The Case for Trust and Support

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 13:53


Yesterday, I outlined six reasons for progressive activists to approaching the Obama administration mainly with an attitude of "distrust and pressure," aka "make him do it." Today, I am happy to present the counter-argument to that post, "The Case for Trust and Support," aka "give him a chance."

To my surprise, I think the trust and support argument is actually very strong. It focuses on five main reasons:

  1. President Obama's progressive background
  2. President Obama's voting record in the Senate
  3. Democratic trifectas are rare
  4. A major shift toward the public sector has occurred in just the first few weeks of President Obama's administration.
  5. The Senate is the real problem anyway.
In writing the argument, I found it very persuasive. I think you might, too. Of course, given that our checks and balances system of government was founded on distrust of power, that might remain the best, default attitude for citizens to take.

You can read it in its entirety in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: The Case for Trust and Support
Five good reasons to trust and support President Obama more than distrusting and pressuring him:

  1. Because of his background: There are some very progressive aspects to President Obama's background. Two that always stick out in my mind are that he spent time after college as a community organizer and found religion through a church that preached liberation theology. Experiences such as these can only come from a person who is open to left-wing ideas. Obama simply must view progressivism as something to take seriously, rather than as the caricatured fashion it is often portrayed in our national political discourse. There have been times in his life where he has sided with some very, very left-wing ideas.

    Further, while President Obama often uses anti-partisan and anti-ideological language that many center-right pundits and Democrats have often used to mean "let's capitulate to Republicans and conservatives on everything," his background as a person of mixed-ethnicity suggests a very different possibility. President Obama has long been required to navigate between apparently dichotomous worlds, and the fact that he was able to become the first African-American President of the United States indicates that he is very good at this navigation. As such, there has always been good reason to believe that his usage of anti-partisan and anti-ideological language comes from a different place than, say, Evan Bayh, and has a very different meaning.

  2. Because he voted reasonably well in the Senate:During the campaign, National Journal was widely mocked for once again, miraculously naming the Democratic Presidential nominee the "most liberal Senator," even though no other vote ranking system outside of the RNC showed a similar result. However, while Obama is not the most liberal Senator, the National Journal rankings do show that he had a relatively strong voting record in the Senate. According to the rigorous DW-nominate scores, Obama was the 11th most liberal Senator in the 109th Congress, and 13th in the 110th. Progressive Punch places Obama's lifetime vote ranking a bit lower, at around 20th, but still above average for the Democratic Senate caucus.

    All three of these extensive, in-depth vote measurements placed the former Senator Obama as more progressive than the average Democratic Senator. While some may justifiably counter that being progressive relative to the Senate doesn't necessarily make someone very progressive, given available data it still seems safe to say that President Obama is in the top quintile of progressivism among federally and statewide elected officials. That is a solid record that cannot be dismissed.

  3. Because these opportunities are rare: Who among us doesn't regret the failure in the 1994 health care reform fight? I'm sure everyone wishes the Clinton administration had emerged victorious on that one. At the time, there were certainly many progressives who did not believe the Clinton plan for health care reform went far enough. Further, there were probably quite a few progressives upset with Clinton over NAFTA, which had passed a few months earlier. Perhaps these frustrations resulted in less than full-support for the Clinton plan, even though the plan might have succeeded with more effective, more coordinated support from the left.

    During the past fifteen years, I have often looked back on that fight with regret. No matter my frustrations with President Clinton, and no matter the inadequacies of the plan, I wish there was another chance to push as hard as possible for less expensive, more widely available health care. After all, these opportunities don't come around very often. Over the past fifty years, Democratic trifectas have been few and far between. After the 1961-1969 period, there has only been 1977-1981, and 1993-1995. In the years immediately following 1994, the enormity of the opportunity that had been lost gradually began to sink in. Progressives were in the wilderness, and there wasn't much left but regret and slender hope.

    Such feelings might be important to remember during the current fights in which the Obama administration is engaging. Given how rare these opportunities for big change actually are, we need to make the most of them while we have them. Back in 1993, it certainly felt like Democrats and liberals were on the ascendancy, but it ended up not working out that way. No matter the strength of the demographic trends for Democrats and progressives, politics does not follow a fixed path, and the same thing could happen this time (not likely, but not impossible). We should fight all of these opportunities as though they are the last ones we will have for another decade or two, because history suggests another decade or two is how long we have to wait for another, similar opportunity.

  4. Because there has been a major public-private shift: We are less than three months into President Obama's first term, and a major, progressive shift in spending can already be identified. As I discussed earlier in the week, from 1976-2007, public spending as a percentage of GDP had consistently remained in the 32%-37% range. However, due to the stimulus package and the proposed budget, public spending as a percentage of GDP will move above 40%, even without the bailouts, for the first time in American history outside of World War Two.

    This is the biggest progressive economic victory in over thirty years. It is a tangible step toward the Canadian and Western European mixed economic model, the first one we have taken in a few decades. And it happened in less than three months. If, in only three months, someone has achieved the biggest progressive victory in thirty years, and the first real step toward an equitable economic model in a similar amount of time, that should probably earn that person a bit of trust and support from the American left.

  5. Because the Senate is the real problem: It is becoming increasingly obvious that the Senate, rather than the Obama administration, is the biggest obstacle to progressive governance right now. If we were dealing with only the House and the Obama administration, there would be a noticeably more progressive government in America. From health care reconciliation, to 100% auction cap and trade, to a larger stimulus package, to bailout reform, to bankruptcy "cramdown" reform, and even to executive compensation, the Senate has moved to the right of both the House and the Obama administration. As such, it is the Senate, and not the Obama administration, against whom we should be directing more of our distrust and pressure.

