Rightwing Democrats Are the Problem

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 12:28


At the start of what will inevitably be another week where much of progressive media focuses on Stupid Things Republicans Said, Paul Krugman takes time out to point to the real problem: "centrist Democrats." Here are the key graphs from Krugman, plus links to recent articles by Nate Silver discussing public support for the public option and health insurance industry donations to members of Congress:

The real risk is that health care reform will be undermined by "centrist" Democratic senators who either prevent the passage of a bill or insist on watering down key elements of reform. I use scare quotes around "centrist," by the way, because if the center means the position held by most Americans, the self-proclaimed centrists are in fact way out in right field.

What the balking Democrats seem most determined to do is to kill the public option, either by eliminating it or by carrying out a bait-and-switch, replacing a true public option with something meaningless. For the record, neither regional health cooperatives nor state-level public plans, both of which have been proposed as alternatives, would have the financial stability and bargaining power needed to bring down health care costs.(...)

Honestly, I don't know what these Democrats are trying to achieve. Yes, some of the balking senators receive large campaign contributions from the medical-industrial complex - but who in politics doesn't? If I had to guess, I'd say that what's really going on is that relatively conservative Democrats still cling to the old dream of becoming kingmakers, of recreating the bipartisan center that used to run America.

But this fantasy can't be allowed to stand in the way of giving America the health care reform it needs. This time, the alleged center must not hold.

It is hard to argue with Krugman's read here. The desire to play kingmaker must be overwhelming for many Democrats. For example, on the climate change bill, Agriculture Committee Chair Collin Peterson has received dozens of long feature articles on his "kingmaker" role on the climate change bill. However, he has received little to no pushback from environmental groups, while being showered in effusive praise from Speaker Pelosi:

House Democrats still lack agreement on key details of a comprehensive global warming and energy bill despite intervention from several top Obama administration officials, diminishing the chances that the measure will pass off the floor this week before the start of the Fourth of July recess.(...)

"Everything is going great," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told E&E on Friday. "It's the legislative process. It's going great, and I feel good about it all. We're going to reach our goals. And it's pretty exciting as a matter of fact. I'm really very excited about the Democratic response. It's been very, very positive. And Collin and Mr. Waxman and other chairs have worked very constructively to bring us to a good place."(...)

Peterson, who forged a close relationship with Pelosi during last year's farm bill negotiations, has been in constant contact with the House speaker on the global warming legislation. "She wants the farmers' concerns to be addressed," Peterson told reporters last week. "And she wants them to be on board with what we're doing."

Being a centrist Democrat who holds up Democratic legislation is a great deal. You get fawning press, huge amounts of power, no pushback from timid progressive advocacy groups and, once severely weakened legislation is finally passed, tons of credit for saving the world from climate change dirty fuc*ing hippies. Because really, in the end, the goal of legislation is to save it from DFHs, rather than to solve any problems.

With progressive media focused on the latest episode of Stupid Things Republicans Said, why wouldn't any Democrat want to become conservative kingmaker?

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I Couldn't Agree More (4.00 / 5)
I have been noticing this more and more--it is particularly bad at Daily Kos. I think that the main reason for this is that the netroots ascended primarily as a progressive counter-voice to Bush and the Republicans. From 2003 to 2008, the cry on many blogs was to "elect more Democrats" and then everything would be okay. However, no one took into account the fact many of these Democrats--Jim Webb, to name one--were in truth moderate Republicans, and only became Democrats because the Republican Party had gone so far right (and because the Democratic Party had gone so far to the middle). The end result is that while we have elected lots of Democrats since 2006, things are not okay.

Unfortunately, I think many on the left are unable or unwilling to transition from the knee-jerk reaction of attacking Republicans, mainly because it it what they have been doing for five or six years, and because it is easier than actually going after Democrats--especially Democrats that many of them helped to get elected. To attack Democrats would essentially mean that the strategy of the past several years was misguided.  


Time for a Third Party? (4.00 / 2)
Now that the Republican Party has driven itself off a right-wing cliff, the Democratic Party has morphed into a holding tank for pseudo-Democrats, and Obama is a right-of-center politician who openly courts conservatives, what choice is there but to create a third party?

Polls show that voters hold both parties in contempt and consider them more of a hindrance than a help to enacting their policy preferences into law.

