Changing More Than Congress--Altering The Online/Offline Ecology Of American Politics

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 19:00


The week before last (week of June 15), TPMCafe hosted a book club discussion of Eric Bohlert's Bloggers on the Bus: How the Internet Changed Politics and the Press, which was as much a forward-looking discussion of the future of blogging as it was a backwards-looking discussion of the Eric's book and the history it covers.  One reason for this was that everyone pretty much agreed-Eric got it where earlier authors did not.  So discussions of the past linked more naturally to forward-looking speculation than to criticism of Eric's narrative.

That forward-looking discussion links quite naturally, I think, with my earlier diary, Changing The Dynamic of Congress--"The Choice Is Ours", and where I want to go next-into a deeper look at what it will take to change the dynamic, not just of Congress, but of American politics more generally.  An added factor is the perspective I articulated in my series "Three Waves and A Wall: 2008 And The American Future, dealing with the confluence of macro-historical forces in our time, which I'll briefly recapitulate below.

But before doing that, I just want to note that Eric's first post, "The Rise of the Liberal Blogosphere", kicks off by mentioning Chris as the very first blogger he talks about:

In the introduction of my book, Bloggers on the Bus: How the Internet Changed Politics and the Press, I highlighted a YouTube clip from 2006, right after the mid-term elections, when blogger Chris Bowers is talking into the camera (I think) of Matt Stoller and Bowers answers the question: What does it take to be a liberal blogger? He starts listing all the requirements: "If you have no children, no one to support, and no career ambitions, then you too can become a full-time progressive blogger, as long as you're wiling to do nothing else in your entire life."

There's more about Chris in that diary, so if nothing else, you should read it for that.  But there's actually a lot more, with folks like Amanda Marcotte, Armando Llorens, Greg Mitchell and Duncan Black weighing in. I want to cite a few of the things they said, before adding my two cents about how the blogosphere--along with the rest of the online new media--may be able to help do even more than any of the contributors to that discussion have imagined.  This is not, I hope, because of an over-inflated sense of the blogosphere's importance, but rather, because of a larger sense of its place within a broader inter-active, flat-hierarchy media environment and how that plays into some much, much bigger historical forces at work....

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Some Themes From the TPMCafe Discussion

Striking the theme of blogger's outsider roots, and continued outsider status, Amanda Marcotte wrote that this was a good thing, really:

Blogs were built up for a lot of reasons, but as Eric notes, most of us got into this, especially in the beginning, because we wanted to vent. We had no ambitions to change the world, and when we started to get pulled in that direction, most of us shrugged our shoulders and said you can't turn destiny away when it starts knocking on your door.

But like many of the bloggers Eric interviews note, ours is the energy of outsiders. The metaphor people grasp for more than anything is punk rock, and it's apt (especially the way that people who break into the mainstream are berated for selling out). So, instead of being mad at Obama for keeping us at a distance, I humbly suggest that he did us a favor. If he'd brought the bloggers into his inner circle, then it would be a lot harder for us to criticize him and hold him accountable for what appears to be a long 4-8 years of selling out progressive values because the skittish Democratic mindset is kicking in.

Being outsiders actually makes us better allies to the Democrats when they actually deserve it. There were Clinton camps and Obama camps, but both camps jumped all over Chris Matthews for his relentless sexism towards Clinton, which is easier for us to do as we're independent and don't have to worry too much about whether our words reflect poorly on this campaign or that campaign's message.

In his diary  "Why Elections Will Continue to Lean Left Due to the Web", Greg Mitchell. editor of Editor & Publisher offered a view from his perch as an internal critic of the journalism establishment, citing the way in which the internet performed an important, here-to-fore missing journalistic function:

I guess I feel that the uprising on the left side of online, pushed also by generational and demographic changes, will keep the country at least somewhat to the left for many years. And you can quote me. In fact, I predicted that last year even before the current rise of Twitter.

I could go on and on, but let me just mention one reason for feeling this way: fact-checking and instant counter-punditry online. And I'll just cite one dramatic example.

Last fall's four major candidate debates could have swung the election, narrowly, to McCain. Obama's lead was not strong and we've seen before what can happen, with Reagan in 1980, Clinton in 1992 and Bush in 2000. Indeed, the performances by Obama or Biden in the four debates were not particularly strong. But the ticket won going away. For several reasons, of course, but I'd argue that online activity around the debates had a lot to do with it.

Why? You may recall that each of the debates ended with the TV commentators, by and large, claiming the Republican candidates (even Palin) surprisingly "held their own" and maybe even gained an edge. In elections past, this likely would have given the GOP a nice bump in the days that followed and led to a deadlock in the next polls.

But this year that "momentum" was blunted, even reversed by one big factor: the Web. Popular liberal sites immediately fact-checked the Republicans' statements and analyzed why those candidates had, in reality, lost ground. Even more importantly, this time around, various news organizations sponsored scientific instant polls and focus groups - and in every case (even over at Fox), they showed a landslide of public opinion in favor of the Democratic debater. Not even close. Palin, for example, had "held her own" against Biden only in the minds of the pundits.

The results not only came quickly, they were disseminated quickly via the Web, so the next day's news summaries all had to cite them.

It must have been humiliating for most of the TV pundits. One minute they were assuring viewers that McCain and Palin and held their own or more -and within a few minutes they had to cite polls showing that their analysis had been wholly wrong. Whoops.

