Can You Please Put A Pricetag On That Shakedown?

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Jun 12, 2009 at 12:34


The House Agriculture Committee is threatening to hold up the climate change bill unless the USDA, rather than the EPA, is granted oversight of the bill's proposed carbon credit program:

Democrats and Republicans on the committee took turns criticizing the legislation. Their chief complaint is that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, rather than the U.S. Department of Agriculture, would be in a charge of the credit program through which farmers could get paid for practices that store crop residue in the soil or otherwise reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.

"As this bill stands today, I can't vote for it," Rep. Leonard Boswell, D-Ia., told Vilsack. "I don't know of anyone else in the committee who can."

While Democrats threatening to block climate change legislation may seem frustrating to progressives, there is a refreshing aspect to what the Agriculture Committee is doing here. Rather than making some vague ideological argument or stating they will never support the bill no matter what, Committee Chair Collin Peterson has made it clear that the committee members were actually just looking for a payoff in their districts (more in the extended entry):

Chris Bowers :: Can You Please Put A Pricetag On That Shakedown?

At one point, the committee's chairman, Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn., held up a copy of an EPA analysis of the House bill showing there would likely be few credits awarded to farmers.

"This is why a lot of us on the committee do not want the EPA near our farmers," Peterson said.

In other words, this actually has nothing to do with the whether the EPA or the USDA regulates the credit program. Instead, it is entirely about guaranteeing that more of these credits are given to farmers, no matter who regulates the program. Given that credits are basically just money, Collin Peterson has made it clear that, in order to pass the climate change bill, the Agriculture Committee just wants the government to hand over several billion dollars to the farmer's in the districts of the members on the committee.

While this is a little unseemly, at least the Agriculture Committee has made its demands clear. They oppose climate change legislation not based on any ideological principle, but rather because they want more money for their constituents in exchange for passing climate change legislation. As I said, it is better than just making vague and incoherent claims about, say, socialism. This is the sort of demand we can work with.

If what members of the Agriculture Committee want in order to pass climate change legislation is more money for farmers, why don't we just start handing out cash to farmers? Cash would be better than these credits, since it both gives the farmers the money they want but doesn't exempt them from reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Everyone wins.

Of course, in order to do this, the Agriculture Committee would first need to specific exactly how much cash they want directed to the farmer's in their districts. While it could be as high as $24 billion, that would still be a small price to pay for mitigating climate change.

So maybe where we go from here is for the Agriculture Committee to provide a list of the amount of cash they want to see funneled to each farmer in their district. Once the federal government provides the cash, in exchange they vote for climate change legislation. Viola--everyone is happy.

Now, many people might object to this. I mean, really, should members of the United States Congress be given massive bribes in order to pass legislation? Isn't that, well, unseemly? Sure, I guess. I'm pretty sure that handing people money in exchange for votes is the very definition of a shakedown. However, keep in mind that members of the Agriculture Committee are the ones making this demand, not me.


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They need to stop using the term farmers too (4.00 / 1)
Because a muti-billion dollar global corporation that shakes down everyone in their path and controls our food supply should not share the same honorable and traditional name as a farmer.

They should be referred to as "Organic Resource Harvesters" or something more orwellian sounding...


If they're not based on any ideological principle (0.00 / 0)
Does that make them pragmatic?  Sorry, couldn't resist.

But this is just the way politics works.  Progressives could do things like demand more money for mass transit in order to pass a flawed highway bill, for example.  It's the same thing to me.  That's the true nature of political compromise.

And the related question is: who do we have to bribe to pass a public option on health care?

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It's not "pragmatism", it's Horse Trading you describe (4.00 / 1)
Indeed, this is precisely the kind of "compromise" that led to the deaths of thousands in NOLA, because we couldn't manage to fund the repair of the levees. Those funds were "compromised" away to something else obviously "more pragmatic," as were most of the "reconstruction" resources afterwards. Gotta love that pragmatism.

I'm not against compromise, but when those who control the process are in the hip pockets of those who would rather endanger the lives of many rather than deal with something as grave as global warming, one should step back and take a good look at one's alleged "pragmatism."

Compromise will occur in any legislative project, but what are we trading and at what price to society and the future of said society? In this case, all the trading is being done by vested interests looking to turn a climate change bill into a porkfest for themselves. That is undoubtedly what it will be.

