The Power Of Finance Is Killing America-It Needs To Be Stopped

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 18:45


Yesterday, I published a couple of diaries dealing with William Black, his criticism of the role of criminality in the financial meltdown and his prescriptions-along with James Galbraith-for a minimal program of what ought to be done to clean up the mess.  Quite a bit of energy went into responding to a DKos-sourced attempt to discredit him, and while it's certainly important not to ignore the substance of the narrow charge against him (a charge of misrepresentation that increasingly seems anything but clear-cut), it's even more important to maintain our focus on the bigger picture-that being the role of the financial industry in wrecking our economy, and how to save ourselves from it.

It's important to note three things right off the bat: (1) There is a long-standing history of demonizing finance, which in the Western World has repeatedly been intertwined with anti-Semitism.  (2) There is a similarly long-standing history of finance being involved in recurrent economic catastrophes.  (3) There is no good reason in the world why responsible figures in the world of finance should want to bring about financial ruin.  Above all, the  anti-Semetic narratives implicated in (1) are utterly nonsensical, based on a demonic narrative about the nature of the Jews.  Yet, the unreal, even hateful nature of the narratives referred to in (1) in no way serves to invalidate the historical reality of (2).  We need to be able to walk and chew gum here, people.  PArticularly given the enormous growth in the size of the financial sector over the past few decades:

Naturally, this has enormous implications in terms of political money and power as well--as we'll examine more closely on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: The Power Of Finance Is Killing America-It Needs To Be Stopped
The simple resolution to the conflicting tensions embodied in the above three points is that historical cycles of accumulation lead to changed social circumstances in which the temper and judgment of entire populations grows increasingly unrealistic compared to longterm objective reality.  In those circumstances, financial bubbles arise along with a bubble of self-referentially concsiousness that screens out the normal long-term reality that ultimately has the last word over everything. While the financial bubbles are the immediate causes of harm, it's the bubble consciousness, with it's wildly distorted sense of reality and perverted norms that stands as the greatest obstacle to tacking corrective action after the fact.  And that is the situation we find ourselves in today.

So when I talk about the need to stop the power of finance, I am not advocating or endorsing a demonic view of that power.  Yes, it has run amok.  But its perniciousness is not, ultimately, inherent in finance per se.  The problem lies in the balance of power-or rather the lack thereof.  And it can be seen very clearly in the chart presented above.

Money In Politics

Back on March 11, I posted the following short diary

Obama's Donor Base--A Reminder By Industry

From Open Secrets:

Rank  Industry                         Total
1     Retired                          $44,524,860.00
2     Lawyers/Law Firms                $42,861,936.00
3     Education                        $22,342,123.00
4     Misc Business                    $15,457,514.00
5     Securities & Investment          $14,442,282.00
6     Health Professionals             $11,532,962.00
7     Business Services                $11,256,534.00
8     Democratic/Liberal               $11,120,392.00
9     Real Estate                      $10,351,779.00
10    Computers/Internet               $ 8,631,192.00
11    TV/Movies/Music                  $ 8,599,038.00
12    Civil Servants/Public Officials  $ 8,381,475.00
13    Printing & Publishing            $ 6,013,428.00
14    Misc Finance                     $ 5,599,284.00
15    Other                            $ 3,665,329.00
16    Hospitals/Nursing Homes          $ 3,205,041.00
17    Commercial Banks                 $ 3,167,003.00
18    Non-Profit Institutions          $ 2,902,041.00
19    Construction Services            $ 2,762,510.00
20    Insurance                        $ 2,211,348.00

The important fact, of course, is the enormous differences in how well organized different sectors are, plus how specific and how narrowly-targeted their asks are.  That's what we're seeing play out now.

It was such a short diary, I was a bit surprised that it seemed rather hard for some to take in the simple message of the longest of the two complete sentences in the post, to wit: "The important fact, of course, is the enormous differences in how well organized different sectors are, plus how specific and how narrowly-targeted their asks are."

To get things started in the right direction, here's a chart (click to expand in a new window) that gives some sense of how tightly organized the financial sector is:

If you look again at the list of industry donations to Obama, you'll see that there's no trace at all of the automotive industry.  No trace of transportation at all.  In contrast, not only does a major chunks finance ("Securities and Investments") clock in at #5, real estate also makes the top 10 at #9.  These constitute a good chunk of two of the three industry groups comprising the "FIRE" sector of the economy--Finance, Insurance and Real Estate. ("Commercial Banks," also part of finance comes in at #17, while "Insurance" shows up down in #20.)

