What Being A "Serious" Pundit Actually Means

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:15


Matthew Yglesias makes an interesting point about how people generally opposed to war never end up as national media pundits, while those who seem to favor it in every instance don't appear to have the same problem. Take Bill Kristol, who is now calling on the United States to bomb nuclear capable North Korea, as an example:

As you probably know, a certain number of people are down-the-line pacifists. They believe that war is wrong, no matter what the cause. And as you've probably realized, none of them are major newspaper columnists or television pundits focusing on national security issues. Nobody takes the views of someone who's a pacifist in general seriously on a specific question of war and peace. But if you're Bill Kristol, and every time an issue comes up your idea is that we should launch a war, then you get to a Washington Post columnist and a constant TV presence. Here he is with Brit Hume calling for "targeted air strikes" against North Korean missiles...

Now, setting aside the "serious" question of whether we should start a war with North Korea for a moment, I would like to take this opportunity to present my pet theory on why calling for war makes you a "serious" pundit worthy of a national media position, and why being a pacifist (which I'm not, but it is a position that I respect) precludes you ever holding such a position.

Being "serious" in the way that the progressive blogosphere has often mocked the center-right national punditry for being primarily means demonstrating a willingness to use power in a way that will hurt lots of people, but which will benefit either you or powerful institutions. That is, you are not deemed worthy of holding power unless you demonstrate a willingness to, in at least some instances, use that power to seriously damage other people.

Whether or not the people in question deserve to be hurt is besides the point, as demonstrated by the rarity with which the hundreds of thousands of excess deaths in Iraq are discussed in national debates on our troop deployment in that country. If 5% of a country dies as a result of our use of military force, well boo-hoo. The civilian deaths, no matter how large or how small in number, are entirely besides the point to a "serious" discussion on the use of American military force. Rather, such discussions only care about whether or not the military presence benefits the United States in some way.

A pacifist is excluded from holding prominent national media positions not because of the invalidity or unpopularity of such a position, but primarily because they clearly do not demonstrate a willingness to use our power to damage and destroy other people. As such, they are not "serious." Whatever else someone can say about pacifism, it is an inherently non-exploitative position, and thus actually dangerous to powerful, exploitation institutions.

You aren't serious until you demonstrate that you are willing to use power to damage other people. Take Tom Friedman's "suck on this" justification for the Iraq war as a perfect example. In Freidman's rationalization, the entire point of the Iraq war was to damage other people because we could damage them. Seriousness means a willingness to exploit and damage other people. And that, really, is why people like Bill Kristol have jobs as national pundits, but no pacifists can say the same.

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Indeed (4.00 / 3)
And one should wonder if Yglesias's own reputation as a serious commentator has been aided by his support for the Iraq war and his continued for the war in Afghanistan. If he's "generally opposed to war," he sure hasn't shown it.

Here is what I don't get ... (4.00 / 2)
and it probably isn't exactly on topic ... but do people really realize what bombing North Korea would do? .. North Korea has missiles that can reach Seoul and Tokyo .. and they are insane enough to actually retaliate in that fashion ... is that what we really want?  I know Kristol is a blood thirsty asshat ... but what about the others

I think you've missed the lesson (4.00 / 4)
"Serious" people don't think about the consequences of initiating wars. That will just get you all mixed up and you'll lose the will to take on tough tasks. Leaders don't think; they act.

"Serious" people only start wondering and talking about the consequences when the war is ending (or should be ending).

Clearly, Mr. Kristol has learned this lesson and thereby become a "serious" person. You, on the other-hand, still appear to hold to some quaint notion that serious people actually think about what they plan to do, and might even gain some insight from discussing the issue with other people. Get with the pogrom!



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I know ... (0.00 / 0)
I have a hard time believing that we've gone that far over the cliff .. a sad day indeed

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pacifism is not viewed as an option (4.00 / 4)
Thank you for pointing this out.

Minority views are regularly presented as though they are the mainstream view--but only the more exploitative, more violent minority views.

They call me Clem, Clem Guttata. Come visit wild, wonderful West Virginia Blue


A good friemd of mine says: (4.00 / 3)
"Pacificists?  Who cares what they say, as soon as the war starts, they'll either take up arms, or get shot. Problem solved."  He's being facetious, but is not far from the truth.  

During one of the anti-war rallys against the invasion of Iraq, I met a young woman (early 20's) who was surprised to read the word, "pacifism" on the sign of a counter demonstrator. Turns out, she had always thought the word was "passivism". It was funny and sad at the same time.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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It's not just that pacifists (4.00 / 6)
aren't represented; critics of Empire and imperialism (who might or might not be pacifists) are excluded as well.  

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Brilliant Chris (4.00 / 3)
and one of your best

yeah (4.00 / 1)
This is really good stuff.

It is a deeper insight that more plausibly explains the obvious phenomena.  

