Fog Finally Lifting On Torture-For-Iraq/9-11 Link?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Thu May 14, 2009 at 23:33


Back On April 26, in my diary "Torture In NeoContext", I picked up on Keith Olbermann's brief introductory summation of how torture had been used to try to produce bogus intelligence tying Iraq to 9/11, and wrote:

Torture wasn't supposed to save us from a ticking time-bomb.  Heck "24" was barely starting its first season.  Torture was supposed to get al Qaeda operatives to fess up to a non-existent link with Iraq, so we could have the war the neo-cons had been itching for for years, instead of this unwanted distraction by bin Laden and friends.

I went on to tie this scheme back to the well-established (albeit totally ignored) neocon plan for world domination (PNAC's September 2000 "Rebuilding America's Defenses"), in which terrorists play no part whatsoever, but taking over Iraq is an important regional geopolitical move for which Saddam Hussein himself is nothing more than a convenient excuse (p. 14):

Indeed, the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.

After lying fallow for a few weeks, this story has now exploded with a new angle--information reported at the Daily Beast, and supported by Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff Lt. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson--that torture had been used after the invasion of Iraq in an attempt to produce false confessions tying Iraq to al Qaeda.  This use of torture clearly would not fall under the purview of the OLC memos, and thus opens a whole new grounds for criminal investigations, which Senator Sheldon Whitehouse today confirmed on both CNN and MSNBC:

The story was further picked up on Countdown this afternoon. Video on flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: Fog Finally Lifting On Torture-For-Iraq/9-11 Link?

The Daily Beast report begins thus:

Robert Windrem, who covered terrorism for NBC, reports exclusively in The Daily Beast that:
    *Two U.S. intelligence officers confirm that Vice President Cheney's office suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection.

    *The former chief of the Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, in charge of interrogations, tells The Daily Beast that he considered the request reprehensible.

    *Much of the information in the report of the 9/11 Commission was provided through more than 30 sessions of torture of detainees.

At the end of April 2003, not long after the fall of Baghdad, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi who Bush White House officials suspected might provide information of a relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime. Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi was the head of the M-14 section of Mukhabarat, one of Saddam's secret police organizations. His responsibilities included chemical weapons and contacts with terrorist groups.

Two senior U.S. intelligence officials at the time tell The Daily Beast that the suggestion to waterboard an Iraqi prisoner came from the Office of Vice President Cheney.

"To those who wanted or suspected a relationship, he would have been a guy who would know, so [White House officials] had particular interest," Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraqi Survey Group and the man in charge of interrogations of Iraqi officials, told me. So much so that the officials, according to Duelfer, inquired how the interrogation was proceeding.

In his new book, Hide and Seek: The Search for Truth in Iraq, and in an interview with The Daily Beast, Duelfer says he heard from "some in Washington at very senior levels (not in the CIA)," who thought Khudayr's interrogation had been "too gentle" and suggested another route, one that they believed has proven effective elsewhere. "They asked if enhanced measures, such as waterboarding, should be used," Duelfer writes. "The executive authorities addressing those measures made clear that such techniques could legally be applied only to terrorism cases, and our debriefings were not as yet terrorism-related. The debriefings were just debriefings, even for this creature."

The relevant portion of Wilkerson's post is this:

what I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002--well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion--its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa'ida.

So furious was this effort that on one particular detainee, even when the interrogation team had reported to Cheney's office that their detainee "was compliant" (meaning the team recommended no more torture), the VP's office ordered them to continue the enhanced methods. The detainee had not revealed any al-Qa'ida-Baghdad contacts yet. This ceased only after Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, under waterboarding in Egypt, "revealed" such contacts. Of course later we learned that al-Libi revealed these contacts only to get the torture to stop.

Connecting Further Dots: Downing Street Memos, Wilson/Plame and The Original Niger Forgeries

In the past, Olbermann has already covered the Downing Street Memos, including the one that describes Bush's intention to invade Iraq no matter what and his willingness to stage a phony incident to justify the invasion.  Thus Olbermann is quite aware of at least some of the larger framework of obsessive devotion to constructing a fabricated case no matter what.  Whether he will proceed to draw that larger picture over the coming days remains to be seen.

