Congress Does Exactly What They Want To Do

by: Natasha Chart

Sat May 02, 2009 at 01:00


Indeed, Adam Green has a point when he says that there wasn't a mass mobilization before the cramdown vote. Adam has years worth of great online mobilizing under his belt, and may have forgotten more about it than I will ever know, I'm not going to argue that point with him.

But for me, each new 'moderate'-led defeat under the glorious Democratic trifecta leaves me freshly wondering how much it's possible to reform such lousy human beings through public pressure. Because when I think of all the lousy people I have known in my life, none of them have changed just because I said I really wanted them to.

Neither are the voters Congress' parents, clergy, teachers, counselors, any of that. They aren't juveniles and we aren't responsible for their character.

They are independent moral agents and when they keep doing bad things that they bleeping well know screw over their constituents, they're responsible for those actions. Not me and you for failing to call their office or send them that email. Not the soulless mortgage banking lobbyist they had lunch with. Not consumer advocates for somehow failing to make a dent the last dozen times they briefed congresscritters and their staff on the Very Dire Straits of ordinary Americans.

It isn't that they have no principles. It's that they have bad ones, and they're doing exactly what they want to do.

Natasha Chart :: Congress Does Exactly What They Want To Do
The only response I had to Hunter's recent masterpiece on why our Congress won't follow the law and prosecute torture was to wish I'd written it.

They genuinely don't see what's wrong with what they're doing.

That goes for the non-citizens that they don't mind bombing and torturing. That goes for the citizens whom they're unbothered to see homeless, sick, penniless, humiliated and crushed with impunity by corporate monopolists and liars.

They just. Don't. Care.

And again, an absence of good moral principle isn't an absence of principle or belief. It isn't truly amorality, lack of ideology, or even what I sometimes suspect them of, nihilism. This seems to be, from what I can tell, the motive principle behind a lot of buy-in to organizing as the answer. (Even, Adam, if that isn't your perspective on the matter.)

It's an avenue of false hope leading many to believe that Congress are blank slates of some kind, waiting for wisdom and instruction from the masses. No. They're grown men and women and they need to own their persistent patterns of behavior.

Letting them off the hook in this way shifts the blame for their bad behavior to us, or leads us to focus overmuch on lobbyists, when the sad truth is that they don't think there's anything wrong with ruining the lives of the weak and poor for the sake of amassing more power and wealth.

Realism

I got into an argument (you are shocked, I know) with some international relations folks over the term "realism."

They insisted that it should be understood to mean a non-ideological position, where the world is taken as it really is. You advance your cause at all costs, screw them before they screw you, always mistrust, always press advantage.

Someone named, I believe, Omar Khoury was quoted to me. He said that, "Realists tend to treat political power as separate from, and predominant over, morality, ideology and other social and economic aspects of life."

Isn't that special. But that's realism.

Anything else, anything besides the pursuit of power above all else and for its own sake is "idealism."

By international relations standards, the default human view, the unsignified signifier, the wellspring of ideas that is itself above and separate from ideology, is a view that can only be described as a blueprint for being a completely irredeemable bastard.

This is what the Serious People of our political elite call being realistic.

The justification is that of course, they would do to you what you're going to do to them. This is the bromide that gives the intolerable the air of the inevitable.

I somehow doubt that this way of thinking has stayed within the confines of the foreign policy contingent.

The Easter Bunny

In my view, non-ideological perspectives are the Easter Bunny. They don't exist.

Neuroscience somewhat backs me up on this.

An ideology is an emotional weighting, a hierarchy, of means and ends. It's a decision tree of sorts, as well as a map of predicted outcomes.

Everyone assigns value to methods and outcomes, and even if that value doesn't fit exactly into a publicly understood belief system, that doesn't mean they haven't gone through an emotional process of determining those values they do have.

Medical imaging of the brain during the decision-making process is fairly conclusive on the predominance of emotion in choosing outcomes, and the scientists who work in this field are on solid ground in saying that ...

... In fact, people who lack emotions because of brain injuries often have difficulty making decisions at all, notes [neuroscientist Antonio Damasio of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.] The brain stores emotional memories of past decisions, and those are what drive people's choices in life, he suggests. "What makes you and me 'rational' is not suppressing our emotions, but tempering them in a positive way," he says.

Who could be more impartial, more logical, than people who are physically incapable of emotion? The idea tempts me to fond memories of hours whiled away watching Mr. Spock on Star Trek. Yet emotionless people in real life can barely make decisions at all.

