Independents Declining Since Mid-April

by: Chris Bowers

Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:12


Here is one last piece of counter-evidence to throw on top of the Pew poll from yesterday, which I have already criticized for being too vague. Since mid-April, across at least a dozen polls, according to Pollster.com, independent self-identification has actually declined precipitously.


Pollster.com's methodology of putting all polls into a regression line was vindicated by the 2008 elections, so these findings cannot be dismissed. Both Democratic (by about 3%) and Republican (by about 4%) self-identification have increased over the past five weeks. Independents have declined by 7-8%. This means that we are going through a period in our national political discourse where people are taking sides, not moving toward an undifferentiated center.

This shift coincides with the tea-parties, the torture debate, Specter's party switch, and the abortion debate. All in all, you have to hand it to wingnuts: even when they are out of power, right-wingers are still driving the debate, and still good at making people take sides. Even the Specter switch led most to discuss the implications it held for the Republican Party, rather than for Democrats or progressives.

What Republicans appear to be doing right now is shoring up their base with these arguments. They are bringing their anti-government, anti-choice, harsh foreign policy voters back into the fold. It has allowed them to make up some ground on Democrats, though they still trail by a sizable 8%. It seems unlikely to me that this is a path back to competitiveness for Republicans in and of itself. Even with all of their best recruits, they are likely to lose more Senate seats in 2010. However, a more coherent base, combined with an economy that is still struggling in 2012, might be enough to make for a close election in 3.5 years time. (That is, it will be competetive, unless either Romney or Gingrich is the nominee. Those two will never become President).

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Yes, exactly (4.00 / 2)
Centrist described the 90s fairly well despite the gridlock in DC but the current environment, evidenced by or perhaps caused by media changes, is one of partisanship. I guess some commentators are having trouble with the new paradigm...at least they've moved off the center right nation meme and replaced it with a center meme. Maybe we can get them to a center left meme soon.  

Seems to me that making future predictions (4.00 / 1)
about 2010 or 2012, based on a "trend" that has cropped up over a period of 4-5 weeks is a highly questionable endeavor.  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


I Don't Think That's The Argument Here (4.00 / 1)
It's not the polling trend of the past several weeks that Chris is basing his comments re 2010/2012 on.  It's the strategy of base consolidation and its success.

Of course there are all sorts of other things that can and will happen between now and the next elections.  But one thing that won't happen--I join Chris in concluding from this--is that the GOP turns mushy and fails to rally its base.  The trend by itself means nothing.  It's the trend as evidence of what the GOP/movement conservatives have been doing.

If the party had continued hemoraging voters, one might expect them to keep shifting and shifting to find something else that might work.  But they seem to have settled into a favored modality, and the polling trend shows it working for them, at least in terms of holding their based.  This also works for them in media, as dumb, simple and angry makes for good tv, when tv is mostly made by folks who are dumb, simple and complacent.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Since no effort is being made to court the libertarians, (0.00 / 0)
everything will rise and fall on the economy*.

*The perception thereof more than the reality...


Pollster is tilted by Rasmussen numbers (0.00 / 0)
just look at the presidential approval numbers

the Rasmussen numbers form their own curve separate and out side of all other values.

have there ever been up to now an Obama disapproval number close to that which Rasmussen reports 40+%

The republican numbers are artificially inflated by the fox and  Rasmussen numbers.

they are normally 22-27% region in every poll I have seen (been in front of me all these years,.....alá Palin)


Look closer (0.00 / 0)
Pollster.com aslo has tools that allow you to remove anything from the equation that you like, including Rasmussem. Removing Rasmussen from the equation only changes the formula to 39.6% Democratic, 30.8% Republican, and 27.5% Independent.

That is a minimal change, and quickly your thesis of 22%-27% Republican self-identification.


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Timing of polls (4.00 / 2)
Chris, I think what we're seeing is partly an artifact of the timing of polls.  The five most recent polls - ARG, PPP, Fox, Dem Corps, and Resurgent Republic all typically have low independent/high dem/high rep partisan identification - average I 26, R 31, D 41 this month.  But compared to previous polls of these same pollsters, there's not much change over the past six months.  Compared to each pollster's previous poll about a month ago, there's a decrease in independents of zero to two points for four pollsters, and five points for Resurgent Republic.  

On the other hand, the burst of polls during the '100 days' period three weeks ago were mainly Big Media polls that tend to have high I/low D/low R partisan splits.  Their average for the Big Media polls three weeks ago is around I 37, R 24, D 34.  They have a slight trend from January, when they were around I 34, R 24, D 36.  (Includes ABC, CBS, NBC, AP, Gallup, Diageo, Pew).

And looking at the graph of all polls together, we see about three weeks ago the trend line is at 34% I (a combination of the low and high I polls), and then it falls to about 27% today - right where the low I polls are.



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That is very possible (0.00 / 0)
We shall have to see what happens in future polls to make a clearer judgement.  

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We still have little impact on the media narrative (4.00 / 1)
All in all, you have to hand it to wingnuts: even when they are out of power, right-wingers are still driving the debate, and still good at making people take sides. Even the Specter switch led most to discuss the implications it held for the Republican Party, rather than for Democrats or progressives.

The Bush regime did a pretty good job of disgracing the Republicans, but the media narrative is still generated and perpetuated by Drudge, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, Washington Times, Cheney, Gingrich, etc. And the "mainstream" (corporate) media is still definitely supporting the banksters, neo-cons, and elite. After the complete disaster of the Wall Street meltdown and two failed wars, conservatives should be completely discredited. But since the power elite own the media and control much of Congress, and Obama seems plenty happy to cater to their whims, the media narrative is still skewed to the right.

The nation should be discussing whether, in the middle of a massive recession, it makes sense to pump another $93 billion into our two misguided, unwinnable wars. Instead the national narrative is whether people held at Guantanamo should be incarcerated in the US or somewhere else. We should be investigating who broke the law by torturing people and who lied us into the Iraq war, but instead we're talking about whether Pelosi was properly informed by the CIA.

Proponents of upholding the law, single-payer health, fair trade agreements, temporarily nationalizing banks, implementing strong regulations, opposing torture, and creating a reasonable foreign policy have been almost completely disenfranchised by the Obama administration. Obama has filled the administration mostly with corporate centrists and has mostly ignored progressives. The Progressive and Populist caucuses have had little impact on policy or national narrative.

Somehow, we have to change this situation: progressives need to drive the media narrative and we have to force the administration to address our concerns. Beating up on Republican dinosaurs is fun, but it doesn't change this dynamic. We have to do better than this or nothing will change.


Because the Democrats and progressive talk radio (0.00 / 0)
keep respond to the Republicans.   The defense is a good offense, but Democrats suck at it.  Probably because they are two peas in a pod.  

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Partisanship vs ideology (0.00 / 0)
Is this a change in partisanship without an accompanying change in ideology?  Or is it a Specter-like shift, where a lot of people are changing parties without changing their underlying beliefs?  Pew has swings in party identification in recent years have not been accompanied by changes in ideological self-identification.


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