Obama and the Left, Part 432 (and counting)

by: Mike Lux

Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 12:45


There has been some interesting writing lately on the whole Obama and the left thing, a wave of discussion that started when Obama declared his candidacy for President, and won't end until humans stop writing history books.

The first was kind of a silly article by Josh Gerstein in Politico, which basically described the left as being Rachel Maddow, some civil liberties groups, and some LGBT activists. Not surprisingly given that definition, all "the left" in Gerstein's article cared about were civil liberties, gay rights, and having a Supreme Court Justice picked.

Now don't get me wrong, all of those are incredibly important issues and activists, but to describe "the left" in that way seems like pretty bad reporting. Doesn't mention the labor movement, health care advocates, advocates for low-income people, environmentalists, bloggers, community organizers, progressive think tanks, feminists, progressive activists of color, MoveOn and other online activists, the progressive youth movement, the peace movement, or any other parts of the remarkably diverse and interesting progressive movement. He didn't mention how progressives had both pushed for the stimulus package to be bigger but also were an essential part of getting it passed in the end; or how progressives have been organizing big coalitions on behalf of helping Obama get health care, immigration reform, climate change reform, and a re-write of banking legislation passed; or how progressives have expressed concern on a range of issues like trade and banking.

There have also been articles in the Washington Post about how Obama's election and the sausage making of passing legislation had deadened progressive excitement, and the excellent grasp of the obvious file- one about how progressive groups now had more power in lobbying than they had under Bush.

Easily the most thoughtful pieces of all have been two recent pieces by members of the progressive movement themselves (both personal friends, so I'll admit my bias upfront). The first, by Gara LaMarche of Atlantic Philanthropies, was a thoughtful and nuanced discussion of the challenges of both Obama and progressives, and was fairly hopeful in general, both about Obama and about the relationship between him and the movement. The second, by Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake, was a more frustrated discussion of the way progressive leaders aren't challenging Obama enough, and the distancing of Obama from progressives.

I respond to all of these with some thoughts in the extended entry.

Mike Lux :: Obama and the Left, Part 432 (and counting)
From my experience in the Obama transition as the Obama team's liaison to the progressive community, and in all my conversations with folks both inside and outside of Obamaland before and since, the tension between being hopeful about the possibilities and upset that better things aren't being realized will always be there. If managed right by both Obama and progressive leaders, it can be the kind of constructive, creative tension that leads to the kind of big breakthrough progressive changes we saw in this country at key moments in our history- the 1860s, the early 1900s, the 1930s, and the 1960s (the Big Change Moments I write about in my book, The Progressive Revolution). If managed poorly, it can lead to the kind of Presidential meltdowns we saw with the LBJ and Jimmy Carter presidencies, and on the Republican side with the first Bush presidency: Presidencies that started with high hopes but ended with destructive conflicts between the base and the Presidency, tough primary challenges, and lost re-election hopes.

So far, I'm feeling quite good about Obama's chances for the former. After some initial stumbles, he pushed through the stimulus package- and the biggest progressive public investment package- in history. His budget was very bold and as strongly progressive as any budget at least since 1965, and it has made its way through the first rounds of the congressional budget process in good shape. He has so far handled the politics around his first big legislative initiatives, health care and climate change, very pretty, giving us a solid chance at success.

Progressive leaders have handled themselves well on balance, too. A lot of us thought the stimulus was too small, but we pushed hard to get it passed once the die was cast. A lot of us prefer a single-payer health care system, but are also pushing hard to see a strong public option kept in this reform package, and are putting big resources into the passage of a good plan. Progressive groups and leaders are working hard and constructively to push Obama and other Democrats to improve the climate change bill that came out of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and to move forward on the strong financial regulation and immigration reform legislation. And where Obama has disappointed many of us- on civil liberties, on LGBT issues, on Afghanistan, and on financial regulation- we have pushed back strongly but generally not been destructive in doing so.