A study to which Damasio contributed noted the failure to learn to avoid loss in subjects with damaged amygdalas, a region of the brain that's heavily involved in governing emotions, and thus in valuing reward over punishment, gain over loss.

That's the behavior of people who don't make decisions from emotion, from having emotion give rise to ideas about what they should prefer.

It isn't hyper-rational focus, it's paralysis. It isn't seeking after power, it's indifference.

It's that friend you dread going out to eat with because it takes half an hour to wrangle out of them the tiniest hint of what they want to eat, squared.

This is not the behavior profile of members of Congress. I mean, I'm no Bill Frist, but I don't think that Congress is collectively suffering a very specfic type of brain damage. They seem to have a few functional amygdalas between them.

As Obama himself said this last week, they have strong opinions over there in the Senate.

Default

The political realist would have us believe that human nature is basically uncooperative and backstabbing.

This is simply untrue, so I can only regard it as an effort to normalize antisocial deviancy.

Most people, all around the world, spend most of their time cooperating. The proof is that we don't all live like bears, seeking each other out only to mate, raising children for the minimum possible time, and existing in perpetual conflict and antagonism under all other circumstances where we can't avoid each other.

That's how a species of uncooperative animals acts; they're always at war with the entire world, including every other member of their kind.

There are, to date, no bear societies.

You could look at a different animal, like wolves. They can cooperate with between one and 30 other wolves sufficiently to maintain a small society. Chimpanzee societies are a little larger on average, with maybe a few dozen individuals, while even human beings who live as foragers have societies composed of up to 2,200 individuals.

We rank high on the cooperation scales for large mammals. Our largest cities, where millions of individuals live together, would completely fall apart if 'realism' were in fact the normal means of approaching all our dealings with each other. Families and friendships would be impossible to maintain, no one would be able to stand the onslaught. Most people aren't criminals, even when the police aren't watching.

It is in fact extremely hard to make people commit the ultimate of antisocial acts, murder, and the method for doing so usually involves taking young, excitable male humans and destroying in them aspects of the social conditioning imparted by nearly every human family.

(An international relations afficionado reading this is probably screaming, 'You think people are basically good! Idealist! Idealist!', right about now. Erm, sort of, or at least not antisocial. Or we couldn't have societies. F*ing d'oh!)

Environment

I do love reading Malcolm Gladwell, he never fails to impress. He's also made the persuasive case in his book, The Tipping Point, that a very great deal of bad behavior can be attributed to environmental cues.

Backed up by social science case studies, including the very large experiment in 'Broken Windows' theory in New York, Gladwell notes that much petty crime and bad behavior respond positively to cues of cleanliness and well-functioning infrastructure.

Things, I'd note, indicating a high degree of cooperation in the collective enterprise.

People (somewhat smartly) cooperate less when their environment tells them that whatever they do, they aren't going to get anything good out of it.

So I might tend to come down in the 'it's the culture' camp by inclination. It's just that I don't feel such absolutism is warranted.

Among all those cooperative individuals, there are still parasites who use other people's natural tendency to be agreeable and seek each other's approval in order to take unfair advantage. Cruel, manipulative and endlessly greedy, they seek approval they'll never be satisfied by because they know that most approval they do get is based on fictions. Not the best circumstances in life, the most opportunity, fortunate genetics, nothing seems to improve what ails them.

Some people are just jerks. Maybe they'd be more suited to living like bears, though they're probably a little too used to wearing clothes and enjoying entertainment produced by others to take that plunge. I'm not going to generalize their damage out to the whole of society as a realist might, but jerks are a fact of life.

And what else am I supposed to think of people who go to work in the clean comfort of the Capitol buildings, surrounded by polite, well-dressed people, provided with good salaries and fine health care, who then go on to approve of crimes against the social compact that most ordinary people would feel transgressive even to consider participating in?

These are some pampered m*f*ers, and they have so little mercy and decency towards their fellow citizens that I can barely understand how they aren't wracked constantly by shame and guilt. But evidence indicates that they aren't, usually indicating some powerful rationalizing. They know just as much as I do, and probably more, about the harm their actions cause and yet they go ahead because they have a story they tell themselves that makes it okay. Perhaps that we'd all do the same thing if we were in their shoes.

Maybe they should join vampire bat colonies for practice with a more managable population size before experimenting on cooperating with a nation of around 300 million.

