The Alternative-A Genuine Cross-Ideological Approach Rooted In Core Liberal Values

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat May 02, 2009 at 20:30


Note: The nature of this diary diverges dramatically from what I originally had in mind.  But such is life.  It does speak to my core concern, which is the desire to expand our perspective on inherent inadequacies of the methods being pursued by President Obama.

If I can summarize my take on Obama's core message, it would be something like this: for a generation now, America has been divided by pointless, backward-looking debates over the 1960s culture wars, and as a result we have a huge backlog of problems to deal with.  We need to address them in a pragmatic, non-ideological fashion, taking the best ideas from wherever we can find them, and putting them together into policies that benefit America as a whole.

It is, I think, based on a fundamentally mistaken view of history and politics, positing a neat division between ideology and technocratic pragmatism.  And as a direct consequence, it produces a false formula in which (generally center-right) ideological compromise is simultaneously sanctified and denied under the ill-defined veneer of "pragmatism".  This is why Obama has embraced:

(1) A continuation of Bush's Middle East war policy that has no rational relationship to fighting terrorism at its roots.

(2) A continuation of Bush's bank bailout strategy that pours tons of money into financial institutions, with no significant controls, and little effective influence on what benefit, if any, this provides for the rest of the economy.

(3) A middling stimulus package, roughly half the size that was needed, overloaded with tax cuts, and about $250 million short on state stabilization funds.

(4) A go-slow/minimal effort approach on mortgage bankruptcy relief, EFCA, universal health care and global warming.

In order to articulate what this diary's title promises, a genuine cross-ideological approach rooted in core liberal values, I must first present the rough outlines of a counter-vision.

Paul Rosenberg :: The Alternative-A Genuine Cross-Ideological Approach Rooted In Core Liberal Values
This counter-vision begins with counter-narrative about where we stand and why. It begins thus: for 40 years now, America has been largely paralyzed by divided government, which has given rise to a period of eviscerated political accountability.  Appearances have far overshadowed reality, and reality-oriented mechanisms have been systematically eviscerated, so that it is virtually impossible for the people to know what is happening with any degree of certainty.
While much of our long-range decision-making must depend in detail on information systems in need of rebuilding, we can non-the-less begin by taking broad action in several different fundamental areas, subject to fine-tuning as more information becomes available:

(1) A co-ordinated demilitarization of the  Middle East, while shifting our counter-terrorism efforts to a counter-terrorist/law enforcement model, combined with a reoriented foreign policy agenda targeted to help relieve conditions that terrorist groups exploit.

(2) A replacement of Bush's bank bailout strategy that aims to save the banking system, not any particular banks, and does so with the aim of restoring full financial services for all as rapidly as possible, with the added assistance of national mortgage write-down program that stabilizes homeownership, real-estate and mortgage security values.

(3) A robust stimulus package, scaled to the size of the World War II spending, which definitively ended the Great Depression, aimed at initiating a rapid transformation of our society to a renewable-energy-based economy.

Anything I might say about health care could readily overwhelm everything else, and for the purpose of this diary, I want to minimize matters of ideological dispute.  For that reason only, I will say nothing about it--not because I don't think it's important.

The first thing that should be noted about the proposals above is that--contrary to DC conventional wisdom--they are not ideologically determined.  They are however, knoweldge-based and public interest-based determined.  The shift in counter-terrorism strategy is supported by all manner of expert information, from both military and outside expert analyses.  The alternative bailout strategy is supported by economists of various different ideological persuasions.  The same is true of the stimulus package, with the additional input of experts on alternative energy and global warming.  The divide here is not an ideological one, it is between knowledgeable experts and advocates for the public interest on one side vs. special interests and their kept "experts" on the other.

It is only within this sort of clear-eyed overview that we can sensibly approach the issue of cross-ideological consensus-building that Obama has quite questionably made central to his agenda.  But, of course, once we've reframed the problems we face in this manner, the issue of cross-ideological consensus-building suddenly seems far less compelling of a challenge.  

That's really the main point I have to make.  Yes, we can turn to each of several specific examples cited in an earlier diary, and develop superior strategies, but the unspoken key to all of them is to reduce the salience of conflict by solving the larger matrix of seemingly insoluble problems that confront us.

Of course, this begs the question of how to magically implement the change agenda I outlined above.  This is clearly hypothetical in the extreme, not least because it assumes certain actions the time for which has already passed.  But the aim here is not unfortunately to map out a plausible future--rather, it's to shed light on the nature of political decision-making at the most basic levels of problem definition. And here the point is quite simple: For a President with the charisma, popular support, organizational capacity and oratorical skills possessed by President Obama, the fundamental effort should have gone into clearly defining the nature and magnitude of the problems we face in roughly the manner described above, and rallying the necessary public support to overcome special intererst opposition.

