People Need To Get Fired Over This

by: Natasha Chart

Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 20:00


In 2006, youth climate activist Jamie Henn wrote:

... Young people, however, seem to have a special role to play. In many ways, to borrow a phrase from a fellow activist Ken Ward, we may be "the last generation."

Not the last generation on earth - - no doubt society will keep the babies coming until the very end. But maybe the last generation to see winter in Vermont (as I write, a slow drizzle has replaced the usual December snow), the last U.S. generation to grow up in a time of relative economic prosperity, or the last generation to live in a world not plagued by higher levels of disease. And in the face of all this, we're getting royally screwed by our governments. The Stern Report recently re-emphasized that the impact of global warming on the world economy will be like that of the Great Depression, World War I, and WWI . . . combined. Guess who's going to be paying for all of this out of pocket? ...

For all that Rep. Henry Waxman and Rep. Ed Markey tried, and of their sincerity I have no doubts, the current Waxman-Markey bill, The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, or ACES, fails this Last Generation.

In opening my case, I yield the floor to Greenpeace USA Deputy Campaigns Director Carroll Muffett, who today said the following:

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"Since the Waxman-Markey bill left the Energy and Commerce committee, yet another fleet of industry lobbysists has weakened the bill even more, and further widened the gap between what Waxman-Markey does and what science demands.  As a result, Greenpeace opposes this bill in its current form.  We are calling upon Congress to vote against this bill unless substantial measures are taken to strengthen it.  Despite President Obama's assurance that he would enact strong, science-based legislation, we are now watching him put his full support behind a bill that chooses politics over science, elevates industry interests over national interest, and shows the significant limitations of what this Congress believes is possible.

"As it comes to the floor, the Waxman-Markey bill sets emission reduction targets far lower than science demands, then undermines even those targets with massive offsets. The giveaways and preferences in the bill will actually spur a new generation of nuclear and coal-fired power plants to the detriment of real energy solutions. To support such a bill is to abandon the real leadership that is called for at this pivotal moment in history.  We simply no longer have the time for legislation this weak.

"With many others in the environmental, faith and consumer rights communities, Greenpeace has expressed tremendous concern about the role of offsets in this legislation.  Unless strictly controlled, the abuse of offsets could prevent real emission reductions for more than a decade.  The decision to move authority over offsets from EPA to the Department of Agriculture further reduces the likelihood that such controls will be maintained and increases the likelihood they will undermine real reductions. ..."

And out of all the hubbub, sweat, tears and arguing poured into the climate legislation debate, points like this have yet to be gotten across to the public, which is another type of failure:

"If you talk to the man on the street, there is a lot more awareness of the concept of renewable energy than there is about the need for a zero-carbon source," said Mundie, Microsoft Chief Research and Strategy Officer, in an interview on the sidelines of a major electricity conference.

I disagree with Mundie on the issue of nuclear power, but the fact that this debate didn't start from the premise that we need to completely neutralize carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions, that's a fail. Everything about our future comfort and way of life depends on figuring out how to curb emissions before resource shortages force us to do so anyway. Yet the debate over this bill was instead between climate change deniers and people who want to roll the dice on doing the minimum.

As tempting as it would be to blame someone like Rep. Collin Peterson for the whole ACES debacle, the bill sucked before he got there and he had a lot of help.

Bill Scher writing at OurFuture.org argues that everyone did all they could and it's pointless to argue about it now. I disagree. I think it should be regarded as an object lesson in how much change the system requires before it will start producing results that look more like democracy and less like feudalism.

Even outside the climate debate, the problems are obvious. The mere fact that we have a Congress that interprets support for single payer as an irrelevance instead of as an overall weighting towards the public option side of the debate -- it's a deliberate misreading of public will that's being used as a convenient excuse to go ahead and do what they wanted to all along, which is protect the health insurance racket -- is the whole problem. If it can credibly be said that single-payer advocacy undermines healthcare reform, one might as well say that Congress is determined to find any excuse to get out from under the responsibility of representing their constituents.

We have an unresponsive and corrupt Congress that no amount of organizing, weight of fact, or citizen consensus seems to budge. If Congress was instead populated by Feingolds, Boxers, Waxmans and Markeys, etc., we wouldn't have to watch over their shoulders every damn minute to see if they were doing the job they were elected to do, and we really shouldn't have to.