In a follow-up diary, Eric picked up one of Amanda's themes, arguing that the outsider spirit live--and even has some impact on policy:

Generally, I think Amanda's right that the blogs can maintain an energy and passion by continuing with its outside status, even with a Democrat in the WH. (And I think lib bloggers have proved wrong their conservative critics who claimed they'd simply roll over for Obama in the WH and act as cheerleaders.) They key is that the blogosphere was never created (way back when) to be an appendage of the DNC. There are plenty other Beltway institutions that will robotically cheer Dem politicians no matter what they do. Instead, the blogs were created to give voice to liberalism in America. And if liberals today don't like some of the things they see in government, then the blogs are still quite willing to document that and give a cohesive voice to the left; a voice that did not exist the last time a Democrat was in the WH.

So I'd suggest that the question Armando raised about whether Obama will continue to receive the type of unquestioning love from the blogs (the kind of love he enjoyed last year) is being answered, and the answer is no. (See Amanda's comment re: DOMA.) And those critiques, I'd argue, are paying off. Witness the announcement about Obama extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.

But Duncan Black offers a more nuanced view, seeing blogging's impact as perhaps more cultural--creating a liberal narrative--and seeing the major limit of blogging's impact coming from congressional staffers who still don't quite get a clear sense of how bloggers could be more valuable through working more closely together:

To me, since the beginning, the blogosphere's key feature has been to provide a sustained and cohesive unapologetic liberal narrative not found elsewhere. While I certainly hope that the Obama administration moves the country in a more progressive direction, and I will continue to push for this, like Amanda I don't have any sense bloggers are owed some sort of seat at the table.

The important failure of Democrats, particular the more liberal Dems who are obvious allies, to engage the blogosphere effectively comes not from the Obama administration but from members of Congress, and their staffs, who have never understood well enough the power of having alternative ways of getting information and messages out. Liberal blogs have never been empowered by those they have been trying to aid.

Arguably liberal bloggers can, and some have certainly tried to, do more to empower themselves, to leverage what influence they have to greater ends. And, arguably, we should. But few of us started ranting away on the internet with the expectation that we would be sitting down with members of Congress or administration officials. We didn't start blogging because we thought it would change the world.

Three Waves and A Wall Redux

If all these bloggers have valuable insights--and they do--what they don't have is any sort of definitive stance with respect to larger historical forces.  And that's the new element I hope to add to this mix.  This is not to say that I claim to know what will happen, much less what must happen.  But I do think I have a sense of some major macro-historical factors that indicate something of what may happen, of possibilities that exist now which did not exist eight or 12 or 16 or 60 years ago.  I wrote about them before in an early 2008 series "Three Waves and A Wall: 2008 And The American Future.  As I explained in the first diary in the series,
the three waves are:

  1. The roughly 32-40 year cycle of American Party Systems, described by political theorists such as V.O. Key and Walter Dean Burnham.

  2. The rise and fall of successive world powers-Spain, Holland, Britain, and now us-described by former GOP uber-guru Kevin Phillips in Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich.

  3. The recent wave of "post-materialist" values surveyed on a worldwide basis over the past several decades by the World Values Survey, and described most fully in the work of social scientist Ronald Inglehart.

The first wave helps explain why the GOP is in such total disarray.  Were it not for the wall (described below) and its disorienting effect on Democrats, we'd be in the midst of a full-fledged realignment more similar to the aftermath of the 1932 election than anything seen since, except, perhaps the aftermath of the 1964 election, when Lyndon Johnson managed to push through an impressive array of programs largely intended to fulfill ambitious first stirred in the early post-1932 period.

The last time we had such an election was the anomalous 1968 election, which ushered in an era of divided government, the only such period in American history.  Although nothing is written in stone, the pattern of history strongly suggests that the 2008 election will usher in a period of Democratic dominance lasting roughly 36 years.  However, the example of 1896, which began a period of Republican dominance, clearly warns us that there's no assurance the dominant party will be internally unified or coherent.

The second wave indicates that we're at the end of a period reactionary politics that typically follows a stinging defeat at the peak of imperial power (the Vietnam War).  The previous three dominant world powers turned their politics in a decidedly more egalitarian direction once the reactionary period came to a close.

The financial collapse of fall 2008 was tailor made for ushering in this change, however (as part of the "wall" described below), Barack Obama turned out to be much more deeply committed the worldview of finance capitalism than anyone seemed to previously realize, and this has lead to a significant blockage of this otherwise expected transition.  

The third wave is very much associated with values of democratic participation, self-expression, gender equaltiy, and environmentalism, which have infused the online world not just in America, but around the world, including, as we have recently seen, such supposedly "other" cultures as Iran.

Then there was what the waves were crashing up against--the wall, as described in Part Four:

these forces stand opposed by a powerful obstructing wall, which I have referred to repeatedly under the rubric of hegemony, which has both an institutional and an ideological aspect.  The ideology is authoritarian, anti-modern, anti-reason, and anti-democracy.  Over the past decade, it has sought to overturn one election (1996) by hounding an elected President into acts of desperation for which it then sought to remove him from office.  It sought-successfully, to steal another election in broad daylight by usurping the popular will and preventing the counting of ballots, based on legal "reasoning" by the Supreme Court which were declared null and void for any other purposes.  It virtually ignored a mass murderer responsible for killing 3,000 Americans, and fraudulently took us to war with that mass murderer's chief ideological rival. It sought to turn the entire executive branch-but especially the Department of Justice-into an arm of the Republican National Committee, in a quest to establish permanent one-party rule. It sought to undermine the separation of powers, the architectural keystone of Constitution. It sought to nullify the right to habeas corpus, dating back to 1215 and the Magna Charta.  It sought to turn the Federal Government into an instrument for taxing the public in order to amass enormous private wealth for friends of the President, Vice President and the Republican Party.