The process of doing this would of necessity involve the mobilization, implementation and/or creation of processes that genuinely reflect core liberal values:  open consultative processes free from special interest bias, expert guidance based on non-political professional evaluative processes, public input based on the most open, inclusive  real-life and online processes, and iterative refinements using the best available bias-free processes.

Within this heady mix, the issue of past torture practices could be resolved by any number of processes, but the overall structure might be something like this.  First, a panel of experts, including conservatives such as Bruce Fein, reports on the requirements of US and international law.  Following this, an open submission process is opened to generate suggestions about how to proceed.  The panel of experts--with or without the aid of the auxiliary members or even full supplementary panels--then screens the suggestions only to eliminate those that fail to meet legal requirements.  The remaining proposals are then clustered by key characteristics, and a multi-stage national poll is employed to determine first which cluster of characteristics is preferred, and then which specific plan is preferred.  In this fashion, a combination of expert professionals and public opinion generates the procedure with no involvement whatsoever of professional politicians.

As stated in the opening note, the form of this diary is quite different from what I first envisioned, but I believe my original intention has been served, which is to say that I've presented a much broader perspective on the limits of the sorts of processes that Obama has so far limited himself to.

Suffice it to say, I think this diary serves to underscore the rather significant gap between the visionary sense of possibility his campaign generated, and the painful mundane, even backward-looking governance process--or lack thereof--that he has fallen back on.

I will gladly welcome others to add their ideas about reality-based, egalitarian processes that could be used to bridge contentious issue gaps in the comments below.


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The $64K question (4.00 / 2)
By doing as you suggest -- and it's almost exactly what I would have suggested, had I your energy -- could Obama have in fact generated enough significant public support to overcome the embedded special interests who amuse themselves by wrecking whole countries, even when the country is their own? These are the kinds of enemies, it seems to me, who can't be driven off by a show of fangs; you actually have to drive a wooden stake through a very large number of their black hearts before the rest would show any signs of quailing before your onslaught. I think that righting things would indeed invoke a war of attrition, and with the media framing the struggle, you might very well wind up turning the culture war skirmishes of the past forty years into a genuine Armageddon.

It's an awful risk, Paul. Even though I sometimes long to put an end to this nonsense once and for all, even I'm not sure that we could prevail, and I can very well understand why Obama would ask whoever he counsels with in private to let this cup pass from him.

Is it really that bad? Yes, I think it is. I suppose it's cowardly of me to say that I'm glad I'm not Obama, but I am...and this is why.


Well, The Banks Were In No Condition To Fight Back (4.00 / 6)
If Obama had moved when he first came into office.

The real problem is, he's simply not interested.  He thinks these folks are all his friends.

And the military doesn't really want to be in the Middle East, from what I can tell.

Add in the automakers, who could be enormously helped by a restructuring of the economy toward alternative energy (retooling the auto industry for a combination of mass transit and wind turbines, and other energy-related manufacture could be a lot quicker and cheaper than building a new industry from scratch), so you could have some powerful allies, as well.

No, I don't think it's nearly as bleak as you imagine.  Not in the midst of an economic crisis.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The sad thing (4.00 / 2)
is that we aren't likely now to find out how it might have played out. I think you're right about one thing for sure. Obama manifestly isn't a DFH, even though he thinks he can play our Dobro whenever he has a mind to, and we won't know the difference. I find that a little insulting, frankly, but I'm willing to concede that he's come by his confidence honestly. The bottom line, though is that he's wrong. I'd be willing to bet on it.

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Of course, this begs the question of how to magically implement the change agenda I outlined above.

In the wake of 12 Democrat senators voting against bankruptcy reform, I'd say that should be your focus in the first fuckin place. How do you get what you want. Because in all reality the importance of Obama's culture war critique is to point out liberal failure to enact agenda.

So what do you come up with?

For a President with the charisma, popular support, organizational capacity and oratorical skills possessed by President Obama, the fundamental effort should have gone into clearly defining the nature and magnitude of the problems we face in roughly the manner described above, and rallying the necessary public support to overcome special intererst opposition.

Your grand answer, is "I have no fuckin clue"


Thanks Karl (0.00 / 0)
Say hello to Mrs. Rove for me.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Huh? (4.00 / 5)
(I know, I know, don't engage the trolls, but...)

What about what Paul said doesn't make eminently clear sense?  

