It Is What Dems Are Forced To Do, Not What They Say, That Matters

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 00:04


Over the past few days, the progressive blogosphere has engaged itself in yet another pie fight over whether or not President Obama is teh awesome or teh suck. This particular fight arose from comments President Obama allegedly made about how progressive groups should supposedly stop attacking conservative Democrats:

President Obama, strategizing yesterday with congressional leaders about health-care reform, complained that liberal advocacy groups ought to drop their attacks on Democratic lawmakers and devote their energy to promoting passage of comprehensive legislation.

On the one hand, many bloggers are taking this to mean that President Obama is a corporate lackey siding with the conservative Democrats and that he wants his activists to be silent on health care reform. On the other hand, many bloggers are taking this as yet another brilliant move of Deep Blue-esque, ten-dimensional chess from the administration that is beyond the comprehension of mere "humans." Or, having been involved in about 6,744 of these arguments myself, at least I assume many bloggers are espousing those competing views.

Look people--whoever you are as I am being admittedly vague--it doesn't matter what President Obama says about process matters like this. No superior, competing reading of what President Obama allegedly said is actually going to result in more pressure on conservative Democrats. Success in key legislative fights like health care will be dependent upon our ability to put the Democratic leadership in a position where progressives give them no other choice but to pressure conservative Democrats to accede to popular, progressive demands. If we accomplish that, then whether or not President Obama is teh suck or teh awesome will not matter.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: It Is What Dems Are Forced To Do, Not What They Say, That Matters
For example, back in 2007, when asked about Fire Dog Lake and Open Left pushing against Bush Dogs, DCCC chair Chris Van Hollen said pretty much the same thing that President Obama supposedly said:

"Would you put a bit of money and effort to go after these wayward Democrats?" writes blogger Matt Stoller on Open Left. "We can't replace all of them with progressive Democrats, but we can certainly annoy at least a few of them and raise the costs for voting against the Constitution."

That would be liking shooting themselves in the foot, U.S. Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, told us recently when asked about such groups upset with lawmakers like Carney.

So the Democratic congressional leadership doesn't like progressive activists and organizations attacking conservative Democrats. BFD. Here is the Democratic leadership in response to the Progressive Block strategy:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the Huffington Post Thursday that a health care overhaul that did not include a public option wouldn't make it through the House because it "wouldn't have the votes."(...)

Asked by HuffPost if she would allow a reform package without a public option out of the House, she responded: "It's not a question of allow. It wouldn't have the votes."

The House Democratic leadership apparently didn't like our attacks on conservative Democrats, either. However, they are still going to have no choice but put pressure on conservative Democrats anyway. Otherwise, they won't get a health care reform bill, and that is politically untenable for them.

Bottom line: it doesn't matter what the Democratic leadership in Congress or the White House says about our attacks on conservative Democrats. If we hold a Progressive Block on something they dearly value, then they have no other choice but to put pressure on conservative Democrats. So, stop worrying about, and / or arguing about, what the leadership says. Join the effort to build the Progressive Block instead.


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As Greenwald has written about extensively (4.00 / 2)
When diehard Obama supporters heap praise on him whenever he does something that makes no sense from a progressive perspective, as yet another clearly brilliant move that we're too stupid or something to comprehend, it sounds EXACTLY like the same sort of baseless idiocy that diehard Bush supporters said about President Chimpy's every "brilliant" move that made no sense (or, as Cheney liked to put it, it was "EXACTLY the right thing to do"). And it sounds like it because it IS like it. There are clueless idiots on both sides of the aisle. More on the other, of course, but our side doesn't lack for them.

In any case, whenever the WH or Dems call for progressives to ease up on the pressure and just go along and not spoil the party, it both comes across as pathetic and cheesy and really really weak, and reinforces the reality that this pressure is having an effect. If it didn't, then they'd just ignore progressives, or laugh it off. They're being defensive, which is good.

Or, maybe, this is just some brilliant Vulcan mind trick intended to get us off balance...