In short, it sought to turn America into a neo-feudal, pre-modern state.  This agenda is so deeply and profoundly anti-American that the nation as a whole is in revolt.  Approximately 50 percent of all Americans strongly disapprove of President Bush's job performance.  At this point, four things, above all, are keeping back the tide of sweeping change.  One, a deeply intimidate political "opposition" that is more like the GOP's hapless sidekick than a real opposition party.  Two, a press corps[e] that functions primarily as a palace propaganda machine.  Three, a broader array of institutional power, from politicized churches, to propagandistic "think tanks" to ideologically lock-step federal judges, that is militantly opposed to allowing even the slightest moves in the direction of changing course.  Four, a public that has long been starved of any truly oppositional political discourse, so that it has an extremely difficult time formulating anything it wants in positive terms that are recognizable to more than a fragment of the public at large.

This is the nature of the wall.

Today, I would be inclined to put that somewhat differently.  The Democrats are not simply intimidated, as I wrote in the passage above, they are also deeply constrained by having internalized a good deal of rightwing GOP ideology.  But for the most part, the descriptions I offered in early 2008 still serve our discussion today.

Our Place In the Macro-Picture

So how does the framework just described relate to the future of blogging as discussed at TPMCafe?  Simple answer?  It tosses us into a multi-dimensional blender, and says, "Have fun!"  While many people feel an understandable sense of let-down, the framework above suggests that we're just passing through a phase that's deceptively slow-moving and static.  The fact that Obama's major policy initiatives are both disappointingly centrist and diminutive will not be the end of the story, given the dynamics of history at play.

For example, thinking only in terms of the first wave, for the moment-as if it could be considered in isolation-we need to let go of our disappointment that this isn't going to be 1933 with FDR's Hundred Days.  Truth be told, FDR's Hundred Day wasn't all that hot, either.  The first New Deal wasn't nearly as progressive as the second one, passed after the first one had largely fizzled and business elites had turned against Roosevelt.  And though there's some small hope that we might follow a similar path, that hope, too, should be set aside.  A much more plausible guide for what we're going through would be the rather decisive, but deeply ambiguous realignment of 1896.  Not that we're living through an exact re-run-we aren't-but that a similar set of tensions are at play.  Consider these three points:

(1) Like the Republican Party after 1896, the Democratic Party today is deeply divided against itself, which can potentially cripple its ability to definitively set the political agenda for new roughly-36-year cycle.  

(2) Unlike the post-1896 era, there is presently little potential for something like the bipartisan Progressive Movement to emerge.  Moreover, to the extent it is possible, this would not be a progressive movement, even in the somewhat conflicted sense of the original Progressive Movement.  The record of Washington bipartisanship in recent years has routinely been retrograde, and shows every sign of continuing to be so.

While the Progressives were generally hostile to the Socialists who had a strong base in the recent immigrant class, they nonetheless shared some concerns in common, and their political competition sometimes resulted in genuine progress.  This cannot be said of present-day DC-based bipartisanship.  However, a similar alliance of techno-elitists and scruffy grassroots radical types definitely can be envisioned not just on net neutrality and related new media issues, but also, potentially, on campaign finance reform.  This, in turn, genuinely could start to move mountains.  This was brought up in a discussion thread on Chris's dairy, "I Got The 'Make Them Do It' Blues".  Yoda made a comment raising the issue of the Clean Elections model and the surprising depth of ignorance about it on progressive blogs.  (Yes, I take the hint.  I'll be writing something about it soon, I promise). A few other commentators joined in as well. In particular, bruorton added:

I came on the thread to make exactly this point.  Time to start coalescing the movement for public financing -- perhaps a timely addition to OpenLeft's excellent projects list?  It is entirely possible, starting now, that we could propel this into a 2012 campaign issue.

First, it will need to be a 2010 campaign issue.  One opening is the public perception of corporate lobbyists, which led to pledges in the '08 primaries to take various steps to block them from the WH.  There is also Lessig's Change-Congress.org which could be a key player here.

This could be a real rallying cry for the many Democrats who do not see the dramatic changes in government they were expecting.

As disappointment with Obama's diminutive agenda sinks in over the next few weeks, months and years, substantially canceling the concentrated power of money in our politics could well emerge as the defining issue long enough for something truly transformational to be done.  This is one way, of many that next few years of this highly-contested realignment could unfold.

(3) Directly contrary to Teddy Roosevelt among the Republican leadership of the 1896 era, the Democrats' most charismatic leader, Barack Obama, is aligned with the party establishment against the reformers, despite some very sparkling rhetoric to the contrary.  The firmness of this alliance has yet to be seriously tested.  If progressives in the Democratic Party mounted serious pressure, Obama might shift his allegiances somewhat, but this is yet to become a serious possibility--although that could be about to change (or is that merely the perpetual illusion with Obama?).