However, at least two further connections seem obvious to make, at least in terms of demanding further examination.  First is the fact that these efforts took place after the invasion of Iraq, which puts them in the same time-frame as the outing of Valerie Plame, which in turn suggests a very different larger framework for Cheney's activities at the time than had previously ever been considered.

It had always seemed somewhat strange how wildly Cheney seemed to have over-reacted to Joe Wilson, immediately suspecting an almost Illuminati-style conspiracy against him.  Sure, we knew that Cheney was almost psychotically paranoid, but why get so spectacularly bent out of shape at this point, over this issue so close on the heels of Bush's triumphant "Mission Accomplished" moment.  But, of course, if Cheney were simultaneously trying to put the finishing touches on a manufactured case for war, then the reaction to Wilson and the outing of Plame no longer seem puzzling at all.  Indeed, they are exactly what we'd expect from Cheney if he were not simply sitting back in satisfaction, and scheming over who to invade next, but instead was trying to put the finishing touches on the Iraq fabrication.

The second connection that cries out for another investigative look is the origins of the Niger document forgeries, which were the impetus for Wilson's investigations in the first place.  This has never been the focus of any sort of serious attention by anyone excepts us DFHs.  It would be very nice indeed to see that change, once and for all.

With President Obama doing everything short of switching parties to try to shut down any questioning of what went on during the last Administration, it seems clear that we need to mount an intense push in support of those, like Whitehouse, who still believe in the rule of law.  This may well be the most important single battle of Obama's Administration, because all other progressive hopes may very well ride on the question of whether he can be forced to abandon his fast-growing attachment to the worst aspects of Versailles, by the only means that now seems feasible, which is, quite simply, making it radioactive for him to continue doing so.


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Sen. Whitehouse: Good start (4.00 / 6)
What we really need is for somebody with clout in the Senate or House to basically tell the Obama team: I'll support nothing until you start getting this right. If Whitehouse or someone else (preferably a group) said their votes couldn't be counted for anything until the administration stops with their stonewalling on torture, maybe that would get their attention.

Need my cloture vote on XXX. Sorry, Need my vote on YYY. Sorry. Want me to release my hold on ZZZ. Sorry.

Now who has the guts for that?


Sounds Pretty Sensible To Me (4.00 / 5)
It was crazy enough when McCain was acting like he'd won the election.

Now Obama's acting like McCain won the election.

Someone's got to put a stop to it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Someone. How many someones will it actually take? (4.00 / 3)
A friend who's lived in Latin America for ten years, with only infrequent visits back, wrote and asked me what I made of the current political situation in the U.S.

My answer: The emperor is now an Abyssinian rather than a German, but the empire remains. At this point in our history, SPQR is an ancient memory.

So far, that pretty much sums it up for me. Glenn Greenwald, in his lawyerly fashion, excludes from his analysis anything which he can't be sure about -- to paraphrase, I'm only interested in what a president does, not in speculations about why he does it.

Well, that's probably prudent, but us DFHs, marveling as always at the complexities of human motivation, and thinking that we might find a key to all sorts of paradoxes there, if we only stare long enough and hard enough, Obama is a genuine conundrum.

Is he a decent sort who can't fight the monster that city hall has become even when he's sitting in the mayor's office with his name on the door, or is he GWB in African-American drag? Possibly a bit of both? Do we care?

Yeah, we do. Meanwhile, each day's new revelations deepen the feeling of living in a nightmare.


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Its the opposite for me. (4.00 / 3)
Yeah, we do. Meanwhile, each day's new revelations deepen the feeling of living in a nightmare.

I feel like its a bright morning coming, with sunlight finally falling on the horror being done in the semi dark.

I am so grateful this is coming to light. I am so grateful for all the people coming forward. I am so proud of a nation that has the strength to face these crimes. I am so proud of a nation that is built so that it can heal itself in this manner.

I wonder if perhaps the military itself could be used to get its honor back after being so sullied, after so many units honor has been dragged so deep.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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In medias res (4.00 / 5)
You may well be right. We're in the middle of things, engaged in small battles, enveloped in the smoke and din. It's axiomatic that we can't see how it's all going to turn out.

It's easy to understand what to do about Dick Cheney. You sharpen your spear and hunt him down. But what about Garrison Keillor? What about the internal councils of the Democratic Party, where supporting Obama is always on the agenda, yet concerns about the bombing of Pakistani villages, the DOJ's defense of state secrets, and photos of the cages outside the city limits where friends of the worker are being held are always deferred until the next meeting?

