Why Not A Progressive Foreign Policy? Part 2: The Whole Enchilada

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 18:30


In Part 1, I took on the problem of defining what a progressive foreign policy might look like in terms of military policy and responding to the ongoing threat of terrorism.  In this diary, I want to take on the broader issue of defining what a comprehensive progressive foreign policy might look like.  Fortunately, I don't have to do that, though.  I can not only crib the contents of the policy from others, I can crib the logic that explains the contents as well--from a 2001 paper by George Lakoff, "The Mind and The World: Changing the Very Idea of American Foreign Policy" (PDF) which I've written about before here.

In the paper, Lakoff starts off by observing that since the end of the Cold War, a broad range of international issues have emerged that don't don't fit into the traditional "foreign policy" framework, and could appear to be nothing more than a laundry list of unrelated issues--things like global warming, women's rights, global public health, etc.  However, he goes on to argue that there is a very natural framework that encompases them all: the framework of moral norms.  These are all issues that involve how a community of nations ought to conduct itself.  Furthermore, Lakoff argues, the moral norms framework produces a better global neighborhood or environment than the traditional self-interest framework that foreign policy has traditionally used, the same way that an ordinary neighborhood is a better place to live when the people there treat each other according to a shared set of norms, rather than only looking out for their own self-interest.

The idea of operating within a framework of moral norms was present throughout Obama's Cairo speech, and indeed has long been a part of America's foreign policy outlook, though it has rarely been clearly articulated as such.  Individual norms have been invoked often enough, but all too often there's been an ulterior motive, which only serves to build suspicion. But when a wide range of normative statements are made, as Obama did in his Cairo speech, there is a clear implication that something very different is afoot.  Whether or not that comes to pass depends on many different things, not the least of which is developing a more broadly shared understanding of just what that means.

Paul Rosenberg :: Why Not A Progressive Foreign Policy? Part 2: The Whole Enchilada
Lifting a portion of my earlier analysis (linked to above), I wrote:

Lakoff begins his paper thus:


This study has a grand purpose: to begin a change in American foreign policy - not just in particular existing policies, but in the very idea of what foreign policy is. New realities have emerged since the end of the Cold War. But they have largely been ignored in American foreign policy. The Global Interdependence Initiative was designed to address those vital concerns. They are:
  • the environment,
  • human rights,
  • women's rights,
  • children's issues,
  • global public health and the spread of disease,
  • poverty and the powerlessness of the impoverished,
  • fair labor practices,
  • violent ethnic conflicts,
  • the rights of indigenous people to preserve their traditional ways of life, and crucially
  • an economics of sustainability that promotes quality of life rather than an unsustainable economic growth.
When one looks more closely, further details come into focus: the immense danger of global warming, the freedom of women to get an education and engage in public life, the connections between women's education and world population growth, AIDS in Africa, the spread of tuberculosis, the enslavement of children and child labor, and so on. These concerns might sound to some like a laundry list of unrelated topics. As we shall see, they are anything but that. They are a natural category of concerns - a category that has never been adequately described or named. Our job is to forge a general approach to foreign policy where each item on this list is a natural special case, a natural and obvious concern for American foreign policy conceptualized in a new way.

Lakoff goes on to say, "Our job is to change ideas, to imagine and implement a new way of thinking." He then describes two contrasting frameworks for thinking about foreign policy: Self-Interest Versus Moral Norms, and formulates the central argument:

The use of international moral norms as a basis for foreign policy is based on the following central idea:
    It is better to live in a world governed by international moral norms than by the pursuit of self-interest and the potential for conflict that comes with self interest.
In ordinary communities, security comes not just from police power. Real security comes only when the community members follow moral norms. The US is the only superpower -- it has superior air power, enough bombs to destroy the world, and is wealthier than any other nation. But that does not make the US really secure. Its wealth and military security are threatened by the possibility of the collapse of markets elsewhere, and by events internal to other countries:
    a. "rogue nations" harboring and supporting terrorists,
    b. the sale of nuclear weapons and missiles to such nations,
    c. large flows of immigrants fleeing oppression,
    d. global warming and other dangers to the world ecology, and
    e. looking bad in the "court of world opinion" (which could effect trade and hence wealth and military treaties).


It's important to realize that Lakoff is not simply repackaging the old distinction between foreign policy idealism and realism.  He is saying that there is a very realistic and pragmatic reason to adopt a moral norms perspective-and conversely, that there is something wildly utopian in the notion that going it alone on the basis of narrow self-interest could ever produce the sort of future we desire.


