Democratic Leadership Pressuring… Progressives?

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Jun 10, 2009 at 13:00


The outline (four page PDF) of the House Democrats health care reform plan, drafted largely by three progressive committee chairs, ostensibly has left progressives in the Democratic Party happier than conservatives. From The Hill:

House Democratic leaders gave members their first glimpse of their version of President Obama's healthcare overhaul on Tuesday, with liberals leaving the meeting happy and centrist Democrats walking away skeptical.

The outline put forth lacked many of the details that will decide the fate of the overhaul - notably, how the proposal would be paid for. But it made good on the commitment Obama and Democratic leaders made to include a government-run "public option."

A public option for healthcare insurance is essential for liberals in the caucus. Blue Dogs and New Democrats got less of what they wanted. Most notably, the plan ignores Blue Dogs' call for a government plan to be a "fallback option," if reform of private healthcare doesn't work.

"They've made some real steps toward our principles," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), co-chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

However, where a bill starts is not necessarily where it ends up. Almost invariably, legislation is watered down as it moves through the process. Will that also be the case with health care reform?

Much will depend on which direction the Democratic leadership in Congress and the White House throw their influence. Will they pressure centrist and conservative Democrats to fall in line with the health care proposals being put forth from the Senate HELP committee and the House tri-committee? Or, will they instead pressure progressives to give in to the demands of the centrist and conservative wings of the party, which seek to dismember or entirely stop the public option?

As I explain in the extended entry, there are good reasons to believe that the progressives will be the ones receiving the pressure from the Democratic leadership.

Chris Bowers :: Democratic Leadership Pressuring… Progressives?
Why are conservative Democrats like Mary Landrieu and some Blue Dogs folding on the public option, instead of falling in line with the White House and Democratic leadership? One possibility is because the Democratic leadership is pressuring progressives to fall in line with the Blue Dogs and Mary Landrieus, rather than pressuring the Blue Dogs and Mary Landrieus to fall in line with progressives. From the Concern Troll Politco (emphasis mine):

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer are double-teaming powerful chairmen and rank-and-file members to save health care reform from a repeat of the Democratic Party infighting that helped kill it in 1994.

In a closed-door session Tuesday, Pelosi assured rank-and-file Democrats that she won't move forward on a bill without their consent. "We have to hear from you," one participant quoted Pelosi as saying.

In a separate closed-door session in the speaker's office, Pelosi and Hoyer urged Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-Calif.), Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) and Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) to heed the concerns of moderate Democrats.

That meeting came on the heels of a joint memo prepared by top aides to the speaker and the majority leader.

Now, this is based on anonymous reporting from The Concern Troll The Politico, so this article is certainly not proof of anything. However, it does provide a reasonable hypothesis for why the Democratic congressional leadership and the White House, both of whom have repeatedly stated their support for the public option, are seeing more congressional Democrats defect from the public option than announce their newfound support for it.

Perhaps, instead of pressuring conservative Democrats to support a public option, the White House and the Democratic congressional leadership are actually pushing progressives to give in to the demands of conservative Democrats. Given both the overwhelming influence the White House in particular could exert on all Democratic members at this time, and the lack of converts to the public option within the right-wing of the Democratic caucus, there are good reason to take this hypothesis seriously.

Maybe the leadership is pretty much just siding with the conservative wing of the party on the public option. And then maybe, if either a weak public option is passed or no public option is passed at all, they will tell progressive activists that they wanted more, but that this was the best that could have done given "political reality." That way, they appear to have been pushing for a more progressive reform bill, even though they were actually putting their thumb on the other side of the scale.

I am not saying this is definitely what the Democratic leadership in Congress and the White House are doing, just that it is possible it is what the Democratic leadership in Congress and the White House are doing. Either way, supporting the public option via press releases isn't good enough for either the White House or the Democratic congressional leadership. They are the ones with the most influence over the conservative Democrats who currently oppose the public option. As such, they are the ones most responsible for flipping conservative Democratic votes and getting a strong public option passed into law. If, in the end, health care costs are not reduced, then the Democratic leadership is as much to blame as anyone else.


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Sigh. (4.00 / 1)
Could a fully transparent government ever exist, where all wheeling and dealing was out in the public view?  Maybe that is simply impossible.

But, Obama is publicly pushing the public option... (0.00 / 0)
And expending political capital to do it...  It would seem odd for Obama to waste political capital on this issue to push the progressives rightward...

Obama wants to find something that works, 'cos if the program ends up sucking, we'll pay the political penalty...  It's important to make this thing work, more than the concerns of corporate blue dogs' coffers...

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Obama could prevent the defections (4.00 / 2)
Whatever Obama is saying in public, it seems highly likely that he would be able to prevent public option defections if his administration was applying pressure.

Even Blue Dogs and Mary Landrieus usually don't make public flips unless they have the consent of the leadership, whether congressional or from the White House. Somoene in the leadership isn't applying enough pressure.


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Reconciliation (0.00 / 0)
That is why they are talking reconciliation is my guess to deal with defecting dems.

Since when Has Mary Landrieu done anything that the leadership has wanted?


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Reconcilation is not a panacea (4.00 / 2)
I'm reposting a comment from the quick hits:

You know how you fail to get 51?

