Dem Leadership Will Not Voluntarily Pressure Conservative Dems

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:00


As an addendum to last night's discussion on forcing the Democratic leadership to pressure conservative Democrats, it feels necessary to make the case that the Democratic leadership in both Congress and the White House will not voluntarily pressure conservative Democrats. The entire Democratic Party system is rigged to be gentle toward conservative Democrats. If any pressure comes from the leadership, we are going to have to force them to do it.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Dem Leadership Will Not Voluntarily Pressure Conservative Dems
Democrats have spent over twenty years devising a party system that caters to conservative Democrats at all costs. They can endorse whoever they want for President. They get ten times the media coverage of Progressives. They get more money. They can hold up and water down whatever legislation they want. They get more meetings with the leadership. They don't have to pay party dues. They are more likely to get cabinet appointments.

Further, the entire Democratic leadership came into power while this system was being built up, and is entirely complicit in its continued existence. Further, they are convinced it is this strategy is the main reason why they have the trifecta in D.C. right now. For example, Rahm Emanuel, one of the more extreme practitioners of this strategy, is widely credited with helping Democrats regain power in 2006. He was duly rewarded for this by becoming White House Chief of Staff. Another great example came during the climate change fight, when Speaker Pelosi couldn't stop praising Collin Peterson even as Peterson threatened to blow up the entire bill. President Obama then piled on with even more praise of Peterson.

You aren't going to get the leadership to change course by telling them to starting knocking some heads together, ala Bill Press or Michael Tomasky. Virtually the entire progressive blogosphere has spent six years writing those articles, and it hasn't done a damn thing to change the "coddle the conservatives" strategy that determines virtually everything that all members of the Democratic leadership do.

Yet further, it is clearly not President Obama's style to get aggressive in public, or private, with members of his own party (especially conservative members). His administration is taking a congressionalist, relatively hands-off approach to legislative battles. He also ran on a platform of bipartisanship, giving everyone a seat at the table, and general co-operation. To act in a more aggressive fashion is incompatible with his public persona. Even if the persona is some kind of mirage, and the centrist bent of his cabinet appointments strongly suggest that it is not, if he had run on a more aggressive, populist, anti-corporate strategy, then he might not even have won at all. He certainly would not have received such favorable media coverage relative to McCain.

Long story short: under its current leaders, the Democratic Party leadership is not just going to change course after twenty-five years and start attacking conservative Democrats. They are never going to voluntarily join us. Instead, it is time to force the leadership's hand with a direct effort to deny them something they want very badly unless they give us something that they want very badly. In the case of health care reform, that means denying them health care legislation unless they give us a public option in that legislation. Fire Dog Lake runs down the strategy, and how you can get involved.


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Well Chris, (0.00 / 0)
my plan can be found in quick hits or here,http://workingsmart.weebly.com/, or to get diggs, here,  http://digg.com/d1vwzt  This is one plan, and it has flaws but I believe in the basic framework.  As far as public option or nothing, I agree with you, as without a public option we basically get nothing.  They want credit for the reform but do not want the reform to upset their lobbyist buddies.  Band aid subsidies just run up more debt and do nothing to solve the underlying problems.  The problem the party has in my opinion is why at this point should I really believe I am better off with a Landrieu than a Crist?  I do not vote Republican but you get my point?  The brand has to mean something.  Even Holiday Inn finally realized that, and that is why they are remodeling.  It is time for Democrats to do the same.

Yeah, well.... (4.00 / 4)
What are we gonna do, shoot 'em? I'm speaking here as a Democratic precinct committeeperson and state rep. from CD-1 in AZ, Rick Renzi's old district. When he got indicted, and we really had a shot at taking the seat, we were overjoyed.

Needless to say, the euphoria was short-lived. We tried to get a true progressive, endorsed by Raul Grijalva, no less, through the 2008 primaries, and were buried by Janet Napolitano's horse trading in Washington, and two million bucks from the DCCC.

Now we've got Ann Kirkpatrick, who was a Republican until nine years ago, and so far has voted against every piece of even mildly progressive legislation which has come to the floor of the House since the beginning of January.

What exactly have we won?

Finally, screw Rahm Emanuel, screw the DCCC, and screw their #%^#$%^ viable candidates. If this be treason, make the most of it.