Guilt

Still, I'm not Congress' mom or dad. (Thank God!) It's not my own, personal fault when they fail to meet minimum standards of humanity expected of street vendors, retail managers, baristas, accountants, teachers, stay-at-home parents, web developers, farmers, machinists, etc. (Maybe not credit company executives and hedge fund managers.)

They fail the tests of humanity passed every day by the typical soldier or police officer. A person who has, let's not forget, been trained in both cases and with great difficulty to kill other people and yet can remain considerate and conscientious.

And it's not my fault, I didn't make them that way.

I understand the importance and the power of the 'make them do it' dynamic, but that only worked between Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson because Johnson wanted to pass the Civil Rights Act. Johnson was begging King to give him an excuse to act according to his natural inclination.

Yet with the election just passed, Congress already has its 'excuse' to do the right thing on torture, to address the impacts of the economic and foreclosure crisis devastating communities all over the country. They need no excuse to get their fellow citizens the same good health care that they have.

Those things are popular. They're what the public wants, because we, too, would like to enjoy some of the security in our basic needs that members of Congress have in abundance.

The time is ripe for anyone who wants to act in accordance with the public interest to do so, nothing stands in their way.

So it's just sodding infuriating that even under these circumstances, their failures are somehow our responsibility for not sending enough emails or making enough phone calls. I'm having none of it. That isn't my guilt to bear, nor yours, unless you're one of a handful of 'moderate' Senators or Blue Dog representatives.

Responsibility

Madison was surely right that if we were all angels, we'd have no need of a government. It is therefore my responsibility in a democracy to try and ensure that the government sucks less, to pay attention to it.

It's necessary to do my part (which will always be small, and no less necessary thereby) to push towards a better society, to give a damn and encourage others to do the same.

That's the proper work of a citizen and it's important.

Yet work based on an unsound premise will get poor results. I can't help but think that the premises common to much organizing, such as that sufficient volume of response is enough to sway any legislator, that legislators can exist in a moldable state of blank-slated un-principle (a Schroedinger's Rep, if you will), that legislators really want to side with people they've demonstrated nothing but contempt for (via), well, I have little confidence in it.

I understand wanting to rally the troops and fight off despair, convince people to come back and try again another day. We need to have those good ideas prepared at all times for the right opportunity.

But something seems wrong with the current picture and I just don't think that it's the committed citizens who carried our Democratic leadership to office and who have continued to organize following the election. If our elected officials don't know what the people want by now, they just haven't been listening.


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Yes you are exactly right. (4.00 / 2)
They are narcissistic people. They can't multi-task. They are not learners but parrots. And I don't know what we are going to do about it. But identifying the problem and discussing it is a good beginning.

But I do notice this behavior in all walks of life.


and if they aren't going to save the country just to be nice (4.00 / 2)
than the country should start turning on them and doing direct harm to their personal interests.

Responsibility (4.00 / 2)
I like your comment about transferring the blame to us if we can't make them act decently. The truth of it is that most legislators aren't fit to represent us. That's why I always get excited by talk of primary challenges.

I appreciate that you did not cut your post short.


Having to have the populace holler and scream (4.00 / 5)
to get anything done is a game.   It is whack a mole, and we're the moles.  We can't possibly holler and scream about everything all the time, and they know it.  The more we try, the crazier they call us.  Maybe their right.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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Thanks, Natasha, (4.00 / 3)
for this piece.  You made a lot of points here, but I think your critique of the central 'unsound premise' you're identifying is a good one, and the center-left blogosphere needs to stop being naive about reforming their cherished representatives.

I want to highlight one of your initial claims that seems to get buried in the 'science' section of your essay, and I can't tell if by the end you contradict yourself, or if I just didn't follow the turns of your arguments.  You say: "It isn't that they have no principles. It's that they have bad ones..."  and later, "They genuinely don't see what's wrong with what they're doing."

It's not only that there are some really bad, federal officials out there with the moral capacity of Ghengis Khan, but that many of them just don't 'get it.'  They really don't have a critical, sophisticated understanding of what politics, as a human phenomenon, is, or what it is capable of.  They don't know the history or philosophical underpinnings of liberal democracy, and most importantly from a leftist perspective, they definitely have no idea about a Marxian critique of capital (a topic that I wish to god the so-called 'left' in the US would return to).  

