Obama's Conservative Impersonations of Good-Faith Consensus-Building

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat May 02, 2009 at 17:15


In my earlier post, "No, Obama, Conservatives Are NOT Just Liberals With A Different Set Of Ideas", I concluded by arguing that there are two levels of confusion to Obama's quest for cross-ideological progress.  The first I described thus:

(1) Obama expects the general possibility of good-faith rational negotiations, producing consensus between liberals and conservatives "of good will."   He mistakes the reality of specific cooperative achievements-of the sort that even flaming liberals like Ted Kennedy and Paul Wellstone managed to achieve-for a viable paradigm applicable across the boards.

He fails to recognize that such specific achievements only appear as potentially paradigmatic on the liberal/procedural side of the ledger, and only there among those, such as himself, who are blind to the topography of the conservative value space. In reality, such cross-ideological agreements are not possible in general, but are only specifically possible because they do not intrude into the realm of core normative principles on the conservative side.

If this were Obama's only confusion, then enough repetitions of the total rejection he's already experienced would eventually lead him to some sort of rethinking-such as, for example, refocusing on reaching out to conservative voters, rather than political leaders who either answer to, or directly come from the movement conservative core, who are far more ideologically rigid.  What keeps Obama from making such a sensible adjustment is, at least in part, a second level of confusion, which I described thus:

(2) Having failed to make these crucial distinctions, Obama consequently sets himself up for a second level of confusions.  This level consists of abandoning the liberal/procedural framework for achieving cross-ideological consensus, and accepting instead elements-from micro- to macro- of the conservative characterization of potential consensus (such as letting torturers off the hook as simple fairness.) This effort is doomed to failure, as I will describe in a followup post.

This is that post.  It will also draw on the intervening post on conservative/authoritarian psychology.

Paul Rosenberg :: Obama's Conservative Impersonations of Good-Faith Consensus-Building
The project of forging cross-ideological consensus is fraught with at least three sorts of fundamental impossibility.

First, aristocratic conservatives don't believe in the proposed ideal.  Consensus is not at all their thing. Therefore, whatever desiderata they lay out will not and cannot lead to the procedural liberal's desired end, except in the sorts of atypical examples referred to in the first diary in this mini-series.  Whatever the rationalization provided may be, the underlying reason is that aristocratic conservatives cannot compromise on core normative issues-to do so threatens them existentially in at least three different ways: (A) It threatens the normative core that Perlstein referred to in the first diary.  (B) It threatens the permanent disruption of the protective order that maintains the always-threatened world of the RWA authoritarian follower.  (C) It threatens the dominant position of the SDO authoritarian leader.

Second, the desiderata that aristocratic conservatives lay out will necessarily be asymmetrical, whether overtly stated or not.  Ultimately, the asymmetry is grounded in the existential nature of conservatism: Believing that they are inherently virtuous (or at least deserving in the case of completely amoral SDOs), any means, however foul, is ultimately justified.  Believing that others (conservatives of other traditions, such as Islamic fundamentalists, as well as Western liberals) are inherently evil (or at best, morally irrelevant), any means on their part, however virtuous, are ultimately meaningless, if not outright deceitful, and thus, evil.

Third, any attempt to create a generalized cooperative framework will fail on two counts: First, to the extent it is cooperative with aristocratic conservative demands, the capacity to produce genuinely acceptable results in a liberal framework will be fatally compromised.  (For example, not prosecuting, or even investigating war crimes.)  Second, to the extent ir succeeds on liberal/procedural grounds, it will be rejected by aristocratic conservatives if it threatens their existential core.

We now consider some specific examples.

(1) Adoption of rightwing frames.  Obama has a recurrent habit of repeating rightwing frames.  As a general habit, this doesn't get the heart of what I'm talking about, but it's in the neighborhood and serves as a good generic introduction.  My point being that to show that he gets how conservatives think he doesn't have to mimic-or even reinforce-their thinking.  What's much truer to the liberal, reality-based tradition is the ability to reference those frames and then problematize them.  A classic example of this was Obama's embrace of the historically false conservative narrative around "gun rights" and the Second Amendment.