The president has enormous political and social power, if he wants to use it, be it Barack Obama, George Bush, or whomever else.  Instead of rallying support behind a clear, affirmative, progressive agenda, Obama sought to use his power to sooth the public and tamp down some possibilities.  I'll give him credit, he has a little bit of boldness to what his agenda looks like.  But nearly enough for what could have been/is possible both in terms of altering political and social dynamics but also to match the scale of the problems we face.

Our problems are not of the last eight years.  Some of my friends and I have taken to saying "It's time to stop blaming Bush and it's time to start blaming Reagan" as a trope for the necessity of confronting at least 40 years of political-social ills.  The president sits in a position of being able to advance structural changes that alter the contours of these dynamics.  

Obama has let a few big moments go by in reproducing the conditions that create/d this mess.  He had, or has, the power to do so.  Why not take advantage of the situation and the power?

I look back at a figure like FDR, who is by no means a saint but also by no means a sinner, and almost dream.  And true, some of the material and political-social dynamics are very different now than in the 1930s and 1940s.   FDR was no DFH himself, but he used the position of the presidency to build massive support behind a wholescale restructuring of the American polity.  Along the way, he, for better or worse, integrated some of the opposition into his backing while taking on other parts.  But ultimately, he brokered mass changes through the office of the presidency.  

He too couched his bolder pieces of the agenda in terms of pragmatism, but always with an ideological undercurrent and always with an eye on transformation.  

So what should the agenda include now?  I could go on for hours about that.  But the core organizing principles ought to be in using the office of the presidency to dramatically change the conditions in the American polity and within the political economy to foster the kind of political and social dynamics needed to advance a coherent, progressive agenda.  

So yeah, I think Paul got it more than a little bit right when he offered at least that part of the path forward.


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Of course the social dynamics are different. FDR had to punt on civil rights to keep his coalition together. Not only that, his bold legislation didn't come until his second term. There was fundamental building to be done to get to that point. There are political constraints to be acknowledged and dealt with.

What we seem to have are people waiting on some liberal messiah to come and lead them to the promised land. A peanut gallery from people that couldn't build a movement if their lives depended on it.


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Well I am not waiting for any (4.00 / 3)
liberal messiah. I believe we ought to be making life diffucult for Obama's corrupters, particularly the bad banks.

My blog  

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Just Like Those Loser Feminists (4.00 / 1)
couldn't build a movement if their lives depended on it in 1860s, so they didn't deserve to have their rights protected in the 14th Amendment.

Thanks, again Karl.  Your work is consistently brilliant your work.

Say hi to the wife and kids.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Why do you post here? (4.00 / 2)
Your angry bull(oney) is ignored. Your points are good signs of what to avoid in thinking, yopur tone makes you a laughing stock.

So, really why post.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Psychological Issues (4.00 / 2)
Isn't it obvious?

Martyr complex, what have you.  The precise details hardly matter.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The precise details hardly matter.

Sounds about right


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Obama is the man for our times, sad as it may be to admit it (4.00 / 1)
As far as I can tell, much of the country wants to deal with the Bush years by pretending it never happened, and to turn back the clock to the peaceful 90s. And for that purpose Obama is ideal, with his emphasis on "hope" and belief in the possibility of change. "He is the change" is an Orwellian way of saying "we've elected a black man, so we don't actually need to change anything else."

In that sense, Obama is the Democratic analogue of Reagan, someone who won the presidency by promising a return to a mythical golden era of America, then proceeded to go in quite the opposite direction.

It's a schizophrenic time, where we're still getting over the hangover of the Bush years, but we don't want to face reality quite yet. That will pass as soon as the magnitude of the crisis becomes clear, but until then the media's usual tricks of distraction and "let's move on"-ism will suffice to keep a cohesive drive from forming. There's too much money in this system.

I don't think it's so much that people lack the tools, but they lack the will. And that they won't have until things get worse.

I do have one idea: have an online contest to design a replacement for the internal combustion engine. The designs can be reviewed by a panel of engineers, then the government can provide appropriate funding towards the development of those designs in collaboration with the winners.



I'm Afraid I Have To Agree (4.00 / 1)
Obama's clearly not any sort of serious student of history, and all the Presidents he's seen have basically ducked the big problems, so why shouldn't he?  And far too many of the American people still seem to feel the same.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Forest...Trees (4.00 / 2)
I think there is an underlying issue that is behind everything since the end of WWII. It is that the US is becoming the former "world's only superpower".

Since the end of WWII we have not "won" a single war that we have engaged in. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan have all just ended. The best we ever did was to secure half of Korea as a client state.

We have not managed to prevent the takeover of former client states by "socialist" or nationalist leaders. We see this in South America, in Iran and elsewhere. The era where the CIA could install our puppet has drawn to a close.