If we add the third wave of post-materialism to the mix, we can add:

(4) Just as Obama's charisma connected to the party establishment reverses the historical precedent of the 1896 era, there is a linked reversal in realm of post-materialist values. Obama is much more in tune with the expressive nature of such values, even though he is actually less supportive of the substance.  This relates to the discussion above of his distancing from the blogosphere on the one hand, coupled with his sophisticated use of other online technology, and it contrasts with the more politically progressive members of Congress, and their failure to develop more effective partnerhips with progressive bloggers, also referenced in the TPMCafe discussion, by Duncan Black.

It's as if there were a cross-wiring of the natural connections one would expect from the macro-historical patterns.  History, however, is filled with such examples.  History is conflictual, not logical.  Nonetheless, the existence of such contradictions always holds out the potential for resolution.  Furthermore, if the blogosphere is to play a role in resolving such contradictions, we damn sure need to get much clearer on what they are and how they work.

And now to Wave 2:

(5) The attempt to preserve existing levels of elite privilege, most notably in the concentrated power of the financial sector, is almost certainly doomed to fail.  The manner in which it will fail, and the fallout that follows from the failure, are far less certain.  Nor is the time-frame in any way certain.  But the continued well-known (though routinely denied) problems of the financial sector have strong historical parallels from earlier historical examples.  Such levels of inequality are simply not sustainable, unless we set off on a new historical tangent, in which case the result is likely to be deeply confrontational, if not bloody.


Connecting all the above with my previous diary, Changing The Dynamic of Congress--"The Choice Is Ours", it is at least plausible that the creation of Progressive Block refusing to vote for fatally compromised legislation could trigger a much broader realignment of forces, resolving some of the contradictions referred to above.  Underlying this potential is the objective reality that Obama's stated goals cannot be realized by the strategy of top-down bipartisan compromise.

This strategy has already produced a fatally undersized stimulus package, and is on the verge of producing similarly inadequate climate change legislation, with a similar fate facing health care reform.  While there may be short-term political gains to be made just from passing anything, no matter how inadequate, such a strategy cannot hold for long.  Whatever else it may be, it is definitely not a strategy for ensuring political dominance for a roughly-36-year-cycle of American political history.

The question, quite simply, is whether the various tensions at play can be tamed and contained by the political establishment, or if they will swing increasingly out of control, forcing actions that will in turn create further openings for progressives to bring pressure to bear, and advance new political agendas.  The brief survey above is meant to suggest some of the tensions at play beneath the surface of the current play of GOP disarray and Democratic disappointment.  

But we would be remiss to also not add the increasing role of international relations that are increasingly liberated from Washington control, and increasingly close to the American people.  The Iranian election aftermath is the big example of this so far, but it's unlikely to be the last, though others will surely take much different forms.  The simple fact is, we are finally becoming the global village that Marshall McLuhan wrote about, not just in fact, but in common experience.  Iran's meaning is dense, dynamic, complex and immediate-it is half like a mirror to us, half like a lover ("I'll Be Your Mirror" as Nico sang.)  

I would like to have made this a much tighter, neater narrative, but the very messiness I'm wallowing in is part of the point.  That's no excuse really, just an admission that I'm not really on top of this, still struggling in early stages of trying to make sense of how a wide ranging confluence of forces is not about to leave us alone.  But if I wait to have it all figured out, I know it will be too late.  

The group mind is orders of magnitude smarter than any of us, and that's the biggest point of all to be made here.  It's not so much that bloggers can change the world.  It's that bloggers are part of the emerging world mind , and because we are here that world mind has a different configuration than if we didn't exist.  We're a long, long way from having the influence that the brain-dead troglodytes of Versailles have, but as Greg Mitchell notes above, we have enough influence that we may well have kept them from pocketing the election for McCain-Palin.  Thus, however painfully obvious it is to us how much power we don't have, our very presence has altered the world mind in ways we can't usually perceive.  

If there are things we can do to be significantly more powerful, those things will primarily be by way of making stronger connections with others-and by way of taking leaps that usually can't be foreseen in advance.  It's not us, individually, or even collectively as the blogosphere that has real power.  It's larger interconnectivity of which we are a part.  And if DC right now can't make heads nor tails of us, we should probably worry more about the larger circle of people in the world we have yet to connect to who make us feel the same way.  There's an enormous world of outsiders out there, and our job is to include them all.

It's with this sense of our own intermediary place in the scheme of things that I conclude with some tentative suggestions about things we might do, collaborating with others, to alter the shape of the emerging global mind, the ecology of our shared imaginary landscape.  None of this can we do alone.  Or even do at all.  At best, we can facilitate a coming together that creates it.  In that spirit, here's a sample list of three briefly-described suggestive ideas:

    (1) Intensifying connections between blogs, advocacy groups, experts and geographically specific constituencies capable of directly lobbying representatives at every level from city councils, up through state legislatures and on to Congress. A possibly-rear-view-mirror view of what this might look like would include a dense interconnection of national-, state-, legislative district-, county- and city-level blogs, with software capable of automatically republishing a diary from one blog to another, as well as a wide spectrum of media-embedding tools, and real-time online conferencing capabilities.