Been there, done that (4.00 / 1)
Hell, I have done, and will do, whatever it takes. I'm in this for the long haul, and I both respect Chris and take his advice seriously -- yours, too, for that matter.

Sorry for the unbridled rhetoric, in other words, but I'd just gotten confirmation of Kirkpatrick's voting record, and was reviewing all of the arguments I suffered through during the primary:

Them: She's the only viable candidate.

Me: She doesn't know anything about Democratic Party traditions. She's wrong on the issues. She keeps repeating Republican talking points. She is a Republican, fer chrissake. A kinder, gentler one than Renzi, to be sure, but jeez....

Them: She's the only viable candidate, and we don't like your tone.


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Give em hell William -from Oak Creek Canyon! (4.00 / 1)
William is dead right on all points.

But I would like to point out that our spineless "leadership" in Congress did more than pressure the very souls of those Conservative Dems on behalf of their corporate  donors when they voted with Bush on the more abominable policies pushed through the Senate like the WAR, and the Patriot Act II in particular but also including a half a dozen other monnstrosities including the BK Act.

Chuck Schumer, as head of the DSCC and that despicable profiteer Rahm Emanuel bragged repeatedly and publicly how they could use the power of their Committees to push through any policy demanded by those same big donors who went pounding on Pelosis door for their payback when Dean didn't hnad over the nomination to Clinton.

Harry Reid has fallen on his ass and won't get up because his sponsors tell him when to throw the fight.  Period.


Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


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"The entire Democratic Party system is rigged (0.00 / 0)
 to be gentle toward conservative Democrats."

This should not be surprising. The whole system runs on money from wealthy elites. Of course they would design a system that has the superficial appearance of a democracy but that reliably serves their interests.

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To get back to Chris's point. (4.00 / 2)
The drive then must be: to deny them a health bill. Thway to do that, is make sure that Progressives in the House make good on their promise to deny passage of any bill that contains a trigger, and does not contain a public option.

The American people are angry that they spend far too much for coverage that is shockingly, fatally,  far from complete, are being offered legislation that cannot cost less than what is offered now, and will not cover any more than what the Insurance criminals offer now.

This is as close to where we stand with 'moderate' dems. They must be pressured, and then removed. Pressuring the leadership is necessary. I agree with this plan.

To quote from the article Chris linked to:

We've been told that we need to "compromise," because nobody is going to get everything they want. Well, a public plan is the compromise. Single Payer representatives have been shut out of this conversation from the beginning, just to make the insurance industry lobbyists happy.

If the leadership of the Democratic party bows before the conservatives because they know the conservative dems have power, then the only recourse is to have equale power. The leadership will soon realize that promoting and ensuring the electoral success of progressives is more effective that succumbing to the banks, insurance companies and republicans in general. Popular electoral victory comes from listening to the public and meeting their demands.

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"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


Is it moral (4.00 / 1)
to oppose a bill that would significantly expand access to health care on the grounds that it does not include the public option?

The HELP Bill would give coverage to roughly 30 million people who do not have it currently.  Make no mistake, that extension would save lives.  Given this fact, any opposition in my view must first explain why it is preferable that 30 million should go without insurance.  

I don't know what the right thing to do is: but before we oppose the final bill we need to make damn sure we have answer to those who would have received health care but will not because of our opposition.      


If those are the choices, (0.00 / 0)
you have a point, but we shouldn't be indifferent to the fact that you're making it as part of  an art-of-the-possible argument in a context in which what's possible is constrained by an awfully lopsided balance of power.

That lopsided balance must also be addressed, or in the end we'll all be art-of-the-possibled to death. Literally....


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Here is why I think the question is important (0.00 / 0)
if we can't answer it or take the question seriously, others will know we are just bluffing.

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That's sort of the point (0.00 / 0)
Oppose the final bill if it is inadequate so that others know we aren't just bluffing for the next time.  

If you aren't willing to play hardball, then coddling becomes the best strategy.  I actually think that is the problem with the Democratic leadership.  They are too soft-hearted to put people at risk in a case like this and so are much too willing to accept what looks like a partial victory at the price of closing off the possibility of a full victory.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


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That's supposed to be the implied threat (0.00 / 0)
Taking a firm stand on a public option means threatening those 30 million people and hoping that moves some people to the left.  Failing to carry out that threat is the ultimate sign of weakness and means that progressives aren't worth listening to, either now or in the future.  The entire credibility of the progressive movement is being staked on this one issue and it bodes ill for the left if there is a lack of willpower to play those sorts of high stakes games with lives.  This is the sort of power politics that shouldn't be employed on a daily basis, but which should be a nuclear option that is firmly on the table on the very-most important issues.  

