The Equivocators Are As Bad As the Whores

by: David Sirota

Tue May 05, 2009 at 08:04


I'd say Democratic politicians exhibit two really annoying qualities that help them lose votes: First and foremost, some of them vote as if they believe they are corporate lobbyists (see Ben Nelson as a good example). The other less-talked-about quality of some Democrats is their public equivocation on issues in which equivocation isn't appropriate for professional politicians whose whole job entails taking positions on issues.

In Colorado, we have two of the latter in Gov. Bill Ritter and his appointed senator, Michael Bennet.

After dealing with the death penalty as a longtime District Attorney and then gubernatorial candidate, Ritter is nonetheless saying that he hasn't decided whether he will veto a bill repealing Colorado's death penalty if it is approved by the state legislature. Considering Ritter's experience and the prevalence of death penalty debates in politics, it's simply inappropriate for him to say he hasn't made up his mind on the issue.

Likewise, Bennet, who dealt with union-employer issues as a businessman and public school superintendent, is refusing to take a public position on the Employee Free Choice Act. Again, considering his experience and the prevalence of the EFCA issue in Colorado politics during and after the 2008 senate race, it's inappropriate for Bennet to say he hasn't made up his mind.

Indeed, when I use the term "inappropriate" what I mean to suggest is that these two people actually do have positions on these issues because they are such prominent issues, but they inappropriately refuse to disclose those positions to the public. That's really unacceptable in a democracy that relies on the public's representatives disclosing their positions to the public. And politically, it telegraphs fear and weakness.

As has been discussed ad nauseum, Americans are far more prone to electorally reward politicians who take clear positions, rather than politicians who try to avoid taking clear positions out of fear. This is true even on issues that voters may not agree with the politician on. Why? Because we like to elect people who we believe have their own belief system and principles, not people who we believe take given positions only to get reelected. That is, we like to elect people who we see as principled leaders who are seeking public office out of a sense of mission for their principles, rather than people whose only goal is to be in public office, and have no principles. And rightly so.

I think many Democratic politicians from Barack Obama on down have learned this lesson - and I think that is, in part, why Democrats were able to take back the Congress and win the White House. But I also think there remain some Democrats who think the public just loves weak equivocators - even on issues that are so big and central, that it makes no sense for a professional politician to say they have no position on or are still deliberating on.

These Democrats may win a few elections because their Republican opponents have gotten into the habit of taking wildly extreme positions, but when the GOP eventually does regroup and rebrand itself, it is precisely these Democrats who will get mowed down at the polls.

David Sirota :: The Equivocators Are As Bad As the Whores

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From your keyboard to God's ears (0.00 / 0)
These Democrats may win a few elections because their Republican opponents have gotten into the habit of taking wildly extreme positions, but when the GOP eventually does regroup and rebrand itself, it is precisely these Democrats who will get mowed down at the polls.

I'm not looking forward to a GOP resurgence any time soon, but if it helps get rid of corporate-owned Dems, at least there'll be a silver lining.

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Its still a two party system (0.00 / 0)
Which party will re-emerge if not the GOP?

Or do you prefer single party rule?

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Odd question. (0.00 / 0)
I think its obvious he means that while the party of No is falling like a sledgehammer, if and when they rebuild themselves....

Since Mr. Sirota did not come to politics through the Democratic party, it would be even odder than the question if he supported the DNC becoming the sole party of political discourse. I personally would love the republicans to get all the votes and only the votes of the people they work for. That would leave room for several parties I think. But there would need to be reform in the election process in most on the country to make that possible.

I think a system of run offs as is allowed in places, outside the primary system would be workable.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Well (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't asking Sirota these questions. I was asking them of the person to whom I responded: BigFagontheRag.

I suppose my vision of politics is a bit jaded by the extreme limitations of the two party system and the hyberbolic mainstream media.  At some point, the M$M will decide that Obama's "change" has not materialized and that his is, by and large, a failed administration. (I'm not saying whether this will be true or false). At that time, disgruntled voters will have two options: withold their vote from Obama and the rest of the Dems (abstaining or voting for alternatives) or vote for Republicans. The powerful allure of supporting one of the two mainstream parties will pull more toward the GOP, maintaining the system. The two party system is IDEAL for the kind of monied power-brokers because it limits the alternatives and consolidates the political power so that those that wish to buy off the politicos can do so with the convenience of a Mall with two big department stores; Dems to the Left and Goopers to the Right.

The problem of a stunted political system remains at the root and will produce a "resurgent" GOP because their are no other vaible options for an alternative to the Democratic Party. Same worked when the GOP took control and quickly lost the confidence of the US populace. The Democratic Party benefitted from the situation, but mostly by default.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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What we can do to fix it, is the point then. (0.00 / 0)
I agree with the reasons for your jaded viewpoint. Even as we move forward on a wide range opf issues, and we are, we also face entrenched interests using every trick in the book to stay entrenched.

It is incumbent upon us to identify and expose entrenched interests, organize around changing the selection of possible electors and then get new people elected.

"I think a system of run offs as is allowed in places, outside the primary system would be workable."

Is what I wrote above as an initial pointer to ending or lessening the stranglehold of two parties. There are places where runoffs are allowed to the top two vote getters regardless of party affiliation. This could go a long way to bringing forward truly popular and progressive candidates in very Dem districts.

Dont be too jaded, its part of their plan.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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They've been bought (4.00 / 1)
Someone's bought their vote on the issue.  They don't want you to know it.  That's why they hide their position.