    Just imagine what we would have accomplished in terms of legislation without the Senate over the past few months. The stimulus would have had a hundred billion more in spending, 100% auctions would be on their way, hundreds of billions for new health care would be on its way, bankruptcy "cramdown" would be law, EFCA would be law, executive compensation limits would be far more severe, and on and on and on. However, if we had the Senate but there was no President, the legislative accomplishments would have been pretty much the same.

    While there have been moments where the Obama administration has been checked by Congress on the business tax or executive compensation, overall the filibuster-based Senate, and Evan Bayh's conservodems, are the real problem.

What did I miss? Also, which argument, "trust and support," or "distrust and pressure," did you find more persuasive? I'd love to hear your comments.

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Trust and pressure (3.50 / 8)
I have faith that Obama will enact progressive policies, but he cannot do it by himself, It is going to require progressive activists to generate the public support for the policies we desire.

That requires work on our part, change in the American system is hard. If we want to make a better system it will take as much work or more than it took to elect Barack Obama.

Organize around the issue that you care about encourage folks that support your issues to write, call and meet with their politicians.

Fighting about if Barack Obama is the President that we thought is unproductive. Save the fights for battles with the entrenched opposition to change.  


I don't get this discussion (4.00 / 6)
I don't "trust" any President or other leader. I don't "support" any President or other leader.

I evaluate what they do (much more than what they say) in areas in which I think I have some competence and then I push either in the same direction, or sadly more often, against their direction.

Isn't that what citizenship is?

Can it happen here?


if only the Czar knew... (4.00 / 13)
i just happened to be looking at the transcript of Bill Moyers' interview of Andrew Bacevich back last August. it's quite on point:
I think the troubling part is, because of this preoccupation with, fascination with, the presidency, the President has become what we have instead of genuine politics. Instead of genuine democracy.

We look to the President, to the next President. You know, we know that the current President's a failure and a disappoint - we look to the next President to fix things. And, of course, as long as we have this expectation that the next President is going to fix things then, of course, that lifts all responsibility from me to fix things.

One of the real problems with the imperial presidency, I think, is that it has hollowed out our politics. And, in many respects, has made our democracy a false one. We're going through the motions of a democratic political system. But the fabric of democracy, I think, really has worn very thin.



not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.

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Hollow politics (4.00 / 3)
You and Jan above get at the fundamental disconnect I've been feeling for years, but never more so than over this last election cycle.  It is probably why I tend to now focus nearly all my energy as a citizen  (save for my reading and occasional comments here and a very few other sites) at the local level...it just feels far more democratic, in the sense of how representative democracy is supposed to work.  It is still possible--not easy mind you, but possible-- to hold folks accountable and achieve tangible results.  

Yet it also is diminished in the sense that our focus--even at the most basic levels such as our school districts and city councils -- today always is pulled towards the imperial city, towards DC and the Presidency.    This is quite disempowering, actually, especially as we experience the utterly devastating local impacts of the financial meltdown.   There is little to celebrate, democratically speaking, when essentially the message from on high to the citizenry below is just grab as much as you can of the stimulus as it seeps down your way; meanwhile, be patient as you watch and wait for the big bank bail-outs to finally pay off...

I'm with Jan, I don't get this discussion.


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Both articles are important and your arguments well laid out. A handfull of fours to you. (4.00 / 3)
Thank you Chris for the clear thinking and writing, as usual. I have two additions to trust, but for brevity I want to say at the top. I trust Obama to be better than I expected, and better than any American could have expected. Your points on why to not trust are compelling and clear.

But. We need to do both. The absolutely necessary push is combined in my mind with a strong trust. It isn't:

Also, which argument, "trust and support," or "distrust and pressure," did you find more persuasive? I'd love to hear your comments.
The question to me is how do we exert the most pressure, the clearest preasure the most effective, population energizing, democracy enhancing, movement forwarding pressure, policy strengthening pressure and maintain the huge positives and trust that Obama continues to have and, because of his character and skill,  continues to increase. I support preasure. Hell I demand it. From the first post I made supporting Obama way back in the stone age when troglodytes roamed the halls of power, I said we would need top organize people in every sector and for every issue, not because he will need pushing, but because organizing to push, enriching democratic involvement, enabling political power is part of what this is about. It isnt about Dad making the wrong decision about the keys and just hating him(I hate him!) forever! OMG!

Its about a population that recognizes, now and forever, they are responsible to us! Not just because thats the only way the system works, or why our parents offered their lives to protect our democracy (as did and do our brothers and our sisters) but because that is the only, the only, way we are going to get the actual policies we need. The policies we need right now.

This brings me to my suggestion for an added number 6) to your list of important reasons to trust the President of ther United States.

6) President Obama has a massive trust embedded deeply in the American public. Despite all their best efforts, every scurulous lie, every pinko, socialist, communist, tax an' spend and muslim, foreigner, revolutionary angry apocalypse ushering lie they throw at him --not only doesnt hurt him, it seems to actually break the once "useful" lie into garbage. The lies, once thrown at Obama, because of the deeply felt trust the public holds for him, becomes near useless to be used again. To waste this, to cast aspersions against his character, is less than useless, it hurts us all. It hurts progeesives

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


To be clear, It is useful to say "wrong policy" (4.00 / 4)
It is however, both untrue and damaging to our efforts  to say that he is evil or has no character.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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your #6 is an excellent point (4.00 / 1)
There's a big difference between what I'll call civic distrust (the institutional skepticism that makes a representative democracy responsible to the people) and personal distrust. The former is essential, and the latter, as you describe well, is extremely counterproductive (for now, at least).

This still puts me on the "distrust and pressure" side of the Bowers line, but with an added emphasis that the "distrust" part is a civic duty and not a personal judgment on Obama's character.


[ Parent ]
Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I think its best, as you say until proven otherwise, to build on Obama's trust in the public's eye as a man doing his level best with his best intentions to do what any America would do if they knew how to do it.  

