President Clinton: "The Start Of A New Progressive Era"

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 18:21


Along with about a dozen other bloggers, I had an opportunity to meet with former President Bill Clinton in his New York offices today (apologies for the content delay created by my presence at the meeting). During this time, I was able to ask him about the Agriculture Committee holding up the Waxman-Markey climate change bill.

In regards to the committee's attempts to have the USDA determine who receives carbon offset credits, President Clinton said that "too many carbon offsets have nothing to do with agriculture" for the USDA to become the appropriate regulatory agency. He added that "it's not the right thing to do. Keep it in the EPA."

President Clinton did note that Chairman Peterson, like many of the Democrats on the committee, comes from a conservative and rural district. However, making the USDA the regulatory authority is something that "not even the coal industry" would support.

Further, toward the end of the meeting--which covered a wide range of topics--President Clinton told the assembled bloggers that one of the best things they could do for elected Democrats is to function as a "counterveiling" source of progressive pressure. That is, he encouraged us to offer left-wing criticism of Democrats on key policy areas, and that we should urge our leaders and elected officials to favor further reaching, more community-focused public policy. In fact, he indicated that he would have wanted more such progressive media pushing him during his time in office.

Additionally, President Clinton told the assembled bloggers that they should focus their pressure in a "sophisticated" pattern, focusing specifically on members of Congress who could be the most influenced. By this, he meant Democrats in safe blue districts afraid of primary challenges, and members of both parties in districts that could be swung in the next general election. He also indicated that he believed this was the start of anew progressive era in the federal government--the first since the mid-1960's--and was hopeful that major progressive agenda items on health care and climate change would pass as a result.

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I have to say, it all made sense to me. Hopefully, the climate change activists, media figures and organizations who have stayed surprisingly quiet about the Agriculture Committee hijacking the Waxman-Markey climate change legislation will take this advice.

And no, I am not making this up. President Bill Clinton really said this all to me, and other assembled bloggers, today. The other attendees, and soon to be released photos, will be able to verify that this took place and that all my quotes are accurate.

I know it is surprising, but this did really happen. He isn't very Villagerish, even if he is a bit hesitant to call himself left-wing. He certainly seems to welcome left-wing criticism directed at him personally, becuase it he believes it provides him room to break away from the Village. That might explain why the Village hated him so much during the 1990's.

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i remember a clinton quote (4.00 / 3)
about how he wishes there was more left wing criticism on either health care or welfare or maybe the budget. can't remember.

i generally am hard on billy clint, and see him as someone who always took the easy way out and had very little impact on the country's direction as a result (aside from keeping the GOP out). but i'll admit he's a product of his time, and couldn't do much without leftward pressure. whether he was a strategist who mainly wanted to stay in power, or a strategist who wanted to be more progressive than he was, we failed to push him.

and by we, I mean you because I was 11 when he was elected :)


Chis is telling the truth . . . (0.00 / 0)
I was there, seated between Chris on my left and Armando on the right.

I wrote about this extraordinary meeting on Daily Kos.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...


[ Parent ]
Who are the others? (0.00 / 0)
Is that Digby, the mighty blonde on the right? And the big guy next to her, maybe John Amato? And I would be especially interested in knowing who the cute woman in black on the left side is, the one that somewhat looks like a much nicer and better looking sister of Michelle Malkin!

[ Parent ]
Btw, let's hope that the two girls showing a lot of cleavage... (0.00 / 0)
..aren't feministes, or else Ann Althouse will start just another phony outrage!
:D

[ Parent ]
lol (4.00 / 12)
Only you would apologize for not posting on your blog because you were meeting Bill Clinton.

thanks for sharnig this account (4.00 / 2)
Sounds like it was very interesting.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I'd say it was more than interesting (4.00 / 1)
I'd say that it was damn good advice, especially:


Additionally, President Clinton told the assembled bloggers that they should focus their pressure in a "sophisticated" pattern, focusing specifically on members of Congress who could be the most influenced. By this, he meant Democrats in safe blue districts afraid of primary challenges, and members of both parties in districts that could be swung in the next general election.

I think, though, we should go much further. Someday, there will be a funding mechanism to do this, but for now, why not ask voters to simply pledge X dollars to a Senators's defeat if they don't vote the right way on 2-3 key issues.

