Oh Shoot! Green Shoots Are Dead!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jul 11, 2009 at 19:15


Two weeks ago, I wrote a diary, "The Recovery Myth", warning about the risks of ignoring longer-term economic prospects for short term upticks.  This diary continues that theme (and is fully in tune with Mike's recent diary, "We Need a Jobs Package, Not a Stimulus Package").

A rising tide of voices are warning that optimism over a coming recovery--the promise of "green shoots"--is looking increasingly questionable. Typical of these are Dean Baker's "The Green Shoots Are Dead", hence my diary title.  The subhead to his article explains:

The latest jobless figures show America's economy is stuck in the doldrums. The US urgently needs a new stimulus injection

Krugman argues along similar lines in his July 9 column, "The Stimulus Trap"

As soon as the Obama administration-in-waiting announced its stimulus plan - this was before Inauguration Day - some of us worried that the plan would prove inadequate. And we also worried that it might be hard, as a political matter, to come back for another round.

Unfortunately, those worries have proved justified. The bad employment report for June made it clear that the stimulus was, indeed, too small. But it also damaged the credibility of the administration's economic stewardship. There's now a real risk that President Obama will find himself caught in a political-economic trap.

But Robert Reich is even more pessimistic, as noted by William Timberman in Quick hits.  Reich writes:

When Will The Recovery Begin? Never.

The so-called "green shoots" of recovery are turning brown in the scorching summer sun. In fact, the whole debate about when and how a recovery will begin is wrongly framed....

In a recession this deep, recovery doesn't depend on investors. It depends on consumers who, after all, are 70 percent of the U.S. economy. And this time consumers got really whacked. Until consumers start spending again, you can forget any recovery....

This economy can't get back on track because the track we were on for years -- featuring flat or declining median wages, mounting consumer debt, and widening insecurity, not to mention increasing carbon in the atmosphere -- simply cannot be sustained.

Meanwhile, Bonddad is on a counter-contrarian kick at DKos, writing "The Economic Free Fall is Over", which I believe is instructively mistaken.  It's true in one sense, but it misses  the point in a larger one (after all, FDR reversed the downward plunge of the GDP within his first two years, but unemployment remained crushing until WWII came along).  More on all of these viewpoints--and more viewpoints as well--on the flip.

Paul Rosenberg :: Oh Shoot! Green Shoots Are Dead!
Let's start with Baker:

The June US employment report should convince even the determinedly ignorant that the time has come for another round of stimulus for the American economy. The economy is continuing to shed jobs and work hours at a very rapid pace. The unemployment rate is virtually certain to cross 10% by the end of the summer and will likely hit 11% before we are very far into 2010. This is a scenario much worse than the Obama administration had expected when it crafted its stimulus package. It is time for it to adjust its plans accordingly.

When the Obama administration put together its stimulus package in January, it was projecting that, in the absence of any stimulus, the unemployment rate would peak at just over 9% early in 2010. With the unemployment rate reaching 9.5% in June, they clearly underestimated the size of the downdraft hitting the US economy.

The June data showed the economy shedding 465,000 jobs - but even more striking was the fact that hours worked fell by 0.8%. This rate of decline in hours worked is the same as in the period of economic free fall from October to April. It's good that employers cut back hours per worker, rather than lay people off, but it still means that the demand for labour is plummeting. If hours per worker did not change, this would be equivalent to a loss of more than 900,000 jobs in June.

There was a fairly broad consensus of economists who thought the stimulus was far too small, and now it seems clear that they were right.  Beyond that, everyone who actually understood the basics of economic multipliers realized that tax cuts were far less effective, overall, than government spending.  Furthermore, cuts in government spending at the state and local levels were commonly understood to be counter-stimulative, directly undermining the federal stimulus spending, so that every dollar that didn't go to making state budgets whole was a dollar lost in the overall stimulus effort.