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
the Clinton health care plan (4.00 / 4)
i don't know. i remember the Clinton plan and thinking how much less it turned out to be compared to the simple ideas that he described in the State of the Union speech (the one where he held up the "health card"). i think if it had passed, what we would have now would still be a pretty shoddy and expensively broken system compared to Canada or Rurope - and we would be locked into it because we've already "fixed" health care.

it would be better than where we are now, yes. but sometimes that's just not enough. if where you need to be is a mile away, and you take the wrong turn and end up in a dead end, yes, you are closer to your goal than you used to be, but your actual journey will now be longer than it was at the beginning, because you have to back up and start over. presuming that you can back up at all, that is.

i think it's true that the Senate is the most broken part of the Federal government, but in many ways, the Obama administration participates in that failure. the Senator in Chief. the way they raise Getting The Deal into a goal in itself is how we end up on dead-end paths, even when the initial impulses are good ones. (the administration is a lot more than one guy, too, that has a lot to do with this.)

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


i think the best way to trust him is to make him enact the progressive aagenda we need (4.00 / 1)


Trifecta rare? (0.00 / 0)
Paul Rosenberg laid out a system of periods of party dominance.  Each era lasted about 32 to 40 years.  Party dominance was routine.  The last era (1968-2008) was unique.  It was the only era in the country's history when split governance (rather than the trifecta) was common.  A quick comparison shows that during the last 40 years, the trifecta occurred for 10 1/2 years; split governance for 29 1/2 years.  In the preceding period (which would be closer to typical), the trifects occurred for 28 years; split governance for 8 years.

Paul believed we have (probably) entered a period of Democratic governance.  If so, we can expect to hold the trifecta between half and three quarters of the time.

(1800-28, Democratic; 1828-60, Democratic; 1860-96, Republican; 1896-1932, Republican; 1932-68, Democratic; 1968-2008, Split; 2008-?, Democratic)


Modern rare. (0.00 / 0)
The country began with most people involved in politics at leats giving lip service to 'nonparty' politics. And the parties of influence where not necesarily a political party as they are described today. The list you give almost makes it seem as if the latest version of the republicans is historically who they were. The Party of Lincoln had nothing to do with this party of un-national corporatism.

Many of the strongest divisions were inside old line parties.
Not between them. I think 'since WW11 is a long enough time to say rare. And uh 1932-1968 trifecta? Eisenhower was a Republican.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Historically (0.00 / 0)
1) The issue is not the party name or any relation to current parties.

2) During Eisenhower's 8 years, Republicans enjoyed the trifecta for one two year period.  Split governance functioned for the other six.  During FDR's 12 years, Democrats held the trifecta for 12 years.  During Truman's 8 years (Ok it's 7 3/4), Democrats held the trifecta for six years,  JFK/LBJ = 8 years of Trifecta.

The key to all this is that between 1931 and 1995, Republicans held the House for just two two year terms.

Lincoln's Republicans may not have had much resemblance to modern Republicans.  McKinley's and Coolidge's would have fit right in.  "The business of America is business."

Pierce and Buchanan don't fit too well for modern day Democrats either.

The split governance and non-partisan or bipartisan cover is not normal.  Realignment along more ideological lines has permitted realignment that is far more partisan.  Broderism is dead.  Long live Democracy (and small d democracy as well).


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I find both arguments compelling... (4.00 / 2)
which is perhaps why I've felt so confused over the last few months.

The reasons you've laid out in this diary are what keep me from believing that Obama is just another neo-liberal in real liberal's clothing.

Yet Obama, through the people he's appointed to his administration and the plans they've formulated since, seems dead set on convincing me that I shouldn't have trusted his words of change, not just from Republicans but split-the-difference Democrats of the past 25 years.

In any case, I agree with other commenters: trust and pressure.


'Trust' is the wrong word (4.00 / 5)
I think a lot of the disagreement here is pretty much verbal disagreement.  I think the main reason people are taking the 'trust him' side is that it has been presented as the only alternative to distrusting him, and I don't think that is rgiht.  And so, I think this debate needs to be reframed.  Given what we normally mean, or what I think we normally mean, by 'trust' its just straightforwardly a bad idea to trust Obama, and anyone who is rational should appreciate that.

So, as an example, I trust my wife.  I trust her to do lots of things.  I trust her not to have sexual relationships with other men or women.  I trust her not to manage our money in way that hurts us, or that helps her but hurts me.  I trust her to take good care of herself, and more things besides.  That I trust her means I am not checking up on her to make sure she is doing what I trust her to do.  I am not preparing for the possibility that she might do things I trust her not to do.  I am completely vulnerable to her with regards to these issues.  That is part of what trust is, at least the way we normally use the term.  Perhaps there is some special weaker sense of trust that we use in politics, but if so that is a recipe for confusion that is better avoided.

We should always be vigilant and always be ready for Obama to go DLC on us.  We should never discount evidence that he has done so just because he is Obama (in the way that I would discount lots of stuff that I would normally take provide some evidence that two people are sexual partners if one of them was my wife and the other one not me.).  And I take it that this just amounts to not trusting him.  Not trusting him to be progressive is not the same thing as thinking he isn't progressive.  You could think that the preponderance of evidence suggests he is progressive, but still be worried that that might change, and prepared for that possibility.

What you have provided are reasons to think that Obama is progressive.  I think the case is mixed, and I tend to side with those who think he isn't a progressive.  But I don't think you, or anyone else when they are being careful, actually thinks we should trust him.  Most of the people who have been arguing that we should trust him actually seem to be arguing for the much less robust and much more reasonable claim that he is probably a genuine progressive.  For all I know he might be.  Anyone who thinks they know for certain that he isn't a genuine progressive are making the same intellectual error of those who actually think we should trust him (I think these people are few and far between, and as I said I think most of the pro-Obama people on OpenLeft are not making that mistake).

