The Fear Factor

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 12:00


Thinking back over the six years I have spent full-time in politics, there have been only three occasions when I was a part of a campaign that seemed to legitimately frighten powerful interests. Here is what comes to mind:

  1. Howard Dean's presidential campaign
  2. Ned Lamont's primary challenge to Joe Lieberman
  3. The Googlebomb the elections activist campaign.
That's about it. There have been many other good, creative, insurgent efforts of which I am proud to have played a part--No residual forces, Bush Dogs, Donna Edwards, Use it or Lose It, Freeze Out Fox News--but nothing else that really seemed to get under the collar of powerful people and institutions over a long period of time.

Thinking about all of this, I can't help but wonder--weren't the best efforts, even if they did not directly lead to either electoral victory or immediate legislative action, the ones that really scared the bejeebus out of powerful interests? Aren't the best indications that we are really onto something as progressive activists when Village media, Democratic Party leaders, and moneyed corporate interests all freak out over what we are going? Unless they are scared, how do we know that our actions hold the potential for real change?

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: The Fear Factor
Fear was certainly rife in the Village with the Dean campaign, which legitimized both the progressive netroots as a major new fundraising source and opposition to the war as a mainstream political viewpoint (not to mention a majority viewpoint within the Democratic Party). It happened with the Lamont campaign, which made it clear the Democratic inaction and complicity on Iraq troop deployments would not be tolerated in the party (I still believe that was the final catalyst for making withdrawal from Iraq the official Democratic position). In a slightly different way, it also happened with the Googlebomb campaign, which resulted in not only almost every national news outlet calling me for an interview, but also resulted in Google actually changing its search engine formula in response.

Unless elected officials, Democratic Party leaders, mainstream media pundits, and corporate political operations are scared of the progressive grassroots, how will they ever take our concerns seriously? After working in politics for six years, I think it is pretty obvious that they won't. Democrats wouldn't be caving on the public option and climate change legislation if they were scared of the progressive grassroots. Instead, they are clearly more scared of the corporate political operations pushing them to cave on those issues. In the end, politicians are responsive to those operations which they fear. Right now, they are not afraid of us.

We need to start looking for more campaigns that will actually make Democratic Party leaders, mainstream media pundits, and corporate political operations frightened of the progressive grassroots. I submit that such campaigns will be a lot more effective in engendering change then serving as supplemental activist and media operations for already powerful political institutions. Helping elect Democrats, and helping them pass legislation, is all well and good, but it is a lot more effective when we are scaring them at the same time.

In the short term, just about the only campaign we could join that I can think of that would actually scare the powerful interests I have listed here is Representative Joe Sestak's potential campaign for Pennsylvania Senate. Other than that, I can't think of too much. However, I would like to hear from you, both when it comes to what you think of my overall argument in this post, and when it comes to finding more ways to actually scaring powerful interests with progressive, grassroots activism.


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Via Quick Hits (4.00 / 9)
The Senate campaign of labor-liberal Jonathan Tasini is a possibility. Of course, to truly scare the PTB, the campaign needs to have a chance of succeeding. It's a long shot no doubt--$$$ will be a big factor--but we won't know if he has a chance until and unless progressive activists support him.

I know this: he's the only progressive in the race, and he's an excellent progressive at that Pro-fair trade and anti-war, pro-gay marriage, anti-bank bailout: position-wise, he's the whole package.

Gillibrand? There's absolutely no reason why New York of all places should have a New Democrat Democratic Senator.  


Jonathan Tasini is amazing (4.00 / 3)
You beat me to it - Tasini's candidacy is important, especially since Obama's been elbowing everyone else out of the primary.

If you've seen Tasini on TV, you know what a fighting progressive he is - he does a masterful job of linking a host of progressive issues together into a cohesive whole. It's great watching him battle it out against the free-marketeers on CNBC.

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A couple other thing to consider (4.00 / 2)
The very things that make his candidacy a long shot--the vehement opposition of Wall Street, for example--make it a worthy undertaking. Sure, Sestak is opposed by Obama and Schumer, but Wall Street hardly minds a Senator Sestak.

Tasini would be running against Gillibrand, the handpicked choice of Patterson, he of the Cheney-like approval ratings.


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One last thing (4.00 / 1)
Speaking of challenging powerful interests:

On Iraq, Tasini -- along with a broad range of progressive positions -- favors an immediate pullout. On Lebanon, as recent violence surged, he quickly echoed calls elsewhere for a cease-fire and joined in criticism of Israel's bombing campaign in civilian areas. Tasini spurred a midsummer ripple of controversy with remarks that included his lament of Israel's "many acts of brutality and violations of human rights." He didn't back down, reminding his critics that his comments did not stray from civil rights reports and charges by Israeli leftists.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/w...