So with all three of those factors considered, it was strikingly obvious that Obama's original proposal wasn't up to the job, and that the "centrist" Senator's gutting only made matters much, much worse.  This was all clearly foreseeable, and, indeed, I wrote about all of these factors, as did others here at Open Left and elsewhere.

While Krugman is widely seen as a particularly prominent critic of Obama, his column once again proves this perception mistaken, to anyone who reads carefully.  Instead of focusing on criticizing him for failing to recognize the above three points, the heart of Krugman's column revolves around a parallel that gets Obama off the hook: in normal recessions, Krugman argues, the remedy is for the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates a little at a time, until it's done enough to solve the problem.  And Obama's approach with stimulus spending--necessary since the Fed has cut rates as far as it can go--should be seen in the same light.  Here's Krugman in his own words:

When there's an ordinary, garden-variety recession, the job of fighting that recession is assigned to the Federal Reserve. The Fed responds by cutting interest rates in an incremental fashion. Reducing rates a bit at a time, it keeps cutting until the economy turns around. At times it pauses to assess the effects of its work; if the economy is still weak, the cutting resumes.

During the last recession, the Fed repeatedly cut rates as the slump deepened - 11 times over the course of 2001. Then, amid early signs of recovery, it paused, giving the rate cuts time to work. When it became clear that the economy still wasn't growing fast enough to create jobs, more rate cuts followed.

Normally, then, we expect policy makers to respond to bad job numbers with a combination of patience and resolve. They should give existing policies time to work, but they should also consider making those policies stronger.

And that's what the Obama administration should be doing right now with its fiscal stimulus. (It's important to remember that the stimulus was necessary because the Fed, having cut rates all the way to zero, has run out of ammunition to fight this slump.) That is, policy makers should stay calm in the face of disappointing early results, recognizing that the plan will take time to deliver its full benefit. But they should also be prepared to add to the stimulus now that it's clear that the first round wasn't big enough.

Unfortunately, the politics of fiscal policy are very different from the politics of monetary policy. For the past 30 years, we've been told that government spending is bad, and conservative opposition to fiscal stimulus (which might make people think better of government) has been bitter and unrelenting even in the face of the worst slump since the Great Depression. Predictably, then, Republicans - and some Democrats - have treated any bad news as evidence of failure, rather than as a reason to make the policy stronger.

Hence the danger that the Obama administration will find itself caught in a political-economic trap, in which the very weakness of the economy undermines the administration's ability to respond effectively.

This is actually Krugman bending over backwards so far that he's standing on his head, since (1) As Krugman himself essentially admits, it was always quite obvious that neither the Republicans nor Versailles in general was going to see both forms of recession-fighting in equivalent terms. (2) interest rate cuts have a much more immediate economic impact than stimulus packages that take months before their impacts start being deeply felt, and years before their impacts are spent.  (3) There's much less of an economic downside from a too-large stimulus than from a two-small.  A too-large stimulus may run up more debt, but the faster recovery helps pay it off faster, wherease a too-small stimulus leaves you mired in deficits far longer than need be, while the full range of human suffering continues far longer than necessary.

Thus, Krguman is working quite hard to go easy on Obama, while still encouraging him to finally get things at least within the ballpark of being right:

As I said, I was afraid this would happen. But that's water under the bridge. The question is what the president and his economic team should do now.

It's perfectly O.K. for the administration to defend what it's done so far. It's fine to have Vice President Joseph Biden touring the country, highlighting the many good things the stimulus money is doing.

It's also reasonable for administration economists to call for patience, and point out, correctly, that the stimulus was never expected to have its full impact this summer, or even this year.

But there's a difference between defending what you've done so far and being defensive. It was disturbing when President Obama walked back Mr. Biden's admission that the administration "misread" the economy, declaring that "there's nothing we would have done differently." There was a whiff of the Bush infallibility complex in that remark, a hint that the current administration might share some of its predecessor's inability to admit mistakes. And that's an attitude neither Mr. Obama nor the country can afford.