There are really, really bad ideas out there.  Listening to Meet the Press or 'This Week' is evidence of that, and watching it makes my jaw drop.  In other words, it's not just that these people are sociopaths, but they are completely unfit and unprepared for the enormous power of their positions.  Some of them are simply folks who went from drilling oil wells or being exterminators one day to being the most powerful humans on the planet the next.  I mean, for chrissakes, many of our elected representatives DON'T ACTUALLY ACCEPT BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION.

So, yes, some of them are soulless bastards (having an 'R' next to their name may make it more likely that this is the case).  But, also, some of them, especially those on the blue team, really have no idea what the fuck this game is all about.


Of course they don't see what's wrong (4.00 / 1)
Very, very few people believe that they're basically bad, or act out of the intention to do bad. The saying about the road to hell being paved with good intentions is a reflection of this, imo.

That's what I was getting at with the segue about justification, a point Sadie Baker really nailed a couple comments down.

The fact is that there are people who don't believe it's bad to enact policies that screw the poor and weak because they believe that if you're wealthy and powerful, you got there because of some particular virtue that sets you above everyone else. Your wealth and power, by this aristocratic mindset, makes you a better person, more virtuous. If wealth makes you virtuous, and is always a well-deserved reward, what does this mean about poverty?

And if a person is of themselves innately virtuous, their actions must also be at least a little more virtuous than average, right? And if it makes you virtuous to be able to get wealth and power, the bad people in this equation are the suckers who are in a position where they have to take what they get. Because if they were really good, worthy people, they'd have taken better care to protect their families by becoming untouchably wealthy.

At that point in the argument, it's just a short hop to deciding that you're doing God's work by scourging the poor to discourage laziness.


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What Freaks Me Out (4.00 / 4)
Is how progressive rhetoric is used to mask the same old neoliberal crap, and people see the crap, and identify it not with neoliberalism, but progressivism.

Obama and the Dems may very well invalidate everything to the left of Rubinsim, permanently.

I can see the GOP making a comeback by painting the Dems as a bunch of whores for the elites, which they are, and morphing anger at the bailout of wealthy gamblers into anger at helping out anyone.

I can very easily see the day when a stagnant, fiscally bust economy inspires the Dems and the GOP collude to defund and shut down Social Security, Medicare, etc. Both parties have already tried to do so.

And I can see the GOP mis-direct the resulting misery, turning it into anger towards China...never a full blown war (too destabilizing), but each country using the other as a punching bag, when it's convenient to the business and political elite.


Imho the GOP isn't the real danger. Dems are their own worst enemy. (4.00 / 3)
The GOP is totally unlikely to successfully attack the Dems with the argument that they have become whores of the elite. They may try that, of course, but as long st the GOP doesn't totally reform itself this line of attack will self destruct because of the hypocrissy. And in the pathetic state they're in right now it will take at least a decade for them to make a turnaround.

No, I see the much graver danger coming from the Dems disenfranchising the progressive wing (or, maybe more fitting, "the Democratic wing of the Democratic party) and eventually losing elections in a swingback simply because a too large part of their constituency staid at home or vote for a third or fourth party. That is the real danger, imho.


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That's basically what I was trying to describe (0.00 / 0)


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I think realism in a nutshell is (4.00 / 7)
"I will do evil now in order to do good  later." But later never comes. And when you spend your whole life doing evil, you are no longer really a good person.

Montani semper liberi

I will eat this donut today and diet tomorrow. (4.00 / 2)
I will only smoke just this one cigarette.  

I think this is being too nice to these people.  

Look at MI.  We supposedly just had to screw around with our primary to make our voices heard on what NAFTA and unfair trade is doing to US manufacturing jobs, autos in particular.  Now, we are in meltdown with a 14% unemployment rate, and the Car Czar wants to know what we need?  Instead of demanding jobs, single payer healthcare and renegotiating trade as Obama promised MI and OH, they are requesting fucking aid...  Easier access to food stamps and more job training for jobs that don't exist today and won't for at least 3 - 5 more years.   5000 jobs for 5 million unemployed people is a laugh.  

U of M economic forecast says national job loss will continue and unemployment will be at 12% through 2012.  Their forecast made me want to jump out a window.  If the country is going to fare this badly, lord have mercy on Mi and Ohio.

The Obama administration and MI Democrats are a complete joke. None of them will stand up for MI workers.  Here is hoping OH has more balls and takes Obama on.  Sherrod Brown is a hell of a lot more populist than Stabenow and Levin.    

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


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Sorry, but I disagree (4.00 / 4)
Natasha:

Look, the mobilization that has been done thus far simply isn't enough to force the kinds of changes we all want.  

what did it take to force the abolition of slavery?  Just a civil war.