In contrast, almost everything else in the top 10 is relative diffuse.  "Retired" encompasses people from all walks of life.  "Education", too, covers people in all manner of different fields, whose allegiences are often stronger to the fields they are in than it is to education per se. The same could be argued for "Lawyers/Law Firms," "Misc Business," and "Business Services" as well.

But, of course, that's a rather narrowly focused view of the role of money in politics.  The concern here is with the big picture, and though presidential campaign contributions loom very large in the overall picture, they do not tell the whole story, and can even mislead us about the overall shape.  So we need to take various other views into account.  (All the other information below comes from Open Secrets as well.)

Let's start off with a big-picture look at the FIRE sector vs. the transportation sector, over the full history of records that Open Secrets has in its database:

Three things stand out immediately: (1) The transportation sector is overwhelmingly Republican, by more than 2-1, while the FIRE sector is more evenly balanced, even swinging over to the Democrats this past cycle.  (2) The FIRE sector is MUCH larger in terms of contributions--almost an order of magnitude larger this past cycle. (3) The FIRE sector is growing in importance.  It was 4 times larger in 1990.  It grew to 8 1/2 times larger this last cycle.

But auto manufacturers are only a small part of the transportation sector.  In fact, they aren't even the largest chunk of the automotive industry, as can seen by looking at the following three categories within that industry:

We can compare the automakers to just one part of the Wall Street complex, hedge funds, which literally came out of nowhere 18 years ago, to take a dominant position today:

In 1990, hedge funds accounted for 1/9th the contributions that automakers provided.  They reached near parity in the year 2000, and this last cycle, hege funds accounted for almost 6 1/2 times as much in contributions as did automakers.

Is it any wonder Detroit gets no respect?

Let's go back to the sector level, and take a look at the list of top 20 contributors:

The top automaker within the transportation sector is Ford, at #10--beaten out by Enterprise Rent-A-Car!  Chrysler and GM are right behind it, but still, all three automakers combined ($2,414,136.00) didn't contribute as much as #2 UPS.  Put them into the FIRE sector and their combined total wouldn't even make the top 10--it would trail #12, Credit Union National Assn.

Now let's look at these two sectors in terms of recipients:



The order of the recipients here holds few surprises. We already know that transportation is overwhelmingly Republican, and McCain's been around forever, so he sweeps past Obama to come in #1.  But in FIRE, Obama easily passes McCain by.

The real story, once again, is the relative sizes of the two sectors.  There are NINE candidate who get more money from FIRE than McCain gets from transportation--including Norm Coleman!  It's really not much solace that one of those nine is John McCain himself.  Not much solace for the transportation industry, that is.

Transportation means even less to Obama.  Heck, Joe Biden got more from FIRE than Obama got from transportation.

Breaking it down to the industry level, we compare the whole auto industry (incuding foreign and domestic dealers) to just hedge funds:



Obama gets more from hedge funds than McCain gets from the entire automotive industry.  That alone says it all.

And, finally, looking at the two presidential candidates, we've already seen Obama, but let's look at him again, compared to McCain:



Like Obama, McCain's top two categories are retirees and lawyers--although unlike Obama, there's a much bigger drop-off from #1 to #2.  But his next two categories are both from the FIRE sector.  But despite that fact, Obama gets more from both the industries involved: $10,351,779 from real estate, compared to McCain's $8,858,237, and $14,442,282 from Securities & Investment, compared to McCain's $8,547,727.  Thus, McCain is actually vastly more dependent on the FIRE sector than Obama is, even though he takes in less money.

This can be seen as well in our last view of the contribution picture, looking at individual corporate contributors for both candidates:



Here I've added another column, just make it easier to compare the top 5 contributors from finance for both candidates.  In McCain's case, they are his top 5 contributors, period.  You just couldn't ask for a more pure Wall Street candidate than John McCain.  No wonder his head was spinning like a top as he tried to figure out what to do when the meltdown exploded.  Even so, Obama got more than twice as much from the top five Wall Street firms on his list, even though they ranked lower down.

Summary

This part is simple: any way you look at it, finance crushes transportation. Period. End of story.  That's all there is to it.

But, of course, that's not reflective of the real world.  Not in the least.  We need to totally remake our transportation system if we're to adapt and thrive in the face of global warming.  But we can't even begin to do that if our political class has a neglectful and disdainful attitude toward the transportation sector.  And we won't be able to do anything at all if they keep on worshiping Wall Street as it sucks every last dollar out of the real economy, along with IOUs that will last until the ice caps melt.


