Secrecy and Obama's Embrace of Bush-ism

by: David Sirota

Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 15:00


Glenn Greenwald makes a compelling case that even beyond support for bailouts, the Obama administration's most close mirroring of the Bush administration comes on the issue of secrecy and civil liberties - and he says the behavior will separate the knee-jerk Obama partisans from movement progressives:

It is becoming increasingly difficult for honest Obama supporters to dismiss away or even minimize these criticisms and, especially, to malign the motives of critics.  After all, the Obama DOJ's embrace of many (though by no means all) of the most radical and extremist Bush/Cheney positions -- and the contradictions between Obama's campaign claims and his actions as President -- are now so glaring and severe that the harshest denunciations of Obama's actions are coming from those who, during the Bush years, were held up by liberals and by Obama supporters as the most trustworthy and praiseworthy authorities on these matters.

Now, sure, Obama may use the powers he's protecting more benevolently than Bush, but Greenwald says that's not the point:

Simply put, there is no excuse, justification or mitigation for advocating blatantly unconstitutional and tyrannical powers or claiming that secrecy shields the President from the rule of law.  Nor is the faith-based belief that Obama is a Good Person who therefore deserves trust even remotely rational or relevant.

I (obviously) agree with Glenn on this 100%. If we're going to be part of a credible movement, we've got to have a credible and honest discussion about what any administration - Republican or Democrat - is doing. And in the case of these issues of secrecy and civil liberties, the initial moves are not positive.    

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Wouldn't progressives actually have to have a movement to be called movement progressives?

Might be a fair point (4.00 / 4)
The growth of the movement has been stunted because so many "progressive" individuals and groups have allowed themselves to be eaten by Obama.



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Not that big, not that progressive (0.00 / 0)
To a large number of people, "we won".  Now they go on with their lives.  There isn't anything wrong with that, per se.  Public reaction should be proportional to the need.  Regardless of other criticisms, the need now is clearly less than a year ago.

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I don't understand your comment (0.00 / 0)


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I meant the movement is not very big (4.00 / 1)
And those who support the "progressive movement" aren't as progressive as, say, people on this list.

I think the vast majority of those individuals and groups "eaten by Obama" would have acted in much the same way with any Democrat in office.  Sure, Obama is particularly good at attracting admirers, but the pattern would have been the same for anyone.

Both Kos and Huffington are former Republicans.  Censor and "Move On" still thought Clinton should be censored.  The left isn't as far left as we may think.


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Well, okay (4.00 / 3)
but just to use your examples, Huffington's response to Obama's taking office has been vastly different from Kos's. Huffington has been all over the bailout stuff while Kos (and all the other Kos frontpagers) have ignored the issue.

You need not be far left to oppose certain of Obama's policies. All you need is a willingness to alienate the White House and its supporters.


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Yup (4.00 / 2)
And tomorrow Obama faces maybe his biggest decision yet on this front, with his decision whether or not to release some of the most damning torture memos.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

And as Greenwald and others have pointed out, this isn't a side issue. Transparency is fundamental.

But I disagree with those who claim this'll become a political problem for Obama. Establishment pols can and do crap on civil liberties with impunity. That's not to say we shouldn't put up a stink--it's outrageous.



Flying Saucers in Area 51 (4.00 / 2)
Every president goes into office assuming he'll be more transparent.  Then he learns the truth.

While I'm obviously joking about Area 51, I suspect presidents do find out stuff that allows them to justify this kind of secrecy to themselves.  Corruption always seems justifiable.


But but but I thought (0.00 / 0)
Obama was different. Just kidding.

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Less corrupt (0.00 / 0)
I actually think he is different.  He has been in Washington for less time than most and I believe is less prone to these  rationalizations than most who proceeded him.  But the difference is incremental, not radical.

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I'm sure that (4.00 / 1)
Presidents, upon ascension to office, to learn some surprising and rather scary things.

But it was not until Bush that these blanket invocations of state secrets, and demands for surveillance on our own citizens took place. They were not tolerated under Clinton, nor, I gather, under either George H W Bush or Reagan.

What I find literally unbelievable is that the government knows something terribly different, and more threatening, now from what we knew before 9/11. As became quite completely evident, 9/11 itself might easily have been prevented had the evidence already present beforehand been properly followed up on. Now, after 9/11, there are so many more security procedures in place, and our awareness is so much heightened, that it's very hard to see something on a like scale taking place on our own soil anytime soon. Essentially, it would have to be a very large, highly organized undertaking that could be conducted with vastly greater stealth than the 9/11 conspiracy to remain undetected. The probability of that taking place strikes me as being quite low.

Moreover, I should think that if there were an actual new, major revelation in our underlying intelligence that indicated a compelling need for greater secrecy, then the Bush WH would certainly have found a way to allude to it, to justify their ratcheting up on its secrecy. They made no bones about parading all manner of lame "conspiracies" as justifications for that greater secrecy. It's truly difficult to imagine that they would not have found a way to talk about some greater, real threat if they knew of such. Does anyone believe that they would have hesitated on some moral grounds, or grounds of national security, given their terrible record of keeping thing secret that serve their political interests? On the contrary, I'm sure that the only reason the Bush WH didn't start talking about new, definite, and very scary threats is because they knew the intelligence community would, directly or indirectly, contradict them on the point.

So I just don't in a million years buy the idea that Obama now knows something radically different from, and much scarier than, what Presidents before Bush knew. And so I don't see how that excuse for imposing vastly greater secrecy can possibly hold up.



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I agree with all of this (0.00 / 0)
I should be careful with my half-jokes and philosophical musings about the nature of corruption and incrementalism.  The only real difference today (I assume) is Obama started with a different set of rules then Bush did.  A different status quo makes a different set of self-justifications easier.  I don't mean to be an apologist.

The obvious alternative, though, is Obama really is protecting someone or some people.  Given Democratic involvement in the Patriot Act and so on, it certainly seems possible Obama is protecting allies on the Hill.


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Protecting allies on the Hill is not his job. (4.00 / 1)
He swore an oath to the people, not his pals.  I won't accept this kind of behavior as "ok".  Bush or Obama doesn't matter.  

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No he didn't (0.00 / 0)
He swore an oath to uphold the Constitution

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