Let's Talk About Geo-engineering

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 11:02


With the vote on the climate change bill coming up today, here are three important things to keep in mind:

1. Democratic leaders had the votes for passage on Tuesday night
Despite the push from more than two dozen advocacy organizations to urge their members to call Congress, what more than one staffer has called the most intense whip operation they have ever seen, and even a public exhortation from President Obama himself, Democrats had the votes to pass this bill on Tuesday night.

The Democratic whip operation gave a deadline of 5 p.m. on Tuesday for members to report their vote intention on the climate change bill to their regional whips. A couple hours after that, the Democratic leadership announced they had a deal with Collin Peterson, and set a floor vote for Friday (today). There is simply no way that is a coincidence, or that the leadership would have set a date on the vote unless they had the votes in hand. The leadership even told the Washington Post more htan 24 hours ago that they had the votes to pass the bill.

I know they are trying to get as many votes as possible, but there is still something disingenuous about the way grassroots activists were asked to take action on a bill after it was assured of passage. They were given little or no role in the deal-making process, and no green group that I know of really attacked Collin Peterson when he was holding up the bill. Bringing them in at the end seems like a way for organizations to trick their members into think they made a difference, even though they were marginal to the overall process.

Constituents contacting Congress make much, much more of a difference during the deal making process. Asking them to take action on a deal that has already been made comes off as patronizing.

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In the extended entry, I explain why Waxman-Markey is likely to be amended once it passes. Also, I agree with Secretary of Energy Steven Chu in that we should start thinking about safe geo-engineering projects, given that governments pretty much anywhere do not appear either willing to able to put an appropriate price on carbon.

Chris Bowers :: Let's Talk About Geo-engineering
2. There is a good chance the bill will be amended later on. Even if Waxman-Markey eventually passes into law, there is a very good chance it won't stand as settled law for very long. This is because it meets three of the four criteria that make a bill more likely to be amended, reversed, or superseded by later legislation.

The available political science research on how sustainable legislation is over the long-term identifies four major factors in the longevity of public policy:

  • The margin under which is passed (the smaller the margin, the less sustainable the policy)

  • The complexity of the legislation (the less complex the legislation, the less sustainable the legislation)

  • The degree of difference between the House and the Senate versions of the bill (the more difference, the less sustainable the legislation)

  • Whether the bill was passed under unified or divided partisan government (legislation passed under unified government is more sustainable)

Waxman-Markey will pass with narrow majorities in both chambers. It is very long and complex (over 1,200 pages). Also, the House and Senate versions of the bill are probably going to differ from one another quite a bit. The only thing it has going for it is that it will be passed under unified government.

3. It won't prevent a global warming catastrophe
Here is Secretary Energy Steven Chu, declaring that Waxman-Markey, plus a bilateral agreement with China, plus a new international protocol at Copenhagen by the end of the year, will not stabilize the atmosphere at 450 ppm of CO2 or less:

"The fact is, we're not going to level out at 450 ppm," [Chu] says. "We're going to go over 450 ppm. So what will we do? I'm not in favor of deploying geoengineering. But thinking about it is OK."

For a moment, the room goes quiet. In effect, the United States secretary of energy has just told an elite group of scientists and politicians that, no matter what happens with climate legislation this summer in Congress, no matter what China does or does not do, no matter what targets are set at climate negotiations in Copenhagen later this year, our future as a species is likely a grim one.  Chu has uttered the politically unthinkable: that his own administration's efforts to halt global warming might not be enough to avert a catastrophe.

There are a lot of studies predicting different impacts from Waxman-Markey. However, if the Nobel-prize winning Secretary of Energy in the administration that is actually pushing the bill doesn't think that the bill will avert a climate catastrophe, then there is an extremely high chance that a climate catastrophe will not be averted.

So, I'm with Chu on this one. Since we are not going to have a sufficient governmental solution from pretty much any of the major players on climate change, then  we should at least starting thinking, and talking, about geo-engineering solutions.

Any such solution needs to be quickly reversible (in other words, sticking a million Frisbee-sized mirrors in space at a Lagrangian point isn't going to work), and not employ chemicals dangerous to humans (aka, created saltwater clouds or pumping sulfur high into the atmosphere won't work). My personal favorite is to plant several billion new trees, as trees have consistently proven to be the best technology for removing carbon from the atmosphere and storing it in solid form. Surely, a program to plant twenty billion new trees worldwide would create a lot of job, build a lot of international cooperation, and remove a helluva a lot of carbon from the atmosphere.

No matter what we come up with, something like that is going to be necessary soon, since it is highly unlikely that major governments in Europe, North America or China are going to enact policy that puts an appropriate price on carbon anytime soon.


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Thanks for this Chris (4.00 / 1)
Great coverage on this bill.

I'd love a tree-planting program.  I also think it's very important that we also have a rainforest restoration program, particularly in the Amazon.

Also, if we're talking about geo-engineering, prepare for that debate to get hijacked by "carbon sequestering" and other such nonsense.