    As an example, Chris's Friday diary "Senator Dorgan Supports The Public Option" showed the importance state blogs can have, pointing the way to potentially much greater influence in the future--particularly as an integrated part of more diverse coalition efforts:

    In the effort to pass a public health care option, state blogs are going to be key. Today, North Decoder, a great state blog out of North Dakota, shows why.

    Elected officials are very responsive to local media. As such, North Decoder has been pressing the state's two Democratic Senators to make a public statement on the public option. Entering today, Stand with Dr. Dean listed both Senators Conrad and Dorgan as "unknowns" on the public option. However, due to the efforts of North Decdorer to push Conrad and Dorgan to provide answers, we can now put Byron Dorgan in the "yes" column.


    Imagine what it would be like to have similar coverage at every level of government, from city council districts on up. That sort of citizen media coverage, linked to organized activists could seriously challenge the power of special interests, particularly if we passed clean election laws nationwide. The point here is not what bloggers alone can do, but what we can play a role in bringing into being.

    (2) Developing a coherent methodology of policy preference polling that can be deployed at any geographical level, so that broad public priorities can be identified, positions of overwhelming public consensus-such as current support for the public option-can be promoted as essential components of any proposed legislation, and so that areas of fundamental differences can be identified for intensive work on developing new perspectives and possibilities that can bring about new foundations for agreement.

    The pioneering work on this has already been done, most notably by self-described "public interest" pollster Alan Kay, as described in his book Locating Consensus for Democracy - A Ten-Year U.S. Experiment . Kay developed a set of strategies-such as presenting people with a broad set of options relative to a general goal, asking sequences of questions designed to reveal underlying attitudes and preferences, and approaching the same subject from two or more different directions-that are far removed from the sorts of strategies that naturally fit well with elite political priorities.

    Kay's work can be expanded on by integrating with the sort of polling by our old friend Sun Tzu who did the polling and analysis for the MyDD poll Chris conceived-polling that illuminates the nature of hidden blocks of voters. There is tremendous untapped potential here for understanding the nature of public opinion, simply because the kinds of knowledge I'm talking about is not of interest to political elites, and hence has not been the subject of sustained, systematic investigation. As a connective community space, the blogosphere could help change all that.

    (3) Developing a multi-skill training program for citizen activists to empower people to do everything from citizen journalism to running a statewide campaign. This would include both traditional skill sets and ones that progressives have generally lagged in, such as communicating policy advocacy in terms of values, as advocated by George Lakoff. By shifting as much of this as possible into online media training formats, we can maximize the value of live trainers providing the kinds of sensitive, interactive instruction that cannot be duplicated in any other form.

None of the above can be done by bloggers alone.  We cannot will them into existence.  Which is why I offer them only as a list of suggestive ideas.  My point is not that we should do these particular things, but to suggest that there is an entire realm of activities we can engage in that we have not even begun to consider that could substantially empower common citizens to become much more powerful political actors.  And it would be a very good idea indeed for us to spend some time thinking about new ways to empower the other 290-some-million citizen outsiders in America today.


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Accidental change agents (4.00 / 2)
One of the points made is that Teddy Roosevelt was a change agent leading the governing political party whereas so far Obama has leaned towards the establishment.  TR was not elected President in either 1896 or 1900.  In fact, he was added to the Republican ticket as the second banana to the establishment William McKinley in order to prevent reform.  Specifically, TR was a surprisingly reformist Governor of NY (then easily the largest state like CA today).  The NY bosses saw placing him on the national ticket as a nifty way to end reform in NY at no cost.  An assassin's bullet and lousy medical care substituted TR for McKinley.  The Karl Rove of the day, Mark Hanna, was distrought that "that damned cowboy" was President.

A second road to reform is the election of a presumed establishment candidate who turns into a reformer.  A great example of that is Lazaro Cardenas in Mexico.  I can make the case that the "moderate" Abraham Lincoln played the same part.  Similarly, FDR in 1932 presented himself as far more conservative than he became.

Well, I don't see Joe Biden as the reformer shoved onto the ticket to remove him from the national scene nor do I see any personal threats arising.  The best chance is the hidden reformer.  Lincoln may have waited to nudge the public opinion but compared to other successful northern politicians he was unwilling to give up on core principles and his party was quite happy to enact a generation of unpassed legislation now that the southern roadblock was temporarily gone.

We don't have a Cardenas, a Lincoln, an FDR, even a TR or Jefferson just yet.  The question becomes whether circumstances and/or pressures from below can make him into a genuine reformer.  One advantage of a tabula rasa election is that the candidate can appeal to widely different voters.  A second advantage is that anything is possible.  Well, how do we get anything to be our anything?


Excellent Historical Summary/Observations (4.00 / 3)
I clearly don't pin my hopes on the presidency.

What you say about TR is spot on, but of course, they tried to get rid of him precisely because he was so damn charismatic.  Nonetheless, it was the desire for what he represented that made him so.  It was just personal magnetism--though of course he had that.  It was personal magnetism wedded to a vision.

This was also somewhat true of Obama, but

    (A) The vision was blurred: "Change" plus "bipartisanship" really didn't add up, given how inflexibly partisan the GOP leadership was/is and how Obama intended "bipartisanship" to be an elite affair, rather than a mass one.

    (B) The House Dems did even better than he did, so his charisma didn't really show up in conventional political terms.