We have the world's largest military, but it is only good at blowing things up, not creating client states that are in our sphere of influence. The "terrorists" that so concern people are mostly focused on national or regional concerns of their own and they only engage us when we get in their face. Why did Osama attack the US? Because we wouldn't get out of Saudi Arabia and supported the royal family that he considers corrupt - a local issue. (Don't take my word for it, look it up, he said so.)

The rise of new industrial power is China, India, Brazil and elsewhere is posing a challenge to our economic dominance. You can see this by the decades long trend away from being a net exporter to a net importer. They don't need our "stuff" anymore, but we do need theirs. China and India have huge under developed local markets as well as regional trading partners that they can sell to. In a decade or two they will stop lending us the money to buy their output and sell it elsewhere.

All these factors (and several others) mean that the US is getting poorer on a relative basis. The issue is what to do when an empire is in decline? Well those at the top want to preserve their privilege and (for awhile) have the money and power to do so. Those further down do most of the suffering. This continues until things get out of hand and the state collapses into civil unrest or revolution. People like to cite the decline of Rome, but I think the French Revolution is more apt. The aristocracy just didn't grasp how bad the economic system had become and the revolt caught them (and the rest of Europe) by surprise.

This is similar to the cluelessness of elite in this country (of both parties). They don't see that the rules of the game have changed and are just trying to patch up the old system as quickly as possible. We don't make the stuff we need to consume anymore, we don't have enough raw materials to sustain our lifestyles, and we don't have enough meaningful work for those who need it.

One party promotes a return to a fairytale past and the other promotes "hope". No politician will tell people that sacrifice is inevitable and the good times (in a materialist sense) are coming back. Jimmy Carter said to put on a sweater and lost the election. Since then "sacrifice" has become the unmentionable word.

You can quibble about the details, but until the big issues are faced up to, nothing meaningful will change.

Policies not Politics


Not Exactly, Robert (4.00 / 1)
We won in Grenada, after all.

And Panama.  We sure kicked butt there!

Heck, we even won in Iraq the first time out, mostly because we had the good sense to quit while we were ahead.

But above all, we won the war against our Constitution.

And that's what really counts.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yes, but... (4.00 / 1)
The question is who is going to take the lead in designing (or at least promoting a discussion of) "America 2.0"?

In an earlier period we would have to have depended upon the fringe opinion journals like "The Nation" and their ilk. It certainly worked for the right with the "American Standard" and the "National Review". The difference being that the right always has big money behind their opinion journals and "think tanks".

Now any piker with a keyboard can at least try to be heard. I think it is time to transition away from 100% criticism of the status quo to a more balanced effort which includes policy suggestions.

I've tried on my web site, with limited success I must admit, but that doesn't mean others shouldn't put in an effort. Of course it is much easier to tear down than build up (even conceptually), but there are a lot of smart people in the world and not all of them owe their livelihood to kissing up to the rich and powerful as do most of the academics and legislators.

I always like to point out in the context of "credentials" that Rousseau worked as a music copyist and Spinoza an optician. New ideas can be heard, it just takes some effort.

Policies not Politics


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They did not rise, American corporate greed raised them. (4.00 / 1)
The rise of new industrial power is China, India, Brazil and elsewhere is posing a challenge to our economic dominance.

Reagan and Thatcher, aided and abetted by Clinton and now Obama, "gave" our industries away so they could make more profits.   I keep sticking on this point because it demonstrates that it can be reversed.  


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I think you've summed it up pretty well, even... (0.00 / 0)
if it took you quite a few anti-conservative rants of how stupid, ignorant, selfish, backward-thinking (based on their history in your last post) but the enemy isn't the republicans. That's what government wants you to think. See if you place all congress on a spectrum of how D vs R they vote, everyone is all over it, but if you lined them up according to how much they're bought off by special interest contributions, people aren't even fazed. See, government 'wants', NEEDS you to believe that republicans and their stupid votes for special interests are the problem because it removes ALL of them as the recipients bought off by big money. As long as they can keep this 'enemy' in front of us, they know they've got us. And we fall for it with all of our anti-repub blogs, I mean that's dKos full time occupation now. And government will be so pleased...but really all it does is fire up the 'other' side when they really want the same things as us (unless all polls are lying). So maybe I'm wrong, but maybe instead of insulting them incessantly we join forces to tell congress, I don't care if have a D or an R or an X next to your name, until you start voting FOR the people, we will vote you out, period. The repubs would be all for it...I know I have them in my family and they agree! We AGREE! So let's get moving...we can't take our eyes off the ball again!

A very insightful... (0.00 / 0)
...series of articles!

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