Indeed, the legislative track record of Congress shows that it consistently enacts policies a majority of voters oppose and refuses to enact policies a majority favors.

Polls and research studies have also shown that U.S. voters have been steadily abandoning the nation's two major political parties for more than 20 years. 6% have abandoned the Democrats since Obama took office.

According to a recent Pew poll, the bloc of self-identifying Independents is larger than either the bloc of self-identifying Democrats or the bloc of self-identifying Republicans.

The Independent bloc represents 39% of the electorate, the Democratic bloc only 33%, and the Republican bloc represents only 22%.

Now that the Democrats in Congress are killing the public option after rejecting to even put the single payer option on the table — despite the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans prefer it, it is irrefutable that our system of government is not an authentic democracy whose elected representatives implement the will of the people.

How long are we going to cling to the delusion that the two party system as presently constituted is the only option we have for governing the country?

If a third party were created, and it gave voters the powers that my invention, the Interactive Voter Choice System would give them, it would easily attract a majority of the electorate because they could reset the country's agenda and run and elect representatives who would enact it into law.


[ Parent ]
Alternatively, the FKDP... (4.00 / 2)
(Formerly Known as Democratic Party) could split into the Finance Wing and the Populist Wing. Why not?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  

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Why have a third party? (4.00 / 2)
And let those bastards have two parties, whilst you have to build a new infrastructure from scratch whilst breaking the voting habits of generations?

Not satisfying and not realistic. If you want to defeat conservatism, the first field of conflict has to be the Democratic Party. That means kicking them out on their ears, not taking your ball and running off.

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It easy to build something new than (0.00 / 0)
work with an old corrupt system.

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Tell that to the British SDP (0.00 / 0)
Tell that to every group that's ever split off from the British Labour Party. Tell that to the Referendum Party. Tell that to the Greens.

The British examples are comparable to the American system, or even slightly more favourable, as we tend not to follow Duverger's Law that closely in our elections. None of those parties, however unpopular or popular they were (and the SDP had a lot of support - it briefly polled over 50% in the euphoria of its formation) made a significant political impact.

Staying within the party is almost always the better option. Again, look at Britain. Whilst most of the Labour right split, certain young Turks like Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson held the line. And when it was their turn to lead the party, they took it further right than Shirley Williams or Roy Jenkins could ever have dreamt of.

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Braitain hasn't had a crisis like this since Thatcher` (0.00 / 0)
so those aren't good examples.

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What's realistic? (0.00 / 0)
Is it continually voting for the same backstabbing Democrats who ALWAYS take the far right position on issues, joining with their counterparts in the far right Republican Party, hoping against reality that maybe someday they'll consider thinking about devoting some time to pondering whether they should risk offending their corporate donors by adopting even tepidly left-wing positions?  Or is being realistic making the decision, however unpopular it is likely to make you with people whose opinions really shouldn't matter to you in the first place?  My money, what little there is of it, is on the latter.



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Why can't Democrats and Republicans use your invention? (4.00 / 1)
I have trouble believing that making a viable 3rd party is easier than reforming the Democratic and Republican parties...

I don't know whether or not a credible game theory analysis could be done to figure out which strategy is more likely to "win", but my money is on populists taking over both Democratic and Republican parties, from below, being easier.

In any event, the question of which party to vote for is sort of a distraction, isn't it? If enough decent candidates run for office, who respect the popular will, and if the public will vote for them, then the question of which party they belong to is secondary. OTOH, if voters don't show up, or if they are willing to show up, but there are no really good candidates to vote for, what difference does it make which party they belong to?

So, job #1 is to find decent, populist candidates on the one hand, and have voters form a populist voting bloc on the other. (Well, you have to figure out how to crowd-fund them effectively, also.) Solve that, and the party issue will take care of itself. In fact, I predict that if the Democratic party was reformed from below, it would open the door for third parties, more quickly. My reasoning is that "decent" candidates are more honest, and will eliminate roadblocks to 3rd parties as a matter of principle, once they attain office. Also, once the public starts establishing real control over their representatives, their resulting empowerment will embolden them to focus on individuals, more than their party affiliations. They will lose their tendency to vote out of fear, which automatically makes them discount candidates who they consider to have little chance of winning it all, even if they're better

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Here's a third party that actually got results back in the day. (0.00 / 0)
http://www.progressiveparty.org

http://www.waprogparty.org

Frankly, I don't give the Green Party much of a chance because of its poor organization and inability to form a coherent electoral strategy.  The Progressive Party, however, has a longer and more venerated history and today continues to get tangible electoral results.