The simplest, most reality-based way around this is simply to say that no hunter even needs Constitutional protection because no one is interested in taking away their guns in the first place.  You don't go hunting with a Saturday night special, and no self-respecting hunter would even want to go hunting with an assault rifle.  There's a real opportunity here for someone who's comfortable in approaching the entire subject with a sense of humor about how absurdly the issue has been portrayed.  Not that you want to do a 5-minute shtick on it. Just that you're confident enough in your audience's common sense that you can cut right through the NRA BS.

(2) Rick Warren.

When Obama invited Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration, he was giving a platform to a political activist, not just a religious leader, who had a clear record of rejecting even private dialogue with those he disagreed with-not to mention someone who had sandbagged him during the campaign.  A consistent liberal approach to building cross-ideological consensus would have required Obama to either reach out to a less polarizing, less overtly political figure, or to ask Warren to engage in some outreach of his own, reversing his past refusal to meet with Soulforce before speaking at the Inauguration.  

(3) FISA flip-flop.

What can I say?  A total disaster with absolutely no upside whatsoever.  No consequences for lawless behavior is a classic authoritarian value, directly at odds with the liberal principles that we are a government of laws, not men, and that all are equal under the law.

(4) Stimulus Flaws.

The stimulus package was clearly inadequate in terms of size, which Obama did nothing to fight for.  It was also inadequate specifically in terms of offsetting state deficits, which in turn meant inevitable drastic cuts in education, health care and social services generally-all programs with strong, broad appeal at the state and local level, that could have been used to leverage "moderates" into supporting a far more effective stimulus package.  Rather than making strong, principled, fact-based arguments on either of these counts, and promoting a true, reality-based framework for striving towards consensus, he attempted to lure conservatives in by giving away the store-including the tax cuts they were sure to argue for.

Instead of gaining anything for all these concessions, Obama instead strengthened his opponents hands, and indeed encouraged "moderates" who could have been allies to instead position themselves in opposition.  In addition to the above, he further exacerbated matters by agreeing with false arguments that various stimulus items-such as birth control-were not actual stimulative, when in fact they were more stimulative than the GOP's beloved tax-cuts.  He could have used these attacks to create a teachable moment, explaining to the American people how all government spending has a stimulative effective.  He could still have agreed to remove the contested items, but he could have extracted a price for doing so--at the very least, a GOP admission that it was actually stimulative would have been nice.  Instead, he gave way without gaining anything in return.

In short, there were severe shortfalls in the size of the stimulus, which threatened its effectiveness, and ensured a great deal of avoidable hardship, while simultaneously allowing conservatives to advance some key narratives, not just without challenge, but even, in some cases, with overt agreement.

(5) Excusing Torture

This could warrant an entire diary unto itself.  But I'll try to be brief, and just hit a few high points:

(A) "Looking forward not back" is a rightwing trope devised to prevent rightwing crooks from paying the price for their crimes.  The fact that it's never invoked to pass over Democratic transgressions is a dead give-away to what's going on-a classic case of authoritarian thinking, where one group-liberals and Democrats-must always be punished, whether they did anything wrong or not, while another group-conservatives and republicans-must never be punished, even when they admit to or even brag about clearly breaking the law.

(B) While it's clearly desirable to look forward, it's just as clear that failing to hold people accountable for their actions is not forward-looking in the least:  It virtually ensures future wrong-doing on an even more massive scale.  This is precisely what happened form Watergate to Iran/Conta and from Iran/Contra to Bush's torture regime.

(C) Not only does Obama embrace of this rightwing trope serve to block prosecution, it serves to block investigation, and the establishment of an official record of what happened.  This, in turn, actively facilitates the future return of torture.

(D) The "reflection not retribution" trope is a double lie.  It's conservatives who think of justice primarily in terms of retribution.  Liberals think of it alsp in terms of deterrence, as well as the possibilities for restitution, repentance, redemption and and reconciliation.  By repeating the rightwing frame of "retribution" Obama is actively denying the other aspect of justice that liberals have long upheld as being vitally important, even as conservatives have derided them.