What Mr. Obama needs to do is level with the American people. He needs to admit that he may not have done enough on the first try. He needs to remind the country that he's trying to steer the country through a severe economic storm, and that some course adjustments - including, quite possibly, another round of stimulus - may be necessary.

What he needs, in short, is to do for economic policy what he's already done for race relations and foreign policy - talk to Americans like adults.

But Reich seems to have a much better fix on the degree of difficulty of the fix that we're in.  There are, he explains, two sorts of theory about what a recovery should look like:

In fact, the whole debate about when and how a recovery will begin is wrongly framed. On one side are the V-shapers who look back at prior recessions and conclude that the faster an economy drops, the faster it gets back on track. And because this economy fell off a cliff late last fall, they expect it to roar to life early next year. Hence the V shape.

Unfortunately, V-shapers are looking back at the wrong recessions. Focus on those that started with the bursting of a giant speculative bubble and you see slow recoveries. The reason is asset values at bottom are so low that investor confidence returns only gradually.

That's where the more sober U-shapers come in. They predict a more gradual recovery, as investors slowly tiptoe back into the market.

And both of these are mistaken:

Personally, I don't buy into either camp. In a recession this deep, recovery doesn't depend on investors. It depends on consumers who, after all, are 70 percent of the U.S. economy. And this time consumers got really whacked. Until consumers start spending again, you can forget any recovery, V or U shaped.

Problem is, consumers won't start spending until they have money in their pockets and feel reasonably secure. But they don't have the money, and it's hard to see where it will come from. They can't borrow. Their homes are worth a fraction of what they were before, so say goodbye to home equity loans and refinancings. One out of ten home owners is under water -- owing more on their homes than their homes are worth. Unemployment continues to rise, and number of hours at work continues to drop. Those who can are saving. Those who can't are hunkering down, as they must.

Eventually consumers will replace cars and appliances and other stuff that wears out, but a recovery can't be built on replacements. Don't expect businesses to invest much more without lots of consumers hankering after lots of new stuff. And don't rely on exports. The global economy is contracting.

Reich is one of the relative few who's got the courage to squarely face how bad things look:

My prediction, then? Not a V, not a U. But an X. This economy can't get back on track because the track we were on for years -- featuring flat or declining median wages, mounting consumer debt, and widening insecurity, not to mention increasing carbon in the atmosphere -- simply cannot be sustained.

This, of course, is heresy--directly rejecting Reaganomics--which is tantamount to saying "the Emperor has no clothes".  It's precisely Obama's inability to say this that lies at the root of all his problems on the economic front.

The X marks a brand new track -- a new economy. What will it look like? Nobody knows. All we know is the current economy can't "recover" because it can't go back to where it was before the crash. So instead of asking when the recovery will start, we should be asking when and how the new economy will begin.

There's two statements from last year that are useful triangulation points for what Reich is saying, both of which occurred on Bill Moyers, and both of which I've commented on before.  First, before the meltdown went into run-away more, Ross Douthat tried to paint the precipitous loss of workers' economic security as no biggie:

BILL MOYERS: But here's let's get to the big issue in your book. The subtitle of your book is "How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream" because my great concern is that ordinary working people in this country are having a real trouble making a living wage.

The paucity of jobs that pay living wages is, I think, the great moral as well as economic crisis in America today. And neither party has fully addressed that. Conservatives won under Nixon with the silent majority. Reagan won with the-

ROSS DOUTHAT: Reagan Democrats.

BILL MOYERS: -the working class that came over to the Republican Party. And George Bush won with the angry white man. But I don't see what any of those people have gotten from the conservative revolution because they're worse off today in real wages, adjusted for inflation, than they were 30 years ago when you came to power.

