Right-Wing Authoritarianism: Gay Marriage & the Selective Indictment of Democratic Institutions

by: David Sirota

Mon Apr 13, 2009 at 15:00


I appeared on CNN this weekend to discuss a bunch of different topics, including - most interestingly - gay marriage. You can watch the clip here.

I say "most interestingly," because you'll see in the debate that the conservative du jour - a guy named Ben Ferguson - pulls the Right's now-standard tactic of blaming the process for any policy outcome the Right does not like. In this case, Ferguson insists that state legislatures and courts - major branches of our democracy - have no right to pass bills legalizing/issue court rulings legalizing gay marriage in a democracy. According to Ferguson, the only legitimate way to legalize gay marriage is through voter referenda.

This is, of course, idiotic to the point of silly. Courts and legislatures are all, in some way, accountable to voters. In many states, court justices are elected, and even in the ones where they aren't, an elected official appoints them. Even more obvious is the fact that legislatures are elected every two years. The idea that these organs of government have no right to do what they are elected to do - ie. make laws - is preposterous.

I'm not, of course, saying that voter referenda are inherently bad or illegitimate - if I was saying that, I'd be resorting to the same moronishness of Ferguson. Referenda are also a legitimate form of democratic power in a democracy, and I believe that even if they don't go the way I want them to.

The point here is that the Right really exhibits a nasty authoritarian streak that lets them, whenever they see fit, offer up selective interpretations of what is and isn't "legitimate" in a democracy - and conservatives are most willing to do this on divisive issues like gay marriage.

As I told CNN, I really believe anyone gay or straight who says their marriage is threatened by someone else's gay or straight marriage needs to seek marriage counseling. But an even bigger point than that is the fact that anyone who selectively indicts the legitimacy of different legitimate branches of our democracy isn't interested in democracy - they are interested in authoritarianism.

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I caught that segment (4.00 / 1)
or at the least the part discussing ASU's bizarre diss of Obama. I loved the surprised look on your face when that tool Ben said that Obama really hadn't accomplished anything, and that winning the presidency is no big deal because it's just a "popularity contest". He also claimed that Obama "never voted" in the IL state legislature and the US Senate.

That was some classic right wing nutjobbery right there.


Authoritarian actually defines them. It's not a streak. (0.00 / 0)
Lackoff says that it's a losing frame to use the words "right" and "left" in political speech. Authoritarian and progressive are his preferred labels. See you were even stuck having to capitalize the word "Right" and that makes it even worse. Try dropping the labels and notice how much stronger your language becomes.

Jeff Wegerson

The definitive word on RWA (4.00 / 2)
Psychologist Robert Altemeyer studied "right wing authoritarianism". It's a feature, not a bug.

You can read his 40+ years of research summarized in his free and online book at his web site:
http://TheAuthoritarians.com

Such people believe in a hierarchical form of social organization which means they are followers of authority. This also has a high correlation with conservative political views (although what "conservative" means depends upon the era). Among their most notable personality traits is the inability to consider all sides of an issue, ignoring facts which don't fit their worldview and the ability to hold contradictory ideas simultaneously without seeing the problem (cognitive dissonance).

For example, when talking about what makes couples attract one another they could agree with "birds of a feather stick together" while also agreeing with "opposites attract".

The leaders may also be RWA's, but they have the more important characteristics called "social dominance orientation". Wikipedia has a nice summary of the term (and RWA as well).

When you get what Altemeyer calls double highs, you end up with sociopath leaders like Cheney or Rumsfeld.

The other point one can take away from reading Altemeyer's book is that arguing with such people is useless. Since they are impervious to logic and facts you will never get anywhere with them. He estimates that about 20% of the population falls into this group and if you want to get progressive things done you will just have to work around them.

John Dean's book "Conservatives without Conscience" was based upon Altemeyer's work.  

Policies not Politics


clarification from the pastor, himself... (0.00 / 0)
http://www.politico.com/news/s...

"Throughout his pastoral ministry spanning nearly 30 years, Pastor Warren has remained committed to the biblical definition of marriage as between one man and one woman, for life - a position held by most fellow Evangelical pastors. He has further stressed that for 5,000 years, EVERY culture and EVERY religion has maintained this worldview.

"When Pastor Warren told Larry King that he never campaigned for California's Proposition 8, he was referring to not participating in the official two-year organized advocacy effort specific to the ballot initiative in that state, based on his focus and leadership on other compassion issues. Because he's a pastor, not an activist, in response to inquiries from church members, he issued an email and video message to his congregation days before the election confirming where he and Saddleback Church stood on this issue.

"During the King interview, Pastor Warren also referenced a letter of apology that he sent to gay leaders whom he knew personally. However, that mea culpa was not with respect to his statements or position on Proposition 8 nor the biblical worldview on marriage. Rather, he apologized for his comments in an earlier Beliefnet interview expressing his concern about expanding or redefining the definition of marriage beyond a husband-wife relationship, during which he unintentionally and regrettably gave the impression that consensual adult same sex relationships were equivalent to incest or pedophilia."


Marriage between a man and a woman (4.00 / 1)
is only a few hundred years old. Before that, it was a man and a girl, or multiple girls.

Guess it's not just recent history Warren likes to rewrite.

Montani semper liberi


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Ben Ferguson (4.00 / 2)
The modern GOP: fat white dudes, with creepy Howdy-Doody faces and terrible haircuts.

I'm just saying what we're all thinking.


damn right (4.00 / 1)
These Young Republicans all look the same. Either fat, doughy, overstuffed Cabbage Patch Kids, or underfed, socially awkward home schooling types.

[ Parent ]
Where's the Wall of Separation? (4.00 / 2)
As far as gay marriage, I empathize with any citizens who aren't being treated equally.  But we could avoid all this If we got back to basics: it violates the church/state separation that the Constitution's Establishment Clause guarantees us when the state allows clerics to marry (i.e., legally unite) a couple, whether gay OR straight.  Leave this administrative function to the government (city hall) to issue the license, register and authorize the union, without the unnecessary pageantry and superstition (find a cleric to opiate your union afterwards, if you want).    
Thomas Jefferson said, "If the zoo keepers aardvark wants to marry the florist's Venus Fly Trap, it takes no bread from my table" (but he forgot to write it down).

I thought the best part (4.00 / 3)
Was the immigration policy part, actually.

We all knew what the Token Idiot would say about gay marriage, but I didn't think he'd start chuckling when Sirota suggested that humane treatment should be extended to illegals.

Maybe I'm not cynical enough.


CNN host (4.00 / 2)
The most interesting thing to me was the CNN host actually coming out in favor of gay civil marriage (not civil union)and saying that unlike abortion, the religious groups shouldn't be involved in making policy.

That's progress.  The bad hair guy was on his own.


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