A Jewish critic of Israel running in NY.

Still not interested?


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When Tasini ran against Clinton, he gave voice to what many were thinking (4.00 / 1)
all along: Clinton was not this special candidate who would make NY look good. She was a war-mongering, dishonest, corporate shill. Obama, to a lesser extent, picked up on the same feelings of the general public when he ran against Clinton. Too bad he hired her as S of S.

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pragmatism (0.00 / 0)
Not to pick a fight, but in that campaign against Clinton, he also showed a lot of downside too in terms of his organizational style, communications methods, apparent motivations, etc. He read to the public as fringe, and for people who tried to operationally coordinate, as kinda flaky.

That was a while ago, so lots of room for improvement, but I think for the fear factor to be real, so does the threat. Schumer is, to put it mildly, much more powerfully entrenched than Arlen Specter. Unless there's an alternative message with real mainstream crossover appeal (as in the case of Dean's dark horse campaign), I'm skeptical that Tasini really has much chance from a pragmatic standpoint.

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Fair points (0.00 / 0)
But remember, he's not running against Schumer.

Also, he's not a typical lefty long shot. He's pretty polished on TV, for one thing, and has ties to the media in NY. I don't think he'll be ignored as he was last time.  


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I don't disagree. I suppose my point is that there are steps that move in a good direction (0.00 / 0)
even if they aren't immediate wins. When Clinton is romping around NY preaching hate and hypocrisy, it accomplishes something when a challenger speaks the truth and reflects a certain sentiment on the street. This works to mobilize.

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Pragmatic Appraisal (4.00 / 1)
I've met Tasini on numerous occasions, as I was an active member of the National Writers Union on the local LA board for several years & attended one national meeting as a delegate.  He made a big name for himself as head of the union, and was famous for a lawsuit he brought for residual pay.  But the lawsuit victory was largely hollow, relatively little money reached people, and their was no follow-up strategy once the lawsuit was finally won. The description you give is consistent with my experience of him.

Bottom line: he never did have an organizing strategy for the union.  Which is a pretty fundamental failing when 98% of the people you could represent are not members of your union.  What he did excel at was the internal politics of the union.  So, he's good at building personal support for himself.  He's a passionate speaker.  But he doesn't have any sort of record of real accomplishment with solid follow-through that I am aware of.  If you want your efforts to have more than symbolic resonance, I would direct them elsewhere.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well (4.00 / 1)
Why not wait to see if he has a real organizing strategy?

The other alternative, unless Maloney or someone gets in, is to let Gillibrand waltz to victory, rifle and corporate cash in hand.

I understand you can't discount your personal experience--I've heard a few similar anecdotes--but why write off at the outset the candidacy of the man who'd be one the most progressive Senators?


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Past Is Prologue (0.00 / 0)
I didn't speak up until someone else raised similar issues, and I'm not telling anyone what they should do.  I'm just saying how it seems to me.  Believe me, if Tasini had done a bang-up job as NWU President, I'd be letting you know that, too.

I sincerely hope we do get a real, credible challenger we can get behind.  For one thing, as Chris has noted with respect to Tom Geoghegan, netsroot supporters came away looking badly out of touch, and lacking credibility. And Goehegan has a very solid record of accomplishment compared to Tasini.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If God has wanted us to vote. . . . (4.00 / 1)
The difference is that Tasini did get 17% (iirc) against Hillary-so you can pretty much assume he'll be able to build off of that in the race against Gillibrand.

That said, I agree with some of your misgivings-we should be able to come up with a significantly more credible progressive candidate, but it seems with very few exceptions we almost never do.

That raises the broader topic of the taboo against active participation in electoral politics.  Chomsky's line about "trying himself in advance for the war crimes he is about to commit" upon taking office as president always seemed to me to express a dangerously cynical assumption which has wide currency among the left.

Sorry to go off on a tangent-but I think it is relevant.  


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Past is (4.00 / 1)
sometimes prologue--exactly my point.

A "credible challenger we can get behind?" Well, where is she or he?

Tasini is a credible, if flawed, challenger we should be able to get behind, and he's a lot more progressive that any more prominent candidate who might emerge.

As for Goeghegan, I suppose it's too bad his loss made netroots supporters look bad (I, for one, didn't mind how it made me look), but in any case, he didn't have widespread netroots support--if he had, he would've had a better chance of winning. That was, what, five or six person field? Here we have a strong progressive running against the worst kind of Democrat. Position-wise, it's Wellstone v. Bayh. If we sit this one out because we're worried about how it's going to make us look, how's that make us look?