So, to cut a long story short, I'm just not going to worry about all the above.  I'll think about it, to be sure.  It's fascinating to think about.  But I don't think it holds the key to anything.  Above all, Obama seems like a chameleon to me.  He's more comfortable blending in with the big gray establishment.  But he can handle stippling with dabs of outrageous colors just fine.

The key here comes from Lincoln: "As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country."  

People then were enthralled to the past.  Right now, far too many Dems are enthralled with Obama.  But the basic message applies equally in both cases.  Obama is not a god.  Nor did he claim to be one.  He said that we could succeed together.  It's time for folks to start believing him rather than believing in him.  We need to believe in ourselves, just like he said.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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The function of blogs (4.00 / 2)
As I see it, the blogs are a sort of catalytic agent, the first move in the disenthrallment process. Once people actually have a plausible counter-narrative to refer to in making their day-to-day judgments, you'll find that you hear it in more and more places, and eventually, I think you'll see the conventional wisdom broaden to accommodate it. It's a first step, but an important one.

In another context, I called this a search for new technologies of decentralization. I think that these are located first in the realm of ideas, but don't stop there.

In any event, I agree that our present status quo is far too overcommitted to its own preservation at any cost, and consequently too fragile to maintain its grip on us for much longer. I also agree that what happens once its grip starts to loosen may not always turn out to be benign. History suggests, though, that we'll have to go through it no matter how it turns out.


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Indeed. As The Old Song Says, "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do" (4.00 / 1)
Just ask Governor Sanford.

No, wait.  I actually have a whole long, humnongous diary coming tomorrow that will place this comment in a strangely different light.  I promise you!

Not to leave everything in a state of total cryptographic bluritude, let me just say that I agree wholeheartedly, especially when it comes to this:

In another context, I called this a search for new technologies of decentralization. I think that these are located first in the realm of ideas, but don't stop there.

We're just fortunate to be living in a time when everything's accelerating, and the barriers between the realm of ideas and everything else are melting as never before.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Bright and early tomorrow, I hope, (0.00 / 0)
while I'm still smart enough to absorb it. A book, Paul, or several books -- you're chipping away at stones that people have been ignoring for years, and shaping them into something which I believe will prove to be very important.

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I'm Not Sure (0.00 / 0)
It's not finished, and my energy's starting to flag. I may need to slot a shorter diary first.  But it will be a morning diary--at least by Pacific Coast time.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Lesson from TR: (0.00 / 0)
If you plan to fight for change, be prepared to take a bullet.

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Great post (4.00 / 2)
Like you, I don't know how this will all play out or what exactly we should do. But I do feel that lots of pieces of the puzzle are falling into place and that some trigger event may suddenly make it all manifest. I can imagine 20 million Americans in the street -- just like in Iran -- demanding an honest government, a more fair tax system, renewable energy, single-payer healthcare, etc. I don't know what would motivate people to suddenly go to the streets and demand this, but I can imagine it happening. And the blogosphere would clearly be a critical player.

Like a good nonviolent action, there must be conflict that grabs attention and an issue that people feel deeply. There must be a clear and good progressive solution and some event or action must clearly illuminate why the current system is bad and why the progressive alternative is clearly superior. The conflict must come to a critical juncture and pose enough danger/opportunity that it makes people want to check the blogs every 15 minutes to find out what is happening and to read long background articles that explain what, how, and why.

Just as the Vietnam war and the military draft focused the attention of millions of 18-year old students, there must be something that will grab the attention of millions. I don't yet know what it is -- perhaps climate collapse, deadly pandemic, financial collapse, world war -- but it feels like something is coming.

Fortunately, I think that all our hard work over the past 40 years has built a reasonably strong progressive structure. There is a lot of knowledge, a lot of connections, and a lot of resources ready and available, and many activists and bloggers who could facilitate a rapid expansion of understanding and action.

Perhaps, the waves you describe will finally crash over the wall.


here it comes (0.00 / 0)
the fourth turning

As Food for Thought goes, this is one helluva buffet (4.00 / 1)
I have to come back to this, as I'm tied up cooking for a while and will not likely be back after dinner, due to some impending inebriation with friends.

But I will at some point, because you're firing on all cylinders (in a big way) and it would be a shame to just let this go.

FWIW, I think you're close to something that should be broadcast well beyond this blog, if you're not there already.

My lasting impression from your posts today is that it would be silly not to greatly expand this discussion along these lines. I'm now very curious as to how certain other people would react to this chain of thought.

"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


Thanks. (4.00 / 1)
Enjoy your impending inebriation with friends.

I do, indeed, want to take this further into the world. But I'd like to get more feedback here first.  So do check in tomorrow morning at your earliest convenience.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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I like where you are going, and find (0.00 / 0)
that although there is some recognition of not continuing to put faith in Obama to solve problems, when I speak to people involved in Democratic politics, there are still way too many defenders of the cult of personality to get much air to my discussions.

I am a member of Democrats Abroad, and live in Australia. Many of our members were die hard Obamatrons, and consider me one of the old "fools" who is cynical and does not understand Obama, and how can I speak so harshly??

When so many of our own cannot see the truth in front of their own eyes, even when I constantly link to news stories that lay out what Obama is really doing, (Glenzilla, Krugman, Marcy Wheeler & Jane Hamsher, Mike Lux, Chris Bowers, You), they read it, then nod, but it is obvious they still put their hope in Obama.