Going forward, though, there are certain things history and common sense teach us that both sides need to understand very clearly:

1. We need each other. Progressives need to understand that our fates for several years to come are tied, fundamentally and completely, to Obama's success as President. If he loses his big legislative fights, we won't get another chance at winning them for a generation (see health care, 1993-94), and early losses will make the Democrats more cautious, not more bold (see health care, 1993-94). If Obama's popularity fades, Democrats will lose lots of seats in Congress. If he loses re-election, Republicans and the media will say he was a failed liberal and run against him for many elections to come, even if his actual policies are more centrist (see Jimmy Carter). But Obama's team needs to understand that they need a strong progressive movement as well, and as Jane alluded to, they haven't generally acted like they do. Without progressives' passion, activism, lobbying, and money, Obama can't win those incredibly challenging legislative battles. Just as Lincoln never would have won the civil war or ended slavery without the passion of the abolitionists, just as FDR never would have won the New Deal reforms without the labor and progressive movement, just as LBJ would never have passed civil rights bills without the civil rights movement, Obama can't win these big fights alone. And he can't win re-election either without the passion of his base: see LBJ, Ford, Carter, George H.W. Bush, and many other Presidents for more info on that topic.

2. Obama needs a left flank. It is a natural tendency of any White House to be dismissive of criticism, and to play hardball when people disagree with you. The Obama team should not hesitate to defend itself when being pushed from the left, but I would caution against playing too hard at hardball. The Obama team needs a vibrant and vocal left flank, because the stronger their left flank is, the more Obama seems solidly in the middle. The White House would be well-served to fully support and empower progressive groups, media, and bloggers- even when they sometimes disagree with Obama.

3. There needs to be both an inside and an outside strategy for progressives. Progressive leaders who get jobs in the administration are sometimes derided as sell-outs, and progressive groups who are not openly critical of the Administration are sometimes criticized as being too cozy with those inside. At the same time, insiders get very worked up about "irresponsible" bloggers and outside activists who they say don't understand the system and the challenges they are facing.

Having been both on the inside and the outside, I see the grain of truth in both sides' perspective, but also respectfully disagree with both sides.

We need progressive people in government, even if the cost of that is that they have to trim their sails on issues where they disagree with administration policy. We need progressive groups in regular in-depth policy meetings with the administration, even if that means they have to soft-pedal their criticisms some of the times to keep that access. And we need outsiders who will push like crazy for doing the right thing now no matter what.

Change and progress never happened in this country without both insiders and outside agitators playing a strong role. The administration needs to respect the role of those outsiders, and those working for progress from the inside and the outside need to respect each other. There is no other way this is all going to work for the good.


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(1) Is What Really Has Me Worried (4.00 / 7)
Yes, we need each other.  And that should be a good thing.  But it has a definite shadow side.  Right now, there appear to be signs of economic recovery on the horizon, essential for expanding Dem strength in the Senate, but there are reasons to question if this will pan out (questionable status of banks' paper recover, coming next wave of mortgage defaults, etc.)   It's the left that's been most cognizant of how risky the "safe", "pragmatic", centrist approach has been, and even if it does work out, states like California are being threatened with permanent damage.

Bottom line, we're being squeezed to support a path out of necessity that could very well fail, and we're not even having a robust discussion so that we have a good fall-back position if it does start to fail more dramatically.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


One fundemental failure of the blogs (4.00 / 7)
and I think DKOS is example #1, is what has happened regarding Iraq.  There has not been an Iraq post on DKOS in a Month (I checked).

It's like we have forgotten we are still involved in a mistaken war.  

The issue has so dropped off the liberal radar that Obama really has no pressure from his left to get out before his 19 Months.  

Personally I think we still suffer from a fundemental mistake: we respond too much to the other side's argument and don't make them respond to our own.  The blogs are falling into this trap.  How many posts are about something Rush or some other wingnut said?  Close to half.  We spend our time talking about wingnuts rather than developing and advancing our own point of view.