I don't see how pledging dollars to an unnamed person, who likely isn't even on the scene, yet, can be construed as bribery. It's sort of 'reverse-bribery', but AFAIK, that has no legal significance.

Whether or not Clinton was sincere (as complained about below) seems quite besides the point.

DemocracyABC.org
TheRealNews.Com
http://www.pdamerica.org


[ Parent ]
Millennial Generation Poised to Spearhead a Progressive Revolution in American Politics (4.00 / 3)
Bill Clinton appears to be feeling the winds of change.

According to Ray Teixeira's recently published research into the demographic seeds of the progressive realignment that is underway, twenty years of pivotal demographic changes are bringing the conservative era to a close.

These demographic changes are ushering in a new progressive era in which a majority of American voters favor government intervention to solve pressing societal problems, particularly in health care, energy and education.

The Millennial generation will be the spearhead of this revolution. It is the largest generation in history to espouse progressive political values.

If the nation's elected officials continue to oppose progressive agendas, they will find themselves in a confrontation with the largest generation of U.S. voters to come on the scene.

Millennials voted for Barack Obama by an overwhelming 66 percent to 32 percent, providing almost 90 percent of his victory margin, according Teixeira.

Unless Obama delivers on his campaign promises to them, he will not be able to count on their support in a re-election bid.

Note:  By 2020, the entire Millennial generation will have come of age politically. They will be 103,000,000 strong, of whom 90 million will be eligible to vote.

With 40% of the electorate, they will be numerous enough to play a decisive role in U.S. elections and spearhead the major political realignment forecast by Winograd and Hais and others.


Yeah, he would've welcomed (4.00 / 4)
left-wing pressure like he would've welcomed the defeat of NAFTA.

I call bullshit.  


Speaking of (4.00 / 2)
Did anyone ask him tough questions, like about his support for the Iraq War and torture, or would left-wing pressure during the meeting have been inappropriate?

[ Parent ]
Greatest Hits: Amy and Bill (4.00 / 3)
Bill sure didn't seem too comfortable when Amy Goodman exerted a bit of pressure from the left:

http://ia360619.us.archive.org...

That was then . . .  


[ Parent ]
Too many Democrats fell for it in the 90's (4.00 / 4)
I always felt like too many Democrats fell for the right wing talking points about the Clinton's in the 90's. Turning a lot of democrats against the Clinton's was one of the most effective and damaging attacks that the right wing ever pulled off. We saw the same talking point dredged up again during the 2008 primaries, so obviously they stuck.

The Clinton's were, and have always been, committed, life-long liberals. Clinton started out with an even shittier House and Senate than Obama has now, and when Gingrich took over he was stuck in the role of punching bag for a MSM that was bought and paid for by the right. Unfortunately, many people on the left back then were still in the habit of watching network news and believing it, and their attitudes have been permanently poisoned in ways they probably do not comprehend.


The problem always was ... (4.00 / 3)
Clinton didn't do himself any favors .. I mean look at the people in his orbit(at some time or another) .. Lanny Davis .. Mark Penn .. Dick Morris .. going to bat for HoJo the night of the CT on Larry King .. and if Clinton was such a liberal .. why NAFTA? .. why belong to the DLC? .. those are some questions I wish he was asked

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Yeah (4.00 / 1)
He managed to surround himself with some unsavory characters. Carter had a bit of that problem, too.

However, I think you can (or could) be a traditional liberal and support NAFTA and be a hawk on foreign policy. Kennedy and LBJ were liberals as far a civil rights go, but did some pretty bad stuff with foreign policy.

Having a deep understanding of the fact that war is always wrong is something that is new for liberalism.


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I see... so support for NAFTA, a murderous foreign policy, and the beginnings (4.00 / 1)
of the use of the "ticking-bomb scenario" to defend torture (Clinton did it first). Pray tell, where is "liberalism" contained?  

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What are you talking about? The "right-wing" talking points? What would they be? (4.00 / 1)
I fell for the accurate "left-wing" talking points after the fact. So do Dems today believe that Obama is a secret Muslim who wants socialism? Are these the ideas you see on these pages?

Again, what are these "right-wing talking points" that a massive number of Dems fell for?