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To be quite frank (0.00 / 0)
He's got fine stances on the issues but his past campaign and record as a union head are not particularly inspiring. I don't want to put effort into a candidate who has no idea how to win.

Gillibrand isn't perfect but she's far from the worst Senator or even close. She's becoming a solid progressive vote in the Senate. It's not worth wasting our time trying to beat a pretty progressive person with someone who hasn't shown he can run a viable campaign.


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I think we have different (0.00 / 0)
definitions of progressive.

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More than that... (0.00 / 0)
If no progressive Democrats can be found to run against recalcitrant politicians, candidates whose records give weight to their campaign rhetoric, we can and should throw our support behind third party candidates - and no whining about how they "can't win."  They shan't if we never give any serious or lasting support to them.  It seems the only real way we're ever going to put the fear into Democrats is by letting them know in no uncertain terms that they need us, but we do not need them.  I can think of no better way to accomplish that than with a few high-profile losses to independent progressive candidates.



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Fear They Understand. Policy, Not So Much (4.00 / 11)
Sad to say, I think that the last Democratic leader who really knew how to fight back against fear was LBJ.  He became the youngest Senate Minority Leader after McCarthyism enabled the Reps to gain control of the Senate in the 1952 election.  He was the general in charge of re-taking the Senate and he did it one term.  The next election cycle after that, 1958, the Dems crushed the Reps, picking up 3 open seats and defeating ten Rep incumbents.  During this time, Johnson was THE man in passing the 1957 Civil Rights Act--an incredible feat for a Southern politician.

Unfortunately, while Johnson chose to fight like hell, rather than accommodate, when it came to his Senate leadership, he lost his nerve as President.  McCarthyism might well have died on the vine if not for the outbreak of the Korean War.  So LBJ saw Vietnam predominantly through that lens--as a war he couldn't afford to lose, walk away from, or even seem to be surprised by.  And it was that fear--the exact opposite of the fearlessness he had otherwise shown--that ultimately brought the Dems down, handed the 1968 election to Nixon, and began a 40-year period of Dem leadership running from their own shadows.

I had hoped that the 2008 election--which had all the hallmarks of a realigning election--would signal a real break with all that, and that Democratic policy would come to the fore once again.  But week after week, day after day, hour after hour fear has been eroding the best of what the Democrats have proposed.  Fear has been driving out reason.  They don't even think to reason, because they are too afraid.

That's why the only answer is to make them more afraid of us than they are of anything else.

It's not an ideal solution, by any means.  It's just that right now, in our current historical situation, it's the only thing that will work.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


We changed the President, and added a few new Democrats. (4.00 / 5)
You can list better than I which of the new seats are truly progressive, represent the real demand for change in American life. But its not a wave of idealists. So we have many of the same controlled by fundraising fear based dems who can't see the landscape, because everyone else in their club is too.

What they fear isn't "us" and probably wont be. What they fear is a mobilized committed active citizenry.

I want policy passed, oh yes I do, but possibly even more important, is an activated population. America want s single payer, America has to be taught HOW TO DEMAND Single Payer.

Single payer is an example, but it may just also be the rallying cry, linchpin and educational example of what it is we are fighting for. A democracy that is organized for its people. ("Oh, you mean we can do that?")

We need to turn people on to the potential of their country; their democracy; their power.

America wants "universal healthcare" we should help them demand it. We should warn them they aren't getting it.


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Well, what REALLY Created The 40 Years In the Wilderness? (0.00 / 0)
The war in Vietnam certainly didn't help Democrats, but the war has been over now for nearly 35 years and yet working class whites, especially in the South, are STILL alienated from the Democratic party.

Looking at the makeup of the 1948 election -- the last of the New Deal Coalition gives us the important point. Truman's strength was in the solid South. He won every state south of the Mason Dixon line, except those "States Rights" segregationist Stom Thurman won (AL, MS, LA). In 1960 Kennedy won TX, LA, AR, MO, GA, AL, SC, NC, WV and the election.

It was the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that shifted Southern (and Northern) racist whites from the Democrats to the Republicans starting in 1968 and created the Nixon-Reagan coalition that just ended in 2008.

Forged at a time when minority voting was less than 10% the Southern Strategy has finally doomed the Republicans. But, it was race politics that gave Republicans their edge for 40 years.

"Crime," "welfare queens," the "undeserving poor," "Willie Horton," etc. The Republican party has made a living for the last 40 years demonizing minorities. And why? Because all too many rural and working class whites blame minorities for "getting ahead" at their expense and resent any government programs seen as helping them. (Bill Clinton's entire "the era of big-government is over" was designed to reassure rural and Southern whites that he would eliminate government "handouts" to minorities).