It's an extremely enlightening paper, the main body of which is bookended by a look at the 2000 Bush/Gore foreign policy debate.  Lakoff uses that debate as a high-profile example of how the failure to grasp the basic nature of the moral norms framework undermines the articulation of a coherent alternative to even the most cretinous forms of self-interest arguments.  As Lakoff explains it, there was much more going on in this debate than other analysts-even very good ones-have previously suppossed.  He is particularly astute in explaining how Gore became essentially tounge-tied in debating an opponent with virtually zero foreign policy understanding, but a firm grounding in the self-contained logic of his own position.

Barack Obama has a much stronger intuitive sense of where his vision is coming than Al Gore had in 2000, and Obama's conservative critics today are much less centered, much wilder and unfocused. TPM reports on Senator Inhofe, for example:

Mark down Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) as one of the more outspoken critics of President Obama's speech yesterday in Egypt -- in fact, he told The Oklahoman the speech was "un-American" for calling the Iraq conflict a "war of choice."

Inhofe also blasted Obama for implying that torture had taken place at Guantanamo Bay: "There has never been a documented case of torture at Guantanamo."

"I just don't know whose side he's on," Inhofe added

This sort of us/them mentality, once so unquestioned, now appears palpably foolish as a world grown hostile to us responds enthusiastically to a new message of cooperation and shared vision.

All this portends a much greater opportunity for success.  But many old barriers remain, and they are mostly internal to the Democratic wing of the foreign policy establishment, because that is where initiatives for a new direction need to find support, rather than resistance or outright opposition.  And of course, that is where one finds so many individuals who were not only utterly wrong about the Iraq War, but who also remain unrepentant--and thus, none the wiser--to this day.

This is the challenge we face--to overcome the old thinking and knee-jerk responses of a Democratic foreign policy establishment still stuck in the past.  So I don't mean to suggest for a moment that the task before us is easy.  But I do think one can argue that the task is relatively clear, and that is to recognize and realize the enormous benefits there are to be gained by fostering both an atmosphere and an institutionalized framework for wide-ranging cooperation based on shared norms for the benefit of the entire international community.

If we don't take such a direction, the results could be quite dire.  Global warming is but one shared threat that could wreck havoc on the world community.  Resurgent terrorism, fueled by deeper inter-faith hostility is another.  The threat of global pandemics, facilitated by increased globalization, individual mobility and a narrowly-conceived focus on short-term profits, shunning responsibilities for global public health, is yet another.  Energy shortage, water shortage, and other forms of resource depletion represent yet another dimension of the challenges that threaten to overwhelm us if we do not find a way to work together to limit short-sighted, narrow-minded approaches that can produce devastating results for all of us, if we are not more mindful, more forward-looking, and more committed to creating productive, cooperative structures as well as relationships.

In my next diary, I will return to Jeremy Scahill's appearance on Bill Moyers Journal last night, to reconsider his warning about where Obama's continuation of Bush/Cheney policies (particularly the use of private mercenaries in Iraq and Afghanistan) may lead us. And I will do so not just to point out the particular dangers those policies hold, but also as an example of the broader threat we face if we fail to take the spirit of Obama's Cairo address to heart, and make it the foundation of policies going forward, rather than camouflage for more of the same failed policies of the past.


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I don't like the idea of progressive foreign policy anymore than i like the idea of progressive jurisprudence.

Not even getting to the idea of differenting goals/objectives, even if you have certain values, the way foreign policy works doesn't necessarily lend itself to applying those values. does progressive foreign policy entail unilateralism or multilaterlism? does it entail free trade or trade wars? does it entail american progressive interests over another country's national interests or respect the sovereignty of all states? Are we interventionist or isolationists. i could go on and on.

Booman had a post touching on the idea of progressive foreignpolicy so I'll just repost what i said there.:

[quote]I've never been the type of person to apply progressive framework to foreign policy...it's hard to see how one draws "progressive" conclusions on foreign policy solutions. Foreign policy has other frameworks (so does jurisprudence, hell conservatives keep screwing up with appointing justices because they couldn't fathom the fact that the labels liberal and conservative doesn't really apply to judging the law) to use that i think are better at describing how the american establishment behaves.[/quote]

With regard to Obama I said he was a functionalist "within the limits of typical imperial american interventionism, which has been realist and idealist at times."


So Much Bullshit, So Little Time (4.00 / 1)
Assertion =/= argument.

Adding someone else's assertions to your own doesn't make them any stronger.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That was no one else's assertion, I was quoting myself smartass.

Booman had a post talking about Obama having progressive foreign policy and I articulated why I didn't think that was particularly wise.

You did the same shit (attempted to make up a progressive foreign policy) so I quoted myself.

