Is Eric Holder a Gonzalez-like Lackey?

by: tremayne

Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 00:55


Attorney General Eric Holder during his confirmation hearing:

I understand that the attorney general is different from every other cabinet officer. Though I am a part of the president's team, I am not a part of the president's team in the way that any other cabinet officer is. I have a special and unique responsibility. There has to be a distance between me and the president. The president-elect said when he nominated me that he recognized that, that the attorney general was different from other cabinet officers. I think if you look at my record, if you look at my career and the decisions that I have made, I have shown that I have the ability and, frankly, the guts to be independent of people who have put me in positions.

How do we square this statement with the President's announcement that those who waterboarded terrorism suspects, among other torture techniques, would not be prosecuted? By issuing such a statement it appears President Obama is the "legal decider" and he has decided, in explicitly political terms, that "nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

I will not describe what could be gained as others have done an eloquent job but I would like to point out that seeking justice for wrongly injured people is not "retribution" as the President put it.

Holder, for his part, appears to be a good foot soldier for Obama.  He says it wouldn't be fair to prosecute agents if they were following DOJ advice even if that advice, from the Ashcroft-Gonzalez Justice Department, was flawed. I can understand that logic even if I don't like it but Holder goes a step further: he promises to provide free legal counsel to anyone accused and

To the extent permissible under federal law, the government will also indemnify any employee for any monetary judgment or penalty ultimately imposed against him for such conduct and will provide representation in congressional investigations.

Today Rahm Emanuel, acting as spokesman for the legal decider in Chief, says of torture-policy devisers:

he [Obama] believes that they were -- should not be prosecuted either.

Again, shouldn't this be an independent legal decision based on whether or not laws were broken? Here is Holder's mission statement from the DOJ website: 

To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law.........to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

Maybe that last part is the key; since most of the tortured weren't Americans we apparently don't need to worry about "fair and impartial administration of justice."

Inside, more from Holder's confirmation hearing regarding his responsibilities as Attorney General and a report from Newsweek on the chance Holder may still show some independence from the Office of the President.

tremayne :: Is Eric Holder a Gonzalez-like Lackey?

Here are some excerpts from Eric Holder's confirmation hearings relevant to the question of who should be making decisions on prosecutions and what the relevant criteria should be:

SENATOR ARLEN SPECTER: Next to the president of the United States, there is no federal officer more important than the attorney general. The attorney general is different from any other Cabinet officer because Cabinet officers ordinarily carry out the policies of the president. But the attorney general, has an independent duty to the people and to uphold the rule of law.
HOLDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Senator Specter, and members of the Judiciary Committee. I am deeply honored to appear before you today. In five days, just a short distance from his historic room, the next president of the United States will take the oath of office. He will swear to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. I have been asked by him to serve as attorney general, the Cabinet officer who is the guardian of that revered document. I feel the full weight of this responsibility. If confirmed by the Senate, I pledge to you and to my fellow citizens that I will faithfully execute my duties as attorney general of the United States of America. I will do so by adhering to the precepts and principles of the constitution.
ERIC HOLDER: I can also assure you that I will bring to the office the principle that has guided my career. That the Department of Justice, first and foremost, represents the people of the United States not any one president, not any political party, but the people of this great country.

I learned that principle in my first days at the department when I sent corrupt public officials from both parties to jail. It guided my work as U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia when I prosecuted one of the most powerful members of my own party at the very time he held in his hands a top legislative initiative of my own president.

And it guided my service as deputy attorney general when I recommended independent counsel investigations not just of members of the Cabinet but of the very president who appointed me and in whose administration I proudly served.

None of those calls was easy, but I made them because I believe they were the right decisions under the law. If confirmed as attorney general, I pledge to you that the same principle will guide my service and inform every decision that I make.

I have spent most of my career at the Department of Justice and I cherish it as an institution. Its history, its spirit, its people, and its sense of integrity are unmatched within the federal government. If I have the honor of serving as attorney general, I will uphold the trust that you have placed in me.

I will do so by ensuring the department is an instrument of our great Constitution but more than that, the servant of the American people.

SENATOR KOHL:

How can you assure us that you are the right person to restore the independence of the Justice Department, especially in light of the questions raised by your critics that you were not sufficiently independent of the White House in the Clinton administration?

HOLDER: Senator, everything that I owe as a professional I owe to the Department of Justice. It is an institution that I love. I came into the department as a bright young lawyer, a fresh young lawyer out of Columbia University, into the honors program. I had the pleasure of working with the best lawyers, I think, in the world. I learned how to be a lawyer at the Justice Department.

I understand that the attorney general is different from every other cabinet officer. Though I am a part of the president's team, I am not a part of the president's team in the way that any other cabinet officer is. I have a special and unique responsibility.

