Are We Making Irrelevant Conservatives More Relevant?

by: David Sirota

Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 18:43


This week, I interviewed my buddy Rachel Maddow on KKZN AM760  - the big drive-time progressive talk radio show here in Colorado that I'm guest hosting. You can listen here.

Our discussion dealt with a number of issues, but the one I found most interesting was our talk about progressives inadvertently building up conservatives. I told her my concern was that with the rise of progressive blogs, radio shows and television programs comes the demand from bloggers and hosts for conservatives to push off of, and with Republicans basically locked out of power, that demand can sometimes inflate the relevance of opponents who are - by basic legislative and political metrics - irrelevant.

I told Rachel I worried that, for instance, her criticism of Newt Gingrich - while substantively on point - was building up the relevance of a guy who is absolutely irrelevant, that, in fact, progressives are helping Gingrich more than hurting him by attacking him because he needs the attention. She responded by saying she, too, thinks about this all the time - that with the GOP trying to reform its parties, all kinds of conservatives want to be attacked by progressives so that they can brag about being the Left's biggest enemy. But she also said that with the Republican Party in such disarray, people like Gingrich are in leadership roles by virtue of the vacuum, and therefore they require scrutiny.

I can't argue with that - and I don't think there is one right or wrong answer about when to go after a Republican so as to set back the conservative movement and when going after a Republican would actually help the conservative movement. However, I do think it is important for us all to think about this strategic question in all of our work.

We've got to get out of the habit of trying to posterize every right-wing lunatic that gets three sentences in a New York Times story. We've got to get out of the habit, for instance, of using blogospheric space and resources to berate David Brooks everytime he hands down one of his elitist manifestos. We've got to get out of the habit of expressing public "outrage" of every irrelevant, out-of-office Republican from Mitt Romney to Mike Huckabee everytime they open their trap. We have to stop pretending that Eric Cantor has any power whatsoever in a House where the minority is the least legislatively relevant group of people in Washington, D.C. We have to do this for two clear reasons.

David Sirota :: Are We Making Irrelevant Conservatives More Relevant?
First and foremost, as said above, most of these conservative targets of our ire are absolutely irrelevant - indeed, the only way they remain relevant is because we're attacking them. The way to keep these extremists down is, more often than not, to ignore them.

Second, we have other more important battles to fight. Some readers ask me why I spend so much time trying to pressure, cajole, and criticize the Obama administration and congressional Democrats. The answer is based in empirical math: The Obama administration and congressional Democrats - not Republicans or the right - have the vast majority of power to actually change laws. They control the presidency and have huge majorities in Congress. Sure, Republicans still have that one extra Senate vote to filibuster stuff, but by and large, if we win the battle over progressive policies inside the Democratic Party, we're most of the way there in the battle to see those policies pass into law.

I give Rachel a lot of credit - she's one of the only people on television to understand this latter point. She's one of the only voices on television who doesn't just carry water for Democrats, but actually explicitly goes after what she calls "conservadems." I also give her a lot of credit for acknowledging publicly that she thinks about this strategic question of whether she's helping the Right, more than hurting it.

I hope all of us - including, I might add, me - can think hard about this as we move forward in our work. I hope, for instance, President Obama thinks twice before ever using his platform and his presidency to build up the relevance of the legislatively irrelevant House Republican Caucus again.

Obviously, I understand where the reflex comes from. Progressives and the Democratic Party have been in the minority so long that we've taken on a bunker-ish, War Room personality. That was entirely appropriate in years past. When the GOP ran the show, someone like Eric Cantor was actually important - and someone like David Brooks actually had influence that mattered to people other than his fellow cocktail party chatterers in D.C.

But now we're in the majority - both in the country at large on issues, and in the Congress. With that power comes responsibility - not just to pass legislation, but to not inadvertently use our power to build up the obstruction to that legislation.


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Gingrich (4.00 / 2)

 I wouldn't worry too much about "building up" Newt Gingrich. He's a known quantity to most of the public already, and he has some of the steepest negatives of any national political figure. If the Republicans want to make Newtie their public face, we probably shouldn't discourage them. He's electoral poison outside the Village.