But at least it will be a pragmatic, buy-partisan bill and that's the whole point, isn't it? Why the National Interest isn't considered "pragmatic" is a mystery to me. Wait, no it's not... We've confused corruption with "pragmatism." Yeah, that's the ticket.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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Of course it's horse trading (0.00 / 0)
I model the Democratic Party as acting somewhat like a coalition of smaller parties such as you would find in a parliamentary system, rather than as a big party.

If we lived in a government like Israel's system, what ministries should progressives offer centrist Democrats and Blue Dogs to induce them to form a center-left rather than a center-right coalition?  I've always been an advocate of holding firm on liberal economic issues and buying cooperation with compromises on non-economic issues, so I'd prefer to use ministries dealing with non-economic issues as trading chips.

I sincerely believe that progressives need to engage in horse trading to maximize political effect, but I don't feel as if there is any sense of prioritization in order to give a sense of what to hold firm on and what to compromise on to win votes for key issues.  The House Progressive Caucus insisting on a public option is a start and there needs to be more of that.  I would argue for holding Afghanistan-related legislation hostage, withholding things like body armor from the troops if necessary to get the point across.

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Withholding body armor? Methinks not. (4.00 / 1)
I see your point, but I disagree about holding soldiers hostage to make a point. That's a GOP-WH-ConservaDem tactic: look at how they are using the supplemental to give $100B to Euro banks and totally trash FOIA. Very Bush-like and Jane Hamsher has been doing a bang-up job fighting that nonsense over at Firedoglake... go sign up to make some calls if you can.

But the power center in DC can get away with it, because they control the bulk of the corporate media. We can't, for obvious reasons. A progressive gets a parking ticket and it becomes an act of "treason" or moral turpitude. So we have to keep it reasonably clean. But moral and intellectual superiority has advantages too.

As to what I think is your broader point, being politically aggressive, I very much agree. Take the issue of this thread, Anthropogenic Global Warming. The progressive coalition doesn't even have the backing of the big enviro groups.

This issue in particular doesn't really allow much horse trading early on, because it will always devolve into the current cesspool dealing we are seeing on Waxman-Markey.

AGW is a life threatening issue. Fate Of The Nation stuff. It's easily the only issue besides healthcare in which making the most forceful stand for the National Interest is the only way to get anything done. But right now, far too many people are willing to piss our collective future away just to make some deals for profit. Progressives aren't to blame for this. They're merely bystanders in all this at the moment. It's the pseudo-centrists that are the problem, as they are too busy making money to do the right thing.

We need public opinion. We need real debate. We need to WIN said debate. We need ad buys, opeds, public events, organizing and so on. We need the Big Enviros to get off their hypocritical asses and start thinking outside the proverbial box. We need POTUS to keep his (bleeping) promise, if just this once!

This is one issue that has to be gotten right rather soon. It's a huge project, getting people to appreciate their own peril, or more properly their children's peril. We have the simultaneous problems of Peak Oil and AGW. Both represent mountainous challenges as well as opportunities and it will take a couple decades to make the changes we need to make to avoid catastrophe.

So when I see all this horse trading, I'm seeing waste, fraud and corruption. It's just business as usual when it's the last thing we should be tolerating. Indeed, it's the same thing as doing nothing, but with a much higher price tag to the taxpayer.

There are lots of issues where the normal processes are okay, to some extent.

This isn't one of them. Healthcare too, when you consider the mere possibility of the Swine Flu coming back next fall with 1918 Flu Pandemic qualities.

Some things are just too important to be left to such slimy devices.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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I'm probably being overdramatic (0.00 / 0)
When I talk about withholding body armor, although if it guarantees passage of a good health care plan or strong environmental protection, then doing so would result in a net saving of lives, if you care about utilitarian calculus.

There was a time when I was studying to be an engineer before I decided I didn't like it.  The important lesson I learned is that 100% efficiency is a pointless goal.  There's always going to be waste, fraud, and corruption, and the goal is to get those down to manageable levels and possibly to redirect such things to where they do the least harm.

If we lived in a multi-party parliamentary system, my advice to progressives would be to cave in to social conservatives to buy their votes on things like climate change because I think that fighting global warming is that much more important.  Unfortunately, we can't do that sort of horse trading, so I think the most useful bribe that progressives have is military spending.  I'm even willing to pass such things with some NRA pandering amendment or a Lieberman torture photo amendment as a compromise.  I'm just pessimistic about the left being able to even countenance such compromises.