I actually prefer your version of what's happening, but frankly, I don't know how to judge its accuracy.


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Yes - the awful isn't over. (4.00 / 1)
I know what you mean and agree. I was pretty damn sick 40 years ago listening to people talking about the light at the end of the tunnel. But things are being released, coverups are being uncovered and for all the people who knew far too clearly what was going on, at least they arent alone any more.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Threaten health care (4.00 / 1)
That seems to be Obama's big push and what he is trying to buy votes for with compromises, so that's what he holds most dear.  I strongly suspect Specter's party switch was bought in part by an agreement for the Senator to back Obama on health care.  

You should extort good behavior by threatening what people care about, so I think that the best real and credible threat is to hold any health care plan hostage, even if it includes a public option.  I don't know if any Democrat is willing to A) make that threat and B) back it up by following through with the threat.

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Whitehouse's "good start" withstanding, (4.00 / 5)
I don't think there's anyone in all of Congress with the guts to lead this until the atmosphere becomes way more "radioactive" to use Paul's term. The pressure will mount only when more damaging information, similar to what Paul quotes, is leaked out to the press and mixed into the endless tape loops on CNN and Fox. What's preventing this from happening so far is what Juan Cole calls "the hidden hand of Dick Cheney" and its grip on the thinking of the DC bureaucracy. What will perhaps loosen the hand is some serious cases of ass-saving that individuals who implemented Cheney's policies are going to have to resort to. That's where the pressure needs to be applied: on the lower-downs who will no doubt take the fall unless they become stoolies. Isn't that how the Watergate scandal broke?  

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FOUR- This is where it comes from. (4.00 / 2)
I hate the word stoolie. If we ended that entire set of purported principles it would advance human culture a thousand, ten thousand years.

Lets resolve to be "loyal" to principles and not to groups.

The virtue is telling the truth.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
good point (0.00 / 0)
"Whistle blower" has become a perjorative too. Maybe "truth-sayer"? Or, extending your idea, "loyalist"?

[ Parent ]
I have not heard 'whistleblower' as a perjorative. (4.00 / 1)
That would be awful. We need "Whistleblower Awards" to honour these heroes.


Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
Just censure Obama every week (4.00 / 1)
If I was in charge of congress, I'd just table a motion to censure President Obama every week. Make it a real shopping list of complaints, accusations and abuse. Make it juicy.

The Republicans would support it just for the hell of it, and there's a non-zero percentage of Democrats who'd vote for it after a bit of pressure.

Put his political capital and risk and keep threatening it until he uses it to take America back out of the moral paleolithic.

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2 key points about torture (4.00 / 5)
In all the discussions about torture there are 2 key points that have, to date, not gotten enough attention.   The first point is made in this article - torture was executed for political reasons - not for the security of the country.    The second point is even more black and white - people were killed by excessive torture.  

Every American should know these 2 points.   Most do not.  

As this truth gets known by more people the administration will have to act.    


Good Point About People Being Killed (4.00 / 2)
Though I'm afraid it won't have the impact it should, because there's so much brainwashing and consensus that these are all "really bad guys".

Perhaps it will have more impact, after it becomes widely appreciated how purely political and self-serving the torture architects were.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Red Text (0.00 / 0)
Does the red text denote an update?  If not, why is it necessary for front page articles to have red text?

Because it screems out the absolute horrror and crime of the Bush / Cheney years. (4.00 / 4)
And everything connected with it. It is the central horror of those years, and it is the central crime of the entire society during the Bush years. This is what we were all told.

They tortured people, some to death, who not only didnt know, but couldnt know because it wasn't true.  

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Damn fine article (4.00 / 1)
Lets use the verb 'fabricate' - you have the verb 'produce' and Huffington Post uses 'build' "POWELL'S TOP AIDE: TORTURE USED TO BUILD IRAQ-AL QAEDA CONNECTION" but both would be more accurate, and both would be more communicative of the fact it was an attempt to deceive, with the simple use of fabricate. Although your addition of 'bogus' works well too. For example:

"POWELL'S TOP AIDE: TORTURE USED TO FABRICATE IRAQ-AL QAEDA CONNECTION"



Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Pelosi -- scapegoat turned to accountability crusader? (4.00 / 2)
Cheney has been on the offensive.  Wilkerson is attemtpting to call Cheney's bluff. Obama has been "hands off", or more accurately "let bygones be bygones".  