That's what "new Democrat" meant -- a Democrat who wouldn't favor the interests of urban, largely minority voters. It was a strategy designed to mollify Southern and rural voters.

I think if the Vietnam war had never been, Nixon would STILL have won election by 1972 -- or the Southern Strategy would have elected some other Republican. Probably without Nixon (and thus Watergate) Ronald Reagan would have won election in 1976 -- or 1980 assuming a Republican incumbent in 1976.


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Two words: Great Society (0.00 / 0)
And two more: civil rights.

Sure, Vietnam sucked.  But in terms of domestic policy LBJ was, in my opinion, the best President we've ever had (except maybe FDR, but it's very close).


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Googlebomb (0.00 / 0)
My understanding of googlebomb change is they now require the linked page and linking page to correspond.  For example, it used to be you could link miserable failure to whitehouse.gov and Google would pick that up.  The change prevented that from working.

The McCain linking done the past year still was workable because we were linking McCain's name to articles about him.


5/1/10: Mayday on Wall Street (4.00 / 4)
OK, I'll bite.  I know that, in general, the netroots has been dubious about the role of street demonstrations; Kos, in particular, has been particularly dismissive about them-a subject we debated here a while back.

While keeping in mind that there are reasons for skepticism, here's my proposal: the netroots begins organizing for a major demonstration on Wall Street on May 1, 2010.   The idea will be to re-form the coalition of peace, labor, health care, and environmental organizations (more or less along similar lines to the WTO demonstrations in Seattle) all of whom have been shut out by an administration, congress, and judiciary more or less under the complete control of financial interests.

Making a convincing case for channeling our energies in this direction obviously requires considerably more background than I'm providing here.

For now I'll leave it at that to see whether others view this as  a constructive proposal and might be interested in taking the ball and running with it.


i say we should do it in washington. (0.00 / 0)
the problems with a protest of wall street are legion:

1) there is no history of progressive protests at/of wall street that i can think of.  new york city in general?  that's a different story.  but washington has been the scene of a number of historic mobilizations, and a protest there would be legible w/rt that history.  

2) too much risk that the protest gets muddied with generalized anti-finance capital (read: anti-Semitic) groups/messages.  

3) by protesting at wall street we would make it quite clear that we are against corporate malpractice, but we would not be implicitly embracing something different.  by protesting in DC, there is a sense that we are calling for a new form of democracy, a revitalized democratic system.  a protest in NYC risks being seen as essentially nihilistic (think pitchforks).    


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Moving beyond fear (4.00 / 2)
 As in so many other areas, we need to move beyond fear-in this case the fear that we will be perceived as or associated with the lunatic fringe whether of the left or the right.

After all, one of the recurrent themes on Open Left is that the obsession with maintaining "credibility", "seriousness" and respectability is one of the main reasons why liberals consistently settle for nothing better than the least worst option.

As for this particular case, in fact, the enemy is "finance capital."  Or showing that we recognize this and are able to form a coalition protesting it is precisely what will instill fear among the PTB-the topic of this thread.

The proposed Mayday date is a crucial element in the strategy.  You can be sure that the right wing will not want to have any association with that!  So there's no danger that they will turn out for it.

It seems, though, that the consensus is that what I'm proposing isn't meeting with much approval here.  Maybe that's due to its being a bad idea-or perhaps Kosnick sentiments are the predominant ones, even here at OL, on this question.


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all fair points... (0.00 / 0)
yes, it doesn't seem that this idea of organizing a may day rally is meeting with a whole lot of support ... unfortunately.

i just wanted to make a minor substantive response to your post:

i don't think that the concern listed in #2 above was motivated primarily by 'fear,' but rather a critical evaluation of what messages would be sent depending on where the event were held, and what groups would be more inclined to support the action depending on where the event were held.  point #2 wasn't made in isolation from the other points.  my interest is in helping to figure out where a protest would a) get the most support from a broad left-wing coalition and b) be most effective in changing the national discourse around economic policy.  

yes, we are against the current iterations of finance capital, the oversized weight of banking and speculation in our economy, and the abuses that have taken place on wall street.  we are for reforming this system, at a minimum.  but we are also for single payer healthcare, the taxation of carbon emissions, EFCA, fair trade, et al.   all of those messages would be buried if the protest were at wall street.  


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Who calls the shot? (4.00 / 2)
But the linch pin to progress on all of these issues is finance capital-that of the insurance and pharma industry (preventing substantive movement on health care), on EFCA (opposed by virtually every sector), carbon tax (overwhelmingly opposed by energy consortia and utilities) etc.

Wall Street requires that these industries to do as they do-a pharma CEO who chose not to lobby against single payer would be immediately pulled by Wall Street pressure.  And, of course, the entire economic team of the Obama administration was recruited from Goldman Sachs.