There has to be a distance between me and the president. The president-elect said when he nominated me that he recognized that, that the attorney general was different from other cabinet officers.

I think if you look at my record, if you look at my career and the decisions that I have made, I have shown that I have the ability and, frankly, the guts to be independent of people who have put me in positions.

President-elect Obama -- President Obama -- is not, I expect, going to ask me to do anything that would compromise what I should be doing as attorney general. But I want to assure you and the American people that I will be an independent attorney general. I will be the people's lawyer.

Finally, Newsweek is reporting there is still a chance some in the Bush Administration will face justice:

Senior Justice Department lawyers and other advisers, who declined to be identified discussing a sensitive subject, say Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. is seriously considering appointing an outside counsel to investigate whether CIA interrogators exceeded legal boundaries—and whether Bush administration officials broke the law by giving the CIA permission to torture in the first place. Even if Holder takes a pass, Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is still pushing for a "truth commission." In a democracy, the wheels of justice grind on—and the president, for good reason under the rule of law, does not have the power to stop them.

One can hope that's true, anyway.


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The short answer would be Yes! (4.00 / 4)
Holder'd be Barack Obama's version of Alberto Gonzalez.  Plain and simple.  

"Superior orders" can't be a defense per se. (4.00 / 3)
Despite international law not being conveniently clear cut regarding cases where illegal acts are being done under superior orders, at least one rule is established precedent: "the mere fact of having acted in obedience to the orders of a superior does not of itself relieve a person who has committed a war crime from responsibility."
http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/si...

So, Obama's decision to not prosecute CIA torturers is wrong. International law demands that these cases go to court, where the accused may defend themselves using the "superior orders" argument. During the Nurenberg trials, this defensive argument was dismissed because of the inhumanity of the crimes. But since then, this strict standard hasn't been applied to "lesser" cases, so there's a good chance that indicted CIA officers will be acquitted.

But, again, "superior orders" is no automatic defense! Every case has to be judged on its own merits. Obama's decision to effectively grant immunity to the perpetrators violates international law. This is yet another stain on the reputation of the United States. Obviously, even after Bush, the US still use a double judicial standard: A very forgiving one for their own citizen, and a more ethically based one for the rest of the world. Still not the same ethics and laws for all! That's a shame, and not change.


In A Healthy Democracy, (4.00 / 2)
there would be no debate here; the law would be the law.  But Obama and Holder would face an all-out, unhinged revolt from the right if they prosecuted these people.  It would ruin Obama's attempt to foster national unity.  

I am hopeful that some way can be found to bring accountability at the Bybee, Gonzalez, level at a minimum.


They face an all-out, unhinged revolt from the right (4.00 / 8)
no matter what they do.

Maybe you missed the teabagger parties?

If Obama is shielding torturers because he's afraid of Republicans, is there anything he will stand up for?

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
Exactly! Surrendering to right wing fanatics ain't no profile in courage. (4.00 / 4)
We don't have to read JFK again to know that the true character of a politician shows when the going gets tough. Citizen expect their president to stand up for justice, and against criminals, especially in a case where there can't be any real argument about right or wrong. If even such a clear cut case is still subject to political considerations, this would raise dire suspicions about Obama's firmness of character. This is an issue where any phony comprmise is unacceptable. The president can ever present himself as the backbone of justice, or as a crook. Obama should decide which way he wants it, and fast.  

[ Parent ]
We seem to be creating new litmus tests allt he time... (0.00 / 0)
Ending torture policy going forward, exposing it, and closing Gitmo... While It certainly isn't "A" work, you think would be enough to earn at least a passing grade....

Instead people are blaming Obama for Bush's policies and saying he's worse than Bush 'cos he ended those policies?  C'mon now!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
"Ending torture"? Well, somewhat... (4.00 / 6)
Don't forget that Obama's orders left some loopholes, most prominently regarding secret rendition! Well, maybe it's only me, but imho an administration that publicly condemns torture, but secretly allows its intelligence agency to bring suspects to other nations that torture, for instance Syria, isn't a totally convincing beacon of integrity. And, as a German citizen, it doesn't bolster my confidence in the US judicial system if a US president uses the (in)famous "superiority orders" argument as an excuse for preventing the prosecution of torturers.

Having said that, I didn't say or write anywhere that Obama is "worse than Bush". Actually, that looks like a strawman argument to me. All I say is that Obama fails to live up to his campaign promises regarding the abolishment of torture.