Furthermore, at the very least, the granting of pardons would ensure no punishment whatsoever-and hence no retribution, while clearly marking the conduct itself as illegal and not to be repeated under any circumstances.  Any serious concern for the future prevention of torture would have to include some such guarantee as a bare minimum.  That fact that such deterrence does not even remotely figure into Obama's think, and that it is in fact deliberately obscured by this formulation  is a clear demonstration that conservative double-standards, exempting them from all responsibility, are taking absolute precedent over any real concern for reality-base liberal equal justice.  This is not the foundation for any sort of cross-ideological consensus, it is simply yet another black check for future conservative lawlessness and predation.

There's another lie in Obama's invocation of "reflection", since he is doing nothing to further any sort of process of reflection-even though reflection by itself is an utterly hollow and powerless alternative.  This mendacious alternative doesn't represent anything whatsoever that is real, much less efficacious.  It's just a piece of hollow alliterative rhetoric, utterly without meaning, except to insult the intellect.  

This brief review is not intended to be anything more than briefly illustrative of how time after time Obama's gestures toward bipartisan and/or cross-ideological "reconciliation" or "consensus" are actually nothing more than conservative-defined forms of liberal capitulation that cannot possibly be the foundation for anything more equitable in the future.  They are, instead, a gold-plated get-out-of-jail-free card.  Nothing more, nothing less.


The next and last installment will concern alternatives: what a genuine cross-ideological approach would look like that truly reflected core liberal values.


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Strawmen (4.00 / 8)
Obama is so eager to position himself in the middle that he constantly attacks non-existent liberal/progrssive strawmen.  Often he does not attack the real conservative counter-position. The effect of that is to weaken the progressive side and make everything a compromise between conservative Democrats and a jandful of moderate Republicans.

Ideally, he'd want to pull a Reagan, drawing solidly from his base and compromising in the end just a little to win congressional approval.  


Good Summary (4.00 / 1)
This isn't exactly the argument I'm making here.

Even better, it's a very neat summary of a closely-related dynamic.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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WHY Accept THEIR Definitions of 'middle' (4.00 / 4)
which is 22 degrees off of far right, instead of the 12 degrees off of far right that they govern from - ESPECIALLY since over 80% of the country is at about 145 degrees off of far right!

here's an idea - how about WE the peee-ons STOP accepting THEIR definitions of middle, AND, we hire LEADERS who are gonna fight the fascists? WHEW!

Aristocrat bloodsuckers have existed since before the pyramids, AND, the peee-ons have existed to be their doormats, their asswipes, their ass kissers, their lackeys, their serfs, their slaves, their synchophants, their cannon fodder ...

there is MORE work to be done than hands to do it to take 6++ billion people and - have reasonable housing & shelter, have reliable and varied food, have health care access, have training for the young, have retraining for the technologically replaced, have care for the broken down and elderly, have clothes, have transportation, have vacation, have libraries and recreation

for every individual who contributes to teh common wealth with a google or a pencillin - AND WHO DESERVES TO GET RICH AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED - there are 10? 100? aristocrat bloodsuckers whose main skill is getting in charge and staying in charge by manipulating the fucking fools who think the aristocrat gives a shit about them.

those artistocrats need to work for a living, like all of us, AND, the work needs to be useful to the community, NOT useful for them staying aristocrats.

rmm.

It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way


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The thinking in this piece is a little too short term. Was Obama able to impose a political cost out of GOPers when it was revealed GOPers weren't acting in good faith? Yes. Setting yourself up to win bigger battles, is more important than whether or not the stimulus package had an extra hundred billion in it.

Polls moving towards favoring Gay marriage (which they have been, not to mention state action on the subject) is much more important than whether or not Rick Warren gave a fucking speech.

Missing the forest for the trees.

Part of the problem is a refusal to identify ground you've already lost, or have not claimed. Guncontrol? DC v. Heller and Nordyke v. King sets the ground you argue on. Has nothing to do with conservative or liberal thinking, just the fact that liberals managed to do dick all to fight the NRA over the past 20 years.

Even going with torture, you only gain if you have the public backing prosecution. And i don't mean gain politically, I mean that if this country doesn't care about what the bush administration did, punishing the Bush administration does nothing. We'd just vote from someone that does it again. There is a larger persuasive and moral argument at work than fucking "rule of law" or whatever other abstractions are out there. Because in all reality, rule of law only exists if people CARE about the crime.


Thanks For Sharing, Karl (4.00 / 2)
How's Mrs. Rove doing?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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. (4.00 / 1)
Fine. How many more psuedo intellectual articles do you have planned for this weekend?