In fact, I had a more specific recommendation: the demo should be 80 Broad St.-Goldman main office.

We do agree that we've got a lot of work to do if we want to convince the netroots to take this on: whether in Washington or on Wall Street.  


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why do we listen to Kos? (4.00 / 4)
Of course demonstrations are effective. No significant change has ever happened in this country without demonstrations. They are only one tool among many, but demonstrations are important.

Really, just because Kos is a gifted impressario of online communities, it doesn't follow that he is knowledgeable about anything else, other than employing a know-it-all tone in his not very informative writing.  


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Demonstrations are good, but only if done right (4.00 / 2)
I have planned several and attended hundreds of demonstrations over the years. Demonstrations can be very powerful and effective in bringing about change.

But, generally, demonstrations should demonstrate that you have power and will wield it well. They should show that you can stop something or make something happen that the power elite don't want to happen and also that you have good reasons for exercising this power. So, for example, they might illuminate the structural violence that terrorized black people in the South so that everyone in the world could see it clearly (Selma march). Or demonstrate that 3,000 people could nonviolently surround and shut down the World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle in 1999 while supported by 60,000 environmentalists and steelworkers working in tandem.

Just calling a date and a place and asking people to show up usually only illuminates the struggles of leftist organizations to control the microphone and show the world that lots of anarchists like to trash authority. This is not very helpful. No wonder Kos hates demonstrations.

A good demonstration would illuminate what is wrong and demonstrate a clear, positive alternative -- or at least an alternative group of people who appear trustworthy and responsible who can be trusted to pose effective and responsible alternatives.

The Seattle demonstration went as well as it did because people did great organizing for 5 years about why the WTO was bad and what a good alternative would be. They worked to bring together environmentalists, steelworkers, and progressives. They taught tens of thousands of people in nonviolent action and built a reasonably strong consensus-based decision-making structure that could make good decisions. First, we need to duplicate this kind of effort, then call the demonstration to show off what has been created.


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Change Congress vs. Ben Nelson (4.00 / 12)
Metamars has a diary--"Scoring a Victory" (Change-Congress vs. Sen Ben Nelson)--that points to another impressive fear-inducing effort that's worth supporting.

A combined strategy of online ads and targeting donors with information about what Nelson was up to generated media attention, and really got to Nelson.

This is from a Change Congres email:

This week, Change Congress scored a major victory against U.S. Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) after he fell victim to what I call "Good Souls Corruption" -- good people trapped in a broken campaign-finance system they refuse to fix.

   Ben Nelson probably hates us right now -- or at least me. But that's OK, it was worth it. Here's what happened.

   Nelson has received over $2 million from health and insurance interests who oppose President Obama's public health insurance option. Those companies fear competition. 71% of rural voters support it.

   Who did Nelson side with?

   You guessed it -- in May, he sided with the insurance interests against the citizens of Nebraska, calling the public option a "deal breaker."

   So Change Congress launched $10,000 of online ads, letting Nebraska voters know about Nelson's special-interest money. We also sent 3,000 direct-mail pieces to Democratic donors throughout the state. This generated state and national news stories for over a week (and apparently freaked Nelson out).

   After an intense 11-day battle with Nelson, he's now publicly "open" to the public option -- and yesterday, he made more news by saying he won't join a filibuster of Obama's plan. One of our local supporters even got a personal phone call from the Senator yesterday, during which Nelson tried to explain away his special-interest contributions!

....

   As Mother Jones nicely put it:

      "Maybe the reason members of Congress are responding so defensively is that CC is striking a little too close to home. Apparently members of Congress are shocked by the nerve-the nerve!-of people who tell them that taking huge amounts of money from the industries they're in charge of regulating reeks of corruption."




"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

Filibuster (4.00 / 1)
Unfortunately, it seems all they got out of Nelson is a promise to not filibuster a bill that he couldn't filibuster anyway.

Still, rhetoric matters.  This provides cover for others to vote for the public plan, I suppose; at least in their own little minds.  Seeing these guys scared like this is always good.


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He Can't Fillibuster If They Go Budget Reconciliation (4.00 / 2)
Which it certainly looks like they will.  But since that's not 100% yet, this is just a tad more than rhetoric alone. Half a tad, at least.

More importantly, it was something he could do to signal at least some measure of surrender.  This means Change Congress is well positioned to repeat this strategy in the future.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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This is excellent news! (4.00 / 1)
Surgical strike spending. But large enough to really matter.

I think Change Congress has lines on good fund raising, but it can always get better. In terms of what I wondered their focus of action was going to be, this is very very good news indeed.