Nah, equivocators or worse (0.00 / 0)
At least, you get something from a whore.  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Two comments (4.00 / 1)
1) Using sexual language in your title is counter-productive to communicating your point, at least from my point of view.
2) I always assume that equivocators who obviously know the subject are holding out for handouts from both sides, and suggesting that they'll side with whoever offers them more.

Both points are good (0.00 / 0)
The scope for error in writing this way is already seen in the comments. I work for a world in which women have so many work and income options, paying so well, that not a single woman feels forced, or is forced to become a sex worker.

Until that happens I don't support castigating a class of people who overwhelmingly have little choice about their profession.

While I agree with Davids effort to equate the opprobrium often applied to sex workers, with those that subvert doing the right thing in politics with payment, I think all too often the 'disgust' people express about sex workers has more to do with dirty dirty sex, than it has to do with corruption.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Is "whoring" actually limited to sex workers (0.00 / 0)
and being female?  That's news to me.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
I think it is what is assumed. (0.00 / 0)
whore
    n : a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money [syn: prostitute,
         cocotte, harlot, bawd, tart, cyprian, fancy
        woman, working girl, sporting lady, lady of
        pleasure, woman of the street]
    v 1: corrupt by lewd intercourse
    2: have unlawful sex with a whore

And no of course not. And yes there are men who also engage in sex work.

I don't think there is anything to debate in this. The vast majority of people involved in sex work are women, and the vast majority are in it to overcome economic problems: putting food on the table.

The point is not that term 'whore' is sexist, but that we need to castigate the powerful and support the weak.



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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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I use the term very differently (0.00 / 0)
"Whore" is a derrogatory term for anyone that sells any part or use of their body to the highest bidder and, most critically, not out of desperation, or distress, but because they'd rather be bought than have to think for themselves.

But, maybe that's just me.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Sometimes (0.00 / 0)
you just have to call it as it is.

Your point #2 basically describes the Whoracracy in action.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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and its dated and outmoded. (0.00 / 0)
I would find a better term.

Feel free to defend it. But it serves no purpose to defend it, in the realm in which we are attempting to find solutions.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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As I described up-thread (0.00 / 0)
In my vocabulary (which I use to discuss life and politics with others) "whore" has been redefined. No longer out-dated and out-moded. Reading Sirota's piece, I figured his definition accorded with my own. Its a good word because it still carries the stigma from whence it was coined.

I can't find another word that describes these politicians so completely and succinctly. Have any suggestions?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I appreciate the offer of a discussion. (0.00 / 0)
I will get back to you on substitutes. I hope we can come up with one that carries all the baggage of corruption, and none of the gender or sexual implications.

As you have redifined it for your use you see the problem clearly.

Debased thief, hypocritical grifter,  swindler chiseller, chiseler, scammer, cheat,  charlatan, deceiver, defrauder, den of thieves, desperado,
  desperate criminal, diddler, dodger, double-dealer, embezzler,  flimflammer, fraud, fugitive, gangster, ghoul,    grafter, grave robber, knave, land pirate, mobster, mountebank, outlaw, public enemy, quisling, racketeer, robber, scofflaw, scoundrel, traitor, villain

I do not think that applying sexual imagery is useful or progressive.

For some people, it carries goodly amounts of extra 'badness' and 'dirtiness'  but those are debatable, confusing and unnecessary.

Do you have any ideas for a substitute? I think we have a strong need for good language and social 'rules of thumb' to better represent what we are trying to say. We have to take into account, not what want words to mean, but what
most people agree that they mean.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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For Bennet it's about the money and visibility (0.00 / 0)
I am well over 1000 miles from Colorado, but I think the real issue with Bennet is that he is trying to raise cash from both sides of the EFCA debate and to raise his own profile as someone that matters.

As a new and quite undistinguished member of the Senate, what does he have to gain by coming out right now? He makes an enemy of labor or the corporate types and then he is simply another vote for whichever way he decides.

So much for reality... Sirota's larger point that this is unacceptable in a true democracy is well-taken and if our media were working properly both Bennet and Ritter would be pummeled relentlessly by the local media until they told the citizens for whom they supposedly work where they stand.

The larger problem here may be that the media in general has fallen for the inside baseball of politics and no longer can even imagine standing up for basic democratic principles.    


Problem with that (4.00 / 1)
is that Colorado is part of the West and although we're a little milder than say Texas or Arizona, a wishy-washy candidate is dancing with death out here.  Leaders lead, it's not clear exactly what a politician does.  

So when someone (in office) says they haven't made up their mind about: the death penalty, abortion, gun control, taxes, or such it makes them look stupid.  You're a US Senator and you still haven't examined the debate on abortion and taken a side?  Or at least formulated a decent opinion?  So are you an complete idiot or do you have  no actual moral convictions?  Both are equally unelectable out here.

I care nothing for Bennet, I wouldn't shed a tear if he was replaced by a mderate Republican (if such a thing still exists.)  


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The Democrats....Uhhh..Don't Get Me Started! (0.00 / 0)
I used to be a Dem and I wasn't too happy with the Bush's either.  But, the Obama administration and the democratic congress are selling us down the river.  Look, I appreciate that we have a choice and a little more than half of Americans who voted, voted for Obama and are going to be extremely disappointed.

People need to wake up to the fact that Obama has unleashed Chicago style politics (if you don't know what that is, please do some research on it).  Everything they are doing right now is self serving.  To whom?  To them, the politicians.  Our freedom and liberties are under attack.  Our constitution is under attack, by whom?  By our own people who have no morals other than to gain power over the people.

If people would just get informed they would realize that what the current administration is doing is trying to control ALL aspects of private life.  That's called Socialism!  Is that what Americans want?

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