanistan and the oft-proven ability of Afghan 'militants' to drive out foreign invaders - from Alexander the Great, to the Persians, the Mongolians, Indians, British, Russians - he would be sure to understand why they call mountainous Afghanistan the 'graveyard of empires.'"

Perhaps Obama got that briefing, perhaps he didn't. But one thing is certain, McGovern went on to explain: he did not get the kind of intelligence briefing that used to be standard before the Bush regime consigned them to irrelevancy.   Traditionally, the national intelligence estimate (NIE) had been the core intelligence product used to summarize the collective advice of the intelligence community, but as USA Today reported on September 11, 2002 ("Iraq Course Set From Tight White House Circle"), no NIE had been prepared on the topic of invading Iraq.

"An intelligence official says that's because the White House doesn't want to detail the uncertainties that persist about Iraq's arsenal and Saddam's intentions. A senior administration official says such an assessment simply wasn't seen as helpful," USA Today reported, adding, "Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, calls that 'stunning.'

'If we are about to make a decision that could risk American lives, we need full and accurate information on which to base that decision,' he says in a letter sent Tuesday to leaders of the committee and CIA Director George Tenet."

The pressure forced an NIE to be created, but it was highly politicized, and remains a subject of controversy to this day.  Now Obama has chosen a renewed commitment to an open-ended military involvement in Afghanistan with no NIE at all.

But McGovern also reminds us of an April 2006 NIE on global terrorism-ignored by Bush at the time, and now being ignored by Obama as well: "The authors of that estimate had few cognitive problems and simply declared their judgment that invasions and occupations (in 2006 the target then was Iraq) do not make us safer but lead instead to an upsurge in terrorism."

Echoing the 2006 NIE, in January, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace issued a policy brief, "Focus and Exit: An Alternative Strategy for the Afghan War" written by Gilles Dorronsoro.  It's top-line recommendations were directly contrary to the path Obama has chosen:

  • Objectives in Afghanistan must be reconciled with the resources available to pursue them.
  • The mere presence of foreign soldiers fighting a war in Afghanistan is probably the single most important factor in the resurgence of the Taliban.
  • The best way to weaken, and perhaps divide, the armed opposition is to reduce military confrontations.
  • The main policy objective should be to leave an Afghan government that is able to survive a U.S. withdrawal.
  • Strategy should differentiate three areas and allocate resources accordingly: strategic cities and transportation routes that must be under total Afghan/alliance control; buffers around strategic areas, where NATO and the Afghan army would focus their struggle against insurgents; and opposition territory, where NATO and Afghan forces would not expend effort or resources.
  • Withdrawal will allow the United States to focus on the central security problem in the region: al-Qaeda and the instability in Pakistan.

It's important to note that with limited resources, Carnegie says we cannot and should not focus on disrupting insurgents where they are strongest, we should focus on building something positive instead. Obama's fanatasy of doing both is just that: a fantasy.

Of course, in the background of all of this is the strong sense of a moral obligation to combat Taliban-style fundamentalism, with its extreme subjugation of women.  But Obama's current course is detrimental to that struggle as well, according to Sameer Dossani, who in 1999 became the first staff person of the International Network for the Rights of Female Victims of Violence in Pakistan, a group that was combating "honor crimes" --domestic violence up to and including murder against female family members accused of inappropriate conduct--along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Such crimes were greatly on the rise due to the spread of Taliban-style Wahabi Islam.  The weapon of choice in fighting honor crimes? Education.

"We taught women their rights under Pakistani and Afghani law, we taught about the passages in the Quran that mentioned women's rights, and we also tried to educate people about other traditions," he wrote in an article last November titled "The Case for U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan."  

Dossani's recommendations strongly paralleled those from Carnegie, but with an added component aimed at long-term cultural education in order to combat fundamentalism.