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Stellar post Paul. Really. (4.00 / 4)
I have nothing to add to this.

The only question now is how to subvert this power.  

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


Well, For One Thing (0.00 / 0)
there's a nationwide network of local rallies being organized nationwide for next Saturday.  I have a diary about it going up shortly.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Great! Look forward to it. (0.00 / 0)


"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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I Hope You Re-Think Those Comments (0.00 / 0)
Paul wrote a very damming and informative post, but the context is not there.  So, can we please have a more robust debate?

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You have provided a careful, thoughtful analysis, Paul (4.00 / 5)
That is why I come here on the weekends.

One thing that bothers me is the fact that this is a Sunday night post. Since you, Chris, David and several other contributors seem to work in shifts, Monday's rapid churn of blog entries will roll all this hard work right off the bottom of the page before the end of day tomorrow.

A lot of weekday readers may never have the opportunity to read this. And it's important that they do.

Perhaps Open Left could provide a section on the main page that provides longer term access to entries like this one.

Simply stated, some blog posts are better than others and deserve to be read by many as many people as possible. This is one of them.


Seconded! (4.00 / 1)
I would also group the themed posts (narcissism and so on) and build a library of those.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
Chris has talked about doing a site re-design, so this is definitely something to consider.

On a more specific level, I had intended to get this up earlier, but it took longer than anticipated.  I may recycle it somehow to compensate.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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This Post Has A Lot of Missing Holes (0.00 / 0)
1.  Our transportation system has been killing itself slowly for the last 25 years, deciding that R & D irrelevant, opting to use their capital lobbying against every environmental regulation, worker's rights, OHSA, etc. They don't mind losing out to foreign competition at home, as long as they are making money abroad and through their various private equity firms and other businesses ventures.  Also--along with asphalt, concrete and other highway powerful lobbyist groups--they never wanted to help steer towards a vision with lower carbon imprint means of travel.  Paradoxically, they could have been players in this area: first and foremost through creating better and more environmentally friendly cars.

2.  So our course, they are going to give the Republicans more money.  The car industry along with oil, coal, gas, etc. were doing everything to fight the War of Global Warming (before their ever was such dire straits).  Democrats as a party have been more environmentally conscious than Republicans for years--even if their power was not up to the task of reforming the car industry.

3.  Let's not forget that GM made a lot of money with their big private equity firm/hedge fund in the past. All the big 3 made a lot money through Wall St. via mergers, acquistions, dividends, deriatives, etc. They become market driven, thus bereft of any long-term vision of how to compete and grow. So, as a shrinking industry, fighting every inch of the way to be an unsustainable eneterprise (albeit for the CEO's, top executives, board members, etc.) in countrast to foreign competitors; their ability to lead, negated by purely self-interested measures, the opportunity to be a leader in car manufacturing and transportation development.  

4. The financial sector--with its disturbing business practices and power--realized that the Republicans in 2006 were going to lose both houses.  This aforementioned presumption is weak; however, with Clinton's people entrenched in the financial sector--Democrats gaining footholes in the industry--they gave more to the presumtive winners. Not that crazy of a presumption, after all.  They don't care what party is in power, they care about making money--bottom-line! So, with a unpopular war, a very unpopular President, and digust for the GOP, they bent on the Democrats.  Wouldn't you?

5. I guarantee one that Obama knows a lot more people in the financial industry--friends and acquaintances--than most of the other sectors mentioned--albeit lawyers.  Remember, he went to Harvard; the capital of high finance. Also, starting with early career in politics, he sought money from many sectors.  He talks about financial contributors in his second book, Audacity of Hope. So, any surprise they contributed highly to a candidate--who had serious connections in the financial sectors through his campaign appartus--who looked invunerable to a Republican challenger?

6.  Let's not forget, we still cannot win a Presidential Election via the netroots and grassroots movements yet, if ever.  If election laws are not changed, it is going to hard.  We have lost more elections with progressive candidates in Senate and Congressional than we want to admit.  Though, their has been a huge progress and I am grateful to the different liberal and progressive leaders and institutions.  Can we actually win New York in 2010 without powerful industries influencing candidates. I doubt it.  Though, I think Cuomo would be a shoe-in, if he runs for either Governor or Senator.  And he seems to have pretty progressive bona fides, so maybe he could win soley through the netroots, though I doubt it.