One defection at a time.  We saw this same thing happen on EFCA.  Each time someone defected, people said 'don't worry, we only need them for cloture, it's just one vote.' And that kept happening. Whether we need her individual vote or not is irrelevant.

There is only one way to deal with this - you go after the first person to defect, and so that the next person decides not to. That makes our foes more cautious and our allies more courageous. You don't let the other side march to the goal line before you put up some defense.

There seems to be too much emphasis from the Obama Admin and the Democratic Leadership on working behind the scenes.  This may be poor political strategy, as the forces of the status quo maintain the advantage. It may be good political strategy, meaning that they are acting as agents of the status quo. Either way, its something that ought to be opposed.

Leaders need to lead - and we need more proof than their assurances that everything is under control. History shows those assurances are worth little.

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Two more strikes (4.00 / 1)
PayGo is back while we are in the midst of a huge recession and have not spent the stimulus money.  At least as an Obama talking point.  Way to use the Republicans plan, at least on verbiage.  Reagan and the Bushes ran up huge deficits while talking conservative.  Don't fall into the trap.  Fix the economy first.  Get health care second.  Then do something, maybe in your second term.  OK, strike one.

The NY Times reported on June 9 that Obama is now going obsessive about a magazine article that noted that Medicare costs were higher in NY, NJ, FL, and CA but lower in a slew of low cost states and Hawaii.

The Times has Obama tasking staffers about the wrong question: Why is health care expensive in NY?  Peter Orzag is vowing to cut costs by 30% by forcing the offending states to spend like the cheap ones.  This is not what you do when you are defending a public option. Strike two.

The real question to ask is why is health care cheapest in a hugh cost of living state like Hawaii?  The answers are interesting and ought to be used to sell reform.

First, a major factor is the population.  San Francisco has average costs despite being in a high cost state and being a very high cost city.  Hawaii is the lowest cost state.  Do bells ring off in your head?  They sure do in mine.  What is shockingly obvious is that Hawaii has by far the largest Asian population (% wise) in the US and is only 24.9% non-Hispanic white.  San Francisco has a huge Asian population.  Heredity, diet, traditional medicine and let's throw diet in there again.  The statistics say Asians live longer and are healthier.  Duh.  The places with a lot of Asians have lower health care costs.

Second, Hawaii has a different insurance set up than the rest of the country.  The state has long mandated standard care plans, no exceptions for prior conditions,and IIRC has pretty much universal care at less cost.  The difference?  They limit the role of the middle man insurance companies.  At the time of the Clinton plan I was advocating "Hawaii Care" to everybody I met.  I guess it's still operating but what it says is that Obama and his planners have it backwards.  Fixing the "regular" health care system is the priority because long term that will fix Medicare, at least in part.

My knowledge of the system is 15-20 years old.  These things stay the same.  The benefits are long term.  Obama needs to be selling big time both on the Hill and on the stump.  Not for a few days but for as long as it takes.  We need a little LBJ here.  Twist those Blue Dog arms till they break.



Politico - Democratic health care lobbyist: "they're not going to play the speaker off of Hoyer on this stuff" (4.00 / 1)
... While Hoyer has been marshaling support for health care reform for months, Pelosi's increasingly hands-on involvement reflects the pressure to move quickly on President Barack Obama's top first-year legislative priority - and it's a signal that there's no daylight to exploit between the speaker and her No. 2.

"The point is to send a message clearly that they're not going to play the speaker off of Hoyer on this stuff," said a Democratic health care lobbyist.

...



and of course, they will just play Pelosi and the House off against the Senate, as usual -- (4.00 / 1)
like they've done on all legislation -- always to our detriment entirely.

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Lies, Rumors and Pressure (4.00 / 2)
I've seen reports of people previously for the trigger change their minds and back off.  I've seen people previously for the public option now claim they want a trigger.

But I've also seen some rumors simply aren't true:

"There is a rumor making the rounds that Sen. Wyden supports the Snowe proposal for a public option "trigger."  That rumor is false.  It never happened and he has at no time expressed support for this idea.

"As happens so often both around Congress and across the Internet, false information gets spread and repeated until even well-meaning commentators begin to adopt and repeat the false information as if it were fact.  This appears to have happened with former Secretary Reich, and we regret that he fell victim to this rumor.

I think there are many players on the Hill and they are spreading whatever rumors they can to help promote their own agenda.

As far as pressure from goes, we've seen evidence both ways.  I don't know what is true.  I certainly don't believe, however, that a flip from Landrieus automatically means she was pressured or given permission by Obama.  Or if leadership did give her permission, it is possible they think they have the 51 votes anyway.


the most important thing (4.00 / 2)
is that congress not pass any plan that prohibits the states from enacting their own single payer plans. There are several initiatives in the states that could pass.

didn't landrieu basically retract that statement yesterday? (0.00 / 0)
wouldn't that suggest pressure from the democratic leadership, voters, and/or progressive outside groups?  

I never even saw the full statement (0.00 / 0)
The Politico "quote" was second-hand and seemed to just a piece of a much larger quote.  Does anyone have the actual conversation?


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Keep the pressure on your Congresspeople for a public option (0.00 / 0)
The article above is a good reason to keep our voices heard demanding a public option be part of any health care reform.

Go to http://www.standwithdrdean.com and sign the petition and email or call your Congresspeople!  


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