What did it take to force employers to pay ordinary employees enough to enter the middle class?  Just a great depression and strong enough fear of communism that the capitalists went along with being saved from themselves.

What did it take for black people to be allowed to vote in every state in the union?  Just folks willing to be killed to fight for it while the whole world was watching.  

And some of these victories have been eroded around the edges over the years.

What did it take for black people in South Africa to be allowed basic human rights?  People like Nelson Mandela to sit in jails for 25 years while the rest of his movement did not give up.

Yeah, politicians suck for the most part.  Yeah, it's hard, harder than many committed people such as yourself may have thought it was going to be.  Nobody's blaming you for that.  They're just describing the road ahead.

If you need a rest from all this, take one.  You'll be back.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


This isn't an argument for taking no action (4.00 / 1)
In every example you mention, politicians were failing so badly to be decent human beings that drastic action needed to be taken. They weren't going to do the right thing because someone just asked them to.

So what I'm really saying is that actions taken based on the premise that they're reasonable people who just need to be asked nicely may in fact be completely ineffectual, because they're just not decent enough human beings for that to work.

Garbage in, garbage out.

You can sometimes get results from work undertaken on a faulty premise, but rarely the ones you want.


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Excellent. (4.00 / 4)
Couple points:

1) Realism on the international front is just like "pragmatism" in domestic politics:  An attempt to delegitimize other points of view by claiming the mantle of some supreme unquestionable premise which makes other ideological points of view seem childish.  When I look at IR, I can see plenty of behaviour between nation states that is not explainable very well under 'realism' - it may be the dominant mode of IR, but it isn't the only game in town.

2) The shitty people in this Congress is an invaluable point to make.  To the extent Obama is like FDR, one major difference is that FDR had a congress which was, if anything, more progressive than him.  The House is arguably more progressive than Obama, but the Senate most definitely is not, and thus its general mood is the LCD for Congress and the House is practically irrelevant.  The Senate may as well be the Congress, and since it only seems to have maybe one or two dozen half-decent human beings, it's pretty fucking shitty.


As eloquent as your argument is, I don't quite agree. (4.00 / 2)
I don't think our politicians have good or bad principles, I think they have no principles.  Or rather, I think they have chosen to bracket any principles they once had, and chosen to do whatever they think it takes to continue being elected, and to continue having enough of their colleagues elected to constitute a majority caucus, because they believe it's better to have themselves in office than anyone from the other team, and it's worth any cost to maintain their own majority and deny the other team the majority, plus remaining in office makes life fun and interesting.  

To preserve themselves and their colleagues, they're willing to sacrifice pretty much anything.  Or at least, any individual, single thing, because no one matter, not even torture, can stack up against all of the other matters that they think their loss would ruin.

So they choose not to act out of principle, and I think they really do act only out of political calculation.  I think that's how Emanuel thinks, and Pelosi, and Daschle.  I think Obama is somewhat better than the average politician at keeping principles at least on the near side of his intellectual horizon (or he is good at talking as if he does), but not by much.  I think all of these people have aspirational principles, things they'd like to do, but they have chosen not to be bound by them and instead to do only the fraction of those things that they can do without putting their majority in any danger at all.

And so we have to speak that language to them to get what we want.  

And so I do agree with AdamGreen that direct political pressure can work, because it changes the calculus that governs their behavior, which is the calculus of reelection and secure majorities.  Appealing to their principles doesn't work; these people chose in their thirties probably to set aside their principles and focus only on "what's pragmatic."  But changing their decision calculus remains possible and potentially effective.


They have principles (4.00 / 6)
It's just that their own self interest is one of their main principles. And I think that comes back to the "end justifies the means" comment that Sadie makes above.

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Calculation towards what end? (4.00 / 2)
If you're acting out of political calculation, what are you trying to get? If it's only more power, you've decided that it's a right and proper thing to accumulate more power, and this, as Mark Wallace notes, is a principle.

But also, a calculation directed towards whom? To gain something in politics, you have to please someone. Who are they trying to please? It isn't us. We're low value to them. Obviously the big corporations are important and valuable to them, they want to please those guys. That's an ideological value judgment about which sectors of society are worth satisfying, which of us are important.

Those are principles.

And direct political pressure of some type might work, but I don't think we're approaching this right yet. I agree with the primary-their-asses approach as direct action, though, because the important thing is to get people into office who are better human beings. As dkmich alluded to so colorfully, we can't watch them all the time, so their instincts need to be good.