7.  This does not excuse Obama for his cabinet picks, nor his handling of this sector but to lay the direct and indirect claims of how much the Obama Administration is responsible for this mess is ludicrous! This mess started when Reagan got elected in 1980, and has grown ever since the policies of unfettered market fetishness became the norm.  Tip O'Neil's memoirs capture the sad bent of this powerful industry spurred on by the greediest, self-indulgent wealthy bussinessmen ever seen. . . worse than the robber-barons of past.  Democrats started to cave in, because of the fear of complete obsurity.  Though, there were always principled players who fought the changing and powerful economic and political ethos that captured the country. Still, plutocracy heightened, liberals and progressives were fighting amomgst themselves, and democracy was losing.

8.  So, I must disagree with your conclusion.  Democrats do not share the burden or lack of compassion for transportation: the auto-manufacturers with the help oil, coal, asphalt, concrete lobbyists paved the way for thier own demise.  And all along, they gave more to the Republicans.  Period.

I absolutely agree that if the financial sector is not shrunken further--like others, I hope they get back to their most inherent functions: creating capital and lending--and Democrats do not stop writing their laws, we are in major trouble.
Unfortunately, if Democrats did not fight on whatever playing fields available, we would not have a Democratic President giving even less hope of a more just and democracy .
 


I Don't See How Any Of This Constitutes "Holes" (4.00 / 2)
So I won't bother arguing with the parts I think are wrong-headed or irrelevant.

I will, however point out a few things that seem to have escaped you:

(1) The automakers and the transportation sector are not one and the same.

(2) There have been a lot of short-term oriented, long-term boneheaded decisions made by just about all business sectors in America, including the FIRE sector.  The fact that automakers have made many such decisions doesn't prove that they've made dramatically more of them than anyone else.

(3) I've never been an auto industry enthusiast.  But the auto industry not only owes a great unpaid debt to its long-time blue collar employees, who are about to be robbed blind, it also has tremendous industrial capacity that could be repurposed for jump-starting a new green economy.  The failure to realize this potential would be a terrible waste of capacity, which would never happen if there were 1/10 the interest in working creatively with them that there is in saving the Wall Street criminal class.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Maybe More Context, Rahter "Holes" (0.00 / 0)
1.  I realize that the automakers and transportations are different sectors.  But, automakers are a very powerful industry that did not want to the expansion of railroads routes for cargo, the expansion and improve of Amtrak light-rails, etc.

2.  The unforunate fact has been that the FIRE sector has grown and created a lot jobs; even, if this industry--as it stands--is perilous to the health of our democracy.

3.  I come from a family of union-employees and I emphathize with the auto industry's blue-collar workers. (A couple of my good friends's fathers are worried sick about their pensions and health-care.)  This still does not elude the fact that management of this industry has been weakening their workers; and without the  passage of the EFCA, I afraid that we are going to struggle for a green-collar economy up in Detroit.  More important, this industry is still not set up for the transformation of a "green industry" yet.  Cerebrus owns Chryler; Ford does not "need" help; that said, I don't know how much power our government has over these 2 companies. I garner more than I thought.

4. So, if the possibility of your third point is doable, I am mistaken.  

5.  Again, I don't understand how you don't put any historical context into this post pertaining to how FIRE became the powererful industry it is, and its hegemonic power.  Do you suggest that the Democrats should have fought contant battles, losing further irrelavancy?  Understandably, I realize the Clinton Administration and key Democrats were agents in this "third rail". Though, the atmospherics and economic and political realities of 1992 through 2000, pertaining to this industry was difficult a very difficult front. The Glass-Stegal Act was so weak by the time Clinton took office, it is laughable when say he repealed it. Barely, nothing to repeal. Should the Clinton Administration, the Democrats done more to regulate this industry?--definitely!  Should we place blame on Rubin?--definitely! Was the Fed and Treasury gambling like they were high-rollers?--definitely!  But, as history shows, this buildup was occuring since the day Reagan took the Presidency; the wheels already churning.  

6.  I protested on Wall St. on Friday with many others.  My antipathy for the industry is beyond words.  Still, unfornuately, they have a major seat at the table. And while I think Obama gets a C- at best (in previous comments way back, I called for Geithner' removal; I would get rid of Summers, too) on his handling of this crisis, to suggest that the Obama Administration and Democrats were allies in this crisis and its severity is misleading--and that is too heavy hand of that causal correlation in this post.  Krugman, Nouribini, Baker, DeLong, Galbraith Jr. did not see this coming. They saw the housing bubble, definitely--though the magnitude of how under-capitalized and saddled with toxic assets these institutions were, was beyond anyone's prognastications. Different people saw the damm about bust, but they were excluded or removed from the public debate.  After September 11th, many worried about the different solutions pushed by Paulson, Bernanke with their insider friends on Wall St.; but no one knew how complex the problem was at the time.
Now I think it is less complex, and Nationalization should come sooner than later.