But as you said above, that will not continue for much longer, as the caving of the Democrats on a public option will prove shortly.


+100 (0.00 / 0)
I don't really care a whole lot about "sweetness and light" (assuming that not to be ironic) -- let alone the charisma or personal awesomeness of "Dear Leader" (as David Sirota put it here, shortly before his departure). I leave that to the insiders, the wannabe insiders, and the fans.

I do care about policy, and there the continuities between this administration and the last are just as obvious as the differences, whether the issue is executive power (and secrecy and torture), the response to the financial crisis, or ending America's imperial role.

Oh, and I don't accept the "cave" narrative for the Dems. I think they do what they do because they  believe in it. The goal of health care "reform," framed as it is in terms of "cost", is to prop up the for-profit business model of the health insurance companies by guaranteeing them a market through the mandate, and then offering a subsidy for universality (which will then be chipped away at, budgetary cycle after budgetary cycle). So I don't worry about the Dems caving on the public option -- I worry about them writing legislation that's so favorable to the insurance companies we end up paying more for less, forcing the country to spend another 15 years or so figuring out that Yes, we have a problem, and Yes, the "uniquely American" approach has failed, and what we should have done is take a science-based approach and see how other countries have achieved success.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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Half And Half (0.00 / 0)
The "cave" narrative may not be accurate for some, but it is for others, and this varies from one fight to another.  It's good to make people more conscious and less reflective in using it, but it's also mistaken to throw everyone into the same bin under a different all-inclusive narrative, too.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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By "the Dems" (0.00 / 0)
... I mean "the Dems" as an institution, as a party. Obviously, there are plenty of individuals within the party who may resist the direction that the Democratic party is trending, but that doesn't mean that the institution isn't doing what it's doing.

Unfortunately, the only way to hold an institution accountable is exactly by treating it as "an all inclusive bin." Individuals who don't wish to be held accountable for the sins or actions of the institution in which they participate always have the option of leaving it; this is the dilemma of Exit, Voice, and Loyalty.

So, I don't view your "all inclusive narrative" response as on point. Sorry.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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I've Always Seen The Party As A Site Of Struggle (0.00 / 0)
Which is pretty much the exact opposite of seeing it as an all-inclusive bin.

And since I've centered my activism on issues, not party politics, Hirschman's formulation doesn't fully capture where I stand.  T'wood be different if I were a different person.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Boelhert: Those who do not learn from history... (4.00 / 1)
From this online interview with Boehlert, regarding the blogosphere's editorial product in 2008:

What don't they want people to know/remember/understand about what happened - and why?
[BOEHLERT] I think it's pretty simple: the blogosphere acted in a way that lots of people who have been part of it for a long time were surprised and upset about. It didn't really live up to its previous standards and it's somewhat natural for people not to want to dwell on those stumbles.
Are they, in your estimation, trying to avoid coming to terms with what happened, themselves -- and why?
No, that's not the sense I get. Instead, more just not wanting to live through the unpleasantness within the larger community.
Are there important lessons that could and should be learned by looking back?
Sure. My feeling is that people think the 2008 turbulence online represented a once-in-a-lifetime situation and that the ugly fracture that occurred won't happen again. But if nothing is learned from 2008 I'm pretty sure it will happen again (I have no idea what the circumstances and players will be) and participants will act surprised all over again.

Now, it's possible that some regard the "ugly fracture" of 2008 as a positive good; I'm not sure if I'm in that camp or not. What I do know is that, possibly for reasons that Boehlert gives above, many high-profile bloggers just don't want to talk about it. The euphemism Rosenberg gives for this process of denial is "forward-looking" (oddly reminiscent of Obama's views on holding torturers accountable).

For me, the opportunity cost of the "ugly fracture" of 2008 was the hope that the blogosphere could replace our famously free press -- instead of becoming more like it. Oh well.

NOTE The coverage of Boehlert's book has been oddly, or not, uneven. It hasn't been front-paged at Kos, for example, although FDL did a live blog. TPM doesn't treat the book as a story, as news -- that's the editorial message of placing it in the Cafe section with bite-sized Op-Eds on it. And for some reason, marginalized C-list bloggers like VastLeft at Corrente and eRiposte at Left Coaster did probing, lengthy, and detailed Q&A with Boehlert to set the record straight, in great contrast to the fly-weight thumbsuckers posted by WKJM and cited here.



I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


OTOH (0.00 / 0)
I've never been into candidate-centered politics anywhere near as much as most folks in the blogosphere, spent most of my life working issues on the fringes--anti-war, anti-intervention, environmental justice, renters rights, pro-immigrant, that kind of grassroots issue activism.  As a result, I really didn't feel strongly for any of the candidates, and didn't peg a lot of hopes on them.  So it's nothing new for me to be less concerned with political leaders and more concerned with building the base.

From my POV, relatively compromised candidates regularly split activists into competing camps for relatively small potatoes (coming form LA, I see this all the time in primaries for state assembly and senate, it's a major suckage factor in politics here).  This is a problem that needs to be addressed, but not crowd out everything else, which is why I didn't deal with it here.