Obama wants single payer, he has said so publicly, but he doesnt think the congress is capable, doesn't think the people are organized, thinks the money in the country is out to kill it and wants a big step forward done. Obama wants action, and wont wait for perfect. I think the fight against the policy he feels confident will win, can win, is exposing the corruption and moneyed interests that control this democracy.

Its a clear frame, you cant even get this paltry change, despite voting for, despite electing Change, despite having generations of soldiers fighting for democracy, this democracy is drowning under lobbyists and corporate campaign contributions.

We need single payer democrats in 2010. We need an agitated citizenry demanding it.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Obama does NOT want single-payer. (0.00 / 0)
There is absolutely NOTHING in his ACTUAL record that suggests he supports single-payer.  What should we all have learned by now when it comes to what Obama SAYS, versus what he DOES or DOES NOT do?  They are two entirely different and separate creatures.



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We need to build a movement that is outside of the democratic party (4.00 / 3)
but seen as an ally that can be won over if progressive positions are in teh forefront of any campaign. We need to make our money and our numbers contingent, and no longer taken for granted.

The Democratric Party belongs to progressives , women, workers and people of color. (4.00 / 3)
It is our Party.

I think its time we convince the spineless, the bought off, the corporately controlled to find a movement outside the Democratic Party.

You can have my democratic party when you take it from my cold dead hand.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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And the LGBT community, the science eductaion and knowledge community, the peace community and environmentalists. (4.00 / 1)
People who want progress. People who want to mo0ve past the lies and diversions created by the Bush Base.

I like this coalition. What it needs is better leaders, but the crappy dems are the result of a dispirited, distracted, despairing population. People to be busy to be citizens.

Citizen is the highest calling of a human being. Schools are for creating citizens, not consumers or workers. Being an American citizen is obviously not just a massive honor and benefit, it is a massive responsibility. It isnt somebody else's job. It isn't too dirty, or too loud or too hard.

Personally I think college should be boot camp for citizenship. "Did you miss a vote for council? DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY FROSH!"

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Ultimately (0.00 / 0)
The only way we can get the Beltway Dems to fear us is if we give them a legitimate reason to fear losing our votes.  They are afraid of swing voters and moneyed interests not because they are scary, but because not having them is scary -- because they are afraid those people will leave and support Republicans.  I think we have to give them the same fear.

I will not vote for any Democrat ever again who doesn't show the courage of their convictions, and I may vote for some Republicans who do.  But how do you make other progressives act the same way?  That, to me, is the real problem.  As annoying as people like Specter and Lieberman and Landrieu and Lincoln are, they aren't the roadblocks any more than the Republicans are.  The roadblocks are the progressives and New Dems who themselves constitute majorities in both houses of Congress, but who are unwilling to stand up to the Specters and Liebermans and Landrieus and Lincolns, any more than they were willing to stand up to the Republicans.  And also the progressives and New Dems in our midst who are unwilling to stand up to those in Congress.

We need to fight a culture of cowardice on the left, and I'm not quite sure how to do that.  But I do think it involves, as you say, striking fear into the hearts of those who agree with us but won't fight for us or with us.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...


Forget the Republicans. (0.00 / 0)
Go independent.



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We need to get Machiavellian. (0.00 / 0)
We need something like:

A) A willingness to cut off our noses to spite our faces--in the service of a long-term progressive gain. We need to be willing to lose, to do damage to the short-term progressive position to prove that we're willing to do that damage if you ignore us.

B) The unity to focus our attention as a community, long-term and strategically, instead of chasing the shiny object du jour. This is the one I worry we can't achieve.

C) The ability to identify the weak links in the power structure, without getting all goopy and bleeding-heart. Maybe we can't touch Obama, for example, or Reid, so which politician can we undercut who they care about? Attack their weakest ally, even if the ally is good on the issues.

D) The resources to hurt the PTB. Not take them down. Not win. Just a bee sting. People are afraid of bee stings. I think primaries, even unsuccessful ones, are good bee stings. But maybe just as good--and easier to organize--is some kind of widespread mockery. We're good at mockery, and it's really affordable. If we aimed all our ire (and email) at any protege of Harry Reid's, say, for months on end, and loudly broadcast our rationale, that might help.


We have the Paaaaawr! (4.00 / 2)
Well put.

From the perspective of institutional interests, a reaction of fear (and anger) are sure signs that their hold on power is being truly threatened.

Even the nicest of folks rarely (if ever) relinquish or distribute power willingly. They're not going to give any of this away. It has to be taken. Fear is a great indicator that this is happening.

As for ideas, defunding the Third Way sounds neat. So does building a networked lobbying effort to put home-state pressure on Sen. and Reps. Give people a dose of real fear when they're outside the bubble, maybe they stick with us a bit better when they head back in.