As any Republican could tell us, this is a representative republic and not a direct democracy. Pay attention and engage; yes, we should do that. Have to beg and plead every time for them to do the right thing, and be outgunned no matter what every single time; that's ridiculous as a premise and a waste of resources in practice.

Particularly recalcitrant members of Congress need to be primaried and made to fight for their seats. Problematic regional power bases need to be identified and have their rugs pulled out from under them. Local organizing should focus on finding ways to directly pick up the slack for the federal government's dereliction of duty. Charitable donations to 'green' organizations need to be put under a more critical lens, and should stop going to groups that have stopped getting results and don't even seem to realize it.

Mileage may vary as to best strategy in any specific case, but it's beginning to look like a futile time suck talking to this current crew in DC at present levels of focus. There may need to be several rounds of layoffs before the rest get the picture, but congresscritters clearly need to get fired.

This has to be the other side of supporting the people who tried to do the right thing, that we have to go after the people who did the wrong thing.

I mean, it'd be great to just be nice and positive all the time, but millions of people are going to be killed or starved or displaced from their homes if we don't get climate right. NGOs/non-profits who refuse to work on fixing the system and members of Congress who abdicate responsibility towards public well-being on such a grand scale, they need to go.

Update: In preemptive response to the argument that we needed to have been organizing around this issue for a longer period of time, Peterson started agitating for what he wanted about a month or so ago. He has clout, we don't, end of story.


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this bill is flawed, but I want it to pass (4.00 / 1)
OK, so we probably all agree that the bill is flawed.  But I'm of the opinion that passing a flawed bill at this juncture is better than nothing at all. I think that once we have a few years with a carbon cap and businesses and the public see that it's not destroying the economy, it will be easier to ratchet it up.  And getting businesses to start grappling with implementing carbon reductions needs to happen ASAP.

Also, I truly believe this is the best we can do given current political realities.  I don't like what Colin Peterson did either, but his district just isn't that easy for progressives to organize.  And I don't think that any amount of campaign finance reform will keep elected officials from going to bat for businesses and employers in their districts, so for better or for worse coal, oil, agribusiness, etc. will always have clout.  

Anyway, just wanted to offer a voice of support for passing this bill and for Waxman, Markey, etc who I think deserve credit for getting this bill as far as its gotten.


You shouldn't want it to pass. (0.00 / 0)
I understand why you take the position you do, but a bad bill is far worse than passing no bill at all.  This is because the legislation in its current form allows things to go on with no changes whatsoever, but with the illusion that something substantive has been done.  That illusion will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to say that everything has been done that can be done, all the while making the inevitable necessary actions that much more difficult to implement once we all no longer have a choice in the matter.



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Yeah, that isn't clear to me, too: What's to be gained from letting it fail? (0.00 / 0)
Will it result in a better chance to get a revised version passed in the near future, or wouldn't this simply come down to the Dems abandoning those efforts for now, wasting the opportunity and doing nothing for the environment for the next two years or so? Isn't it really better to take "the bird in the hand" now, and working hard to get "the two in the bush" soon?

Imho this is a central point, and afaics the critics of the bill haven't addressed it adequately yet.  


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This post is music to my virtual "ears" (4.00 / 2)
One of the smartest things I've read all week... anywhere.

I would add that Mundie is illiterate on the issue of nukes. It's not "carbon free." Nukes require being surrounded with smaller fossil fuel (preferably natural gas, as they have the shortest start-up times) plants to pick up the slack in case of a SCRAM on one or more reactors. You can't just shut them down without putting other capacity online ASAP, or the grid will cascade into failure. So they have to be surrounded with gas, oil or even coal generating stations.

So nuclear is not carbon-free at all. In fact, building a huge nuke means building more ancillary fossil fuel plants as well. No wonder I hate Windows.

This is good:

I think it should be regarded as an object lesson in how much change the system requires before it will start producing results that look more like democracy and less like feudalism.

I was reading over at Grist some reactions to the uppity-ness of progressive groups who aren't at all happy with this particular exercise in sausage-making. Sometimes I swear these people just don't get it. They seem to think we can ever-so-gently glide our way into something resembling a workable future. They are dreaming.