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Witty! (2.00 / 2)
That's the Karl I know and love.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I agree that the book (0.00 / 0)
hasn't been written on this. Obama is going to be much tougher negotiating healthcare, he has put in reconciliation in the budget and was unapologetic about it to congressional republicans when they came to the white house. Is that enough?? Of course not. But Obama has begun to show impatience with reaching out to republicans so the notion that he isn't learning from the lack of cooperation isn't entirely accurate.

Also, Paul mentioned that Obama should reach out to conseravative voters directly as opposed to their elected officials. Well, he's been doing just that. Having town halls in Orange County, Indiana, and Missouri are his way of trying to directly reach the voting base of congressional republicans who are being obstructionist. I agree with a lot of Paul's observations about Obama, but its a little grayer than he's making it seem, imo.  


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I Didn't Say He Wasn't Learning (4.00 / 3)
I did say that his learning is being limited by mistaken beliefs.

And one reason I'm writing this is that I hope that more and more criticism that goes to the core of his false ideology can push him past that, too.

Bottom line: "Tomorrow may be better" is always a happy thought.  But it's never a counter-argument to "Yesterday was terrible."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Exactly (4.00 / 2)
There is a part of me that even believes Obama learning this on the job training is better than starting from where from a more accurate view from the beginning.  This way the country learns with him, while at no time does he need to pretend to be something that he is not.

While I may be very wrong about this being better, I still feel pretty good about the way the dominoes are set up.  I'm continue to hold to my hope/prediction that Obama will be both our Nixon (first term, realignment) and our Reagan (second term, solidifying ideology) by the time he leaves office.


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the stakes are too high (4.00 / 1)
for us to treat this presidency as just another chapter in the sentimental education of Barack Obama:

This way the country learns with him, while at no time does he need to pretend to be something that he is not.

Millions of lives are at stake, and in the case of climate change, the future of human civilization for the next several hundred years is at stake. We just can't afford to indulge Obama's psychological needs in this way.

We've bought into the idea that the presidency should be a kind of psychotherapy for its occupant basically since Bill Clinton, whose neediness spilled over into the way he governed the country. Bush used the presidency as a way of dealing with his daddy issues, and an opportunity to play cowboy on the world stage while a dark father figure (Cheney) pulled the strings from the shadows.

And now we have Obama--playing the role of wide-eyed naif on an inspirational journey of self-discovery in this great big world.

A healthy republic would choose strong, mature leaders who are psychologically sound and of proven competence. A healthy republic would not have the need to turn the high and difficult business of statesmanship into a psychodrama.

But we're sufficiently infantilized that we want to choose a non-threatening man-boy for president and put the world's most powerful army and nuclear arsenal in his hands. The last thing we want is an adult in charge, because that would mean we would have to face up to reality.

That's our sickness, and as long as we persist in it, we're going to continue fucking it up, again and again.


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I've been thinking about this, too. (4.00 / 9)
I think his error lies in sucking up to authoritarian leaders in the hopes he can somehow woo away their authoritarian followers. At least this is how people explain it.

But what this explanation misses is that in the authoritarian world, there are only leaders, good followers and bad followers. By submitting to authoritarian leaders, he is telling their people nothing more than "I am a good follower, just like you."

Which is all fine and good, until he wants to do something different, because at that point he immediately becomes "bad follower, heretic." There is no "leader" gear in between those two, he sacrificed the chance to be "leader" at the outset when he first kowtowed to them. You can't take back a kowtow.

Montani semper liberi


Precisely (4.00 / 4)
At the very least, he had to force them into a public quid-pro-quo.  This would have clearly marked him as not following them.  Every time he kowtows, he undercuts his own authority as President.

There's a bigger point here, however--which is that he really doesn't need those authoritarian followers, and never did.  They were never a majority, and once the GOP base lost the moderates & independents it gained courtesy of 9/11, they were exposed as basically marginal.  If Obama were really smart, he'd be courting moderate Republicans and leaners to pressure GOP Senators and Congressmembers who'd be toast without them.  Nothing wrong with picking up a few conservatives here and there, but they should not be his primary targets.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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And even (3.33 / 6)
if he did want to win their followers, conquest is the only legitimate source of authority in their world!