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Two big issues that people are very emotional about (4.00 / 2)
1. Banks
2. Universal Healthcare
Somehow these two issues need to be agitated.

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You are logged in. So you have your password (0.00 / 0)
If you forget your password, you can have it reset. Just log out and the options are available, up under the personal area top right corner column.

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Yes and no (4.00 / 2)
Chris,
I agree with you that they only respond to what they are afraid of. I also agree that Dean and Lamont made them afraid. Not sure about the googlebomb.

As soon as the dems took over it became obvious that they couldn't care less about us or even about the Progressive caucus. There was no way Obama or anyone else was going to get elected without the seal of approval of the banksters and corporatists. Those who deluded themselves into thinking Obama was something that he isn't are now learning the reality.

As for Sestak, He's my congresscritter. I like him for a lot of reasons, but he ain't no progressive. Probably the best we can do in Delaware and Chester Counties, but still . . . . he votes for war supplimentals-won't stop funding the troops-and he voted for FISA. The folks at FDL and elsewhere will not put the effort into him that they did Ned for just that reason. How strong are the netroots organizers in PA without the national platform?

And yes, I agree that Arlen HAS to GO. I'll volunteer for Joe and throw some money his way, but I don't think we can mobilize the DFH's around the country for him the way we did for Ned and PA is a MUCH larger state.

Where does that leave us?

I don't know.


I think a Sestak win will strike a huge blow at the forces of complacent centrism (0.00 / 0)
Arlen Specter is the very embodiment of complacent centrism: do what it takes to win the election and then do nothing for the next six years other than stalling/blocking liberal legislation.  For that very reason Sestak needs to beat him.

I know Sestak isn't terribly liberal himself and this isn't like 2006 when I genuinely supported Ned Lamont rather than just opposing Joe Lieberman.  In this case, supporting Sestak is all about taking out Specter, and not about electing Sestak.  Besides Sestak being significantly better than Specter, a Sestak win will be interpreted by everyone as a victory for the left and a defeat for the moderate and conservative Democrats in the Senate, and that will do wonders in putting fear into the hearts of the special interests.

The other vulnerable centrist Democrat I think we have a chance of taking out from the left in 2010 is Michael Bennet.  We have to replace him with a real liberal too.  But for 2012 I think we need to start concentrating our energy and resources into defeating Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman.  And yes, I think we can get and we deserve something better than Ben Nelson even in a state like Nebraska.


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honestly (4.00 / 2)
I would have thought Al Wynn's defeat would have woken up a lot of complacent, safe, pro-corporate Dems to start behaving better.  Has it happened?  A strong challenge to someone like Charlie Rangel would shake things up.

Re the public option: get someone to introduce legislation (0.00 / 0)
to strip members of Congress and their staff of the public option a la John Aravosis's campaign at Americablog:

http://www.americablog.com/200...


Agree heartily with cold blue reason (0.00 / 0)
This is precisely what I've been advocating for many months. Let the congress see how it feels to be out in the cold like so many millions of Americans!

Sestak is a decent idea (0.00 / 0)
in part because we could play the two of them off each other. For example, Specter is an original co-sponsors on Jim Webb's crime bill, which has no House version.  Sestak should be pressured to introduce it.  Sestak is a key player on repealing DADT, which has no Senate version.  Specter ought to be pressured to introduce one.  

But I don't think that will scare anyone but Specter.  I agree that Donna Edwards was successful but did little in the fear department.

Might I suggest: taking out Steny Hoyer. Sure, its harder than most options, but I think that would scare the hell out of them.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


Specter's fear (0.00 / 0)
I actually expect Specter to be one of our best Senators for the next year and a half.  I don't trust him after that point, but I think this process will be very useful.

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It would actually ... (0.00 / 0)
be easier to take out Pelosi than it would be to take out Hoyer .. Hoyer basically has all the politicos in his district .. in his pocket

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It would be nice (0.00 / 0)
but yeah it'd be very difficult.

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Empowering the fearless (4.00 / 2)
I think you're right about all of your reasoning, I would like to suggest that there's another way to affect long-term change--and that is to empower people who are not afraid of the traditional power structures. That means electing progressives, but more importantly it means winning in a fashion that teaches them that their ascent to power came on the backs of the grassroots, the netroots, and other progressive insitutions, so that even before we even feel the need to make threats against them to counter those of the establishment, they will already have shrugged off the establishment's threats like so many currently shrug off ours.

It also means other things outside of elections, like supporting other progressive institutions--but inevitably, that work becomes relevant in this context only by way of those institutions' enhanced ability to influence the decision-makers, either by elevating the fearless decision-makers we have, or by making more effective those projects where we really have the potential to to scare the establishment.