Maybe I have an atypical conception of trust.  But imagine if you were to tell your spouse you think it is more likely than not that he/she isn't lying to you.  I doubt your spouse would treat that as you trusting them.  And even those who support Obama, if they are reasonable people (and again I am assuming most of the people reading this are), don't actually believe anything more than that 'Obama is probably going to do the right thing.'  And even those of us who disagree should admit that the evidence available to the public at large leaves it underdetermined who is correct about his actual political beliefs.


I think you hit it (4.00 / 2)
I appreciate your ability to provide an even view of both arguments - you and Mike have done a good job of providing both carrots and sticks to the Obama admin, and it gives you a lot more credibility to post these sorts of things.

After reading both posts, I'm of a mind that this is the better view to take - in particular, because of point 3. We don't have a lot of time before the pendulum shifts back to the right, as it always does, so let's make the most of it by supporting the President rather than trashing him.

That's my opinion anyway - appreciate your taking the time to lay out these arguments.  


means, motive and opportunity (4.00 / 8)
A politician is like a criminal in a murder mystery (maybe in a number of ways).

He needs means, motive and opportunity.

Yes, Obama has means and motive - at least those of us who trust and support him think has has the motive. But he needs progressive pressure to provide him the opportunity.

It was the opportunity of the great depression, and the pressure from populists like Huey Long, Father Coughlin and Francis Townshend, that made FDR a great President. That pressure made him feel vulnerable to the Republicans in his upcoming re-election in 1936, so he outflanked his populist opposition with social security.

A similar argument can be made with Lincoln, the Radical Republicans and emancipation. And LBJ and civil rights and the SCLC, etc.

"Make me do it" is the right approach. It is not distrustful or disrespectful. It is giving the President the ammunition he needs to fight the conservatives in the Senate.


number 5 (4.00 / 2)
The Senate is the real problem anyway.

this is the strongest argument in favor of trusting Obama. More pressure is needed on Republicans and Bayh flunkies.


Definitely #5 (4.00 / 2)
5 matters a great deal regardless of where you come down in this debate.

Also, it's easier to pressure a member of the Senate than the President. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to pressure the president, but its an important corrective to the tendency to focus too much in the Executive Branch.


Who are the best keepers of the people's liberties? The people themselves. The sacred trust can be no where so safe as in the hands most interested in preserving it.
James Madison


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Hello Chris (0.00 / 0)
I've read many of your articles for several years, Chris, and I think you do a terrific job, and normally I agree with many of the things that you say.  However, in this case I disagree vehemently....  

In my opinion, Obama has become George W. Bush's third term...the only differance being the color of skin. I absolutely despise Obama's contempt for the Constitution and the rule of the law. and I have NO respect for him whatsoever - nor would I ever trust him in any way.  I'm surprised that you would even suggest such a thing....well maybe not surprised - disappointed is more accurate.


I Don't Regard These As Arguments For Trust (4.00 / 11)
I do see them as reasons not to despair, and to not assume a position of fundamental opposition, as some have suggested every time I've sharpened my criticism beyond a certain point.

It's worth pointing out that unfortunately a progressive track record often gets abandoned in stages as people rise in the political world, which speaks to the first two reasons cited.  Compared to most, one could even argue that Obama's done better holding onto to his positions, in part because he's risen so fast.  OTOH, John Kerry kept a lot more progressive fire in his belly for a lot longer before he started wimping out.  So, I draw no hard and fast conclusions here, merely point to the broader phenomena.

There are multiple reasons for this, but one of them certainly is the largely unanswered rightwing focus on hegemonic warfare, making their ideas, their values, their narratives, and their agenda the "default" position for the political class.  While Obama is willing to challenge this, he picks his spots in doing so, and that's probably not going to change unless we do the heavy lifting to change it, by amping up our own engagement in hegemonic warfare.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


The fundamental (4.00 / 3)
problem with the vast majority of your argument is that it hangs on not noting how much of Obama's background and voting pattern can be readily explained by political expediency.

Let's simply assume, as an hypothesis, that, from the day he left Harvard Law School, having enjoyed the heady experience of being elected President of the Law Review, Obama had in mind to pursue a political career, and that his sole goal was to rise as high as he could as fast as he could.

I claim that that assumption pretty neatly explains virtually every action and position he has taken.

Now why might Obama have chosen Chicago, and community organizing, as a way to pursue a political career? I suppose he might have had a number of ways to do so. But, given that he was of mixed race, and that he would be a natural fit for a university town, and perhaps given other connections he may have already made, Chicago, with its diversity, and the university community of Hyde Park, would be a natural place to commence a political career. If he was to pursue candidacy in an urban neighborhood, community organizing would be a natural stepping stone to building up a political constituency.

When he achieved elective office in Hyde Park, he simply would have been obliged from an electoral point of view to be very liberal in his views, lest he lose his constituents' support. And so he did. He happily tolerated the "liberation theology" of Rev Wright, despite its clearly racist message and assumptions, because he knew his constituents were on board with it. It was also in this context, of course, in which he made his now famous speech against the Iraq war. The views he expressed in that speech were perfectly consistent not only with what his current constituents wanted, but also with his planned run for the US Senate, in which the most immediate obstacle was to find a way of differentiating himself from other Democratic contenders. (Nor did that speech seem to represent any kind of obstacle to his winning the general, given that his fellow Democratic Senator, Durbin, also voted against the AUMF, as well as the great majority of the Illinois Congressional delegation).