And if Obama's decision was really driven by a wrongheaded desire to appeal to right wingers, such a cynical move would make me seriously question his integrity. Can't help it.
"Men of integrity, by their very existence, rekindle the belief that as a people we can live above the level of moral squalor. We need that belief; a cynical community is a corrupt community."
John W. Gardner


[ Parent ]
I believe this behavior is called passive-aggressive (4.00 / 2)
i.e. Appearing like good guys while you get a shiv in the back. Promising you will be there to pick me up at 5PM, but not showing up until 6...again and again.  Lucy and the football.   Saying you are closing Gitmo while using Bagram for internment and who knows what and still using "renditions".

   


[ Parent ]
Torture is not a new litmus test. (4.00 / 5)
It's really very basic. Rules that are not enforced are not rules at all.

It's only a matter of time before we find out "oops, torture has continued under Obama," and the Republicans will crucify him for it. And he won't have a leg to stand on.

He seems to think if he cuts them slack they will return the favor but it just doesn't work that way.

Montani semper liberi


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Then the same players show up (4.00 / 3)
...in the next Republican administration.  Think Eliott Abrams, John Poindexter....

[ Parent ]
let them have their unhinged revolt, (4.00 / 1)
and they will lose even more credibility with america

whatever you think people owe you, that is what you owe people

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I can't imagine (0.00 / 0)
"save the torturers" is much of a rallying cry, anywhere outside the Bush 20%. Normal people are repulsed by torture.

Montani semper liberi

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Not so much with the right... (0.00 / 0)
...who hate him anyways, but the middle, which is Obama's real base...

But, there's more to it than that... Obama needs to work with these people, and they all need to be on the same page...

You would think that stopping torture policy, opening up the files for everyone to see, and closing places like Gitmo would get one kudos from the left... Instead, the left is up in arms?

Obama didn't have to do any of these things... He could have brushed all of this under the rug with majority approval... Maybe we can't give him 100% credit, but how about some partial credit?. He really went against everyone in Washington by releasing these memos...

And, who knows, if there really ends up being public courage enough for action, the we can get it... But, even something that's supported by 75% of the population, like relations with Cuba, is still incredibly difficult to implement due to entrenched interests in D.C.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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I give him credit for the stuff he did (0.00 / 0)
but this no-prosecution thing is bad

did someone broke the law? you prosecute them

as I said yesterday, I was wary of undermining Obama, but what he did is wrong


[ Parent ]
On top of not prosecuting... (4.00 / 4)
which I think is completely wrong, and really not even his to decide on, brings me to my other point. This power to torture or not, to decide to prosecute or not, should not even be in the hands of the Executive branch. I am worried that Obama is going to hang on to the power that Cheney added to this branch. Even if he did prosecute (we can only hope!), this MUST be taken out of the hands of the Exec branch; it cannot be an executive order type of thing. It must be outlawed explicitly by Congress to avoid it happening again EVER.

Holder is a lackey... (0.00 / 0)
No question Eric Holder is nothing more than a lackey....the court jester to the "Obama King"...and a total piece of worthless f**king shit! Both Obama and Holder are an absolute disgrace and should not be allowed to get away with this total disregard for the rule of law, as well as the Constitution, that by the way, each took an oath to uphold and protect...

Both are not only supportive of torture, but are conspiring in unison (aid and abetting) to protect the Bush/Cheney WAR CRIMINALS....

Truly dispicable and in my opinion UNFORGIVABLE!  F**k'em both!!  


[ Parent ]
lord_mike has a point. This is my response. (4.00 / 6)
Disclaimer: I've always appreciated lord_mike's comments in defense of President Obama. They're decent, reasonable, and conscious of the difficulties facing the President which we often discount in our zeal to articulate what really must be done in order to end our national nightmare.

Nevertheless, I almost always disagree with him. The reason is simple enough. Briefly stated, you can't win an argument unless you're willing to have one. If President Obama really wants some sort of bipartisan synthesis which isn't simply a papering over of the abominations which afflict all levels of our government, he must provide a genuine antithesis, and run the political risks, however formidable, which that entails. As Paul Rosenberg has said repeatedly here, that is the essence of genuine leadership, and not for the faint-hearted.

If President Obama is unwilling, or unable, to come up with a genuine antithesis to the free-market, imperialist, soul-destroying status quo, then we have no choice but to provide it for him. Given the difficulties of trying to weld a disparate group of dissenters into a coherent political force, that process will necessarily be somewhat anarchic, not a little chaotic, and most definitely impolite. Social movements, like politics in general, are messy. If you don't like that aspect of them, lord_mike, please tell us what alternative you'd propose. Much as I like the idea of giving peace a chance, I think you'll have to come up with something a bit stronger than that to be convincing.