It is indeed time for a viable third political party, one that it truly progressive and that serves as a counter to the right-wing Republican and Democratic Parties.



[ Parent ]
Webb (4.00 / 2)
However, no one took into account the fact many of these Democrats--Jim Webb, to name one--were in truth moderate Republicans

His invoking the memory of Reagan at his announcement speech wasn't a clue?


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A truer statement has never been said (4.00 / 2)
With progressive media focused on the latest episode of Stupid Things Republicans Said, why wouldn't any Democrat want to become conservative kingmaker?

It seems Dkos can't get enough of this shit. Bully for you for saying it.

The question remains however "What the fuck to do about it".


Primary attack on principle and tell the truth. (4.00 / 6)
Blog, write, mail, email and shout. Stop fundraising for anyone except specific candidates and not the Party.

Cancel your contributions to the Democratic Party. Fund single payer Democrats only. Primary and remove republicans from the party at every level.

I will push right wingers out, and not form a third party.

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Good for you. (0.00 / 0)
But you need a fall-back plan in the event your efforts to purge the Democratic Party of right-wingers fails.  Right-wing Democrats don't take progressives seriously because they know most of us don't have the guts to abandon them for independent candidates who truly represent the public.



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maybe we should start calling them Katrina Democrats (4.00 / 4)
because their program seems to be abandon anyone without money and power.

I don't really know what to think anymore (4.00 / 4)
Obama is not-quite-aggressively pushing a plan almost identical to that of his former opponent and current Secretary of State, a plan he ran against (he ran against mandates and for a public option; now he's for mandates and apparently caving on a public option.) Meanwhile progressives have made a strong public option the defining fight of Obama's first term, all the while knowing it's a second-best and possibly not very good approach to reform. And the corporate whores and centrist cowards in the Democratic Party are threatening to derail the whole process, which might actually be a good thing for the country.

All I really know is that the things have been true for a while are still true. The country needs public financing, and Medicare for All is the only thing that makes sense. Kuttner:

The reform package, as drafted by the Obama administration and the House leadership, is dubious legislation even with the inclusion of a public option. Basically, it leaves the two worst aspects of the system intact. First, private insurers will continue to dominate. Second, most people will continue to get their insurance through their employers. Given these two bedrock realities, there is no way that the bill can make serious inroads on cost without cutting back on care. The high cost of the approach is already causing key legislators to back off. The current system wastes huge sums, but because it is so fragmented the money flows to profit opportunities and not to the most cost-effective forms of health care.

Also, as my American Prospect colleague Paul Starr warns, a mixed system with a public option effectively invites the most expensive and hard-to-treat people to opt for the public plan, while private insurers will seek to insure the young and the healthy. This is a familiar problem known as adverse selection. The private insurers will then smugly point out that the public plan is less "efficient," when in fact it simply will have a more costly population. The only way to avoid this problem is to have everyone in the same universal plan--what's otherwise known as a single-payer plan.

The public option is a not-very-good second best--because our leading liberal politicians lack the nerve to embrace the one reform that simultaneously solves the problem of cost, quality, and universal inclusion. The policy that dare not speak its name is of course comprehensive national health insurance, or Medicare-for-All. I try to avoid using the term "single payer," because a technical, policy-wonk phrase not understood by most civilians has become insider shorthand for national health insurance. Let's call the thing by its rightful name. Medicare-for-All is something regular people understand.

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I mean, I guess I'd prefer a reform package with a strong public option to nothing at all. Unless I wouldn't.

I do know that it's hard for me to email and phone Congress people where I'm a little afraid the bill I'm "fighting for" will pass.

How the hell did we get here?



then contact House members (4.00 / 5)
of the Progressive Caucus and lobby them to vote against any health care reform bill that doesn't contain a real public option.

Obama wants to sign a health care reform bill. We can't count on him to veto a bad bill. The only way Obama will lean on the bad Democrats is if he thinks the good Democrats will stop a bill from reaching his desk.