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Bottom Line (4.00 / 1)
Again, I don't understand how you don't put any historical context into this post pertaining to how FIRE became the powererful industry it is, and its hegemonic power.

I'm not sure what your argument is, except that I should have written a different post.

But I didn't.

I'm not saying I disagree with everything you're saying.

I am saying that I don't see the sense in responding to a scattershot of objections and interjections that go off into a dozen different tangents.

I'm making a fairly straightforward argument about the need to curb an out of control power here.  I don't pretend that it's the only problem we face.  Far from it. And I have no objection to others making arguments about other things that need doing.  But you seem to be arguing the opposite--that because there are all these other problems out there, we should do less, not more.

And that's an argument I just can't buy.  Especially given that you're not even making it directly, but rather implicitly.


"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Well, You Cleaned Up My Incoherent Thoughts Nicely (0.00 / 0)
       I apologize for the different tangents.  I just read my posts--and the lack of cogency in my arguements is reckless. Your first statement hit the nail on the head:  "I'm not sure what your aguement is, except that I should have written a different post."  Maybe lol

      Anyway, I just read that profile about Rahm Emunal in the New Yorker.  And, he is so aggravated about Krugman's needling (to my pleasure), and about what is politcally possible.  And, it had me thinking, siding with some of Emunal's points--even as I protested.  

       I just don't think that our leaders understand where the people are at the moment:  the rage at the financial sector--with its gross negligence and fraudelent past and current practices--is so ripe for major reforms, investigations, and receivership where necessary.  The Democrats want to make a stand, this where and when to do it.

    Do you agree with Black's reasons for not doing it?

               


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Good! (4.00 / 3)
I'm glad we seem to be understanding each other better.  Just so you know, I had originally intended to provide some more context--though not the sort you seem to be looking for, it might have provided a better entry point for your initial comments.  The problem was, it simply would have taken too long to do it to my satisfaction.  Sometimes, some things are just too big for a diary.  They need to be a book, maybe.

I agree 100% that the Dem leadership totally doesn't get where the people are at right now.  Their heads are still stuck back in the 90s, I'm afraid.  They just want to tweak it a little to the left this time, and they think everything will be hunky-dory.

They really don't get the whole Great Depression/New Deal thing.  They don't get that this is the sort of massive catastrophe you get when you take away all the things that were put in place to make sure that never happened again.

Do you agree with Black's reasons for not doing it?

Not sure what you mean by this.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Your comment on grassroots influence on elections (0.00 / 0)
"Let's not forget, we still cannot win a Presidential Election via the netroots and grassroots movements yet, if ever."

If we created a third party, that could change.  This third party would probably have to consist of both progressives and libertarians ... these groups of people share a commonality in that they feel that both parties are currently hopelessly corrupted and there needs to be a real change to seize power from the two parties.  There would be some disagreements obviously, but at least it would be a much more honest debate IMO than what we get off of the cynicists sharing power now.

I realize that there is a great cost involved in creating a third party, but it will never be much cheaper than now with so much of the populace looking for representation and beginning to realize that they are not going to get it off of the current system.  There is a very unique opportunity potentially setting up to make this even cheaper.  People in general still have faith in obama but all that it may take is another mishandled scandal ... and there are plenty of ways that could happen particularity within his wall street serving economic team ... and that faith could be lost.  

In the past, the middle ground people in the populace, the independent thinkers who haven't lobotomized themselves in the cause of blindly supporting either of these corrupt parties, voted for the other party once the one disgusted them ... it was kind of like pingpong starting with clinton and then bush and now obama.  The 8 years of time between changes of party control of the government allowed them time to forget why they hated the other party and also gave the opposing party time to craft a message that would entice them into believing that they were the better alternative.

If we have a big scandal within the next year that damages obama and the democrats, there won't be that period of time for people to forgive the other party, neither one of the parties will have any credibility and the economy will probably only be getting worse.  The middle ground will be exasperated and looking for an alternative to the two parties which sets up a potential sweet spot for a third party to come in and change the politics of this country and, more importantly, the government.

It's something to think about becoz do we really think that we can operate and get representation within the corrupted infrastructure of the democrat party?  I don't think so.  And there is a time element involved here as well for these financial fascists that effectively run this government are looting us by the minute.