I'm not sure if tree planting is going to do the job (4.00 / 2)
definitely not in the U.S., where reforestation is already taking place as small farms deserted long ago are grown over. The same phenomenon is already taking place in some areas in Central America (I believe Costa Rica and Panama are the examples I heard, but don't hold me to that) as rural people move to the cities to find work and leave small farms behind. Brazil is a different beast, though. Don't get me wrong, I love planting trees as much as the next guy (I'm a Ph.D. student in plant/coral reef biology) but I don't think it's going to be sufficient. A great blog on climate change and coral reefs is www.climateshifts.org , written by one of the leading scientists in the field.

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Bio-capture portfolio (0.00 / 0)
We really need a portfolio of biological capture mechanisms. Trees are good. Algae can also be good. One of the things to be sure of is that the organisms don't quickly get decomposed by bacteria.

But the sad fact is we've dug up and burned 10s of 1,000,000s of years worth of "captured" biomass in the past millenium. Rebalancing that will require some mechanism (still possibly biological) to create non-gaseous carbon that's also biologically inedible.

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I'm Thinking Maybe (0.00 / 0)
Some combo of algae and nanotechnology?  If we can get the nanotech to self-replicate, then we'd really have something.

'Course then we'd have the whole nanotechnology-taking-over-the-planet problem.

Details, details....

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Sierra Club called me. (0.00 / 0)
Wanted me to help whip it.  Told her no way.  It wasn't worth the time and energy, and it was the Democrats' fault. She thanked me for not being rude to her and hung up.

If anybody thinks I'm going to spend my life running around with my hair on fire trying to make those asses in DC do the right thing, I'm not.  It is equivalent to  "write your Congressman" or going to a city hall meeting where the purpose is to let people complain because they intend to do it anyway.  


They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


Another great post (0.00 / 0)
Chris,

Thanks again for your good work on this--I hadn't connected the dots, but it all makes a lot of sense now. I guess when you have an administration that is assuming we're going over 450ppm, than all that matters is that you pass some kind of bill.  The targets don't matter anymore.  


A Couple of Points--With Frisbees At L-6 (4.00 / 1)
This is all basically niggling, as I agree with the main thrust of the diary.  Still, niggling has its place.

(1) The paper on stability of legislation looks very good, just scanning the first few pages.  Would that Obama had read it.  

(2) Even so, such a statistical approach can only tell you so much, as I'm a great believer in the impact of historical forces, which can, among other things, bring political coalitions together and tear them apart.

Right now, the GOP coalitions is being ripped apart, but the Dems are doing a piss-poor job of taking advantage and doing things to take advantage of the strong hand they've just been dealt. Being faced with this sort of situation provides a different setting than we had in 1993-94, for example, the last time a Dem trifecta presented us with a statistically similar potential.

(3) The policy failure is the most important point.  Where the initial impression from Chu's appointment was that Obama was seriously going to be science-driven and reality-based in his policy-making, it now turns out that it only means an anomalous degree of candor over his failure.  As booby prizes go, this is pretty good, I guess.

(4) I"m all in favor of tree-planing.  But as a carbon sequestration strategy, this obviously works best with fast-growing trees.  I'm no expert here, but I'd suppose there comes an age when it makes most sense to cut down old trees and plant new ones.  The question then becomes, what to do with the old trees.  Obviously, not burning.  So what sort of future-oriented uses might we come up with?

(5) More fundamentally, if biological carbon sequestration is the game, then it might make most sense to go for genetic engineering of simple organisms to do the sequestration at maximum efficiency.

(6) Frisbee-sized mirrors at L-6 that can be reoriented once the job is done still seems plausible to me.  Or heck, we could just breed us some genetically modified space dogs and tell them to go fetch.

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i'm in! (4.00 / 2)
I favor any course of action involving mutant space dogs.

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That's a really interesting comment from Chu (4.00 / 1)
I surprised he's being as straightforward as that in talking about geo-engineering, but I'm not surprised be thinks it will be needed. Any honest and competent scientist in this area would likely agree that our children will have a very lousy old age without a major engineering effort to cool down the planet.

Geo-engineering is the only alternative to a worldwide economic collapse and die-back, and I hope some realistic ideas emerge before we are too impoverished to implement them. My main fear now is that if we ramp up coal mining really fast, we will not be able to stay ahead of the greenhouse effect even with geo-engineering.

By the way, successful geo-engineering probably implies an effective world government of some form. "Give me world government or give me death," does not sound like much a slogan, but those are the choices.


Have we abandoned the idea of the Counter Culture? (4.00 / 1)
Because of its electoral failure?

Almost anything good the human race ever did was unpopular initially.


had the votes Tuesday? (0.00 / 0)
Wrong.  How do you explain this, which happened on the floor of the House during the debate?  From AP:

Some of the dealmaking had a distinct political feel. Rep. Alan Grayson, a first-term Democrat, won a pledge of support that $50 million from the proceeds of pollution permit sales in the bill would go to a proposed new hurricane research facility in his district in Orlando, Fla.

That was a close vote.  And it mattered.  Biggest vote since the Civil Rights Act.  On to the Senate.


Biochar (0.00 / 0)
Burning plant mass in low oxygen yields a charcoal-like substance that can be used as a soil amendment, and sequesters carbon for thousands of years. We know this because a form of it was produced by ancient tribes, under the name of "terra preta".

This is the only solution I have heard of that sounds like it will actually work.

But nothing will suffice to reverse the process as long as we burn coal.


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