And then Obama arrives in the US Senate. Suddenly, his criticism of the Iraq war and opposition to Bush gets reined in -- as long as the war remains popular. When it becomes unpopular, his former criticism goes front and center in his own rhetoric. In general, his voting in the Senate seems exactly tuned to what his constituents in Illinois might want and expect, while also being as consistent as possible with him running for President.

While running for the Democratic nomination for President, Obama makes strong promises about withdrawing quickly from Iraq, and voting against the FISA bill, opposing Bush's state secrets policies, taking public financing for his Presidential run, standing up to corporate interests, and a number of other progressive issues. (And when his association with Rev Wright now becomes an issue, and is obviously very unpopular with his prospective constituents, he dumps him as if he never had any clue as to what Wright, and "liberation theology" stood for.)

And then he wins the Democratic nomination. He immediately backtracks on FISA and on accepting public financing, among other things. Nothing can explain those flip flops other than naked political ambition.

And then he is elected President. He moves as much to the Center, or even Center-right, as is politically possible. Any number of progressive positions he seemed to hold vanish, including his opposition to Bush's state secrets policy and any credible claim to standing up to corporate interests. Both positions, however, only solidify his own personal power, and his political clout with the establishment forces which are gatekeepers to all true power in this country.

So that's a very different account of Obama, and how he came to express the political views he has expressed. And there is very little indeed in Obama's political record to demonstrate that he ever deviated from the politically expedient. What changes there were in his expressed principles always followed, and could be explained by, political expediency.

And if you believe this account, as I do, then you see Obama as a pretty extreme example of a political opportunist who really has no deep reaction to any set of principles.

And distrust of such a candidate is only where a correct response to him starts.


Captive (4.00 / 4)
Presidents quickly become captives of the permanent government that really runs things. I'm not just talking about the big business that pays for political campaigns and then expects favors in return. I'm talking about those parts of government which don't change when a new administration comes in.

The most important of these is the military. With the biggest part of the discretionary government it is effectively a fourth branch of government (as it is in most other countries explicitly). One has only to look at the howls coming out of pols from both parties over the plans to make some fairly minor adjustments to the overall allocation of funds. This is calling in your chips.

In addition presidents are quickly put in a bubble of slanted information. Who provides the daily risk assessment briefing? The permanent intelligence segment. It is to their benefit to make presidents paranoid so that they can keep up their activities and get the necessary funding. If a president wanted to get independent information where would he find it? The intelligence services don't allow for outside evaluation of their findings. Look at their record: failed to see the fall of the USSR, misread the "threat" from Iraq, failed to see the leftist regime changes in Latin America and the "color" revolutions in Eastern Europe, etc. What has been the result of these continual failures - more money and more layers of bureaucracy.

Expecting that Obama can withstand this type of pressure and that he can do something about it with all the institutional resistance facing him is naive. The only time real change happens is when the structure breaks down completely. That's what happened in the USSR, what happened in the US in the 1930's and has happened in many other countries more recently with the succession of financial panics.

If you want to pressure Obama or congress then you are going to have to figure out what you can use for pressure that will counter that provided by the wealth of the institutions supporting the status quo. I don't see people taking to the streets as they did when the forced Marcos out of power or similar protests in Ukraine and other ex-soviet states.

There are no protesters with pitchforks in this country, Obama's crack notwithstanding. People are sheep and they get what they allow themselves to settle for.

Policies not Politics


I'd separate these concens (4.00 / 5)
Trust vs. distrust is a different issue than support or pressure.  One could distrust the president and still support a positive move. One could trust him and still pressure (the make him do it dynamic.)

Aside from the logical disconnect here, keeping these linked presents another problem.  If someone wants to expert pressure because the circumstances warrant it, the response of "you don't trust him" which is likely to follow is both not necessarily true and not helpful. Likewise, if someone wants to support (again, because the circumstances warrant it), the response of "you're an Obamabot" is off the mark.  If we're not careful in making this distinction, we are encouraging people to discuss each others' internal (and therefore unknowable) emotional states instead of the content of each others' arguments.

I've found these posts helpful - this is just a small misstep, IMHO.

Who are the best keepers of the people's liberties? The people themselves. The sacred trust can be no where so safe as in the hands most interested in preserving it.
James Madison


I don't find the argument about the senate persuasive (4.00 / 5)
If we pressure obmama on something, and he actually feels that pressure, then wavering senators are going to feel pressured on the same thing, probably moreso, since they are, in fact, less powerful and have the potential of being more politically vulnerable.

I therefore find it really hard to argue that we should trust and support Obama, because the real culprit on things is the Senate.  That is a reason to push both of them.


The best argument, however, for support (4.00 / 7)
Is the simple argument that if Obama fails, and if he doesn't get reelected, the blame will be put on him being too progressive.  

The only hope, now, to advance the progressive cause is for Obama to leave office after eight years of success and popularity.  Anything else will be an excuse for the retrenchment of the DLCers.


The most I have ever agreed with you valatan. (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
Everyone has a role to play. (0.00 / 0)
Everyone has a role to play. The key is balancing out criticism. Something I think benefit of the doubt is warranted. Somethings I think loud criticism is warranted. There is also something to be said for how the criticism is handled. For instance, I love people that criticize obama for protecting Bush's administration. That's a hill to die on. I will never question moral outrages (as long as they aren't petty... AIG? petty media driven bullshit. toture, not so petty.)

But going batshit over wonky policy things? Leave that to the wonks. I mean right now, bailout criticism pretty much completely amounts to assigning bad faith to the Obama administration. Because let's face it, you (i'm speaking in general) don't know shit about the finance industry, don't know shit about the government's powers with regard to what they can already do, don't know shit about the balance sheets of the banks, definitely don't know shit about whatever vague alternatives are being proposed. That's NOT a hill to die on.