You win authoritarian followers by kicking the asses of their leaders. Only then do they trust you to be able to protect them.

This is almost too painful to watch.

Montani semper liberi


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Right (4.00 / 4)
If he doesn't want to confront them, then don't confront them. Go around them.

Me, I would just crush them.  But if that's not his style, he really can just ignore them for the most part.

For a bunch of narcissists that's really got to hurt.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You people sound like the right when they were talking about chavez and ortega.

"But if you shake hands with them, they can steal your soul!"

If Obama were really smart, he wouldn't listen to a word the blogosphere says.


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Right (0.00 / 0)
because up is down and black is white. Where have I heard that before?

Montani semper liberi

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It's pretty clear he doesn't (4.00 / 2)


"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates

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Free Agent (4.00 / 1)
I've questioned before whether Obama (or any president) is really a free agent. We don't know what happens to a person once they are placed inside the "bubble".

Not only is their access to alternative sources of information limited, but they are spoon fed things by parts of the permanent government that have their own agendas.

Notice that Obama was getting daily threat briefings even before he took office. The intelligence community has a vested interest in making these as scary as possible so as a) to prove their importance and b) insure further budget increases.

Assume Obama wanted to come out with some "radical" proposal, ignoring the political repercussions. Where would he get his support? The permanent government (military, banking and the legislature) like things the way they are. It's true they are always angling for some advantage, but we are talking about the fringes, the basic components never change by more than a few percent.

Congress is in the pocket of big business, big finance and the military, both by inclination (Bernie Sanders does not make policy) and because this is the source of their campaign funding.

I'm claiming that Obama is a prisoner of the status quo and that if he wasn't happy with the velvet handcuffs he wouldn't have run for office.

I'll wait until the next installment to see what you offer as a new direction.

Policies not Politics


Of Course Presidents Are Constrained (4.00 / 7)
But they have a good deal of leeway over how much they chose to be constrained vs. fighting against it.  Obama has eagerly embraced a mostly narrow, backward-looking group of undistinguished insiders.  No one forced him to do this.  It was his choice.

There have been a few notable exceptions, which only goes to prove he could have chosen many more of them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Obama does not understand the French concept of GOOD FAITH (0.00 / 0)
He needs to read or reread Sartre.

This is also why we cannot negotiate with Islamic fascists drenched with Stalinism and fascism.


A small point about our gun ignorance (0.00 / 0)
"no self-respecting hunter would even want to go hunting with an assault rifle.

As a liberal who nonetheless has some acquittance with firearms, I can say that this is one issue where you fall into the trap that you describe, where the reality is much different from the world we liberals try and describe.

On guns, because we tend to not know much about them, we tend to sound stupid to those that do.  Out west, there is little big game, so varmint hunting - shooting hedgehogs and desert squirrels at long range - is popular.  Turns out the best kind of gun to shoot very small things is one that shoots very small, accurate bullets. These turn out to be highly modified and accurized "assault" rifles - the AR15, a civilian cousin of the modular M16 military systems.

Now this is not to refute your argument - sophisticated SDO's have recognized their ability to game the imbalance caused by ignorance (ours and their victims).  For instance, allot of the paranoid talk in gun circles these days focuses on supposed attempts by State Gov's to track ammunition through serial # stamping of bullets.

To a liberal, this may even sound like a good idea. Why not put numbers on bullets so that police can track their origin? To a gun-owning conservative, this is yet another example of Obama and the evil liberals trying to take away their guns.

The reality is that the legislation attempting to do this is being written and promoted by a group tied to the manufacturer of the bullet-stamping equipment. Of course this fact is never known by the committed gun-conspiracist.

The problem for liberals is that they get blamed for attempting gun control and aren't aware of either that they've done so or that they're getting blamed for it.  Liberals have no idea that a great many gun-nuts load their own ammunition to save money and that any talk of "stamping bullets" or shells immediately sounds like fascism. Similarly, the phrase "no hunter would use an assault rifle" is immediately interpreted as "Obama and the liberals want to take my varmint/target rifle away."


Shooting VARMINTS??? (0.00 / 0)
Like I said, "No self-respecting hunter...."

My, how the mighty have fallen....

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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