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I Definitely Second The Sentiment (0.00 / 0)
Though, I do not think it is coming any time soon.
I think one advantage (a perverse advantage) in the Industrial Revolution period, people saw everday with their own eyes daily the inhumane treatment of workers.  Now, this happens oversees.
The other problem now, is the cost of living is so damm high, that certain progressive and populists have difficulty sustaining movements, because people are already so indebted compared to other times.  In the beginning of the 20th century, people had nothing to lose, only to gain.  In the 50's, 60's, and even 70's people were able to live on lesser wages.  
That said, I would love a third party; I wouldn't mind a handful of parties.

That said, I still think, with an outside and inside attack on the Democrat Party via progressive, libertarian, and populist movements it can be an improved, new and better "New Deal" party. . . I hope.



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step one of "making obama do it" ... (4.00 / 2)
... is to raise hell and demand that obama fire geithner and summers.  If we could achieve that, with all the focus there would be on the replacements he would be forced to bring in people to those positions with a different attitude and history with wall street.  Or else, he'd be exposed as the fraud that I believe he is regardless.  

It disgusts me that obama brought these bastards into our government.  one lied on his taxes and now is in charge of the irs.  the other whored himself out to the same interests that the administration claimed that they are trying to reign in.  not to mention that geithner did a terrible job regulating wall street and summers was a deregulatory zealot.

Z  


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Agree With Most of Your Sentiments (4.00 / 1)
I do not think Obama is a fraud, though he showing his inexperience.
While he is still riding high in the polls,  

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I see a lot of cynicism in him ... (0.00 / 0)
.. he says one thing and does another in what IMO is a very calculating manner.  Sure he'll get the headline on no longer using the term "enemy combatants" but then he won't change the government's actual policies regarding them.  He said that he wouldn't back a FISA bill that did not include retroactive immunity, but then he did.  He said that he was for a tax to get back the AIG bonuses ... got his headline for that ... but now apparently he's not for that either.  His administration is now trying to circumvent the meaning of the law that congress passed regarding executive bonuses for bailed out companies so that he can keep wall street happy.  Who the hell does he work for?  Whose side is he on?  And there are many other examples of him saying one thing for public consumption and then doing another thing when the curtain is closed.    

I can understand people not jumping to the conclusion that he is a fraud when he has only been in office for such a short time, but his rhetoric has rarely meets his actions IMO.

Z    


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I Think It's More Complicated (4.00 / 4)
I can understand people not jumping to the conclusion that he is a fraud when he has only been in office for such a short time, but his rhetoric has rarely meets his actions IMO.

I think he's got a lot of unacknowledged ideological baggage, much of which simply consists of swallowing a good deal of the hegemonic fallout of the past 30 years.  He really does believe that Reagan was some sort of great figure, that everyone wants to be rich, that blacks are 90% of the way to full equality, and that there's a pony under every tree.

In short, it's not that he's a fraud.  It's that he buys into a lot of fraudulent ideas.  And because he does so--and does so implicitly, without spelling things out--the result is quite different from what one would normally expect.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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He ran on a platform of change ... (0.00 / 0)
... and I'm not seeing enough of that in the most important issues.  

He seems to be more interested in maintaining the status quo as far as wall street is concerned than effectuating any meaningful change.  But he appears to be very interested in convincing the public otherwise.

He ran on getting us out of Iraq yet he plans on leaving tens of thousands of soldiers there after we "leave".  I don't remember him saying that was his definition of leaving when he ran for office.

As soon as he got into office, he starts barking about decreasing social security benefits ... another thing he conveniently forgot to mention in his campaign.  

Word has gotten to the press that he is now relieved that efca hasn't made it to his desk yet.  That is also something that he ran on and which is very important to the american people ... and the economy ... he purports to represent.

When you perpetuate beliefs that you will act in one way if you get into office and then you do the exact opposite when you get there, I think that's fraudulent behavior.

When you go out there for the cameras and feign ... IMO ... outrage and vow to exhaust all possibilities to get the AIG bonus money back and then you later communicate that you are against a tax that you said b4 that you were for, I think that's fraudulent behavior.  And now it has been revealed that his administration is trying to circumvent existng rules to ALLOW more bonuses that he again preened for the cameras and said he opposed.

Furthermore, he hired the most deceitful, cynical bastard in the democrat party to be his chief of staff so it's hard for me not to consider him cynical as well.

So, I don't know, maybe I am jumping the gun here ... it has only been a little over 2 months that he's been in office.  But IMO, the biggest change he needs to do is within himself to actually effectuate the change that he promised voters.

