Please Play Hardball with Blue Dogs, Too

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Jun 12, 2009 at 14:55


According to Representative Lynn Woolsey, the White House is applying extensive pressure to freshman progressives who oppose either funding for Afghanistan or the funding for the IMF attached the Afghanistan supplemental funding bill.

The White House is playing hardball with Democrats who intend to vote against the supplemental war spending bill, threatening freshmen who oppose it that they won't get help with reelection and will be cut off from the White House, Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) said Friday.

"We're not going to help you. You'll never hear from us again," Woolsey said the White House is telling freshmen. She wouldn't say who is issuing the threats, and the White House didn't immediately return a call. Woolsey said she herself had not been pressured because the White House and leadership know she's a firm no vote. But she had heard from other members about the White House pressure.

I don't think that progressives should rail against the White House applying this extreme level of pressure in the event of the supplemental bill. Really, if you fight against the White House, you should expect serious pushback from the White House.

However, what we should be demanding is an equivalent level of pressure to be placed on conservative Democrats when they cross the White House as well. What Progressives are doing in this instance is exactly what many conservative Democrats have done time and time again: holding up and / or significantly altering Democratic legislation by joining with Republicans. So far, despite many instances of conservative Democratic blocking legislation that the White House publicly endorsed, nothing approaching equivalent pressure has been demonstrated. It is almost enough to make a progressive think that the White House is taking sides in the party.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Please Play Hardball with Blue Dogs, Too
Compared to the one example of progressives blcking the administration on the Afghanistan supplemental, here are five examples in 2009 of conservative Democrats either defeating, watering down, or holding up Obama administration supported policy:

  1. Passage of the full Employee Free Choice Act was prevented earlier this year by six conservative Democrats who flipped their votes from 2007. What pressure has the White House placed on  Tom Carper (DE), Blanche Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Mark Pryor (AR), Arlen Sepcter (PA), Jim Webb (VA) in response?

  2. A gang of twenty or so Senators reduced he stimulus / jobs package by $96 billion. What pressure was placed on the roughly one dozen Democratic members of that gang?

  3. Bankruptcy foreclosure reform, known as "cramdown," was defeated in the Senate back in late April. Eleven Democratic Senators voted against it. What pressure have they received?

  4. The House Agricultural Committee is currently holding up climate change legislation, and demanding a $3.4 billion payout to agribusiness in order to pass it. This is even though that legislation has already been watered down below the targets set by President Obama during his campaign. Many of the Democrats on this committee are electorally vulnerable, and thus potentially susceptible to pressure from the White House. What pressure are they receiving?

  5. The White House has repeatedly reiterated its support for a public option in health care reform. However, Kent Conrad has all but declared that effort dead in the Senate because it lacks the votes. Where is the pressure against Democrats like Mary Landrieu, who have backtracked their earlier support and now stated their opposition to a public plan?
It is difficult to complain about this, or any other, White House playing hardball with members of Congress that oppose their agenda.

However, there is a good reason for progressives to complain about a Democratic White House placing a huge amount of pressure on progressive Democrats in Congress when the White House does not seem to be applying anywhere near the same amount of pressure on conservative Democrats in Congress. This is especially the case given how this is the first time congressional progressives have made such a stand against the Obama administration's agenda, while conservative Democrats have done so repeatedly over the last five months.

Lacking equivalent pressure against Blue Dogs and Senate conservodems, the message from the Obama White House could easily be read as siding with Blue Dogs and Senate conservodems. If the Obama White House wants to avoid this perception, it should start applying equal pressure to all Democrats who oppose one or more of their major agenda items.


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You forgot one Chris (4.00 / 4)
The Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights - where 21 democrats voted against Bernie Sander's amendment to cap/reform usury. The bill we ended up with was one that was significantly weaker than what we could/should have gotten.

Did the Obama administration support the Sanders amendment? (4.00 / 1)
I was looking not for progressive legislation that was blocked, but Obama backed legislation that was watered down or blocked.

I'll add it if you can find a quote showing White House support for the Sanders amendment.


[ Parent ]
Hmm (4.00 / 1)
Cannot find anything on the White House in regards to the Sander's amendment, but found one reference to his position on usury from the campaign trail last year:

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id...