Of course, the adoration vs. criticism of Obama dynamic is very much with us, and I'd originally planned to deal with it by discussing a couple of contrasting diaries from DKos itself.  But this diary was already long enough, thank you.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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What hand is that other hand, exactly? (0.00 / 0)
Boehlert -- and I -- am talking about "editorial product", and quality assurance, not candidate support, as you aver. That's why Boehlert writes, further in the same interview:
How would you define the "very important track [that] had been jumped during the heated campaign season," as disaffected Kos blogger Lee Stranahan calls it in your book? That is, what were the significant problems that manifested themselves?
[BOEHLERT] The biggest was simply the vacation the blogosphere, or portions of it, took from being a reality-based community. The fact that the previously high factual standards that bloggers and readers had set for themselves could so quickly be jettisoned was surprising and disturbing for a lot of people.

And if you're truly concerned with "with building the base," one small way to advance that task would be to link to real reportage that builds the factual base on these matters, as in the interviews with Boehlert at  (again) FDL, Corrente, and Left Coaster, none of which you link to, instead of taking "let's move on" throw-away pieces from TPM Cafe as your starting point.

Again, the issue for me is not candidate support, as you incorrectly state, but editorial quality, which is why I ended my comment:

[T]he opportunity cost of the "ugly fracture" of 2008 was the hope that the blogosphere could replace our famously free press -- instead of becoming more like it. Oh well.

Thus, and again, your response is not on point.

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


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I'm Afraid You Misunderstand The Purpose Of This Diary (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't trying to engage with Boehlert's book directly.  Simple reason: I haven't read it.  I was interested in the comments themselves because they raised issues that intersected with my followup intentions from my previous diary.

Thus, it's your comments themselves in the first place that weren't "on point".

That's perfectly fine, of course.  Creative interruption is sort of what it's all about online.  Just recognize what you're doing is all I'm trying to say.

For me, the bottom line is that I guess I'm not the least bit surprised.  This is what party politics do.  It's what they've always done.  Would it have been nice if the blogosphere had utterly changed that forever?  Sure.  It would be nice if it rained lemonade on command, too.  I'm not saying it's not important, not something to be concerned about.  It is both of them.  But I'm not Shocked! Shocked! the way you seem to be.

What this means is that I'm not having this conversation to deny the importance of the one you want to have.  Let's have both.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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It must have been the starting paragraph that confused me (0.00 / 0)
It read:
The week before last (week of June 15), TPMCafe hosted a book club discussion of Eric Bohlert's Bloggers on the Bus: How the Internet Changed Politics and the Press, which was as much a forward-looking discussion of the future of blogging as it was a backwards-looking discussion of the Eric's book and the history it covers.  One reason for this was that everyone pretty much agreed-Eric got it where earlier authors did not.  So discussions of the past linked more naturally to forward-looking speculation than to criticism of Eric's narrative

My bad for concluding you were trying to engage with Boehlert's book directly, then, and mistaking  a mere introductory throwaway paragraph, of no relevance to the rest of the post, for a lead.

I will return later to inquire into the question of whether it's possible to change an ecology without attending to the mulch of facts.

In the meantime, what in my comments leads you to run the riff that I'm "shocked, shocked?"  

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  


[ Parent ]
Maybe You Should Read The Title First (0.00 / 0)
Before reading the first paragraph.

But even the first paragraph pretty clearly directs attention to the TPMCafe discussion

which was as much a forward-looking discussion of the future of blogging as it was a backwards-looking discussion of the Eric's book and the history it covers.

at least that's what I thought it did when I wrote those words.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Feedback (4.00 / 1)
I wasn't sure exactly what kind of feedback you're looking for, but given that we've been talking about moving these ideas to a wider audience, I thought it might be more useful if I read this from the POV of someone who isn't already familiar with your work.

Disclaimer: I make no pretense of being right, so this is a good time to reach for the salt shaker (fleur de sel, preferably!).

First off, this can be tightened up quite a bit. IMO, the part about wave theories might tend to distract a reader who isn't up on all that and it doesn't strike me as a pivotal concept to this piece anyway. If you read from the intro section and jump straight into 1896, you'll notice no loss of continuity and the piece builds faster. There's a lot to digest here, so anything that might distract or weaken the larger frame should be cut or diminished IMO.

Second, I rather like the parallel with 1896, but that needs a little explaining up front to people who aren't all that aware of those circumstances. Namely, the Panic of 1873 led to 8 of the following 11 years being recessionary, with more recessions between then and 1896. This lowered the standard of living and did terrible damage to farming communities, as commodity prices were increasingly controlled by fewer people, the Goldman Sachs of their day, driving them into poverty. Indeed, more than half of Americans lived in poverty at the turn of the century, no?

Government was viewed as corrupt and unresponsive. It was and still is true.

Lastly, you're obviously making good connections. If this is intended for print, then this level of completeness is great, with some polishing. If it's intended for interaction on blogs, I might be more inclined to break this down a bit and provide more opportunities for discussion. I'm still getting used to the idea of interactive writing, so I could be wrong about that.

I appreciate your work. I do think it's important we collectively gain socio-historical perspective and use that to our advantage. Indeed, I think this kind of discussion is a good way of getting people organized around some bigger ideas. Bigger ideas can involve more people than smaller ideas. It's especially important to educate those progressives who don't yet have that perspective and bring them into the conversation. Pieces like this one certainly do help.



"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


Thanks, I Appreciate The Thought You Put Into This (0.00 / 0)
I will mull this over just as soon as I can get my hands on a good cup of mulled wine to go with it.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

[ Parent ]
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