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Obama has everyone off balance nowadays.... (0.00 / 0)
...probably a smart move on his part... he's got everyone scared, so they are coughing up concessions... The hospitals are going to give up $150 billion on Wednesday, and supposedly even the insurers are going to give up $100 which will be announced by Friday...

If he drew a line in the sand now, he'd lose a lot of leverage...

The problem is, we don't know who to trust in this debate...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
Maybe (4.00 / 1)
But I see him trying to be too clever and play beyond his experience level, and it could backfire. These special interests have been doing this for years and he's not as experienced as they are in complex and high-stakes negotiations. He can be played, and I'm afraid that that's what will happen here.

I totally and utterly reject the "He's brilliant beyond imagination" explanation. I think that he's in uncharted territory (for him) and is faking it more than he's making it. I don't care how naturally intelligent one is, and how good of an education one has. To be good at what he's doing, one needs years of experience at that level, and he doesn't have it.

He might THINK that he's got what it takes to fake everyone out, but that doesn't mean that he does. So I'm wary about all these maneuvers and messages. They might think that they've got it all figured out, but such overconfidence could spell disaster if they're not careful.

In any case, we have to keep the pressure up, and not put our hopes in Obama's both knowing what he's doing AND secretly scheming for the best possible progressive outcome via magical pony 11D chess. I don't believe in either. If this has a good outcome, it will require massive outside progressive pressure, not betting on Obama.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]
Greenwald's Wrong! (0.00 / 0)
When diehard Obama supporters heap praise on him whenever he does something that makes no sense from a progressive perspective, as yet another clearly brilliant move that we're too stupid or something to comprehend, it sounds EXACTLY like the same sort of baseless idiocy that diehard Bush supporters said about President Chimpy's every "brilliant" move that made no sense

It doesn't sound EXACTLY the same as when Bush supporters praised his brilliance.

It sounds worse.

After all, their side has a centuries-long history of disparaging thinking.

We don't.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
These "supporters" are not progressives (0.00 / 0)
They're newcomers to politics, and before Obama came along, they were probably disengaged from it. Their position on the issues is "Whatever Obama's for".

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

[ Parent ]
Gandhi (0.00 / 0)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Applying this premise to the progressive blogosphere is something like this:

First they ignore you: up to 2002
Then they laugh at you: up to 2004
Then they fight you: up to 2006 and still some remnants
Then you win: 2008-09


I'm not sure if we've really "won" yet (4.00 / 1)
or if we will by the end of this year.  Cap-and-trade and stimulus got watered down and we might not win on the public option fight.  Not to mention that public option was a step down from Medicare for All to begin with.

[ Parent ]
we'll see (0.00 / 0)
when almost every single Dem. candidate for President showed up for Netroots Nation that was a big sign the "fighting" stage was almost over.

[ Parent ]
If THIS Is Winning... (0.00 / 0)
Then I think we're playing the WRONG game.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Two Dimensional Chess (4.00 / 1)
Personally, I have no trouble believing Obama thinks he needs Landrieu to think he is on her side, but also thinks the pressure is useful.  That only requires the very smallest amount of political thinking; all that is required is to believe Landrieu is small enough to support a filibuster out of spite.  Who here doesn't believe that?

But as you say, it doesn't matter.  Whether Obama secretly likes the pressure or not, we need to keep the pressure up.


Power Consists In Getting Things Done (0.00 / 0)
What a concept!

The difficulty involved in grasping this simple truth is indicative of just why it's been so hard for Dems & progressives to grasp what it means & respond to the fact that the conservatives have been involved in hegemonic warfare for the last 30+ years.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Give Paul some more Wheaties! (0.00 / 0)
/s

In re the post, Thanks Chris.. needed to be said. And i would add that the Senate is ground zero! We must attack the right flank Dems with all our might.. and stay in attack mode until the last health vote is made this year.

I cannot express how thrilled i am to see various folks make commercials, giving progressives the opportunity to contribute to their air time... against the likes of Landreiu and Lincoln (also Pryor and Vitter and blue dog districts ta boot) in the South. We must attack.. and take back ground in the south. Simple messaging, populism, and above all common sense progressive messaging can pay off for everyone, now and over the long haul.







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