One of the more ambitious ideas he is considering, according to a campaign spokeswoman, would be to restore government regulation of credit card interest rates. The government has not been involved in interest rate regulation for 30 years, after a Supreme Court ruling blocked states from effectively engaging in the practice.

So if he was for this at one point he did nothing to support/pressure a change during the legislative process.


[ Parent ]
Considering (0.00 / 0)
usury was never something he really campaigned for (unfortunately) so it's hard to blame that on him.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

[ Parent ]
Isn't funding the war through supplementals (4.00 / 2)
already a capitulation to the "conservodems"?

I seem to remember this "progressive" President promising to be more transparent and put the war funding back on budget where it belongs?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


all this is also about Lieberman/Graham -- the torture photo ban -- too -- (4.00 / 2)
the administration has been actively supporting that part of this bill -- and continuing the pattern of preventing the release of info and the right to challenge govt in court -- and making crimes by govt legal, like with FISA.

the administration isn't playing this kind of hardball because of IMF funding.


in most of your examples, the Administration was pressuring -- they wanted those things too -- (4.00 / 1)
they did pressure Congress -- to keep the taxcuts and to put in what the right wanted, and to not have regs in the stimulus or TARP, etc.

I Smell Top Rahm'in (4.00 / 4)
The reason the Obamanistas don't have leverage ofer the BlueDawgs is that the Dawgs already have constituencies, alliances, resources, that render them immune to threats in ways the proggie newbies can't begin to match.

This is nothing less than another fucking betrayal by the WhiteHouse, which won't throw the progs even the tiniest of bones--name one Prog issue that's in train for enactment-- and yet threatens to threaten and browbeat and humiliate these supporters to make a point.  


yup -- as usual -- on the billions in flu spending as well -- NYT (4.00 / 1)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes... -- Democrats Link War Spending Votes to Flu Funds

... "I hope anyone who votes against this money is sure they have more medical expertise than the World Health Organization," said Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, who went to the Capitol Thursday to help seal a final agreement on the bill.  ...

the Administration wants all these things in the bill -- and doesn't want what we -- or House "progressives" -- want at all.


[ Parent ]
Two Things Those Fights All Had In Common (4.00 / 6)
The five fights you cite were all instances of Versailles "centrism" vs. actions that would strengthen the Democratic brand, as well as helping average Americans.

This hurts the whole party, from Obama on down.  So I don't think we're even seeing rational self-interest behind Obama's actions.  He just feels like he owns us, is all.  Would that he felt that way about narcissistic conservadems.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


Democratic Brand? (4.00 / 1)
I believe the establishment party sees itself replacing conservatives not defeating them.  They don't want a brand.  They want to chair a committee.  If they have a brand, it's Specterism.  Pathetic really when you think of the opportunity an Obama administration had to excite a new generation.

I don't believe progressives have a prayer unless they can come together is an anti-establishment faction or 3rd party to unite around a different agenda.  

Most of us could recite the agenda:  civil liberties, environmentalism, truly universal healthcare, a real end to wars not clearly in our immediate self-defense or sanctioned by the international community, a major reduction in defense spending, regulation of the financial industry, strengthening labor rights, repeal of DADT, marriage rights for gays, reproductive choice for women, equal opportunity for all children regardless of class, higher education available to all who demonstrate a serious effort to achieve...

Why can't we have a party?  


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Um, in what way is he different from "narcissistic conservadems" (0.00 / 0)
at this point, except in his public words? In terms of actual actions, I see very little difference. As I asked below, and have asked for months now, is he doing this because he fears or believes that he needs the center-right more than he does the left, or is he doing this because his positions are actually much more in line with the center-right than with the left? I think both. I think that Obama is the sort of person who is, believes in, and does, whatever happens to suit him at the time. A true cipher, even to himself, not only outwardly, but inwardly as well. Kind of Zelig meets JFK. I.e. Clinton II, just more polished.

I don't think that he cares about the Dem "brand", let alone the liberal or progressive ones. I think that he cares about the Obama brand, and that of his closest political buddies. They're the rat pack or Ocean's Eleven of today's politics. Be cool like us, or we'll freeze you out.