ROSS DOUTHAT: I'll push back on that argument a little bit. I think there are a lot of ways in which the working class is better off than they were in that era. I think if just looking at wages is misleading because one of the things that's happened thanks to free trade, thanks to policies that Republicans have championed, is prices, the cost of living, has fallen dramatically across the board for Americans.

If you look at the goods the poor and the working class buy versus the goods the rich buy, the goods that the poor and working class buy today are vastly cheaper than they used to be.

BILL MOYERS: You're not saying that workers face wage stagnation?

ROSS DOUTHAT: No, workers do face wage stagnation. But those wages do, in fact, buy more goods than they used to buy. There are ways in which the working class is better off. But, yes, on the big picture, I agree with you.

But Republicans need a tax policy that helps people investing in America's future in another way: People struggling to raise families. So we talk a lot about making the tax code more family friendly, making it easier for people to have two kids, to have three kids, to put those kids through school.

The idea that working class Americans were better off without their union jobs, pensions, job security, etc. was laughable at the time.  Now, one year later, not so much.  It's just too damn painful to be laughing now.

Then there was George Soros:

BILL MOYERS: So let's think about those people down at Neely's Barbecue going home tonight having heard you. What they've heard you say is the system is really disfunctioning right now. It's out of control. Nobody's in charge. They've heard you express your own worry that in the next three months it could get much, much worse.

And they've heard you say that you don't see much good news immediately on the horizon. So let's leave them something to think about as they go home. Let them go home and say, "Mr. Soros said here are three things we can do, simply." One?

GEORGE SOROS: Well, deal with the mortgage problem. Reduce foreclosures. Recapitalize the banks. And then work on a better world order where we work together to resolve problems that confront humanity like global warming. And I think that dealing with global warming will require a lot of investment.

You see, for the last 25 years the world economy, the motor of the world economy that has been driving it was consumption by the American consumer who has been spending more than he has been saving, all right? Than he's been producing. So that motor is now switched off. It's finished. It's run out of - can't continue. You need a new motor. And we have a big problem. Global warming. It requires big investment. And that could be the motor of the world economy in the years to come.

BILL MOYERS: Putting more money in, building infrastructure, converting to green technology.

GEORGE SOROS: Instead of consuming, building an electricity grid, saving on energy, rewiring the houses, adjusting your lifestyle where energy has got to cost more until it you introduce those new things. So it will be painful. But at least we will survive and not cook.

BILL MOYERS: You're talking about this being the end of an era and needing to create a whole new paradigm for the economic model of the country, of the world, right?

GEORGE SOROS: Yes.

What Soros was saying then was so perfectly sane, that only a fool would ignore him.  And the Democrats have conclusively proven that they are a part of fools--at least at the highest levels.  Instead of embracing change at the optimal moment, when the pain of present gave us the strongest tail wind we might ever wish for, the Democrats instead hunkered down, and embraced the smoking ruins of nearly 30 years of Reaganomics.  And they're still holding on for dear life.

But what about Bonddad?  What about his claim that things are looking up?

Well, some of his data purports to tell us that things have been getting better for months and months now:

and

Doers that feel right to you?

Some says that things have stabilized--but at what level?

and

Yes, Bonddad is right at one level: there are numerous indicators telling us that things have stopped getting horribly worse.  But there were similar indications in 1937, which caused FDR to cut back on spending, chasing his dream of a balanced budget, which the economics of the past told him was the key to everything else.  And that's when he brought on the Recession of 1937/38.  I'm not saying the exact same thing will happen now.  But even if that had not happened, the US was very, very far from being out of the woods at that point.  The GDP recovered by 1936, but unemployment would not recover until well into World War II.  It was only when another imperative--one that even Repbulicans recognized and responded to--that we were finally able to fully lift the country our of the Great Depression.