Agreed, and grateful in NYC.... (0.00 / 0)
My paranoid style even gives Obama the benefit of the doubt in his apparently outrageous support of BushCheney's unsubstantiated "state secrets privilege" - even though this argument supports the malfeasances, misrepresentations, perversions of law, legal malpractice and outrageous violations of law through kidnapping, torture, murder and genocide on Iraq, much of it already admitted by the Bush-Cheney administration.

I believe that there is a prima facie legal case against Bush, Cheney and the Principals Committee. It's embarassingly obvious. Much of their wrongdoing has already been disclosed in the press. The debate is now apparently an open question on Wall Street and among the Beltway denizens, "the villagers," as they are called. It was well-stated by Eugene Robinson in WaPo yesterday.

It is as simple as the statement of Gen. Antonio Taguba, the army general who led the investigation into the Abu Ghraib scandal. In Congress, he said all that needed to be said: "...there is no longer any doubt that the current [Bush-Cheney] administration committed war crimes. The only question is whether those who ordered torture will be held to account."

Enter Barack Obama on the heels of one of the most shameful and barbaric administrations ever witnessed in our democratic republic. To say that it is historic that America elected an African-American to the Presidency is to consign this achievement to a long notation in a book.

But it is the successful reversal and repudiation of over 400 years of American hypocrisy and outrageous injustice and a shame that has overshadowed every part of our lives. Much injustice continues unabated. There is much work to be done.

To expect that Obama would be decent and careful in his endeavors understates his humble respect for his own symbolic achievement and the special care he must bring to bear on his own personal safety for the orderly preservation of the Office with which he has been entrusted.

What has been achieved so suddenly is also an unspeakable, inexpressible tribute to the kind of nation we have become - how we have evolved. The word pride is insufficient, for many are also struck with a gratitude so profound that it, too, is at once an insufficient expression of their feelings.

So, with a healthy respect for entrenched power, and an opposition that is now extremely vulnerable and feeling cornered by its own outrages, Obama walks carefully. Eric Holder advances the same arguments and uses the same tactics as his predecessor. And each time that these tactics are deployed, they are rejected by the courts. We watch a panoply of theatrics, still unaware that judicial powers are slowly being harnessed, gathering quietly and purposefully.

Public opinion is slowly being shaped to form a prosecution in high-minded editorial and vitriolic condemnation of crimes and criminals who must be called to account.

There are ample claims from the presumed defendants that patriotic motives subsumed all other considerations in their determinations. Rove counters today that Obama makes us less safe. And in the process of these counterclaims and because they are made by a small cadre of the least-respected and most reprehensible crooks the world has recently seen, the inevitable prosecution advances like hot volcanic magma slowly changing the landscape until it will inevitably be unrecognizable again, the soil beneath enriched and fertile. This takes time. And, simply put, I think that he and Geithner and all the rest in the new administration are merely, carefully, playing for time.  

Lifelong NY Democrat, now re-registered as Independent. Paterson must resign!


Wow thats just so damn well written and I want it to be true...LOL (0.00 / 0)
It beggars the imagination, but hell, who knows it might be true. I am crossing my fourth and fifth fingers and taping them in place, we need the long time luck you describe. It wont help but it feels like a lucky thing to do.

But well written.  

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Agreed on breaking of the banks (0.00 / 0)
How's Obama doing on that one?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
Is this sarcasm? You read what I think needs to be done. (0.00 / 0)
In a discussion about expressing motre popular demand, and ask sarcastically whether pressure is needed?

What is that subtlety?

Please, elaborate.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
To me, the administration's response to the financial crisis (4.00 / 1)
is the biggest test of whether to trust or not to trust (which is orthogonal to the issue of pressure, since one should always pressure -- i.e., be an informed, active, engaged citizen).

Given, however, that the administration has conducted the bailouts for the banksters with an utter lack of accountability and transparency, it's hard for me to believe we're having a discussion about trust in the first place.  Perhaps my frustration boiled over.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
And on breaking up the banks. (4.00 / 1)
Do you really think this is something Obama was elected on? The anger is directed not at Obama for not breaking up the banks, but at the amorphose "who is in control here letting this group of people (not very specific people) get bonuses out of our tax money. How to handle that ugly unfairness, being rewarded for wrecking the economy is not clear. I would suggest that the pubic would be mollified if seven people were arrested and put in jail.

Whats Obama's position on this? I dont know. We havent seen yet. I think his position is first and foremost: save the economy period. Save the millions of jobs, prevent a global crisis greater than the great depression, then reform the lending system, THEN find the guilty then discuss a whole different system with the American public.

Our job: on the banks is to create a public demand for resolution that moves the country forward to a more responsive, transparent and accountable system. I support the fforst to break up the near monopoly of power they have. I do not think this is yet the clear idea percolating in the publics mind. But I think it could be, and the administration could be convinced to move in that direction.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Obama's Position (0.00 / 0)
Obama speaks in populist generalities which are easy to agree and embrace conceptually, such as his expression of shock on the AIG bonuses and many other issues. But when it was time for action he softened his position, or even reversed it; again, such as the AIG bonuses: When Congress started to work on a bill to tax the bonuses, Obama hinted his reticence by commenting about their action to make sure it would be a bill he would be able to sign; it caused the issue to be dropped, and a watered down version, passing the buck to the bankers' buddies in the Administration (Treasury, et al) that they could stop the bonuses if they considered them excessive (or similar word).

So what is his position? In my 40 years' life, I've seen one constant tell-tell sign that never lies: Actions. Actions are the result of intention; intention defines position. Take the FISA immunity for the Telco's. He vehemently objected to immunity, but went ahead and voted for the bill, saying the bill itself was critical to national security! There have always been many methods of phone or other communication interceptions allowed by law. Delaying the bill, and ultimately succeeding in removing  immunity, which the public opposed, would have shown a different intention.