Quite sad, really, someone this smart and talented, throwing it all away for cheap and easy power and popularity.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


[ Parent ]
Or Maybe They Just Fight For The Bills They Want (4.00 / 1)
I don't think this is a question of confusion in the white house.  They fight for what they want.  More than anything else, they want more money for war.  What does that tell  you?  What conclusions should we reach?

Obama and his hatchetman, Wall Street's favorite politician, Rahm Emanuel, working with the top-level Wall Street Insiders, put Wall Street first, transferring to them hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money, no strings attached.  Then we had war and more war.  

Then we come to healthcare, and what does Obama say?  Pay-as-you-go.  Suddenly he and his insiders are claiming that now we have to start tightening the purse strings.  Now that Wall Street got their money, now that the Military Defense industries got their money, now that it's time to do something for the citizens:  sorry Charlie, no money.


Why does this sound like Bill Clinton .. (0.00 / 0)
all over again ... see the article Mike just put up

[ Parent ]
It all comes down to a simple question (4.00 / 1)
Is Obama afraid of Blue dogs, ConservaDems and Republicans, and thus unwilling to take them on for fear of the beating that he'd get from them, or is he in substantive agreement with them on most issues, in which case it would obviously make no sense for him to take them on (and thus make his entire campaign one big lie)?

I.e. is he a coward, or a liar?

Provocative words, yes, but given his track record since the FISA flip-flop, quite justified at this point IMO. And no, I don't buy that whole "pragmatic" BS, because if that's what he's doing, what does he have to show for it by now?

Plus, I don't at all buy that he would have needed to continually cave to the center-right in order to pass progressive legislation. The momemtum is for serious progressive reform right now, and there's plenty of political capital to achieve it, so to not try to do so indicates to me either political cowardice, or a lack of interest, on his part.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe that it's both. He fears the center-right establishment, doesn't want to fight it, and, really, just wants to become a part of it.

Talk--which he does a lot of--is cheap. But where's the followup action? I just don't see it. Instead, for all his nice talk, there's been nothing but kissing up to the center-right, and kicking down the left. Change we can believe in? NOT.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


In answer to your question (4.00 / 1)
He's a liar. He knew he needed to run to the left of Hilary to win the nomination, so he did. He needed a heavy turnout from lefties in the general to defeat McCain, so he didn't begin to sell out during the general, with the exception of reversing on FISA. Now that he's in power he's showing his true colors.

[ Parent ]
A liar and a coward? (4.00 / 1)
And unprincipled too? How many more of these say one thing, do the opposite flip-flops are people going to have to endure before they finally get it? I'm guessing many, until it starts to affect them personally. Most people only tend to notice or care about a politician's lies and flip-flops when it's seen as affecting them. And Obama is smart and talented enough to know how to thread that needle of not giving the people what they want while seeming to give them what they want. He's like the charming kid in school who got away with all sorts of crap because the teachers and other kids liked him.

Thing is, you can't keep doing that forever. Sooner or later, people see who you really are. Is he ready for that day? I'm not sure. But until that day comes, we're not going to see the "progressive" side of Obama much. He reacts to real political threats, not sniping.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


[ Parent ]
When you list out Blue Dog transgressions vs. leftist transgressions, it seems fairly obvious (4.00 / 2)
why everyone caters to Blue Dogs more: cuz they're more likely to revolt.

Think about it.  If the liberal Democrats always quietly obey the leadership and only revolt once in a while, the leadership will come to take their votes for granted.  The Blue Dogs, by being an irritant en masse, ensure that they get attention because they're signaling that if they don't get attention they'll be a major pain in the ass.

Think about elections.  Everyone always worries about Democrats moving too far to the left and losing the "moderate" vote.  No one ever seems to really worry about moving too far to the center and losing the liberal vote.  Not even in primaries, 2006 Connecticut Senate aside.

This suggests to me that if liberals want to be taken seriously they have to do as the Blue Dogs/annoying centrists do and that is, to revolt and be a general pain in the ass and to let the leadership know that their votes have to be earned, and not just taken for granted.


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