In that sense, there are really two sides of the coin--we make and measure change largely by how and when we are able to scare the establishment; and when the iron is hot we have to have powerful progressive institutions ready to execute.

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For dramatic change, we need to dramatically change the cost/benefit calculus that elected officials make (4.00 / 1)
Quoting myself, with some minor editing:


We need:

1) decent candidates
2) crowd funding of those decent candidates' campaigns
3) a way to lower the cost of campaigning (more specifically, cost per vote) for the decent candidates.
4) a way to increase the cost of campagning (i.e., make the campaigning less effect, effectively increasing the cost per vote) for indecent incumbents

Regarding 2), see this link. (see 9:50 into the video). Obama may have exploited crowd-sourcing very effectively by filling the electorate with "hope" for "change", but these often were poorly defined visions that allowed 'brand Obama' to facilitate the projection of the electorates' fantasies onto Obama. There is no reason, however, that crowdfunding can't be exploited by non-corporatist candidates.

Regarding 1), whether or not the decent candidate should run as a Democrat, Republican or other party is not something I want to get into. I will simply state that, due to hurdles that Democrats and Republicans have erected in many precincts, I think it's a much smarter strategy to concentrate on taking the dominant parties over. If you don't think that your ethical 3rd party will not be targetted for corruption once it attains a big enough size to make a difference, you're sadly mistaken.

I have also defined a 'Pre-Candidate and Candidate' pipeline project, at DemocracyABC.org, to solve 1). No work done on it yet, but hopefully it, or something similar, will take off. The internet lowers the barrier to entry in providing information to a mass audience to a very low amount. Amazingly, IMO, that wasn't done for maximum effectiveness by either McCain or Obama in '08. I say that based on the paucity of videos that were available on their own campaign web sites.

Regarding 4), I have proposed an Ostracism Project (link here), which I ran by Lawrence Lessig, of Change Congress, who pronounced it "very cool".

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Thom Hartmann on taking over the Democratic Party from below


More at The Real News

One way OpenLeft and the OpenLeft community could help bring this about is by helping me test the sites (when they're ready) as at least pseudo early adopters (and hopefully, an actual early adopter). OpenLeft front-pagers can serve as members of a 'Guru'  level of Voter Guides. References to a GroupThink Incident Vote referring web site will carry over with a visitor/voter. Once there, they can 'tell a friend', who will get informed of not just the referring friend, but also the referring web site (OpenLeft, in this example), who referred the referring friend. (Here is a mockup of what an Incident Vote web page will look like, as currently envisionied.)

Also, somebody please tell Adam Green, or somebody else at ActBlue, to start thinking about implementing a legal, financial, web-based application that DemocracyABC (and others) can use to forward disgruntled voters to when their {cough} {cough} 'representative' shafts them, yet again, so that they can put their money where their disgruntlement is. (Err, something like that.) Voters need a way to put money away for an incumbents' defeat, at the time they've been dissed, even if they don't yet know who the opposition candidates will be. This will give a whole new meaning to "Come November, we'll remember." When you've invested $2,000 in a Senator's defeat, even before you know who your options are for running against him or her, you will not only remember what it was about them that so annoyed you, but will also tell all of your friends.

We discussed that, previously, here at openleft. I personally have no background in finance, election law, etc. I'll probably hit up a relative with an MBA for help in developing an open spec (plus make a start at accumulating the business/legal rules), but I have no idea if he's available, plus he probably knows next to nothing about election law. So he's likely to refuse on that basis, also.

Even a closed, completely proprietary system at a single funding portal, which will not make any financial information available as a web service (even as a way of saying "thank-you"), is better than no option, at all. Consequently, if that's the best I can link to, early on, so be it.


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ANd the LGBT community, the science eductaion and knowledge community, the peace community and environmentalists. (0.00 / 0)
People who want progress. People who want to mo0ve past the lies and diversions created by the Bush Base.

I like this coalition. What it needs is better leaders, but the crappy dems are the result of a dispirited, distracted, despairing population. People to be busy to be citizens.

Citizen is the highest calling of a human being. Schools are for creating citizens, not consumers or workers. Being an American citizen is obviously not just a massive honor and benefit, it is a massive responsibility. It isnt somebody else's job. It isn't too dirty, or too loud or too hard.

Personally I think college should be boot camp for citizenship. "Did you miss a vote for council? DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY FROSH!"

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


WTO in Seattle (0.00 / 0)
That got to 'em alright.

And in my opinion, that protest is what started the end of the Reagan era, and the beginning of what is now slowly becoming a movement.


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