Dionne was dead right last week.  


Actually ... (0.00 / 0)
and I think DKOS is example #1, is what has happened regarding Iraq.  There has not been an Iraq post on DKOS in a Month (I checked).

there is one(at least) today .. though I am guessing it's not the exact discussion you'd wish to see


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Yeah, But THEY Spend 2/3rds of Their Time Attacking Us (4.00 / 5)
That's the tiny flaw in Dionne's headline argument.  Which, as I noted, was not the same as the argument he developed in most of his column.

After three decades of one-sided hegemonic warfare, I think it's still vitally important to be tearing the right down.  It's not that we shouldn't be doing that.  It's that we should be doing that and more--pressuring Obama, advancing our own progressive agenda, and promoting ideas that help us build the framework for advancing the agenda.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Damn good point. (4.00 / 1)
Although we need to be kept aware of the scatter and any new frame being issued, the drive now has to be forward and into the change we need to make.

Yes we have a president, yes he is an ally, yes he will help us out frequently, BUT he is not going to do it for us, and he may have differing agendas. Our job is to discuss and share the directions of organizing and the focus we might want to adopt.

Fox is more than a mouth piece for the Republicans, it is an organizing force. They tried to create a popular resistance across the country, beginning with demonstrations leading to civil disobedience. We do not have those levers. We have the group I added as my sig below, which is asking for demos and other actions, but as whole our 'activism' is "ask for money give it to a politician" -"ask for money give it to a politician" rinse repeat. We need a little more. Don't get me wrong, power comes off the floor of the legislature, and primarying may just be our strongest weapon.

On Mike's excellent point

we have pushed back strongly but generally not been destructive in doing so.
I could not agree more. I want "pro-Obama" marches demanding radical change in the healthcare field. I want "pro -Obama" marches for EFCA. I want congress to be the target and focus. We can add 'disappointment in Obama's' ability or time to help us, but for effectiveness, to match polled public approval of the President and anger at congress abnd lobbyists, we must drive the wedge into the congress. Its where we have power, it resonates with the public and it can acheive real ends as Representatives and Senators feel the heat. Obama will be our President until January 20th 2017. He's an ally. We can argue how good an ally, but to what end. To what end?

But look at France, who while they allowed a 'rightist' to be elected, they haven't and won't let him alter the French model of looooong vacations, government health, social security and job security and a rather long list of surprisingly complicated policies. They close the country down if the model is threatened. ( really long vacations 6 and 8 weeks a year is NORMAL, plus holidays (plus of course they tale all their vacations in FRANCE!)

I prefer clever to thuggish, and self inconveniencing to any kind of property damage and I like drama and comedy that reinforce the message to simple acts.

Fox News tried to take control of the debate. They failed, but it was a sophisticated planned coupe. They worked together and came into the street. That of course they then exhibited how looney the right is and how little support they have, should encourage us not dissuade us, our policies are supported, and the public was promised, we are fulfilling expectations, not countering them.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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I think Fox is to the right (0.00 / 0)
of the GOP.  As do Rush, Hannity and the others.

And that makes all of the difference.


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The problem with #2. (4.00 / 1)
Is that the strength of the left "flank" positions is that they are simply not as visible as the right/center positions, IMO.  This site, Kos, etc., are where the Left is most vocal, i.e., the Left is heavily concentrated in new media, while the existing establishment media is saturated with the center-right.  

I'm reminded of the scene in "Primary Colors" where Jack Stanton throws a fit and declares that "you can't run a campaign without CNN."  D.C. as a whole is dismissive of new media, and the administration (whether merely being realistic and bowing to the dominance of the establishment media or sharing the same biased view of establishment media), while somewhat less dismissive of new media, still appears to be dominated by those who view the entire american political process as being dominated by establishment media (primarily television, and to a lesser extent, newspapers of record).  