Lastly, kudos to Jamie Henn. She/he not only nails the substance, but also has the urgency. Strategically, a lot of this depends on the "kids." They were instrumental in getting Obama elected and I hope they keep that in mind. Someone we know owes them, methinks. Time for them to call in that margin.

One last thing: I can't argue with your assertion about Peterson's clout. The thing about "getting in front of the issue" isn't necessarily about defeating people like Peterson in process. It's about getting people to pay attention, so they can experience the kind of frustration we routinely experience... for themselves. If nothing else it would make it easier to attack them in the next election cycle, yes?



"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


My $.02 (4.00 / 5)
is that there is a very simple question to be asked:  Does this bill solve the problem?  If the answer is "no" then we are better off scrapping it and not bullshitting ourselves or anybody else.

Let's be honest.  It is probably already too late to avoid massive climate change.  We have already failed ourselves and our children.  Depressing but true.  

But if it isn't too late, this is the time for liberals and the scientific community to speak loudly and with one voice about what policies are real solutions and what policies are CYA wankery.

Personally, I would prefer to not add insult to injury by passing some half-assed crap of a bill that doesn't stand a chance of being effective.  I would rather look our children in the eyes and tell them that tried and failed -- but we fought -- for a real solution instead of telling them that we agreed to a compromise that we knew wouldn't work.


Bloody well right. (4.00 / 2)
What this bill offers is the opportunity for Obama and certain toadies in congress to declare, "Victory!", and call it a day.

In the least, we should find ways of depriving them of that opportunity, yes?

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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"Too late" is relative. (0.00 / 0)
I understand that bill won't save us from dramatic consequences. But still, it puts us in a better position than doing nothing. Just imagine scientists proving in five years or so that there is a realistical geoengineering project that is able to offset the results of global warming to a certain degree. And that this "Harlem Project", or whatever it would be named, still isn't good enough to halt the worsening of the situation, because we missed the opportunity to do something in 2009? How would we feel? EPIC FAIL!

No, imho we have to do everything that is possible now. We can't simply rely on the technological means of humanity being able to deal with the symptoms at some point in the future. There is a very high danger that this may turn out to be too little, too late. No gambling with the lifes of coming generations, pls, do what is possible now!


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"congresscritters clearly need to get fired" - music to my ears, too (0.00 / 0)
Now, where's the plan to do so? Wishing isn't going to make it so.

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Need to start action now (4.00 / 1)
David L is exactly right: the real choice here is between starting to fight global warming now or doing nothing.

The more perfect bill desired will not happen. On the other hand, starting a cap-and-trade approach will create a new fraemwork that can be improved.  Making those improvements will require further hard political work, but the defeat of this bill will only embolden forces that favor environmental destruction.


With all due respect, incrementalism is a myth (4.00 / 4)
It doesn't work.  It simply isn't how Congress addresses legislation.  Congress tackles an issue, passes a bill, and then generally doesn't revisit for quite some time.  The old political saying is that you better be on the train when it leaves the station.

What this means is that those who give a shit about climate change have exactly two choices: (a) pass a bill that is effective (effective doesn't mean perfect, but it does mean that it will work) or (b) don't pass anything and revisit the issue after garnering public support for better legislation.  If you want a robust cap-and-trade package the time to ram it through is now.  Once a bill is passed, and once Democrats can claim credit for "doing something", whatever is enacted will be slowly gutted, not improved.

I also find the idea that "the defeat of this bill will only embolden forces that favor environmental destruction" to be laughable.  The carbon-based energy lobbies aren't sitting around waiting to score some political victories before they can work up the courage to fully join the battle.  They are going to fight tooth and nail against us regardless of what we do.  If you want to defeat them, you can only succeed if you strive to defeat -- and not appease -- them.  


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So let me posit a question here. (4.00 / 3)
Would we be better off with a smaller ideological coalition that doesn't make the sort of compromises to the Collin Petersons of the world?