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Nomenclature (4.00 / 3)
Right wing democrats, or centrist democrats, are probably neither,if you want to get right down to labels. They are "selfnocrats". They worry about themselves and their financial futures before they worry about anything else and understand the word "no" as well anyone in the party of NO. Blue Dogs should be put out of office and into a kennel, where they have to defecate and eat in the same place.  

"An Argentine doctor once said, (4.00 / 2)
"An Argentine doctor once said, 'The life of a single human being is worth a million times more than all the property of the richest man on earth.' Yet our US Congress shall allow tens of thousands of Americans to die each year for lack of Universal Healthcare. The shame is on each and every member of Congress and each and every American for allowing this catastrophe to go on."-Matt Drayton

Guevara? (0.00 / 0)
 

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Small Consolation (1.33 / 3)
If it's any consolation, I think the Repubs face the same problem. Many conservative Repubs did not like John McCain because he was too centrist for them. But the people in the middle get all the attention, because both parties know that their base usually won't vote for the other side, so they court those who are more easily swayed. This gives the centrists a disproportionate amount of power. For example, on the Supreme Court Justice Kennedy has a lot of sway, because he's the one who usually ends up as the swing vote.
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Another troll spreading commercial links. Folks, pls TR him! (0.00 / 1)
And also his other comments:
http://www.openleft.com/user/r...

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Never mind that his posts are actually on-topic and contribute to the discussion. (0.00 / 1)
Because, after all, it's more important to gripe about the person's signature link than to address what he or she has to say, right?  Best to abuse the rating system.  Otherwise, you might actually have to engage in a discussion.



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No commerical links here. If in doubt, ask Chris. (0.00 / 1)
And TRing me really is the height of absurdity! But if you wanna start this game, I will play it too. Tit for tat!

Btw, I notice you're adding that big banner to your comments again. Really a ridiculously overblown attempt at self promotion!


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Don't start what you can't finish. (0.00 / 1)
Let's get a couple of things straight.

You do not decide who gets to have what in his or her signature.  If you want to act like a Keystone Kos Kop, you know what web site to post on.  If you want to hold substantive discussions, then kindly refrain from abusing the rating system.  If you can't respond to what really is a thoughtful and contributive comment in kind, then simply ignore it and move on.  Hiding the comment because you don't like what's in a person's signature is childish and puerile.

I'd have kept the banner off if not for the snide comment about it following my initial removal.  Since you want to be a jerk about it, back it is and back it shall remain until the site administrators remove it themselves.  Your abuse of the rating system is precisely the sort of infantile behavior I left the Mediocre orange Hype over, and you are NOT going to get away with doing it here.

Now, what have you got to say in response to robatopenleft's comment?

If it's any consolation, I think the Repubs face the same problem. Many conservative Repubs did not like John McCain because he was too centrist for them. But the people in the middle get all the attention, because both parties know that their base usually won't vote for the other side, so they court those who are more easily swayed. This gives the centrists a disproportionate amount of power. For example, on the Supreme Court Justice Kennedy has a lot of sway, because he's the one who usually ends up as the swing vote.




[ Parent ]
I didn't say I have any say on your sig. I just stated my opinion. (0.00 / 1)
And if you don't notice that you're THE ONLY ONE here who uses such a massive banner in the signature, and that this sure looks like a massive effort at self promotion, you can't be helped.

And, once again, I don't abuse the rating system. I act in accordance with the established standard here, and if you keep an eye on this you'll notice that Sadie Baker, Dameocrat, and several other users regularly TR comments with commercial links. You, on the other hand, abused the system by TRing me just because you don't like that standard rule. Your complaining is really rich. You're here since how long, three months, and think you can make up new rules on your won, without any interaction with other users? That's nuts.


[ Parent ]
You just abused the rating system again. (0.00 / 1)
Still trying to play Keystone Kos Kop, I see.  Well, it's not going to work.  You think you can dictate to others what they can and cannot post, and how they should post it, and abuse the rating system to silence them in an effort to avoid addressing the crux of their remarks.  That is extremely childish of you, and you are not going to get away with it.  You're the one making up rules as you go along.  You started this baloney.

Now, what have you got to say in response to robatopenleft's comment?