These are but a few of the voices from a wide range of perspectives urging us to turn away from a military approach in Afghanistan.  What's more, a February CNN poll found the American people slightly opposed to the war there-51-47%, but with 64% of Democrats opposed.  While Bush never listened to those who disagreed with him politically, Obama seems to have made a fetish of the opposite: he has listened almost exclusively to Bush holdovers in the military, from Defense Secretary Gates on down, while tuning out those whose diverse alternative approaches have much more support in his political base.  In doing so, he risks splitting the Democratic base that elected him-not right away, but over the course of years, as happened with Kennedy and Johnson in Vietnam, who also felt a need not to break too sharply with Republican hawkishness.

Indeed, it is difficult to escape the feeling that if Barack Obama were still an Illinois State Senator, he would look at this latest push to escalate the war in Afghanistan, and conclude that it too, had to be opposed, because it is a "dumb war."


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"America is the Greatest Nation in the History of the World!" (0.00 / 0)
Nice Diary.

Here's the problem. Americans are DUMB. They are not people, they are peeple.

I Listened to Obama respond to a question about "American Exceptionalism" and he answered it as if he did not know what that phrase means...it's a neo-con idea.  He sounded exactly like Bush confirming that America SHOULD lead the world because it is unique and unique in world history,  while double speaking about how Greeks and British also view themselves as exceptional.

You know I get so tired of these phrases and these studies by "The Institue for Advanced Social Strategic Warfare Hemsipherically Organized Latitudinally Energized....or The NIE....National "Intelligence" Estimate. They all end up spelling ASSWHOLE.

Americans are mesmerized by fancy sounding phrases whenever the word "intelligence" is included in them. American peeple think people who are in these organizations must really be smart and we should really respect their "intelligence".

That's why Government officals love to tell the American peeple that the world is filled  "GREY AREAS" and that the World is "Complex" and that only "Experts" can understand anything.

This is all common sense, man. You don't have to read the paper to know that these wars are utterly absurd and useless, that there is NO AL QUEDA to speak of... that you are being ripped off by credit card companies, banks, the government, utilities and on and on.

I like Ray McGovern, but you don't need him to tell you what's so obvious.
Trust your commonsense.


Great post, but Vietnam isn't a good metaphor, methinks (4.00 / 5)
I would like to discourage the use of Vietnam as a basis of comparison for one simple reason: the strategic fallout from this mistake, just like in Iraq, will be vastly worse than Vietnam was.

The US was able to waste vast amounts of blood and treasure in Vietnam because it was also the planet's most powerful economy. That war, as awful as it was, was economically sustainable to a large extent. We not only don't have that luxury this time around, but Obama will have to rack up a couple Trillion in new debt just to keep The Long War going. So the price we are all going to pay going forward will make Vietnam look positively cheap.

So once again our vaunted "leaders" have decided to relearn the limits of US power, while simultaneously crushing our economy into the ground, which will only further degrade our position on the planet. Thus the real strategic price will be more like the British loss at Suez, with its concomitant loss of Pound Sterling strength as a reserve currency and the nearly decade long recession that went with the loss of economic power. When empires fade, they take a lot of things and people with them.

I would suggest that if Obama really did care about the US National Interest, he would find a way to wind down the Afghan involvement and get us out of there. But he's not going to do that, so if we couple that in with his egregious mishandling of the economy, we're in for a very bumpy ride indeed. As an added bonus, we'll be able to credit him with also destroying NATO in the process.

If one wished to destabilize this country and diminish its strategic position in the world, one could hardly think of a better way of doing it.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


Bush and Obama are indistinguishable. (0.00 / 0)
Is there any major difference between Obama and Bush?

Can anybody tell me what it is?

Obama leans to the left while movin' to the right.

Isn't Afghanistan a no brainer?

Isn't really stupid to be there?

Who is the US and A fighting there?

Does Al Queda really ...truly exist as an entity?

Who in America really ought to be concerned who governs Afghanistan?