Why does NBC and Brian Williams get their big "look inside the White House," and the president's new media outreach seems to be limited to mass e-mails and netcasting his weekly speeches?  If the administration took new media (and the largest progressive media outlets) seriously, you should be seeing TPM (as one example) getting one-on-one interviews with senior administration officials.  If the administration made a concerted effort to use new media, the establishment media would have to report on it, and that would lead to better (or at least more widespread) coverage of progressive positions.    

It's a win/win for the administration and progressive politics, if the administration would take the blinders off and shift their media outreach efforts to elevate the status of progressive media.  Unfortunately, they seem tied to the conventional wisdom that they need to win the "news-cycle" on television and in "papers of record," rather than harnessing the power of the blogoshpere to change the dynamics of the media coverage.  

Contrast that with what was, for twenty/thirty years, successful, for the GOP.  Even before Reagan, the GOP was pushing to change media coverage, and once they were in power, weren't afraid to play hardball and deny access to media outlets that weren't favorable, and use favorable outlets relentlessly in order to advance their positions.As a result, Rush is one of the de facto leaders of the party, and the power of the right-wing media has even come to eclipse the power of those who actually hold office.  My point is that Rush and Faux News couldn't exist if the pols in the GOP hadn't catered to those favorable outlets, which were favorable from the outset, rather than trying to curry favor with outlets that were less favorable.  In short, if the administration wants a left flank, it has to demonstrate that it takes the left flank seriously (see your point #1), and force the media to cover that left flank, just as it has been forced to cover the right flank of the GOP for the last ten-twenty years.  

Without that "synergy," I fear that this opportunity will be squandered for both Obama and progressives.  Further, empowering progressive media would be an important legacy for Obama, and give progressives power well past his presidency (in much the same way that Rush has outlasted the Bushes and the GOP Congress).  But it won't happen unless someone in the administration comes to the realization that they have to shape the media, and not merely react to establishment media.  


They are the establishment (4.00 / 1)
I think we're kidding ourselves if we think the Obama administration represents anything other than the establishment.  

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Contra your point 1 (4.00 / 2)
is the clear significance of Obama's ongoing popularity: that progressivism is forever defined down to the repulsive Center-Right policies we now see taking hold.

If Obama is regarded as a successful "liberal" President, when will the banking system ever be reformed, and our corporate masters/parasites on Wall Street put in their proper place? When will the state of our civil liberties and respect for due process ever be returned to pre-Bush norms? When will our wars against EastAsia ever come to an end?

So long as Obama is seen to embody progressivism, and fundamentally accepted rather than rejected by outside progressives, the movement itself is doomed -- or, equivalently, defined out of existence.

I think it is childishly unrealistic to imagine that Obama might ever be pressured far enough from his Center-Right leanings to deserve fundamental acceptance from progressives. He is really little more than Harry Reid writ a few inches taller. For him to have demonstrated so little real commitment to progressive change at a moment so rarely and perfectly poised for such change is, for many of us, a disappointment of a lifetime.

Given Obama's utter refusal to be what he needs to be, I personally simply don't see any way out of the obstacle Obama presents to progressive policies short of his failure as a President. Progressives need to go back, with a fresh mind and slates cleared, to their own roots in policy and figure out what they themselves really want. They need to build a genuine movement out of those policies, and commit themselves to those ideas over any man or woman.

Conservatives built their own movement while gladly accepting, and even encouraging, the defeat of President Ford, who was seen as not furthering their agenda. Rightly, they calculated that Ford's loss of the Presidency was a very positive, even essential, step toward the eventual election of a genuine Conservative.

When will progressives realize that the like is true of Obama -- that so long as he is regarded as their representative, and the best progressives have to offer, progressivism itself can never succeed as a cause?  


Really, genuine progressives need to ask themselves some simple question (4.00 / 1)
Is Obama so far to the right, so much of an impediment to the goals I seek for progressive policies, that it is better to see him go down in defeat than to continue to support him?