 Now, I agree that we should be careful with newer faces who are less known to the public, lest we give them a brand they don't deserve. But even then, their inherent looniness will catch up with them sooner or later -- as we saw with Sarah Palin.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


The other thing about "building up" is choosing the ones that embarrass the party most. (4.00 / 2)
Get wacky ones on, and get on some sputtering wild fools and don't forget Alan Keyes.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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what if americans come to realize that looniness only after say 5 years (0.00 / 0)
in the white house,like for George W.?

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Amen (4.00 / 1)
It's a waste of time to tune into a news show or read a blog complaining about some FOX news tripe that I would never know about otherwise. Time spent focusing on what our actual government is doing is much more productive. Progressives are facing a hell of a fight to change the status quo. And, fortunately, the right wing no longer represents the status quo. Now we have to fight entrenched interests in the form of people we voted for, sometimes as the lesser of two evils.

Amen (4.00 / 2)
A long-standing complaint about liberals is that people don't know what we stand for.  Now that we have some portion of the national megaphone, it's past time to proclaim what we're about.

I don't mind giving voice to right wingers, if they're reacting/critical to our ideas - the point is to use this criticism to refine or clarify our ideas, and to effectively rebut theirs.  The focus should be on our set of ideas, not in giving a soapbox to any random wingnut.  


a lot of focus is being directed to Glenn Beck these days because (4.00 / 4)
his rhetoric A) is arguably partially responsible for the killing of three police officers in Pittsburgh by a white supremacist, and B) is the most blatantly fascistic rhetoric broadcast today by a major network news agency.  

we focus on Beck's rhetoric because it cannot responsibly be ignored -- it has too wide a distribution, and it foments violence.  



Yes (4.00 / 4)
That's exactly right.  Daylight is the cure for extremism; it flourishes when ignored.

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Your mainstream... (4.00 / 3)
Mainstream Media does the bidding for the Rs so unless you're a close watcher of all things political, the worry should be redirected at the mainstream media.  Don't know about other parts of the country but here in California, the mainstream media disportionately gives more credit to conservative points of view and frames the debate as if Republicans are on equal footing, in terms of their power and ideas, with Democrats. This is even true on cable; and I recently heard this interesting comment that the only reason why Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert can "get away" with their Liberal commentary is because their views are being presented in the context of humor, thus, less threatening to the corporate controlled media but how does that explain Keith Olbermann's and Rachel's show. Well, that's only two people (in a rather competitive media market) that can be taken seriously; and until Obama became POTUS, even Conservatives hated Bush so Keith and Rachael were lucky.  

You should try and get on ABC This Week with George Stephanopoulos, and debate Rev Rick Warren who is this week's scheduled guest. (Enjoyed your radio coverage this past week.)

Whatever real power that is missing currently with Republicans and their ditto heads, it is more than made up in the mainstream media.    


I'd rather see bright new allies, than tired, old enemies (4.00 / 2)
I would appreciate more exposure to those who are working for liberal causes.
If liberal/progressive sources that are gaining steam want to confront claims from people on the right, what's to stop them from giving some face time to deserving liberal/progressives who aren't household names, but are doing much the same thing?

While considering the possible drawbacks of giving negative press to over-inflated right-wing personalities, one might consider flipping the dynamic, to consider how to give under-exposed allies MORE attention.

Lots of this focus on people like Beck or Newt or the "Tea Baggers" is just shooting fish in barrels.  If it's unavoidable, why not find someone new and fresh, who needs the publicity to pull the trigger.  You know, instead of just aiming at discrediting their roster of media elites, aim at building ours.


Lots of unknown progressive groups (4.00 / 4)
I'd love to see a lot more attention paid to progressive groups that are almost completely unknown (since the mainstream media ignores them) and their ideas which are also almost completely unknown (since the mainstream media ignores them). Every day, progressive groups put out great ideas, but we never hear them. Here's a list of 500 national progressive groups that deserve a lot more attention.