Is it because so many Americans have relatives there?

Is it because America cares about the welfare of other nations?


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No Historical Analogy Is Exact (0.00 / 0)
and you make good points.  But what analogy is better?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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The Brits at Suez isn't bad... (4.00 / 1)
... since that episode basically put the Imperial Fork of Doom in the bum of the British Empire. The pound fell, London lost its status (for quite a while) as one of the world's great financial centers, they had a huge and lengthy recession which reduced the standard of living in the UK pretty significantly and so on. Loss of power also means having to pay a lot more to service one's debt, which the Brits had at that time as they tried to recover from WW2. Massive budget cuts anyone?

This is all primarily the result of the world realizing the British Empire was no more (they couldn't prevail without US support and they couldn't get that) and that was nothing in terms of effort and treasure expended compared to our current neo-con misadventures.

After Vietnam, the dollar as reserve currency was never in doubt. Now it is. Our economy wasn't in doubt, as we were the world's biggest, baddest economy. Now it's not only in doubt, its on life support and its still collapsing. Back then our relative power was weakened, but not down and out. Now we are viewed as very nearly "history."

So the fall of many empires would suffice. The British, the French, the Portugese, Spain and so on. All of them suffered rather a lot as they made the adjustment to "just another country." So it would behoove our leaders to start planning along those lines, instead of trying to make pretend that we're somehow different. But they're obviously not going to do that, because we're "special."

Indeed, perhaps it might be appropriate to consider the example of the fall of the Soviet Union, since their economy also imploded and their people were also put through neo-liberal "shock treatment," just as our people are being treated to now. Thing is, the Russians were already pretty poor, so they didn't have that far to fall. We'll be falling a lot farther. But at least we're "special!"

But at some point, the EU will grow tired of Afghanistan as their people grow tired of it and they will bail. The Russians will grow tired of it and will start playing games with the logistical routes when it feels sufficiently cocky to do so. The Afghans will, at some point, make their own views heard in their traditional fashion of burying empires that intrude upon them. But this may continue apace for all of Obama's eight years. It may not as well.

At this point, given how the only people applauding Obama's Afghan plan are neocons Kristol, Kagan and so on, and the Center for American Progress (also New America Foundation), I fully expect Obama to start backing off his intention of getting out of Iraq as well. When Robert Kagan sez "he's cool!", you know there's a problem there.

I'm starting to think the fall of the Soviet Union. Our façade isn't much better than theirs was, now that I think on it. We've destroyed our real strength over the last decade of foolishness. We've been a paper tiger ever since then.

A paper tiger with nukes, I should add. At some point those will be our only real means of extorting other nations.



"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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A Good Argument, Perhaps (4.00 / 1)
but Britain after WWII is so far past its imperial peak it just can't possibly work for me.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I Am Very Surprised At The Center For American Progress (4.00 / 3)
       I really respect Lawerence Kolb and upset about his position.  Though, there are fine points in his strategy, it still reeks of a "military solution".
      Though, I must add, not everyone at the Center for American Progress agrees with Afghanistan build-up.
       I see a lot of bad occurring in Afghanistand and Pakistan very shortly--already there is some news outlets showing the problems.  I strongly believe this time--even with Petraus and the rest--the American people, especially Obama's base (as Paul points out) does not support this war in higher numbers--that we will get of there sooner than later.  The question is how soon.  

PS  I just spoke to my good friend brother-in-law--he has served 5 tours as a US Marine.  He just came back from Afghanistan and he said it is a mess, and there is no way of winning.  The terrain, the border where they hide makes impossible to fight an "enemy".  He said they are like ghosts.  
    This fucken kills me.  I cannot believe Obama is listening to these goons.  Un-Fucken-Believable
I kept thinking he was posturing on the campaign.  I just read the Long March by William Styron for about the 30th time, and I struck how the damm indoctrination and how our military leaders still need to prove their  machismo!


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