What is my personal breaking point on that question? How and why do I choose that particular breaking point?

If I can see that other politicians should be subjected to such a test, because, in the end, they are far more of an hindrance to progress than an assist, why not Obama?

If Conservatives actively worked against the re-election of Gerald Ford, whom they regarded as a major obstacle to their goals, why might not the same be true of progressives with respect to Obama? If Conservatives got out of that effort pretty much exactly what they wanted, why can't progressives do the same? Is it perhaps only firmly entrenched conventional wisdom and progressive timidity that leads me to believe otherwise?


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Because Maybe This Is Different? (4.00 / 2)
Is Obama so far to the right, so much of an impediment to the goals I seek for progressive policies, that it is better to see him go down in defeat than to continue to support him?

What is my personal breaking point on that question? How and why do I choose that particular breaking point?

If I can see that other politicians should be subjected to such a test, because, in the end, they are far more of an hindrance to progress than an assist, why not Obama?

The answer to this can be pretty simple, really: because the presidency is different.  As Mike's book serves to remind us, major progressive change only comes in relatively brief windows of opportunity, and opposing a Democratic president outright, as opposed to pressuring him, risks forfeiting one of those rare opportunities.

If Conservatives actively worked against the re-election of Gerald Ford, whom they regarded as a major obstacle to their goals, why might not the same be true of progressives with respect to Obama?

Because progressives and conservatives aren't mirror images of one another.  There are (A) some ways in which we can and should mirror each other, and (B) others that we can't and shouldn't try to.  Then there are (C) those where we might if we were in similar circumstances.  One can argue over whether this is either (B) or (C), but it's definitely not (A).  

Just for starters: Obama's not an unelected caretaker President without his own national political base.  We don't have our own progressive version of Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings, and we don't have a huge influx of money being poured into progressive movement-building.  So the analogy to conservatives opposing Ford is completely inappropriate as a form of guidance.

More fundamentally, though, we are a reality-based movement, and that places an entirely different set of obligations on us that the conservative movement never had to meet.  Then as now, "just say no" was an easy path to take.  But it wasn't a wise one, however emotionally satisfying it may have been.

You know I've been much more openly critical of Obama than Mike has, but we're in complete agreement that what we need to do is strengthen ourselves as a progressive movement, rather than seeking to tear Obama down.  That logic doesn't apply to mere Senators, however.  


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Sorry but I don't accept either of your arguments (4.00 / 1)
The Presidency is not different in any relevant respect here. It is as easy for a President as it is for any other politician to fall so short of the goal in terms of policy that it is better that he/she is defeated in order to achieve important goals.

Really, are you going to maintain that no matter how bad Obama might be in his implementation of progressive policy, it is better that he remains in power? It is impossible for him to go too far right to reach a breaking point for you? (And, even if you happen to believe that, isn't the open commitment of virtually all progressives to that very dubious proposition deeply counterproductive? Isn't it exactly what Obama might want to hear, so that he could go as far right as he might ever desire, in an effort to build up his numbers? Why should Obama care about critics on the left who, like you, will do nothing but issue sternly worded posts when he does something you don't like, but who can be fully counted on to support him no matter what?)

If Obama wins a second term, and remains President through 2016, I simply see no hope of undoing much of what he has so done so disgracefully already. I see no hope, in particular, and among other things, that we will see him go back on many of his Bush-like decisions on state secrets, on indefinite detention, and on many other civil liberties and due process positions he has already taken; I see no hope of fundamental change on reform of the financial industry; I see no hope of such change on his catering to the insurance industry; I see no hope of a cessation in our endless wars in Afghanistan/Iraq. And it is only worse that he and his positions will be identified with progressive change, and by progressives who continue fundamentally to support him, rather than attack him and seek to replace him.

You argue that this is a rare opportunity for progressive change -- but that is the precise reason he is so deeply deficient as a President, and his performance so disappointing.