Right! He campaigned on the promise of change. Where is it? (4.00 / 1)
Dem voters certainly are entitled to ask: "I voted for change, but all we got are those simple corrections of course - yet?". Obama can only blame himself for running on a vision of a peaceful revolution, and for being held accountable for the delivery now. He didn't do anything wrong, he sure is a good president so far, but it falls short of the grand picture he painted. The same old "banker buddy" pundits running the economy, the same old rendition tricks by the CIA, the same old "anonymous comment" games by the new officials. And where's that effing health care reform? Yeah, there have been some new initiatives in foreign policy, but is this all that "Change!" was about? It looks like Obama is afraid of fulfilling the promises he made. And while this still is a good performance for a president in a time of crisis, it doesn't live up to the expectations. Damn.

[ Parent ]
Right. Chris Hayes recently said that we need (4.00 / 3)
Obama to be a teammate not a referee. And he's right.  We need a strong champion. Somebody who is understands what being a people's advocate is.  Somebody who has more trial law experience.  Somebody who takes his case to a jury of his peers and doesn't settle out of court.

Right now liberals aka progressives aka center left people like Hayes see Obama as a neutral referee.  But I think even that is wishful thinking.  He looks very comfortable in the cloak of the unitary executive.  He has surrounded himself with Hamiltonians not Jeffersonians.  There are no Tom Paines at his side.  Jefferson called Paine back from Europe to help him move the country to the left after Adams and Hamilton had moved it right.  Who has Obama called to service to make his case? Moyers? Sirota? Jim Hightower? Robert Reich? James Galbraith?

Wish there really had been some rivals in the cabinet.


[ Parent ]
Good points, but isn't Paine actually a hero for libertarians? (0.00 / 0)
After all, libertarian author L. Neill Smith prominently placed his name on one of the books about a libertarian dream world, the so called "Gallatin Universe": "Tom Paine Maru".
I have to admit I don't know much about Paines political stance, though.
:-/

[ Parent ]
Libertarian dream world indeed (4.00 / 1)
Libertarians are as famous as Mormons for baptizing their ancestors into the faith. I once had one tell me -- with a straight face -- that Jefferson was a libertarian. I tend to think of them as the political wing of the Rosicrucian Order, which actually makes more sense than any of their own fantasies about themselves.

[ Parent ]
Reality check? (0.00 / 0)
With Obama's rejection of torture, and with revelation of recent memos, am (uncomortably) suggesting we move on.

The spectacle of a president pressing criminal charges against his predecessor is more than current circumstances, precedent, or political reality could sustain.  Think about it.  Most Americans actually support(ed) "enhanced interrogation of detainees".

Why not let civil suits, international courts, congress or even just history pronounce judgement -  and spare our current leadership for more salient and less pyrric battles.

Too many hard workers in America can no longer earn a living.  Let's avoid distractions - or likely a repugnican trap - repeating something like '94.


But Obama did not reject torture. (4.00 / 4)
That's what your'e missing. Amnesty for torturers, by fiat, without a trial, not to mention a promise to defend them against international charges and pay their damages -- this is not a rejection.

There is a trap here and it is called "moving on."

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
This isn't a diversion, (4.00 / 4)
it's fundamental to our identity as a nation, and a prerequisite to a just society. A country which allows its officials to get away with torturing people is also a society which winks at the unfair distribution of its wealth. The two are related, whether you can see it or not. If you're unwilling to attack the strong, attacking the weak will simply marginalize you. As with so many other truths, Shakespeare said it best:

There is a tide in the affairs of men, Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures.

Ponder that, if you will.


[ Parent ]
Had pondered... (0.00 / 0)
...but most folx DON'T see a connection between Gitmo-like torture and wealth distribution.

Our "surgical" air strikes in Afgh/Iraq embody, in my mind, far more ..."shallows and miseries..."  Makes the torture issue look like a beltway indulgence: Vanity Fair vs. Leon Panetta?

Still my discomfort - and sincerity - with my original post remain.  


[ Parent ]
The key here (4.00 / 1)
is that it's our job to persuade them that there's a connection. How can we do that, if we sweep the whole business under the rug, in the mistaken apprehension that no one will listen to us?

[ Parent ]
Keeping Republican powder dry (4.00 / 2)
Obama is in effect refusing to use a weapon in the presidential arsenal (if you believe he really rejected torture) while keeping said weapon oiled and loaded for his successor to use.

If you are against torture, you must do what it takes to make sure not only that you don't torture, but that your successors don't either. The traditional way to uphold the law is to provide consequences for those who break it.

Not upholding the law not only leaves torture available to future administrations, it damages the system of laws. It teaches us that there are special people to whom the law does not apply.

Of course, leaving torture available to Republicans does give Democrats the option of using it as a campaign issue in future elections...


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