[ Parent ]
Not everything out of a wingers mouth is a lie. (0.00 / 0)
Some of it is true or based in truth.   Party loyalty is an obstacle to reality.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

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If he was a liberal, you could have fooled me. (4.00 / 3)
I defended the hell out of him and his Lewinski fling.  I cheered when he and Hillary talked about a right wing conspiracy on 60 minutes.   What did we get in return?  NAFTA, media consolidation, don't ask/don't tell, and "welfare queens".  

Why were you and the others there?   Did anybody call him and the Democrats on their inability to get anything done as the minority or the majority party?   Did anyone discuss single payer, NAFTA?  What is he doing to drive politics to the left?  What are his biggest regrets, besides Monica.  I don't trust any of them - not a one, except maybe Bernie and Kucinich.  

Clinton did this blogger thing before. Lunch at his shack in Harlem where he sized the bloggers up, apparently decided they were dfh, and then went off to support Lieberman.  

You have to give us a lot more than this, Chris; but I do  hope you at least got a good meal out of him.    

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


[ Parent ]
regardless of whether they're personally liberal (4.00 / 1)
 What would you consider the hallmark liberal accomplishments of his Presidency?

[ Parent ]
caveat (4.00 / 1)
I believe he said what you say he said but I also believe:

1. He is a great communicator and the first rule of communicating is knowing your audience. He knew who his audience was today.

2. He's got quite a lot of latitude to say any old thing now that he's not running for anything.

3. Given the closeness of the primaries it is reasonable to say that Hillary lost because of not enough activists in caucus states. Since there's always a chance she'll run again it can't hurt to curry favor with activists/bloggers.

All that said I still like Bill expect for dumbass-ness with Monica (and the above-mentioned post-Presidency coziness with GWB and his policies).


Its not surprising (4.00 / 2)
Clinton failed on several key things that he wanted because there weren't enough progressives backing him up.  Healthcare, don't ask don't tell, etc.

Of course he would have wanted progressive media putting pressure on key members of congress to get those things passed.  I think one problem is that progressive media tends to focus on the president rather than congress.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....


But look at his biggest failure ... (0.00 / 0)
meaning health care reform ... they acted like they didn't want much help ... now with Obama .. yeah .. the house parties or whatever they are called are great ... but how much is he really listening? .. why is the Public Option the starting point? .. that should be where negotiations end .. not start

[ Parent ]
Your entire comment is focused on the president (4.00 / 1)
But that is the general problem.  There is plenty of pressure on the president.  More needs to be on the senators who block change.

Micromanaging the president's strategy wont result in anything useful.  It would be a lot more useful to build up a democratic challenge to Olympia Snowe.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....


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What is this "Village" you refer to? (0.00 / 0)


Don't Believe A Word He Says (4.00 / 1)
This man, more than any other (except maybe Terry McCauliffe) is responsible for turning the Democratic Party into the Republican Party, for abandoning working people, unions, women and minorities in exchange for enormous bribes and kick-backs from corporate coffers, for sending millions of Americans' jobs to other countries and deceiving the public about it until it was too late to protect ourselves and our economy, for turning the entire financial sector over to the control of greedy and unscrupulous insiders like Bob Rubin in exchange for millions in "donations."  Bill Clinton is about as "progressive" as Richard Nixon was.  But perhaps less honest.  More comes out all the time about what he really did to us during his 8 years in office.  We all thought it was the intern getting screwed, but turns out it was the working people.

But if anybody is ever present again when Bill Clinton tries to claim he is part of some progressive movement, ask him to take a big chunk of the almost One Billion Dollars that has been given to him by corporations and foreign countries since he left office, and to use that money to fund a Progressive Media Institute, to be run by Progressive Media:  Open Left; Danny Schechter; The Nation; In These Times; Counterpunch; Z; Truthdig; Mike Malloy, Jeff Farias, other independents on the radio; and so many terrific bloggers who contribute so much but God knows how they make a living.  

In other words, ask him to put up money, the ultimate test of sincerity.  Put up money, turn control over to others, to fund independent progressive media.  Let's see how sincere he is about supporting progressive causes.


All the people here who are hating on the Big Dawg (0.00 / 0)
must really despise Barack Obama.

Bill moved to the right when he had to, Obama runs away from the left like it's radioactive.


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