I'm not saying we're in another Great Depression.  But when you look at the levels of unemployment and under-employment, and you look at how long we can expect them to continue, and when you look at the reasons why--as Reich explains--we have no reason to believe that merely restoring things to how they were will get us back on track, then it really doesn't matter that we're not in another Great Depression.  We're in another painful economic turning point, with no idea of how to get out of it--at least, no idea that our political masters are willing to consider.

And isn't that bad enough, whatever we want to call it?


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Yeah, I was wondering "WTF?" with Bondad this week (0.00 / 0)
I thought we had built a little "consciousness" momentum with Mike Lux's posts reminding everybody not to let the Pols, Big Media, and Versailles off the hook regarding jobs. And then I saw that. It's like one step forward, two steps back.

Do you think we get any momentum with, "It's about jobs, stupid!"?


Length (0.00 / 0)
Most recessions do indeed last around two years.  The deeper the recession/depression, however, the longer it lasts.

One thing that makes this particularly hard to compare to past recessions is that Ronald Reagan jimmied the national statistics starting in 1986.  If you look for 9.5% unemployment since 1986, this is it.  The worst.  If you look for a number like that in the past , this looks bad but not catastrophic.  After all, in 1981-82, we had 10 straight months where unemployment toipped 10%.  Unfortunately, real unemployment now is nowhere near 10%, it is around 16.8% (U-6).  This looks like a really bad downturn.

The three previous such downturns were the Panic of 1837, the Panic of 1893, and the Great Depression.  The Great Depression was easily the worst and not likely to be a model.  The other two stayed bad for a period of five or six years although the Panic of 1837 had a little up tick in it.

Is this a forever incident.  Almost certainly not.  But this may well last five years rather than two.  If that is the case, after sixteen months of downturn we may well start seeing some progress iwithin a relatively short time frame. That "progress" like progress in the earlier big downturns will not solve the problem.  We have a better inderstanding and a lot more tools than in the earlier cycles.  Obama needs to use them.

Yes, part of that probably means junking the bipartisan baloney and demonizing W/Reagan/Milton Friedman style economics.  W like Hoover should be an anvil to Republicans that will allow drastic change to occur.

Thank God we have some of the reforms of FDR and LBJ (the ones Reagan and W could not kill): Social Security, minimum wage, bank regulation, SSDI, Medicare, an infrastructure (although not maintained by the tax cutters).  Without these reforms, spending would be dead in the water.  

Kill the political present of the Blue Dogs.  They are a major bar.  FDR gave in ion the 30s after substantial improvement and reform.  We have the example not to give in yet pretty much immediately as a sop to the inadequate stimulus, Obama said he would rein in spending within two years.  That is both bad politics and bad policy.  


I Pretty Much Agree With Most Of What You Say (4.00 / 1)
But I do think this could be more difficult to work out of than you think, for a variety of reasons which may interfere with past comparisons.

First is that the 19th Century panics happened within the general framework of worldwide growth and expansion.  However bad it got a period of years, it was inevitable that another round of economic growth and expansion would come, sooner or later, driven both by European competition from without and by our own internal dynamics, with vast resources severely under-utilized.

We are no longer so fortunately situated, I fear.  We could collapse the way that Spain, Holland and Britain each collapsed in turn, once their period of world dominance passed.  Only it could be worse (we needed Britain after WWII, and certainly helped them recover in some ways, while sticking the knife in in others). This could conceivably last a generation or more, particularly if we see ongoing warfare between different failed ideologies.

The second reason is that special interests are far more powerful, concentrated, and relatively insulated from the common good--as is so clearly being demonstrated by the banksters, health insurance cartels, and fossil fuel giants.

The third--closely connected--reason is the crushing costs involved in continuing as we are--the ever-growing share of GDP gobbled up by the "health" industry and the financial sector, for example, the price of global warming, one way or another, etc.