And your rejection of the Gerald Ford analogy is not on point.

To begin with, you are right of course that progressives aren't entirely like Conservatives -- and that really is the issue here. We lack their courage and conviction. We lack their articulation of, and commitment to, firm policy; even the most tepid and compromised possible "progressive" policy seems to fully satisfy most of us. That is our deepest problem.

If we had that dedication to ideas above men, it would not be hard to assemble the money and find the candidates to suit that purpose. Reagan rose in the Conservative movement because he both helped articulate those firm values and chose to implement them; he was of the movement and in front of the movement. We will never have such figures when we ourselves clearly don't know what we want, or only pretend to want anything, and demand nothing of our leaders. From that inchoate ideological soup arises nothing.

But I do think there is also another very critical difference between the Right and the Left. The Right is currently in complete systemic failure, all organ functions approaching flat-lines. They have no way out of their catastrophic collapse because they have no ideas that work; they never will have ideas that work.

We, on the other hand, have ideas that can work, and by the bunches. We, unlike the Right, can readily recover from loss because we have those ideas, and because they will in fact lead to great improvements in our country when finally implemented, and thence to wide embrace among the American people.

It's possible for us with our ideas to reform Wall Street and the banks; to create economic conditions that serve the people and not the elites; to return to civil liberties that we have long taken for granted; to cease wars that have no point, and only destroy.

But, in the main, these ideas will never be implemented under Obama, or by anyone enabled or inspired by Obama.  


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For Example (0.00 / 0)
The Presidency is not different in any relevant respect here. It is as easy for a President as it is for any other politician to fall so short of the goal in terms of policy that it is better that he/she is defeated in order to achieve important goals.

LBJ.

We sure bounced right back from that one, right?

Oh, wait...

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Target Blue Dogs (4.00 / 1)
I'd say that we target the real culprits in the party, the Blue Dogs.  I see Obama as someone who will go along to get along.  He's pragmatic as they say.  He isn't moving left unless it's in his interest to do so.  We have to raise the cost to those on the right in our own party.  We have to make them contest every primary. We have to make it expensive for them to oppose us.  That's what the right wing base does so well!  We do not need to attack Obama directly but should a more progressive candidate turn up (and oh do I love to hear Dr. Dean talk about healthcare) we should not shy away from giving that candidate a listen.  No one has a permanent lease on our votes.

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I don' think Obama acts like he needs us (4.00 / 3)
I think he and his supporters are dismissive of us.  I am not going to display good faith toward someone who doesn't display it toward me.

This is a really interesting discussion (4.00 / 1)
and I'd like to see Mike Lux responses to the responses.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

#2 (4.00 / 4)
I don't agree that this "White House (is) dismissive of criticism, and ... play(s) hardball when people disagree(s) with (It)."

Rather it is dismissive of criticism only when it comes to the left.  Obama is always open to making a compromise with the right-particular the corporate right.  Witness the stimulus package, the bailout, and most glaringly, health care where the single payer advocates were relegated to non-existence.

There are structural reasons for this pre-disposition having to do with what has been called "the mothers milk of politics."  i.e. MONEY.  

And so, while perceptive in some ways, this lacuna logically undermines much of the above account-and others along similar lines.


Concur (4.00 / 1)
4) We need an intellectual revival. Emoting about identity politics will not sustain the body politic. Read the classics. Think about what you read. Communicate what you think.

To quote Bad Religion:

the other ways we're taught to fear,
don't even scratch the surface of the problem here

We need to start scratching the surface of the problems that are only now visible to the learned, but not to the electorate en masse, who vote one way if they read Out and another way if they read Guns & Ammo.

Societies don't stumble their way into success, they harness wisdom and foresight.


Say, where'd that two trillion go, anyhow? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? (4.00 / 1)
You know. The "open" and "transparent' two trillion?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

Why do I get the feeling that all yer posts ain't nuthin' but a big ol' job interview? (0.00 / 0)


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