Z


[ Parent ]
Understanding The Common Factor (4.00 / 2)
I don't disagree that that's how I would see it.  But I'm trying to understand how it is that he sees it, in part because I think I need to understand that in order to be more effective.

My starting point is that I think he accords a degree of legitimacy to movement conservatism and its arguments that is utterly and complete fraudulent, false and unearned.  I think this helps explain, for example the utter gobblydegook that he uttered to "explain" his FISA flip-flop, which was, to me, the clear sign that there was nothing that he wouldn't sell out if the wrong situation arose.  This is only a vague first-approximation starting point, but it's distinctly different than simply saying he's a fraud.

He is someone who actually believes that another round of Clintonian/neoliberal triangulation, if done with deep sincerity will constitute profound change.

In short, he's a clueless child of Ronald Reagan, albeit one who wants to do some things differently.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
we'll get this down to a single word columns yet (0.00 / 0)
I don't follow your reasoning, but maybe you just misstated what you meant:

"My starting point is that I think he accords a degree of legitimacy to movement conservatism and its arguments that is utterly and complete fraudulent, false and unearned.  I think this helps explain, for example the utter gobblydegook that he uttered to "explain" his FISA flip-flop, which was, to me, the clear sign that there was nothing that he wouldn't sell out if the wrong situation arose.  This is only a vague first-approximation starting point, but it's distinctly different than simply saying he's a fraud."

On one hand, you contend that he sincerely believes that the conservative movement has some legitimacy.  Then you use that as an explanation for his faulty ... and I'd say almost incoherent ... reasoning for why he changed his mind on FISA.  Then you concede that he'll sell out on anything if the wrong situation arose.  There seems to be an inconsistency in those statements.  If he sincerely believed aspects of the conservative ideology and that was why his reasoning was so faulty on FISA then he wasn't really selling out, he was just making bad decisions with sincere good intentions.  Maybe though, I'm taking your use of sell-out in a different way than you intended.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to understand exactly what your reasoning is. Regardless, I want to remind you that this is a man who graduated first in his class from Harvard law school.  This is an exceptionally smart person who is very adept at recognizing faulty reasoning to the point that it's practically instinctual to him ... and probably always was.  I have a tough time believing that something can be so clear to me and so many others and somehow he can't put it together.  Especially when he happens to err on the side of entities that are very rich and are very big donors to his campaign and presumably will in '12 if he keeps them happy.

I completely understand the desire to want to believe that he ultimately has good intentions.  He almost undoubtedly used to be a very good man.  He is a very able man ... so was clinton although clinton was never the caliber of person that obama once was IMO ... but I think he's lost his way in this process of furthering his political career.

A black man who becomes president at the age of 47 is a person who also values expediency and compromise.  And it would be pretty naive to believe that he is the same person that he once was when he was a community organizer.  People often change incrementally such that they veer of course without ever getting the feeling that they've left the road.  He had a lot of interactions, had to make a lot of decisions and had plenty of opportunity to gradually lose his way.

But, I could be wrong ... again, it is very early yet ... and I'd like to be wrong on this matter.  Though I'd expect that if he is playing a game with the establishment so that he can eventually gain more power to effectuate big changes, that he'd be seizing opportunites like the AIG bonus situation to actually force changes rather than only giving it lip service while behind the scenes solidifying the current corrupt power structure of this country.  And I would expect that he wouldn't have hired a man as his chief of staff who specializes in the fine art of deceit and is particularly skilled at appearing to make a stand one way while working behind the scenes to make sure that the opposite actually happens.

Z


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I put the post above at the end of the thread too (0.00 / 0)
Z

[ Parent ]
Internal v. External (0.00 / 0)
Obama will sell us out precisely because he doesn't see it as selling out.

And yes, he's very clever.  But a good deal of that cleverness goes to rationalizing what he's doing in terms of assumptions that go back to accepting the legitimacy of movement conservatism.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
He Needs A Quick Intellectual Cleansing (4.00 / 1)
        I cannot agree that believes Reagan vision of America is something he shares. Though the transformational power of Reagan's Presidency is something he seeks.  Ironically, he is following some of Reagan's prescriptions unknowingly.

       With his constant speeches and rhetoric pertaining our competitive nature, our thirst to be on the fore-front on the new gobal economy, his visions of education reform makes us seem, that "we the people", want to be these automatons who rise to the top of all industries in sacrifice o all other values. A social pact anyone? The humanities? It sounds eerie.