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Thank you! (0.00 / 0)
Thank you very much for that link.  


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Power (4.00 / 7)
Entities become irrelevant ONLY when they have no power to affect anything.

You are making a HUGE mistake thinking the Right has lost its power:  A quick glance at the President's agenda, and the many ways it has been stymied and bent and derailed to now gives you an idea of the enormous power and reach of these people.  Do you think that Blanche Lincoln or Bayh have done what they've done in a vacuum?

As Progressives, we have to understand what Conservatives understand and embrace:  That we are in a life-and-death struggle for primacy and dominion forever.  It is an eternal struggle, a fight worth having, a victory we need to win, or we will simply perish.  Our Progressive ideals and DNA give us the imperative to embrace the battle too, to fight courageously and tenaciously, and to not stop until we get to total victory.

I don't just want to beat Conservatives once, I want to beat them down, beat them so they stay beaten, for my lifetime and after.  I teach my kids, my nephews and nieces, and every young person I contact why and how we are different from Conservatives.  And why we are better.

To think that people like Gingrich, Santorum, Hannity, Limbaugh are irrelevant is to forget the influence they had on Election 2000, what they did to John Kerry in '04, what they are doing to Obama today.

They were able to convince 48 million Americans to vote for McCain-Palin.  Think of that, and tell me they are irrelevant.

We have to answer every challenge, every insult, every lie, every distortion, every shove, every bitchslap with conviction.  In the Conservative Darwinist mind, if you don't speak up, if you don't stand up, if you don't shove back, you are weak and feckless, and the weak must die so the strong survive.  

That is why they are such easy prey for the propagandists:  They are scared out of their minds all the time.  

But they are NOT irrelevant.  They have awesome power today, power they have worked for, fought for, paid for, bled for:  The power to move media, to make frames, to change minds, to set narratives, to push message.  They are GREAT at it.

And we ignore that and call it irrelevant at our peril.


Thanks so much for this (0.00 / 0)
...you really get it.  Best thing I've read today.

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Ohmigod... (0.00 / 0)
...I've been saying this for seven years. What do I win?

We were never in the minority. We were violated. We were raped. We were tasered. We were accused of not giving a shit. We were fucked. To them, we were slaves.

If we progressives were in charge and we had to make prisons, what would they be like for our oppressors? How would we decide who our oppressors were? How many oppressors would we find? At the very least, doubtless, we'd have a lot fewer people in prisons. Go Obama! The "dream" is waking you! Change you believed in accomplished! Please send $25 today!


To answer the question: NO (0.00 / 0)
I personally HOPE that Gingrich would truly be the face of the "new" Republican Party (along with Alan Keyes, Rush Limbaugh, et. al.). That would be the best thing to happen the Democratic Party IMHO.

you kill me, Dave (0.00 / 0)
Great ... why knock wingnuts when it takes time away from trashing Obama and Democrats?  I see why you consider attacking the OPPOSITION as a waste of time, given your usual topics.  How the hell do you think mocking these jackasses gives them 'credibility' or whatever?  I pray at night that we can build Newt up enough that he runs for Prez and gets nominated.  Obama will get 62 percent against him ... provided, of course, "liberals" still support him, being a tool of Wall Street and all.

Who is modern Dan Burton and Bob Barr. (0.00 / 0)
Indiana Republican Congressman who chaired the Govt Affairs Committee investigating Bill Clinton on Campaign Fundraising Violations- Made implications that Vince Foster was murdererd.

Our good friend Bob Barr- then a Republican Congressman from Georgia- Lead the fight to impeach President Bill Clinton  


Paranoid much? (0.00 / 0)
You should worry if Obama's prescription to the economy is going to work. If he's a disaster then maybe the Republicans will win.  

Yes! Thank you, finally. (0.00 / 0)
This is a wiser strategy. The repubs have championed failed policy after failed policy and marginalized themselves to a story worthy of page 16 (or page 6 for those of us in the exurbs). Instead, we give them continuous front page coverage above the fold.