There's also the whole burdens of empire thing.  We had a miniscule military back during the 19th Century panics--and not much larger in 1933.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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yes,no,maybe? (4.00 / 2)
obama said today we dont need another simulus. eh said things are improving. biden said last week the admin misjudged the downturn levels. tyson said the other, who works for the admin, we need another. confusing signals. but dont tell me things are getting better when i just had to apply for food stamps. we face major 2010 perils if this keeps up

A Sustainable Recovery of the Real Economy Is Entirely Possible (4.00 / 1)
but not with plutocrats controlling the government. We have to replace them with authentic progressives.

As I wrote in my diary today, entitled The Emerging Progressive Majority Must Get Immediate Control of Government If There Is to Be a Sustainable Recovery of the Real Economy,

A sustainable recovery will build a real economy from the "ground up" rather than the "top down". It will leverage the grassroots wealth-creating capacities of all local communities working in partnership with the public and private sectors to produce the locally-owned businesses and jobs with living wages that American workers and the economy need in order to survive and flourish — businesses and jobs that will not be outsourced.

I highly recommend to anyone interested in rebuilding the real economy from the ground up, the website, Community-Wealth.org. It will connect you to anything you might not already know about building local wealth in the community where you live. One thing you will want to do, of course, is to make sure you do business only with real banks that been solvent, trustworthy and in busy long enough to know how remain out of the clutches of the Wall Street gangsters who caused the subprime mortgage meltdown and other calamities.

Per an earlier comment I posted on Open Left,

It's getting clearer every day that Congress and the White House are going to continue shafting the American people and whittling away the job base with their trickle down policies favoring big corporations and big banks.

It's also getting clearer every day that we're going to have to rebuild the economy from the bottom up using our own resources and entrepreneurial ingenuity.

A blueprint for how we can do this has been provided by Harvard economist David Korten and Sarah van Gelder, executive editor of Yes! Magazine, which Korten founded.

Here are a couple of links to their work:
Sarah van Gelder, The New Economy Won't Be Like the Last One, YES! Magazine and Common Dreams, June 25, 2009.

In it, she writes:

The new economy is built on new forms of money, and on democratic finance and business. In the summer 2009 issue of YES!, we report on worker-owned cooperatives that distribute the benefits of hard work to employee-owners who call the shots in democratic workplaces. These co-ops spend locally and are rooted locally, so they are long-term boons to their local economies. And they don't close down in favor of sweat shops in low-wage regions.

In the new economy, credit is provided through local banks rooted in the communities they serve. Credit unions, community development banks, and other democratic institutions also serve, rather than cannibalize, the real economy.

I also recommend the following two articles by David Korten:

Don't Fix Wall Street, Replace It: Why not an economy of real wealth?, Yes! Magazine and Common Dreams, February 13, 2009.

Why This Crisis May Be Our Best Chance to Build a New Economy, YES! Magazine and Common Dreams, June 6, 2009.



Interesting (0.00 / 0)
Points of similarity, sure.  However, Holland and Spain were linked.  Holland, a small country, lost its supremacy while spending too much to fight off Spain.  Spain and the Hapsburgs spent ther fruits of empire and more on European supremacy.  These countries may have had choices but in the history books, those choices are made.

What choices, in fact, do we have?  Plenty.  The spear point of imperial over-reach is in Iraq and Afghanistan.  We can leave.  We can leave now.  Not three years from now or two years from now.  Now.  We can start untangling ourselves from the procurement driven military and the contractors.  Now.  The future is partly made but like Scrooge in A Christmas Carol, we can find another path.

Twenty years ago, Japan seemed destined for world supremacy.  It really did not come off.  Our destiny, such as it is, may not come off.  But to stop this we have to start doing things right.  That time, Paul, is now.  The longer we wait and hold back due to Broderism or the Blue Dogs, the less the odds.


Mark Zandi, (0.00 / 0)
who in spite of being McCain's economist, is worthy of respect, is saying that the stimulus is having a positive effect and that we should just relax until the end of the year before leaping to conclusions.