Instead of creating whole new (contradictory and incomplete) frameworks, just go with the shit that already exists.

I felt Obama (and most people that describe themselves as progressive) fits this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...


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Too Stupid To Argue With (0.00 / 0)
Instead of creating whole new (contradictory and incomplete) frameworks, just go with the shit that already exists.

First off, you didn't even try to show that Lakoff was presenting a contradictory and incomplete framework.  And you didn't try again in this reply.  That's what I mean by saying you're offering assertions, not arguments.  

Apparently, you're too stupid to even understand what an argument is.  Hence, there's no point in arguing with you. (This comment is clearly written for the benefit of others.)

Second, the whole point of articulating a new framework is that we haven't done such a good job of explaining why different elements of what already exists work, and how they can work even better when more coherently integrated together.

Unless, of course, you think everything's just peachy the way it is.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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First off, you didn't even try to show that Lakoff was presenting a contradictory and incomplete framework.  And you didn't try again in this reply.

That would be the point of these questions:

"does progressive foreign policy entail unilateralism or multilaterlism? does it entail free trade or trade wars? does it entail american progressive interests over another country's national interests or respect the sovereignty of all states? Are we interventionist or isolationists. i could go on and on. "

Second, the whole point of articulating a new framework is that we haven't done such a good job of explaining why different elements of what already exists work

There's a difference between you not knowing shit about international relations and needing to invent a new framework.


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Odd, this.... (4.00 / 1)
A few days ago, I wrote a fairly long post -- for a blog -- on exactly this theme. Then came Obama's speech, then this two-part article from you.

Whatever we make of the impediments in Obama's path, whether we believe them to be self-imposed or the foul work of troglodytes, or a bit of both, he -- and we -- either act in the spirit of most of his speech, or we're finished. (What is up with this Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan/assorted ex-Soviet Otherstans pigheadedness anyway? No one who could write that speech could possibly believe that it's about extremist violence, or that sitting smack in the middle of the world's biggest puddle of oil at great expense to everyone guarantees us much in an era of accelerating climate change.)

Anyway, for someone who leaves stuff out of his own writing because he can't fit it into the anecdotal, metaphorical habits of thinking which afflict him most of the time, it's nice to have guys like you and Lakoff around, just so's we don't forget anything, and so that we can actually start doing something about the mess we've gotten ourself into.

Which is my long-winded way of saying thank you -- again.


"The Mind and The World: Changing the Very Idea of American Foreign Policy" (PDF) (0.00 / 0)
MY COMMENT: The above-referenced link no longer seems to work. However, I did find the following at the same site:

"The Mind and The World, Changing the Very Idea
Of American Foreign Policy" (Edited Excerpts) - PDF, 23 pages

LINK - http://www.frameworksinstitute...


Thanks. Fixed. (0.00 / 0)
I thought I'd checked the link, but obviously I was wrong.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Yes, moral norms should rule! The US should end the hypocrisy. (4.00 / 2)
The discrepancy of the US regularly "selling" its foreign policy by packaging it as a value driven mission (most shocking lie: Bush's evangelism of democracy), even though it's primarily based on self interest, has been hurting America's credibility abroad for decades now. A departure from this, and a real focus on moral norms would be a very welcome change that would be met by positive responses by most governments all around the world. The US would become much more reliable in its reactions if it would construct a framework of values that define foreign policy. This would lead to the US strengthening its leadership role and becoming the spearhead of the necessary reforms of international relations in the 21st century. What's not to like?

I don't think such a conversion of the US' stance is very likely, but its an inspiring ideal, a goal worth fighting for.


The Abolition of Slavery Wasn't Very Likely, Either (4.00 / 2)
So we shouldn't let the odds stand in the way of doing what's right.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Of course! (4.00 / 1)
And I would be glad if my scepticism would be proven unbased some time in the future. However, this would be a big reform of US foreign policy, and right now I simply don't see Obama going that far. Much too often, he prefers finetuning of the status quo to broad changes...

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True (4.00 / 1)
He makes even Tony Blair look like a flaming radical.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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He is particularly astute in explaining how Gore became essentially tounge-tied in debating an opponent with virtually zero foreign policy understanding, but a firm grounding in the self-contained logic of his own position.

I will definitely check out this Lakoff piece (and your post on it), as this problem, not confined to Gore or foreign policy, seems to me to be one the Democrats greatest political weaknesses. Unfortunately, too many Democratic officials seem to be immersed the deep conservative logic, and fail to even acknowledge the possibility of an alternative.

Thanks for this series - this is work that definitely needs to be done.  

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