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You lost me at your proposed compromises (0.00 / 0)
I too spent three semesters in physics before I gave it up--I didn't want to go make nuclear weapons, bombs and missiles, which was what everyone else, save a handful, were doing in the early '80s. I've also been an efficiency freak for my whole life and still am, if rather toned down with experience.

But the very idea of selling out several very important positions to get a watered down awful compromise on something else that's absolutely crucial... well, that's not even worth discussing.

To be blunt about this, simply assuming a huge amount of corruption and then buying into it with some silly idea of maybe accomplishing 10% of one set out to do is the height of laziness. Both intellectual and philosophical.

To address your two items, unregulated guns in national parks will result in: 1) poaching and 2), dead rangers who encroach on poachers and that's just for starters. Violent crime will skyrocket in national parks that already can't deal with the amount of law enforcement duties they already have. That, of course, is the NRA's real point in that item. Crime scares people and encourages them to buy more guns. Fear is their operating principle as a business model. You should be smart enough to see that, especially as one who studied engineering for any amount of time. Physics is easier than engineering, if I recall correctly. Until grad school, anyway.

As for Graham-Lieberman, if you really consider yourself a progressive in any real sense, you should know damn well that amendment is an obvious attempt at vastly increasing government secrecy, especially as it applies to covering up blatant criminal activities. It's inherently anti-democratic and authoritarian in nature and intent... and transparently so. American progressivism stands completely opposed to such ideas and rightly so.

So how can any real progressive reconcile these things? One can't.

There is a reason why some people are drawn to progressivism. They are rational, logical, reasonably aware people who have principles that aren't necessarily easy to live by. Honesty matters. Integrity matters. Reason matters. We like democracy and want it to actually work. What you propose is to pretend it works and act like that's somehow progress. That's the DLC/Third Way/New Dem position on everything, as it turns out.

We aren't so quick to sell out everything just to score one quick goal and call it a day.  

That's what centrists are for. Indeed, that's their raison d'etre. Selling out for profit and then celebrating the "victory."

You seem well intentioned, but I just don't think you get what being a progressive is.



"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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The real problem here is the public is missing from this issue (4.00 / 1)
As long as issues of such massive importance are dealt with in the back offices of K Street, instead of out in the open with a vibrant public debate, this is the best we can possibly hope for. There will be no pushback. Waxman and Markey will shrug and say, "It's the best we could hope for. Maybe in ten years we'll be able to actually do something about this."

But where are the "green" opinion leaders (orgs) on this? AWOL. Why hasn't Sierra-NRDC-Natl Wildlife-the Conservancy- et al made a coalition to direct outreach, education and public opinion in the right direction, with their cumulative billions in resources? They're busy doing business the same way they've been doing business for the last 30 years: standard pluralistic interest group fundraising..."Help us save the XXX from YYY! Send us $50 today! And here's a useless 'gift' you'll just throw away in a few weeks as a token of our appreciation..."

Without a huge, coordinated and sustained effort at building public opinion to the urgency and ultimate fatality (for millions) of this issue, we can expect nothing more than what we're seeing: Big Ag, Big Coal and Big Oil will water this bill down to meaninglessness. This was always the case.

So where is Big Enviro with it's massive mailing lists and money? Where's the issue driven (as opposed to the generic feel-good) ad campaigns? Where's the PR offensive? If those with the means, expertise and understanding of this issue aren't willing to fight this fight outside of standard milquetoast lobbying, where does that leave us? On the outside, looking in ... in utter amazement.



"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


Congress is full of whores (4.00 / 1)
who sell their votes to the highest bidder.

Yeah... (4.00 / 1)
At least the Nevada Legal Brothels have health & safety regulations. So who's looking after "The Best Lil' Whore House on the Potomac"?

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)

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Ridiculous... (4.00 / 1)
So we don't offer enough subsidies to agribusiness? How about we offer "credits" if these companies clean up their act? I have a grave feeling Pelosi & Waxman won't be as tough on them as they should be, but eventually we need to stop rewarding bad behavior.

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)

they want it both ways (0.00 / 0)
They don't want agricultural carbon-dioxide emissions to be counted against them, but they want credits for what they are doing to reduce emissions.

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