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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Why are we beating around the you-know-what about the "leadership"? (4.00 / 1)
Those who coddle right-wing Democrats cannot seriously or truly be called left-wing.  The leaders of the Democratic Party are themselves very conservative; they will not disturb the status quo that has worked so well for them.  Until we acknowledge that Democratic leaders, up to and including Obama, are about as right-wing as the GOP (just more subtle about it, or so they think) we will not be able to organize the left against them.  The left is afraid to fight what it perceives to be its own, lest disunity lead to collapse.  Let us therefore abandon the notion that Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, and so on are anything but right-wingers coddling their own at the expense of genuine left-wingers.



Progressives seem to want to fight (0.00 / 0)
without knowing who their enemies are.  Little wonder they get their asses kicked every time.

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Which is why we have to be able to identify the enemy. (0.00 / 0)
Let's all be aware of what Pelosi, Hoyer, Emanuel, Reid, and others have spent their political careers doing: bending over backward to appease the far right, at the expense of everyone else.  That goes for both the Republicans in the GOP and the Republicans in the Democratic Party.



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The fear is that Conservative Dems will become Republicans (0.00 / 0)
Not just the conservative Democrats in Congress, but the probably 20% or so of self-identified Democrats in the electorate who consider themselves conservatives.  There's a fear of 1980 and 1994, that going to far to the left will create mass defections, and conservative Democrats are the most likely defectors, so the logic that the leadership uses is that they have to offer centrist and conservatives Democrats enough incentives to vote for center-left compromises rather than center-right.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

Is that scary? (0.00 / 0)
Might those "defections" be compensated by those on the left end of the political spectrum who currently do not vote, or do not vote for Democrats, precisely because the "liberal" party so often caves in to the centrists and conservatives?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I tend to think (4.00 / 1)
That people in these parts overestimate the number of disaffected liberals who will come out of the woodwork if politicians on the left would but show some spine.  It's like the left-wing version of Tea Party fever.

On the other hand, I think that there are times when the left should be willing to make a stand on principle that leaves us in the minority, even if it gives conservatives the room to do terrible things.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


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Would anyone even notice the difference? (0.00 / 0)
If Obama was a Republican would anyone notice the difference?

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Yes (0.00 / 0)
I'll give you one example.  If Obama was a Republican, Justice Souter would be replaced by someone like Roberts or Alito.  I think that would be a clear difference from Sotomayor and would have the left hopping and screaming because the threat of overturning Roe v Wade will get more of a reaction than health care or climate change.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

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Hell, conservative Republicans became conservative Democrats. (0.00 / 0)
Specter is only the most recent example.  He's only slightly less extreme than his former political party, and he has not and will not change his ideology just because he changed parties.  This sort of thing has been going on for decades now.  As Bill Maher pointed out, "Democrats have moved to the right, and the right has moved into a mental hospital."  So it seems that no matter which major political party right-wingers are members of, we're going to be screwed over by these depraved beasts.  So let them have their temper tantrums.  Let them go over to the GOP officially, as opposed to pretending to be Democrats.  We don't and shouldn't want them in the party anyway.



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Thanks for this, Chris (0.00 / 0)
As he mentioned, FDL is whipping progressive members here:

http://campaignsilo.firedoglak...

http://action.firedoglake.com/...

The quad-caucus -- Progressive, Black Caucus, Hispanic Caucus, and Asian Pacific Caucus -- have all pledged en masse to oppose any final bill that lacks a strong public option, but that commitment doesn't mean much if it's not taken seriously by the Senate and by the House leadership.  The think they can roll the progressives, and not without reason.  

Hence the campaign to get them on as individuals.  It's been slower than we'd like; most progressives will joyously shout their support for a public option, but balk at drawing a firm line.  They want to "maintain flexibility", so that when push comes to shove, they can cave.

Donna Edwards, in particular, has been non-responsive.  Anybody who's followed Donna over the years would, I suspect, expect her to be a leader on this issue, yet she's been silent. Her office number is 202-225-8699.  


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