His position is exposed by his action. There are some issues that cannot be compromised, such as prosecution of criminal behavior especially at leadership levels, can't be compromised, for obvious reasons.  

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[ Parent ]
So your view is that the way to convince... (0.00 / 0)
... the administration to move forward is to rationalize every move they make?

What does it matter what their "position" is? I'm not a mindreader. What matters is what they do. What they've DONE so far as throw four trillion dollars (with obligations up to, IIRC, eleven trillion) at the banks. The FACTS of no transparency and no accountability are why you "don't know" what Obama's position is. In fact, there's no reason whatever to believe that his position is "save the economy, period." Given that not only Obama's mind, but his administration, is opaque, all you can do is guess. His actions, so far, are just as consistent with the view that his position is to "save the banksters, period." That theory would have the additional advantage of explaining why nationalization, a solution that has been shown to work in other countries, is not being applied here. Of course, ruling elites identify the country's interest with their own; and perhaps that's what the Finance Democrat faction that surrounds Obama has done.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
Blub (0.00 / 0)
Oh, come on:

To expect that Obama would be decent and careful in his endeavors understates his humble respect for his own symbolic achievement ...

Good writing? Sure. Also totally over the top.


I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

[ Parent ]
#3 "Because these opportunities are rare" (0.00 / 0)
Why is that a reason to trust?

In fact, it assumes what it sets out to prove, in two ways:

A.) Since if Obama is not trustworthy (FISA, bailouts, executive powers) then the opportunity is far more likely to be seized with pressure than without, making trust less relevant, and

B.) The formulation assumes that opportunity for us is the same as opportunity for Obama. But that's not necessarily so.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


How many of the Democratic US House Members first elected in 2006 or 2008 will be back in 2010. (0.00 / 0)
The 2006 Freshman Democratic US Senators who were rejected in 2008.
Tim Mahoney(FL-16)- lost because of the adultery scandal.
Nancy Boyda(KS-2)- lost because of her refusal to get help from DCCC. faced a stronger GOP opponent in general election in 2008.
Don Cazayoux(LA-6)- faced a Democratic third pary challenger.
Nick Lampson(TX-22)-represent a ruby red Congressional District.

Mike Arcuri(NY-23)faced a closer than expected race.

In 2010
Bright(AL-2)
Griffith(AL-5)
Mitchell(AZ-5)
Grayson(FL-8)
Minnick(ID-1)
Kravotil(MD-1)
Schauer(MI-7)
Peters(MI-9)
Adler(NJ-3)
Murphy(NY-20)
Arcuri(NY-24)
Massa(NY-29)
Driehaus(OH-1)
Kilroy(OH-15)
Dahlkemper(PA-3)
Nye(VA-2)
Perriello(VA-5)

will face a tough re-election campaign or will lose in 2010.  


What You see is What you Get or Ye shall know the Tree by its fruit (0.00 / 0)
Or... Actions are the manifestation of intention and planning...
Trust and Support are relative terms, as you suggest in your first article (The Case for Mistrust). We ought to be using "count on" instead of trust, because trust implies that one believes the trusted person will do the best for all involved. For example, I can count on Obama to keep steering away from past rhetoric (which is better), but not necessarily away from past policies. He will continue to handle the economic recovery in deference to the financial community, who indebted him to them with huge financial campaign contributions. Also, he wavers when challenging the financial community and the super-corporations. He did so with FISA for the Telco's, TARP bonuses, AIG bonuses. Foreign Policy hasn't change much, except he's very respectful of other nations in his words, which alone is an incredibly welcome change. Obama is more willing to negotiate issues, and make concessions on points which he ought not to relent. Such urge to compromise is a weakness, not strength. Other things he has done, which you pointed out in your previous article, "The Case for Distrust," add to the pattern we can count on, of "trust he will follow predominantly the same path he has gone so far."
Undoubtedly Obama is one of the greatest orators of all time, with a persuasiveness that makes the listener cry at the prospects that this guy know the plight of the general public, and will turn the system upside down to help the population. This gives me the greatest ambivalence about the man: He has the power to do it; but he's not going there directly. His priorities are skewed towards deference to power.
My sense of true progressive especially when it comes to basic rights is that there is no room for negotiation or compromise. Hunger shouldn't exist. Wealth, created by labor intellect, is concentrated on a top small group of elite super-wealthy.  Bush's tax breaks to the rich can't wait for repeal. Affordable, universal health care can't make concessions to HMO's and Insurance companies. There is no room for compromise on many of these things. If someone steals your money, you're not about to go into negotiations on getting back half of it.
Now how do we support him? Or what aspects of his activities is there that can use our support? I don't see anything to support. Obama has a path, and will follow his path, and use his political capital and public approval to push stuff through. He hasn't asked up for specific support. He has invited us to contribute ideas and feedback, but he doesn't respond giving the slightest hint that he has heard any of us.
On the other hand, we can't sit idle and wait to see the efficacy of his policies, given that many of them are no different than Bush would have embraced.
The priority on the economy is employment and restoring the productive base. Yet neither TARP nor ARRA deal with these issues directly enough to produce the necessary quick results. Most all the funds from these are funneled through the financial community, and they won't move or cooperate with public wishes, until their corporate balance sheets are healed, which means, highest price for toxic assets, and restoration to the glory before the bubble brought them down. The paths chosen have little or nothing to do with international interest which we must take into consideration. But even if we did, the only thing that can truly return the health to the financial services is a restored real economy; the economy of production of real products; not complex financial paper. Actions we see are the result of intention and planning.
So why didn't the Administration say:
"All companies that have worthwhile project, but no funding to support it, including those who had to close down due to lack of financing, present your plan including how many people you will be able to re-employ had you the resources you needed; and set up a government agency to approve and process direct loans-grants combinations to these companies, and/or direct to employees.
In less than 3 months most companies will be able to rehire not only those they had to let go of, but even more than before."