Congresscritters, for the most part, have been circumspect at best, some endorsing some vague "truth commission".  My thought is that the Congresspersons, on both sides of the aisle, have been paralyzed by their complicity in Bush policy.  Witness Nancy Pelosi not being able to get her story straight, but incrementally dropping her defensive facade and prying open the can of worms a bit more.

What is needed, of course, but which we will never get, is abject apologies by politicians for their complicity, and  getting beyond personal embarrassment to recognize that the enormity of Bush/Cheney deeds dwarfs even Congress' complicity/cowardice.  And then to move on to different forms of accountability, I think most desirably, criminal prosecutions.

Anyway, with Pelosi being forced out of the closet, let the fingerpointing begin in earnest. It is a crack in the conspiracy of generalizations and obfuscations. At some point, this catharsis may transform into pressure on Obama to get off the fence and turn the DOJ loose.

My gut is not convinced that Obama will do the right thing, even with enormous amounts of political cover.  I so hope I am wrong.


I just want to point out. - - - This story is NOT hitting the main press. (4.00 / 1)
I hope its 'yet' but the headline from Huffington Post is not repeated anywhere on news.google.com. It may come, and tyhere are ways that this can pressed into local and major news outlets. But the majors have not put this on their front pages yet. Googles algorythms are not picking it up as a story.

This may need to be guerrilla 'ed into the news. Letters to the editor, asking online why it isnt being covered, asking people who will cover it to point out that not covering it means the medias 'crime of compliance' during the Bush Cheney years is continuing.

Here's hoping it gets enough coverage on Maddow and Keith.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Good dog. Sit pretty. (4.00 / 1)
Although I am well beyond expecting any of the lip-synching buffoons on the TV to actually formulate a question of substance, it does seems strange that given Mr. Chainy's recent flurry of appearances on the M$M, no one has yet asked him about this time-line, or Wilkerson's accusations.

 

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


They know where the milkbones come from (4.00 / 2)
and it ain't the dirty hippies.

Montani semper liberi

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Two Things (4.00 / 4)
(1) This new line just broke, so no on'es had a chance to yet.
(2) Besides which, Cheney's not the sort who choses his venues carelessly.

Add that to the fawning framework that is Versailles, and it's not surprising in the least.

The test will come from seeing if we can get this story advanced to the point where the desire for scoops over-rides the desire for good-doggy biscuits.

But I still wouldn't count on Cheney interviews being a source for any real breaking news.  We should simply be happy he's out there publicly sharing his demons and thwarting Obama's desire to make this all just go away.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Agreed! (4.00 / 2)
This is the main snapshot, the central heart of the Republican governance during the Bush Cheney years. But more than that, this is the outcome of the Embedd program that they put in place to stop criticism, this is the outcome of FOX news, this is the outcome of 'cant we just trust the president" this is the outcome of governing for greed.

They were so interested in their war of occupation of Iraq, they tortured to prove it was necessary, and let Osama go.

This is the main message for the Bush Years, the years of Torture for Oil

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


[ Parent ]
True. (0.00 / 0)
And good point.

Carl Jung says the shadow of an evil person is good, and will sometimes cause them to do things that get them caught. Maybe Cheney's sudden craving for the spotlight is a cry for help.

Montani semper liberi


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Yes, lurid SELLS (0.00 / 0)
There's just too much money at stake for the MSM to ignore something as sensational as a torture scandal. And Cheney is doing everything he can to "head this off at the pass."  

[ Parent ]
True enough (4.00 / 1)
I'm surprised Cheney is out in public so much. I like it. More chance he'll say something off the script, or some hot-shot will start thinking that they might make a splash by giving him a hard time. I wish Rumsfeld would follow suit.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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What's the big picture? (0.00 / 0)
The neocons told us in 1998 what the big picture was.  They want  to use the U.S. military to take over most of the world by militarily invading, destabilizing unfriendly governments, setting up puppets, clearing the way for corporate control of the world.  Corporate control and ownership of the world.  PNAC omitted one key point:  the final ruler will be a corporate elite, not an "American" entity.  