There are people in Congress that the mortgage bankers were unable to sway. Who cared more about us than them. We need to get more like that.


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Great post (4.00 / 1)
It's been a rough week for me, watching and wondering why the Senate is such snake pit, worrying about the millions of lives that will be broken this year because of their indifference and inaction. I woke up this morning asking the same questions addressed here, trying to reassure myself.

As you say: "It's not my fault; I didn't make them that way." Helps to start the weekend remembering that. Thank you.


So the only answer is (4.00 / 4)
Make them pay.  Start with teh most egregious offender, and make them lose their prestige and power for what they have done to us.  

Al Wynn and the Lieberman primary probably did more to push congress to the left than the sum of the rest of what the progressive movement has done over the last eight years.  

We need to primary the bastards.  Maybe start small and just pick one or two, but it needs to be made clear that this behaviour is intolerable.  Specter seems to be a good choice.  I'm sure we could think of a few others.  But the worst of Congress needs to pay.  


"Primary the bastards" - YES! (0.00 / 0)
Except I don't think the goal should be to do it with just only one or two at a time.

I had been thinking along the lines of dumping the worst 5-10% every election cycle. In 6 years, if 10% of the worst Democratic Senators get dumped, that's only 2 every 2 years.

Somehow, I think Democrats can do much better than that. E.g., 12 Democratic Senators voted against cramdown. If Democrat rank-and-file put their minds to it and cooperate, couldn't they dump all 12 over the next 6 years? I am looking to build infrastructure to make that not only doable, but inevitable....

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Congress Reflects the Job Requirements (4.00 / 4)
To get elected to the US Congress right now, one must raise gobs of money, probably from lobbyists and rich people by promising to do their bidding. One must also say a lot of things that constituents want to hear even if it makes no sense, is racist/sexist/jingoist, or is a lie. And one must say it clearly, succinctly (soundbites), and with conviction. It takes a rare person able and willing to do this.

Most principled people are repelled by the requirements. Typically, only those most driven by their egos are willing to act this way.

So naturally we end up with a Congress filled with egoists, sex maniacs, and slick sociopaths. Is this surprising?

If we want another kind of person to end up in Washington, then we'll have to change the rules: Clean Money elections to minimize the impact of wealth, strict gift rules to minimize the sway of corporate lobbyists, a news media that values honesty and wisdom rather than celebrity and appealing propaganda, and an informed and demanding electorate that expects good governance instead of spectacle.


Idealism (0.00 / 0)
While realism is the most prevalent view within international relations, it is inaccurate to ascribe to it some presumed air of superiority.  Alexander Wendt, perhaps the most prominent constructivist theorist, explains that IR theory can be divided into 2 axes: materialist-idealist and individualist-holist.  Classical realism (think Morgenthau) is individualist-materialist, while neo-realism (think Waltz) is more materialist-holist.  

The deployment of the term idealist in an international relations is far different than its deployment in other contexts.  Idealist is not necessarily more optimistic about cooperation between nations, and in no sense purports to be a view about how the world should be, but rather "a scientific view of how it is."  Moreover, idealism is not necessarily optimistic about the possibility for social change.  Instead, idealism argues that material forces are secondary to the constitution of ideas.  

For the most part, international relations does not seek to prescribe foreign policy solutions, but rather to accurately describe state behavior.  While I certainly agree with many of your sentiments, the jabs at IR are perhaps best directed elsewhere.


Superiority (4.00 / 2)
As I understood it, the war in Iraq was construed as an idealistic project, as would many other conservative or neoliberal courses of action. It wasn't the idealism v realism that was the cooperation split, not the point.

It does seem extremely unlikely that a person can brush aside a lifetime of definition for the word, constantly hear phrases like 'be realistic,' and have no sense of a value hierarchy there. Or conversely, to propose something quite horrible that's ostensibly 'idealistic' and delude yourself into believing that you've tried to do something better than you'd have done by letting the realities of nature take their course.

It's ontologically pernicious labeling.


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Realism (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you about Obama's use of the words "realistic" and "pragmatic" -- it's B.S.

My take is that is that he uses that language as a way of repeating, in a less combative way, that nothing the previous administration did gave a good result. Every action they took seemed to backfire, even by their own criteria.


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with any luck (0.00 / 0)
Harry Reid will be defeated in 2010 and we will have a new majority leader. It is important that it be someone like Boxer or Harken, or someone who wants to do something decent.

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