TARP was given to banks to re-start lending (or return to previous levels), but the money sits in their reserves, or is used to swallow up smaller competitors to heal their balance sheet, reduce services, and fire more people.
So again, how do we support him?
We have to put a progressive popular agenda that can easily be agreed to by some 50 millions people, and based on that support and resulting network, take direct action (letter campaign, phone calls, stay home sick events, marches, publish lists of legislators to be replaced for not supporting that agenda, etc., to twist the hands of our legislator with severe reprisals if we get no cooperation.
We need to go in this direction for broad action on a number of basic issues, such as elections, voting, legislative behavior, and transparency, proportional representation, greater political inclusion of other parties, equal time, etc., because what I've seen in the last 40 years is that for every step forward progressives-popular ideologies advance, it is pushed two steps back, and we're always killing snakes and putting out fires. We need broad victories that can't be easily overturned.  

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Trust (0.00 / 0)
When I say I trust Obama I trust him to be honest.  When I say I support Obama I mean I generally agree with what he does and think that the differences will mostly be small.

But I don't trust him to get it right on the financial front.  

There is a case for that as well.  Warren buffet predicted the problems with CDS and recommended Geitener.  But I still don't because I don't believe that you should ever have pay for performance tied with risk.

Plus it is unreasonable to expect someone to be as good on an issue he is unfamiliar with.  (Like how a band's first cd is best because they have been working on it for 16 years)

It is important to remember that Obama is human and that he is accomplishing a lot.  We cannot expect him to do everything and part of supporting him is correcting him when he is wrong.



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It isnt about liking. (4.00 / 1)
Its about getting things done. With people - where they are. Things get done. Not all the right or good things, but there is momentum, a lack of political dialog for decades and a coalition of people who don't agree on everything. The huge thrust of this administration is in the direction I want to go.

There are big disagreements. On this site among the people I have the most respect for for example, and possibly yourself, there is real anger at Obama's efforts to reach out, being non-partisan and trying to be "middle of the road" to American's. I don't cite this example as anything overarching, just one thing. I think its a great idea, and I think its a part of why his positives are so huge, and not coincidently why the republicans is so low. He has successfully outflanked their message. Many worry, and several actions support that worry, that this non-partisan stance is detrimental to real progressive policy.

Chris Bowers, like a lot progressives, is thinking and discussing which way is best to view this situation, how best to see Obama clearly and what progressives should do to be most effective for the policies and strategies we generaly agree must be prioprities.

It iosnt about whether we like the President, or disappointed by his priorities. It is developing clear sight, clear actions and co-ordinated actions to bring pressure on the government, while at the same developing an engaged and demanding population.

Pressure, and how we form it, is the subject of the discussion. Policy is the goal.

I could care less about being right first to realize (as in I could have told you that last summer grrr !!), I could care less about whether Obama is progressive or socialist or capitalist or authoritarian or green or a gas guzzler EXCEPT that it leads us to expect and plan for the kinds of pressure we need to express.

I am sure those are your priorities as well. The unglamorous point of our working together and discussing is just to get the thing done.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Policy is the Goal (0.00 / 0)
HouseOfProgress, I support and agree your general approach and attitude. Labels aren't the issue, policy is, and how to apply the pressure is an important discussion.

As one scours through left, liberal, independent, libertarian, progressive groups and ideologies, one finds each has its own priorities. Each has valid comments and agendas for various issues. There are issues I like to group under a different label for now, egalitarian humanism; which preserves and protects individual rights, civil rights, participation, transparency, ability to object effectively... and so forth.  

Egalitarian Humanists have walked hundreds of different paths for decades, always overlooking or unable to tackle some common issues that would further the cause of each of their critical issues.

What I consider underlying issues are the methods of government and rules of government many of which are below legislative level, and fall under the various departments of government. These often contradict the intent of the legislation that gave them birth and power. There are myriad of practices that violate the intents of the Declaration of Independence, and while it's considered "Organic Law" is not itself supported as intent of the people, or used as guide to interpretation or the creation of rules under legislation.

Amongst these problems that fit the underlying agenda are:

Voting rights, and application by States
Complete representation, perhaps proportional, so all voices can be heard
Methods of passage of legislation which impede public feed back with the 11th hour insertions and changes, which violate public will
(An glaring example was Title VII, Compensation, which was inserted after both houses passed their version, the reconciliation "conference" was one Senator and Geithner; the latter inserted the loopholes which allowed AIG to do what they did--There are other loopholes, which will surface-unless they're not discovered by media or other observers.)
Transparency
Participation
Public plebiscite to overturn government misdirection
Corrosion of laws which were pushed by popular pressure (These will be weakened by inscrutable congressional and State action when they pass laws which weaken voting rights, or other rights already protected by Federal law.)
etc., etc., etc.

With a solid, clear agenda, action networks can be formed easily and kept informed and united action can be directed or suggested. If 20 million people told Congress, "These are the issues we want you to deal with (or else-a series of gradual steps to increase pressure)!" This ground swell has power to do many thing to PRESSURE Congress, the President, and other subordinate agencies.

The trick is to have the basic agenda so easy to agree that it can bring those millions together.  

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[ Parent ]
How about support and pressure? (4.00 / 1)
Cannot 'pressure' simply be a word for 'support in a particular direction'?

Take Krugman. Quite critical of the bank bailouts. But in a supportive way - he tries to make it easy for the administration to take his advice without having to make it look like a 180 degree turn. And when it comes to other issues - such as the budget - he switches to 'support'.

If Obama doesn't do X, then there's a lot of difference between 'Obama betrayed us, now we must fight him over X' and 'We didn't help Obama enough to make X possible, now we must do better to remove the obstacles'.


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