After all, Daddy Bush invested with the bin Ladens.  Every single politician takes massive bribes and hides the money in off-shore accounts in "private" (read secret) equity funds, where all their rich friends hide their money.  Bill Clinton sold the public on this free-trade nonsense, eliminated critical regulation of the financial industry, then collected almost a billion dollars after he left office from the same corporations who profitted from his conduct.  They're all in it together.  He got money from the Saudis and the Israelis.  They're not really concerned with national origin -- they're just concerned with money and power.  

I think we are seeing the end of the nation-state/country/government control of people and resources, and the emergence of an unelected, nationless corporate One Big Board of Directors, without any significant principal place of business, which will simply own and rule everything from afar, electronically, while most of us are wage slaves with no rights.  How do you protest against an employer that has no physical location except a P.O. Box, or a shared store-front in the Cayman Islands?  How do we petition the government if the government is itself just the agent of the corporate governing structure?  Face facts.  

We can't have single-payer because the insurance companies just met with the Democrats and negotiated an enormous series of bribes and kick-backs to be paid to the politicians in exchange for them agreeing to eliminate any discussion of single-payer.  Obama is parading around extolling the new consumer bill of rights while he and all the Democrats refuse to cap interest rates or eliminate late fees, which are the only changes that would help the people of this country.  They do these things in exchange for enormous bribes from the corporations who, really, run everything.

What's the big picture?  Is it limited to Iraq?  Or is it bigger still?  If the big picture is taking over the entire world then torture would have served a purpose beyond justifying the invasion of Iraq.  It, for example, might have provided support for the neocon "theory" of the 9/11 attacks.  

Who would be naive enough to believe a government-controlled commission set up and run during the Bush Regime, a commission not even given subpoena power or the ability to compel documents or testimony under penalty of perjury from the key government politicians in the know, a commission before which Bush would only appear if Cheney came along to hold his hand and tell him what to say.  How much of the "evidence" upon which the commission report was based is false?  How much came from so-called confessions through torture?  How many people did our government kill then claim that they provided information to support the 9/11 findings?  

Ask yourself this question:  would Cheney, for example, be willing to send some airplanes into a high-rise in order to get more money and power for himself and his bloodless goon associates?  Would Bush go along?  How about Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice?

What is the big picture?  I think Iraq is the small picture.  That should be obvious from the current situation.  Obama promised to end the war in Iraq, but he failed to mention that by ending it, he didn't really mean "end" it -- he just meant pretend to end it.  Leave 50,000 troops there even after he's "ended" the war.  WTF?  And escalate the war in Afghanistan, but there's nothing there except rubble and poor people.  Apparently, he now wants to start a war against Pakistan.  Maybe Iraq is small potatoes, and the big picture is the intent of the U.S. corporate elite to use the U.S. military to take over the world.  A real empire, but they will work with the wealthy and corporate heads of the world.  Work against the people.  


Focus, Focus, FOCUS! (0.00 / 0)
Ask yourself this question:  would Cheney, for example, be willing to send some airplanes into a high-rise in order to get more money and power for himself and his bloodless goon associates?  Would Bush go along?  How about Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice?

I've never had the slightest doubt that the core of BushCo was morally capable of such a barbarous act.  There's just no reason on Earth to think they're physically capable (ie competent) of doing so.

OTOH, they've shown themselves to be infinitely adept at weaving fantasies out of whole cloth, so taking a terrorist threat they totally ignored and turning it into a justification of war without end is precisely what one would expect of them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You May Be Right. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know what happened.  But I'm beginning to think that our focus on Iraq may be too narrow -- maybe Iraq is just one step in a bigger plan.  

As far as what the truth is, what really went on, who did what, my point is that we have no reason to believe anything that came out from the government during the Bush Regime.  I was really hoping that we could have commissions and public hearings, and expose these crimes and prosecute the criminals.  

But now we see Obama and the Democrats quashing efforts to learn, educate, and discover -- to have hearings about the lies that got us into war, hearings about the torture, hearings about the financial looting.  I'm just beginning to think that there's a big-picture here, and we are being kept in the dark.  


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We've Been Kept In The Dark Since At Least 1950 (0.00 / 0)
That's when NSC-68 was drafted and signed in secrete.  Within 4 years, the CIA had secretly overthrown the governments of Iran and Guatemala, and we were off.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Does have to involve planning (0.00 / 0)
All they had to do is not stop an existing plan for being carried out.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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THnak you for this needed expose (0.00 / 0)


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