      Does he not realize the majority (if the polls are correct) country really would like a Social Market Economy (if reads between the lines of the polling)? While, I think his budget is pretty progressive, I am afraid neo-liberalism creeps into too much of his reforms.  And, as far the war in Afghanistan goes, I can't understand how he purports this is not a "dumb war".  Kerry, now silent, explained how to fight fundamental Islamic factions best in the New York Magazine article by Matt Bai before the 2004 election.  

      If he get the budget through, get ECFA passed, Waxman environmental legislation through eventually, these would be positive steps.  Though, I don't like the details of some his proposals.


[ Parent ]
Read it and weep. (4.00 / 1)
Paul, this may be the best analysis you have done to date.  Kudos to you.  

If nothing else is posted during the week, this report alone provides fodder for almost endless discussion.  The numbers are absolutely staggering and cannot be ignored.  In the context of recent political and economic developments, only staunch loyalists  or naive conformists would not question the hypocrisy of the administration's policies, especially with respect to economic recovery.  In this regard, you are in good company with the likes of Simon Johnson, William Black, Joseph Stiglitz and others.  

 

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - SCOTUS Justice Louis Brandeis


Capricho (4.00 / 1)
Here's a thought: based on these numbers, if one of Wall Street's top-level bonus babies were willing and able to liquidate his ill-gotten gains, and live on a modest couple of hundred thousand a year, he could just about buy a president all by himself.

The moral of this fantasy? The future may prove even more interesting than even the dirtiest DFH can currently imagine. I doubt we can scrounge up enough white horses on the entire continent to accommodate all the wanna-be agents of change who're even now starting to rouge their cheeks in the off-stage dressing rooms. (And no, when it comes down to the final selection, I don't expect Newt Gingrich will turn out to be one of them. He's too shopworn, for one thing, and for another, he's way too stupid to be of much service to anyone with real power.)


A little bit easier to read here (4.00 / 1)
I don't follow your reasoning, but maybe you just misstated what you meant:

"My starting point is that I think he accords a degree of legitimacy to movement conservatism and its arguments that is utterly and complete fraudulent, false and unearned.  I think this helps explain, for example the utter gobblydegook that he uttered to "explain" his FISA flip-flop, which was, to me, the clear sign that there was nothing that he wouldn't sell out if the wrong situation arose.  This is only a vague first-approximation starting point, but it's distinctly different than simply saying he's a fraud."

On one hand, you contend that he sincerely believes that the conservative movement has some legitimacy.  Then you use that as an explanation for his faulty ... and I'd say almost incoherent ... reasoning for why he changed his mind on FISA.  Then you concede that he'll sell out on anything if the wrong situation arose.  There seems to be an inconsistency in those statements.  If he sincerely believed aspects of the conservative ideology and that was why his reasoning was so faulty on FISA then he wasn't really selling out, he was just making bad decisions with sincere good intentions.  Maybe though, I'm taking your use of sell-out in a different way than you intended.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to understand exactly what your reasoning is. Regardless, I want to remind you that this is a man who graduated first in his class from Harvard law school.  This is an exceptionally smart person who is very adept at recognizing faulty reasoning to the point that it's practically instinctual to him ... and probably always was.  I have a tough time believing that something can be so clear to me and so many others and somehow he can't put it together.  Especially when he happens to err on the side of entities that are very rich and are very big donors to his campaign and presumably will in '12 if he keeps them happy.

I completely understand the desire to want to believe that he ultimately has good intentions.  He almost undoubtedly used to be a very good man.  He is a very able man ... so was clinton although clinton was never the caliber of person that obama once was IMO ... but I think he's lost his way in this process of furthering his political career.

A black man who becomes president at the age of 47 is a person who also values expediency and compromise.  And it would be pretty naive to believe that he is the same person that he once was when he was a community organizer.  People often change incrementally such that they veer of course without ever getting the feeling that they've left the road.  He had a lot of interactions, had to make a lot of decisions and had plenty of opportunity to gradually lose his way.

But, I could be wrong ... again, it is very early yet ... and I'd like to be wrong on this matter.  Though I'd expect that if he is playing a game with the establishment so that he can eventually gain more power to effectuate big changes, that he'd be seizing opportunites like the AIG bonus situation to actually force changes rather than only giving it lip service while behind the scenes solidifying the current corrupt power structure of this country.  And I would expect that he wouldn't have hired a man as his chief of staff who specializes in the fine art of deceit and is particularly skilled at appearing to make a stand one way while working behind the scenes to make sure that the opposite actually happens.

Z


the one data point I'd add ... (0.00 / 0)
... contributions from the UAW political action committee, and any other auto-related labor PACs you can think of.

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