If it's any consolation, I think the Repubs face the same problem. Many conservative Repubs did not like John McCain because he was too centrist for them. But the people in the middle get all the attention, because both parties know that their base usually won't vote for the other side, so they court those who are more easily swayed. This gives the centrists a disproportionate amount of power. For example, on the Supreme Court Justice Kennedy has a lot of sway, because he's the one who usually ends up as the swing vote.




[ Parent ]
What about your reading ability? (0.00 / 1)
I plainly stated that I'll play tit for tats. That means, every time you abusedly TR me, you'll get a zero rating back. So, stop this hit altogether.

And what's that nonsense about me HAVING to respond to that spammer? Are you plain crazy?


[ Parent ]
So you've no argument to make. (0.00 / 1)
Just an obsession with someone's signature that has no bearing on the discussion at hand.  Thank you for confirming that you are, indeed, the real troll in this thread.



[ Parent ]
You're nuts, Michael (0.00 / 1)
I went to great lengths to explain that TRing commercial links here is SOP. You ignore all those points, and instead engage in ridiculous accusations and lame rants. You really can't be helped.

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And some other points (0.00 / 0)
Firstly, you don't malke the rules here. "No commercial links" is a commonly accepted standard here, and Chris regularly deletes the account of those spammers WHO THE EFF ARE YOU to apply your won rules on a blog that ain't yours?

Secondly, pls note that such users main interest isn't participating in the discussion, but placing commercial links here, prolly in order to increase the google rate of a client. Just like dozens of other spammers in the last week, he started up a new account and from the very first day added the link to his sig. That's the same procedure as with all those other spammers, and possibly its even the same guy who has been banned countless times now.

Lastly, what's necessary for not becoming overrun by assholes who want to exploit OpenLeft's discussion threads is a zero tolerance attitude, and everybody helping in getting rid of those spammers as soon as they open a new account. If a new users instantly shows up in the "hidden comment list", he will get deleted. Chris and the guys simply don't have the time to patrol all threads in search for those spammers, they rely on us to TR them. So, your false tolerance for this crap, Sir, isn't helpful at all!


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Last point (0.00 / 0)
Would you pls acknoledge that Dameocrat and me, who both TRed that spammer, are regular commenters here for a much longer time than you, and know a bit more about this place and its rules?

[ Parent ]
And you don't get to decide how they're enforced. (0.00 / 0)
Debate the message, not the messenger.  If you can't do that, then don't bother.  You have absolutely no authority over me whatsoever, and the length of your tenure here is completely irrelevant.



[ Parent ]
Again: Who THE EFF you think you are? (0.00 / 1)
Irrelevant, Shmirrelevant: I play by the rules. You don't. And you don't have any authority to impose new rules here. If you don't like that, go playing elsewhere.

[ Parent ]
I think I'm me. (0.00 / 1)
Again, the length of your tenure here is irrelevant.  You abuse the rules.  You don't operate by them.  I've done nothing to warrant the treatment you've been dishing out.  All I've done is come to the defense of someone who, except for having a signature link you object to (which can easily be deleted by the site administrators if they have objections, I'm sure), doesn't seem to have done anything wrong either.  Grow up.



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I abuse the rules? Now, pls tell me, what do you think the rules are? (0.00 / 1)
Really, do you have some mental issues? Firstly, you blame me for rightly TRing that spammer, and then, instead of acknoledging that this is the standard procedure here, you try to enforce your opinion? Once again, this ain't your blog! If you want to complain about something, email Chris!

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Once again: The rule is, commerical links are TRed. (0.00 / 1)
And admins (afaik there is only Chris) have better things to do than patrolling the threads. They will delete spammers (and that's everyone who's trying to spread COMMERCIAL links) once they show up on the "hidden comment" list. That's how we have been handling since the problem started some months ago. Don't trust me, google "OpenLeft" "spammer" and "trollrate", and you'll see we had several discussions about this, and that this SOP is the consensus here. Really, you act as if you're on some time of crusade. But the truth is, you're simply wrong.

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Not that I disagree with your main thrust (4.00 / 1)
but I must point out that I was actually PLEASANTLY surprised yesterday to see segments of the formerly brain-dead let's-all-make-fun-of-the-GOP-and-not-notice-that-it's-kicking-our-ass "progressive" media such as Keith Olbermann say precisely that the problem lies with the Democrats.  Krugman opened a door here yesterday and some, at least are stepping through it.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

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