Atrios offered the slightly different variant awhile back that "serious" just means you are in favour of the American Empire project, and "unserious" means you don't think America should have total spectrum dominance over the entire world as a matter of divine right.

The two theories are not in conflict, as it seems to me.


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corporate America or the voters (4.00 / 1)
I think we all have noticed and lamented this obvious slant to the "news". The recognized answer is the conservative domination of the national media. Now that the media has been absorbed by trans-national corporations, it is just a piece of the profit making machine, and as rape-public-cans always represent money over people, the conservative position is favored in all news presentations. The pundents pushing war over peace is just one example of this dynamic. Their employeer will not allow any to deviate from the corporate script. The wishes or wellbeing of the audiance is sacraficed to profit in EVERY instance. The results of this pollution of our previous sorces of news include the decline of viewers-readers in established venues, and the riseing use of internet based news that is not exclusively pro-corporate. I doubt that even one regular reader here would take any TV pundit's word over any front pager on this site on any subject. Our corporate news machine is going the way of Provda; recognized as propaganda and therefor an ineffective joke. The sooner, the better.  

Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR

It's Not Just Killing People & It's Not Just About Military Policy (4.00 / 7)
IMHO, it's about power. A "serious person" is one you have to take seriously.  And right now, they still don't think they have to take anyone on the left seriously.  This is the logic by which single-payer isn't a "serious proposal".  As long as they can lock a person, position or idea out of consideration, that person, position or idea is not "serious."

It is, of course, at bottom, a circular definition.  But the death of people who don't count is a good indicator of how it works.  (That's why I say it's not just about killing people.) Lots of people die from lack of health care, though not as many as die directly in wars of aggression.

The same is true in the major ongoing local story I cover for Random Lengths News--port-generated & port-related air pollution.  More Californians die each year from similar pollution (not just port-related, but all goods-movement pollution) than die from homicides,  But actually making the polluters stop is not a "serious position".  We don't have sufficient political power to be taken seriously.  Instead, we have tokenism--the language has changed to seem concerned.  Which is exactly what we have with Obama's position in delivering us a kinder, gentler war on terror.

The essence of liberalism is basic equality (the framework of fundamental rights) and empathy (as Lakoff has often explained).  Thus, the definition of "serious" systematically excludes anyone who really takes liberalism seriously.  This systemic exclusion of liberalism is what conservative hegemony is all about.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


exactly (4.00 / 3)
There are parallels in economic and environmental issues. Any non-exploitative position is inherently dangerous to powerful, exploitation institutions.

They call me Clem, Clem Guttata. Come visit wild, wonderful West Virginia Blue

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Absolutely spot-on (4.00 / 1)
"Serious" = handmaiden to power.  It really is no more complicated than that.

Perhaps folks older than me can help.  My impression is that during the Vietnam War, while hardly common, people like Dellinger and the Berrigan brothers got lots of press and media exposure, some of it even favorable.  I have also heard that for a time Chomsky, no pacifist but clearly a trenchant critic of imperialism, semi-regularly contributed pieces to the New York Times.

Is any of that true?  If so, what happened?  Except on the blogs, there is absolutely no one even remotely as far left anywhere among the major media outlets on any issue of consequence - pick one - as the parade of right wing fools, people like Kristol, who are given the soapbox no matter how many times they are completely, catastrophically wrong about pretty much everything.  

Even Buckley was willing to debate Chomsky on Firing Line: http://video.google.com/videop...


Of course ... (0.00 / 0)
Even Buckley was willing to debate Chomsky on Firing Line

As much as a racist and whatever else Buckley was .. he never(as far as I know) backed away from a debate


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Almost (4.00 / 5)
I think this is very close to being true.  My only issue is you've skipped a step (didn't show your work!) and didn't show the media's own point of view in why this is true.

You aren't serious until you demonstrate that you are willing to use power to damage other people.

It isn't about the willingness to damage other people, per se, it is about the willingness to make "tough choices".  The powers that be aren't looking to hurt people (it just works out that way, honest!), but the willingness to hurt people proves you have the capacity to make the "tough choices" a leader must make.  

Ultimately, this is about elitism.  The people left to own accord would never make the "tough choices" required.  There is a sliver of truth to this -- see the result of California ballot initiatives for an example -- but that sliver is expanded to well beyond all reason.


People are often in the dark... (0.00 / 0)
...about who actually is providing them with "news".

How many of the big news networks are connected to defense/military businesses (like GE/NBC?)

What about the tangled web of multiple media outlets connecting up to one corporate headquarters, each driving others and creating contrived controversy by sourcing off one another with little or no basis in fact?

What about the role of advertisers and sponsors on the content of news and aggressiveness (or lack there of) with which reporters pursue stories (or are denied resources for such a pursuit)?

The business of "producing the news" has overtaken the "reporting of the news".


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