Wingnuttia thrives on negativity and obstructionism in the public sphere and, in that sense, when we engage them we become their biggest cheerleaders. We provide the backhanded legitimacy and relevance they're desperate for, and their bloviating antics then feed the rabid world view favored by their foot-soldiers.

Of course we have to keep eyes and ears open and refute the crap when necessary and spotlight the eggregiosities. But constantly giving over prime blog real estate to the opposing party's agenda does not always serve ours. By engaging, we elevate them. I agree that choosing battles is not always an easy call. Balance, grasshopper.

At the (wing)nuts and bolts level, this might mean giving over some column content to the wingnutosphere, while also highlighting related content that more directly represents our own agenda. To whatever extent that's doable.


I really agree with this issue (4.00 / 3)
I'm afraid that the wingnuts nutty extremism has begun to  preoccupy our progressive blogs to such an extent that it has taken us completely off course from the work we need to do to build a progressive voice in this country.
While I understand the avowed reasoning that it is important to document and cover what is being said, and especially the stoking of violence, I am sick of it leading us around by the nose.
This Beck character now dominates our blog discussions.  We are reeling from one day to the next on their outrage.  And what is the point?  He is a marginal character too.
I don't want to read about it any more, unless it is something constructive -- and reeling around in our outrage over their outrage has gotten us way off track.  And they are leading the discussion.
Can we get back to leading our own movement?  A majority of Americans are for single payer health care.  What are we going to do about it?  

And Why Don't We Stop (0.00 / 0)
pretending that the conservative bias on the Sunday talk shows is important.  These programs are probably within a hair of being cancelled; the furor we raise about them just helps them stay in business.

Precisely (0.00 / 0)
If you continually scratch at a wound, it never heals.  

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The reason(s) for persistence (4.00 / 1)
Propping up, covering and advertising the irrelevant as relevant happens in the media because it sells well and pays the bills. The utterances of the irrelevant are short, simple and easily absorbed and readily accepted by the huge swath of the populace that uses these simple (but wrong) explanations (about why life in America is the way it is) to assuage and diminish their guilt for NOT THINKING. It is an esier way to live and leaves the blame and responsibility for our increasing misery on someone else.

I watched my father practice this abdication of thought for decades. He always accepted the policies, procedures and legislations which harmed him economically the most, because "those guys must be smarter than I am. I have to trust them to do the right thing".I am certain he would have loved Cantor, Gingrich and McConnel.

I write a small political commentary blog, and nearly 50%of the responses I get say the same thing:" That went right over my head. You are too deep for me. I'm gonna stick with Fox and CNN. I can understand those guys". Scary.

   


I agree and disagree (0.00 / 0)
Progressives should not focus on the MSM.  Instead of that focusing on original reporting and punditry on the progressive side would be much more useful.

Things like http://www.reddit.com/r/progre... are useful.  Because dailykos scaled to large recommends, but they lost the small and more dynamic segments of diaries.


http://transgendermom.blogspot....


On DKOS (4.00 / 2)
about 1 in 3 FP posts are about Foxnews, Rush or some other right wing news media personality.

I already know these people are jerks.  

What they say is outrageous, but I sometimes wonder if some would have anything to say if they didn't write about the latest Beck outrage.

It both builds up these fringe characters more than they should be built up and is also frankly becoming quite boring.  


finally someone "gets" it. (0.00 / 0)
i've heard one liberal after another quote the latest "palinism", seen them blog about it, then complain "why won't interest in her just die?!?!"  well, possibly because you keep posting every little wink and you betcha.

that's one of the reasons that i read openleft, you focus more on what "we", the left, can/should be doing, than on the right, who i have absolutely no interest in.


Very good point. (0.00 / 0)
There is the adage punch up-- don't punch down.

We help keep them in the news by going after them.

We should focus our work on corporations and corruption. If we're going to go after the RepubiCons why not go after the NRA?  

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