It is wrong to focus on one month's employment figures.  Maybe May's were an outlier on the good side, making June's look particularly bad.   These numbers fluctuate.


You're REALLY Missing The Point Here (0.00 / 0)
It's not the we had one bad month.  It's that one bad month underscores the fact of how bad things really are and were before the one bad month.  It's the banksters who are doing well, and ordinary working Americans who are not.  There are a lot more of the latter than the former.

Zandi is not, to my knowledge, any sort of authority on economic history, and this is very much about a situation that requires a more historical sense in order to assess, since it's like nothing else in recent times.  

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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National wealth building (0.00 / 0)
There are 4 pillars of building a nation's wealth, and we have chosen to emphasize one above all else.

CAPITAL ... Trickle down economics concentrates on increasing capital, that is, wealth concentrated in the hands of the wealthy. In theory the wealthy will
invest in businesses that will produce jobs and widespread prosperity. But wealth can be invested abroad and it can be financialized, that is, ocused obsessively on profit and financial resources. We have financialized our economy at the expense of Labor, the other great pillar of wealth building. The Chinese government has recently emphasized capital, but capital has put a massive amount of fromerly desperate poor to wrk and created a huge middle class. The way the US used to be before globalization, the movement of capital, labor and technology and structural poverty across borders. We have been importing poverty from China as we ship capital and technology there.

LABOR .. More people working, at higher wages. Instead we have more college graduates working, at higher wages, but also burdened by debt. Well paid labor in manufacturing is gone. Labor has been spending, based largely on unsustainable debt. Debt has been used to make up for the shortfall in wages. This debt transfers more wealth to capital. W

GOVERNMENT ... Taxation fiscal policy, government spending. Government used to spend to help out labor. It has been spending to help out capital. we did not need a stimulus program, we needed a jobs program.

TECHNOLOGY ... Knowledge in general, especially knowledge that can be put to use in the economy. We are spending less on education, and getting poor results from what w do spend.

Policies designed to fiscally viable and beneficial to labor are needed. This will never happen as long as Goldman Sachs, and its faithful surrogates, continues to run the Treasury department. Obama is as much a captive of Goldman Sachs as every president since Clinton.


Mistake About Capital (0.00 / 0)
You make a good argument overall, but I beg to differ with regard to productive--as opposed to specultaive capital.

Reaganomics was ushered in partly on the basis of the claim that "confiscatory taxes" were making capital accumulation impossible, resulting in underinvestment that was making America uncompetitive with the Japanese.  (Remember the Japanese?  Three or four bogeymen ago?)

If that was really the problem, then maybe a domestic investment tax credit would have made some sense.  But a massive across-the-boards tax cut?  Not so much.  With all sorts of money sloshing around, one of the most notable things that happened was the explosion of the stock market--which is not an investment in anything other ownership of assets that have already been created.

So, no.  Under Reagan, there's not even a policy of supporting productive capital.  Oh sure, there's more wealth to go into venture capital funds. But that's a pittance compared to all the unproductive money sunk into the stock market.  When it comes to targeted policies, Reaganomics is arguably worse than economic policies that preceded it, so far as capital formation for productive purposes is concerned.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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wealth-capital (0.00 / 0)
Capital is the accumulation of wealth, not the creation of it. Only labor creates wealth. "Behind every structure, every commodity, every machine (and every service) lies the work of skilled hands, the labor of man". Money is only the medium of exchange and is only valuable because someone somewhere will work for it, regardless of which government (or precious metal) backs it. When no one will work for the medium of exchange, the country of issue failes. Our current troubles are the result of the creators of wealth recieving too small of percentage of the wealth they create. I believe the only way foward as a nation is a more equitable distribution of the wealth labor creates, and enforced limits on the share allocated to nonproductive sectors such as finance, insurance, and real estate. We must reestablish the dignaty of work as an honorable goal in itself, or resign ourselves to second world two tiered society.... Lincoln was right!

Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR

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