In other words, take Jim DeMint's comment about wanting 30 ideologically pure Republicans in the Senate, and flip it around. Would we be better off with 200 Jim McDermotts and Maxine Waters in the House, and 30 Bernie Sanders? And before you say "but we could WIN congressional majorities and presidencies with lots of highly progressive candidates"- you realize this is completely at odds with American history, right? And no, the New Deal doesn't count, because if you consider a lot of unreconstructed racist Southern Democrats part of a progressive coalition, you have a different idea of "progressive" than I do.

Also, if we would not be better off with a smaller Democratic party, why not?

And OBVIOUSLY progressives in the party don't have clout. Exactly how many delegates did Dennis Kucinich win in the 2004/2008 primaries, outside of himself? Yet people seem to think it's some huge shock that Barack Obama isn't going to govern like a liberal's wet dream.

Don't mistake me- I DO think it's a good idea to start putting the fear of losing jobs (and the planet) into some people. We're only going to move the needle if we push hard. But folks, we've been trying to get universal health care SINCE THE FUCKING TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION. That's 60 years and counting. The American political system isn't set up to do change well- it has a lot of points where special interests can block things (and it was designed that way on purpose). So climate change isn't going to be easy, either.  

The problem that I see is you aren't going to get 218 Henry Waxmans and 51 Feingolds, and President Dennis Kucinich. Just be sure to recall that actually GETTING the Speaker's gavel means something while you primary some folks. With luck, the fear of God will get some moderates in line, too, because we're going to need them.


How can the special interests block someone from getting primaried? (4.00 / 2)
Money talks, but it can't pull a lever in a voting booth.

I understand that TV is very powerful, and that it costs money to advertise a candidate on TV. I also understand, though, that the internet allows essentially zero-cost collaboration, and facilitates crowd-funding.

Put another way, how can we find good candidates, and promote them by leveraging the internet? If we can figure out how to do that, we won't need as many $$ to defeat corrupt incumbents.


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Ideology is a red herring (4.00 / 3)
This is not really about ideological purity, it's about the degree to which the representative body comprehends and executes its responsibility in service of the public good.

Conservative Republicans have a problem because their "pure" position represents around 1/3 (at best) of the public, and has a track record of abject failure. The so-called progressive opinion is very often better called the "opinion held by the majority of Americans" or "the opinion with an objective chance of solving massive problems."

The fact that there isn't a majority caucus for single payer and meaningful action on carbon/climate/energy -- positions which have broad public support, and are of vital practical importance -- are indicative of a critical disconnect between Congress (and Obama) and the Public. Nobody is advocating for a purified United Front, here, but rather looking for the totally fucking obvious Popular Front which should exist in support of pragmatic majority opinions on policy.

This has nothing to do with ideological alignment, and everything to do with how most Representatives conduct themselves in office, and ergo their fitness to serve.

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It's not "This bill or nothing," though, is it? (0.00 / 0)
As I understand it, one of the most objectionable features of this bill is that it will deprive the EPA of authority to regulate carbon emissions. Thanks to the Supreme Court, the EPA now has that authority, and in the absence of a legislative regime, I think we could expect the EPA to put together some other way of regulating carbon output.

Unfortunately, there's no way to know what the EPA would come up with, so it's hard to weigh the relative merits of the two possibilities. My gut feeling is starting to be that we'd be better off leaving it to the EPA in the short term, and trying to legislate for the long term in a more open and deliberative fashion.


Right wing support? (4.00 / 2)
When we set green standards here for manufacturing or agriculture, wouldn't make sense to mandate that any imported products meet our standards in their production process?  

Air has no borders.

Plus, it would undermine the populist/authoritarian/anti NAFTA support that the right wing enjoys. The right wing would have to support this provision or risk losing the populists. Tis measure would increase the price of many products but it could also revive manufacturing in the US (or Canada).


Good point. I support that. (4.00 / 1)
Really, it would be great if the WTO would change its policy and implement standards for environmental policy and workers rights, This would be a strong force for global progress! The way it is now, those who most brazenly exploit the environment, and put their workers in the wors conditions, are rewarded with the highest profits in international trade. And that isn't only unfair, it's also totally counterproductive in making the world a better place for humans.

Really, it would be great if the US would become the leader in pressing for fair trade rules for the WTO. Most western democracies, who are too small to press for changes themselves, would gladly follow that lead.


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